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Old 06-14-2009, 01:00 PM   #1
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Default God Is an "It"

This is my personal opinion.

It irritates me when I hear references to God with gender.

And I'm going to offer this definition of God: the truth of what there is that matters.

What do you think?

Please, no links or quotations in this thread.

I'm interested in your personal opinion...

Thanks in advance for sharing.
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Old 06-14-2009, 01:04 PM   #2
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Maybe we should say "WE"......
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Old 06-14-2009, 01:10 PM   #3
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Maybe we should say "WE"......
Please make up a hypothetical sentence for this...
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Old 06-14-2009, 03:01 PM   #4
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Maybe we should say "WE"......
I grew up worshipping and praising 'God'. I don't do this anymore. I have painfully come to the conclusion that the very concept of 'God' is highly problematic. I believe in spiritual things. I believe in good and evil. I believe in the highest ethical behavior. I believe in life after life after life. But We the People of Earth should not bow down and worship, praise, and unquestioningly obey anyone...male, female, human, reptilian, grey, it, etc, etc. We the People of Earth should rule ourselves. I think that Jesus tried to tell us this...in a bit of a round about way. The religious people have gotten it wrong...and the atheists have gotten it wrong. I guess I want a secular spirituality which does not involve formal, arbitrary, and ritual religion. I can say more about this...but I'm tired...and I find this difficult to discuss at the moment. For now...see the statement below:
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Old 06-14-2009, 03:11 PM   #5
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I grew up worshipping and praising 'God'. I don't do this anymore. I have painfully come to the conclusion that the very concept of 'God' is highly problematic...
You're giving me an idea... Maybe I'm using the word "God" simply out of habit...

Hmmm... Food for thought.

Thanks for your post!
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Old 06-14-2009, 04:14 PM   #6
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I've heard lots of definitions and descriptions of God. "I Am". "All that Is". "First Source".
"Creator". "Love".

I kind of like "all that is", because if I meditate on God, it always seems to escape description because it encompasses everything there ever was, is, or will be.

So then I couldn't see including "all that matters" in your definition. Because it "all" matters, or it wouldn't be.

One of the things you may be looking at is the strength of polarity here in 3D universe. Everything is necessarily split into the "thing" and it's "opposite". Gender is one such polarity.
Every being has masculine and feminine aspects, and are simply currently favouring one over the other, or exploring one through the context of the other, if you prefer.

I'm coming to understand how utterly extreme the tendency towards polarization is in our reality. It really permeates everything, and is less and less pronounced, the higher the dimensional frequency you vibrate at, until at the frequency of "god", there would be nothing like polarity. Male/female and anything else able to perceived as a split, is simply non existent.

So I don't know if God is an It. More likely, God simply is.

I recently saw an analogy to our relationship to God. It was that God was an enormous diamond, and each of us is simply a facet through which God can be perceived. each of us uniquely different in our perspective, and that all of us "facets" are simply all the various ways in which God can contemplate "itself". This also supposes, that without "us" God would not be "God". Interesting.

Those are my thoughts on this.
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Old 06-14-2009, 04:17 PM   #7
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Very nice comment MyPlanet.

Col. Phil Corso told his son just before he died that god was the intellect. A child who died and was revived said upon passing over he stepped into his mind. Basically one could postulate that God is conscious awareness of an intelligent design that cannot be contained within the human concept but can only be experienced once one is free of ego (which are the prison bars of Cosmic Intelligence). However, mind void of compassion is not god. So perhaps God is an oceanic compassionate cosmic intelligence that is completely aware of all that is, ever was and ever will be.
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Old 06-14-2009, 04:18 PM   #8
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Is God a CONCEPT

i belive so ....

all there is awareness

consiousness ....


i belive so..... ...the word

god always gives me the feeling of seperation

like a being.. a judge i dont belive in it ...

where as everthing is awareness ...

consiousness .....oneness ... i belive in that ...

a living breathing in the now ...complete one...being...
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Old 06-14-2009, 04:48 PM   #9
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God is not him, her, or it. God just is. The Universe Creators like the one that created out local universe (GOD) exist in the 9th dimension and higher. These are dimensions that span the multiverse. At that level yin/yang, male/female is not part of the construct.
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Old 06-14-2009, 04:58 PM   #10
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Organized religion is the isness turned into the business of a luciferian monopoly on monotheism. How's that for a heretical mouthful? I'm so gonna burn!
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Old 06-14-2009, 05:19 PM   #11
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Perhaps God is an "It" and a father and a mother and a son and a holy spirit. Perhaps God is both personal and impersonal.

Humanity has been given lessons about God the father (time of Moses, age of Aries), God the son (age of pisces), perhaps the age we are entering now, the age of Aquarius, we will learn about God the Mother, the Divine Mother.

Perhaps God is both father and mother, Yin and Yang.

Father being the creative intelligence, mother being the loving nurturance. Father being electricity. Mother being magnetism. Father being Alpha, Mother being Omega. Electro Magnetism being the basis of creation.

Perhaps the balance of the father mother is what humanity must master within themselves in order to make it into the golden age.

As above so below, perhaps we have male and female bodies to represent these two aspects of the divine and to learn about, appreciate and master the aspects of the father mother within this dense environment.

That's not to say that as we progress in evolution consciously we will require a humanoid body forever, but at this stage, it is a good learning ground with these bodies.

Perhaps the concept of God out side of us is the real illusion. The God in the clouds ultimately deciding our fates and punishing or rewarding us based on our actions, perhaps that God is a false God and the only real God is the one inside of us.

The Father Mother God that is inside of us. The Divine Loving Intelligence that is inside of us.

And maybe each one of us has both an aspect of the Father and the Divine Mother within us and it is up to us to achieve balance between the two to access our true inner power and divine Selves.

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Old 06-14-2009, 06:28 PM   #12
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…So then I couldn't see including "all that matters" in your definition. Because it "all" matters, or it wouldn't be…
When I was thinking about what I wanted to say as a definition, the words “truth” and then “love” came to my mind. But I didn’t want to say God is two things! So I came up with the lame expression “all that matters.” I was trying to encompass love within truth…

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...So perhaps God is an oceanic compassionate cosmic intelligence that is completely aware of all that is, ever was and ever will be...
I really like this…

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...the word god always gives me the feeling of seperation like a being.. a judge i dont belive in it ...
I can relate to this!

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God is not him, her, or it.
If I'm writing or speaking with someone about God, and I need a pronoun so I don't have to keep saying "God" over and over, what do I do?
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Old 06-14-2009, 06:50 PM   #13
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I'm so gonna burn!
I could be wrong, but I don't think you are.
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Old 06-14-2009, 07:06 PM   #14
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I dont use the word God

i say the

ALL THAT IS .....

this cannot be

made seperate

it is all incompasing


it is the all that is ....
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Old 06-14-2009, 07:18 PM   #15
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I dont use the word God

i say the

ALL THAT IS .....

this cannot be

made seperate

it is all incompasing


it is the all that is ....
Okay, so in a conversation you might say, "All That Is is present in you, me, and everyone, throughout the universe."

I'm asking...
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Old 06-14-2009, 07:54 PM   #16
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Energy as of yet cannot be defined
We dont know what energy is
We can only say what it is not
Not this...Not this...

God is the source of energy

So its useless to try to encompass Him with the intellect
God is beyond the reach of our minds
He cannot be outsmarted

Does consciousness have a gender...??

Everything is basking in Gods Great Consciousness
He is the breath of it all
He is within without beyond

He is he she it and neither of it
Nature is feminine that is why we call God masculine
Males are females with guys clothes

God has no name no form as consciousness is nameless formless
We are little conscious bubbles in Gods Great Consciousness

No need to label God or to try to understand Him
It is an exercise in futility

Worship Him and adore Him or remember Him now and again or give a little thanks when you find the time

He is the sweetest thing with the heart of a thousand mothers
And i mean that literally

...

So many new fancy names for the Great Heart
Well if you continue to call Him God... people will know what you are referring to
And you can name Him It if you want to ...it really doesnt matter

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Old 06-14-2009, 08:21 PM   #17
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Okay, so in a conversation you might say, "All That Is is present in you, me, and everyone, throughout the universe."

I'm asking...

yes you could say it this way indeed Mary

i just say that there is only the all that is ,,,ultimatley

this way it is not a concept ...

and cannot be made into another ...

its a little difficult to fit into the language

as the laguage is dualistic .....

and the all that is is not ...

because it is the all that is ...

it is whole and undevided ....

tho it is having a dualistic expierince of its self ...GODS and GODDESSES...like a play of seperation..that we are now in ..

this is where it starts to go down the rabbit whole ... SO i stop here...

before i go on about magic mystery and science...ect

perhaps others will leave there interpriations ....this is an intersesting thread :

i follow with interest.. i will add tho that its not realy present in you me and the universe ,it is all that ......its not a seperate thing that can be present ...or not present only is ....
IT IS the ALL that is already ...ALL that IS ....water can not be seperated from water ....
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I need a pronoun so I don't have to keep saying "God" over and over, what do I do?
I like to use "the infinite"
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....water can not be seperated from water ....
I like that!
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I like to use "the infinite"
But that's two words...
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Old 06-14-2009, 10:12 PM   #21
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Maybe the word "God" will become obsolete...
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Old 06-14-2009, 11:04 PM   #22
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I usually refer to the "one infinite creator".
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Maybe the word "God" will become obsolete...
It may, but the sound Ah wont. Look at the diffierent names given to the different archetypal representations of god. Budah, Allah, Krishna, Gahd. The frequency of the sound ah is the best definition of god. You want to resonate with the creator then meditate repeating the sound ah ah ah over and over. Your days go from normal to fully sincronistic almost instantly.
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Old 06-14-2009, 11:26 PM   #24
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You can't name the unameable,the idea of seperateness needs an ID.
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Old 06-15-2009, 12:22 AM   #25
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...the sound Ah wont...The frequency of the sound ah is the best definition of god...
I believe I have heard Dr. Len Horowitz talk about this...
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