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Old 02-09-2009, 12:42 PM   #1
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Greetings in peace and wisdom, Ladies and Gentlemen,


I would like to submit to your rational, critical and objective judgement the following assessment.
This is also a call, an appeal for impartial reflection, acknowledgement and action.

Looking forward to your contribution and feed-backs.



Now then.
A wise man once wrote, " Planet Earth and its inhabitants are suffering from diverse ills caused singularly and exclusively by man himself. These already existing ills, however, will continue to proliferate until finally everything completely deteriorates.

The Earth's population is plagued by famines, energy shortages, epidemics, environmental pollution, degeneration, terrorism, dictatorship, anarchism, slavery, excessive increase of waste materials, racial hatred, food shortages, destruction of rain forests, the "greenhouse effect", pollution of lakes, streams and oceans, hatred towards asylum-seekers; radioactive emissions, chemical pollution of water, air, plants, food, human beings and animals.

In spite of many efforts, mankind's problems are not decreasing but, instead, continue to rise steadily in direct proportion to population increases.

Mankind's horrendous ills originate from and exist through overpopulation with its unrelenting, irresponsibly continuing escalation.

The situation dictates that any ill can only be fought and remedied by grasping it by its roots, ripping it out and destroying it: The numbers of terrestrial humankind must be drastically reduced.

The only humane method by which this reduction goal can be achieved, is through stringent birth control regulations that permit married couples, of a predetermined age, to have only a strictly specified number of children."


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A close and objective look reveals indeed that everything is connected:
Shortage of almost all first resources (drinking water, food, oil… other vital items) and the therefrom resulting poverty, inequality, hunger, spiritual stagnation, despair... and subsequently crime, massive immigration, economic migration and ecological refugees, 'hatred towards foreigners', terrorism, wars... not to mention the destruction of the whole environment.

Earth needs to recover; natural resources need also time to renew themselves. We impede both. Alas.

Overpopulation is hence likely to become one of the most important and - perhaps - the most decisive questions and challenges in the coming times for the whole humanity.

We certainly need to break that taboo hanging above the topic of human reproduction, population, resp. overpopulation.

More emphasis must be put on the crucial rol played by overpopulation in the current, terrible state of our global affairs.
We indeed all know that everything needs management; ourselves and our number are not and can not be an exception.
Nothing is endless and all requires rational use, care and maintenance - including earth's resources.
The shortages of clean water, food, minerals and other basic life's items, pollution and the destruction of the environment are nowadays more obvious that never before.
We, Humans, and the ways we go about life, put too much stress on Earth.

We are doomed, unless we drastically change our ways of thinking and doing; our days are counted, unless we truly understand and accept our responsibility, as leading species.

We need a worldwide, democratic - valid for all individuals, social classes and nations - rational, responsible, scientific and rigorously monitored birth control.

Some may say, "multiply yourself" is written in The Book - Genesis 1:22:
God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.".

We shall argue, that also and together reason, common sense are given to us so that we can know, judge and decide when we 'have multiplied enough'.
And again, the Commandment could as well be: "multiply yourself in and with wisdom, reason, knowledge, humaneness..." - besides, if we keep procreating the way we now do, there wouldn't be much animals, fish, trees, "birds left on the earth"!


Interesting and highly encouraging publications and analyses on population are recently hitting the net:

- Baby decisions - adding to the world's woes?
"How responsible is it to have children in a world whose environmental health is already under stress? That's the question Joanna Benn poses this week in the Green Room. On the other hand, she wonders, will a couple more hungry mouths make much difference?"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7759845.stm

- POPULATION: The elephant in the room
"Uncontrolled population growth threatens to undermine efforts to save the planet, warns John Feeney. In this week's Green Room, he calls on the environmental movement to stop running scared of this controversial topic."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7865332.stm

- One last chance to save mankind
"With his 90th birthday in July, a trip into space scheduled for later in the year and a new book out next month, 2009 promises to be an exciting time for James Lovelock. But the originator of the Gaia theory, which describes Earth as a self-regulating planet, has a stark view of the future of humanity. He tells Gaia Vince we have one last chance to save ourselves - and it has nothing to do with nuclear power."
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...rue&print=true


New policy decisions have been taken on this sensitive matter:

- 'Obama reverses Bush abortion-funds policy'
By LIZ SIDOTI and MATTHEW LEE, Associated Press Writers – Fri Jan 23.
"WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama on Friday struck down the Bush administration's ban on giving federal money to international groups that perform abortions or provide abortion information — an inflammatory policy that has bounced in and out of law for the past quarter-century. Obama's executive order, the latest in an aggressive first week reversing contentious Bush policies, was warmly welcomed by liberal groups and denounced by abortion rights foes."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/...a_abortion_ban

- Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi boldly defended a move to add birth control funding to the new economic "stimulus" package, claiming "contraception will reduce costs to the states and to the federal government."
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashpbc.htm



Friends, fellow Earthlings,

LET'S KEEP THE MOMENTUM!

Do please support our effort to put the important and so difficult issue of overpopulation and birth control on the national and international agendas.

Could you help us promote more awareness of overpopulation and of the threat of overpopulation to our well-being and to the capacity of self-sustainability of this planet - and ultimately to our survival as a species?

Could you also add your personal voice to our overpopulation awareness campaign and support our world wide birth control initiative?

The petition is at:

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Bil...ecial:Petition


This petition will be sent to the UN, the World Population Awareness Organization, The Earth Charter Initiative, the Earth Policy Institute; to other major international organizations dealing with development and population; to mister Nelson Mandela and Father Desmond tutu, to all responsible citizens of our world and to all those who make decisions directly influencing our daily life.

Please, advocate and promote a worldwide rational birth control.


Help us shape a responsible future now.
We owe that to our children and to the children of our children.

We owe it to Mother-Earth.




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Old 02-09-2009, 09:11 PM   #2
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An excellent discussion of the Over-Population of Earth as the ROOT-CAUSE of the social and economic problems. The Birth-Stop Petition at http://futureofmankind.co.uk/ is a VERY IMPORTANT step to bring this to the attention of the World Governments. The petition also proposes step-by-step solutions. Yes, we expect this all will take time to implement fully. SOONER STARTED, SOONER DONE.

Having discussed this petition for the Birth-Stop, and what it means for Humanity in the near future with certain of my friends, I'll share some common thoughts & suggestions.

As an immediate set of measures, it may be necessary to encourage this idea among people with INCENTIVES to limit the number of children in each family. This is especially appropriate in the lesser-developed areas of the World...

For the MAN, after fathering Two Children who will then have a Vasectomy - He is to be paid a stipend equivalent to USD $5,000 in the local currency. For the MAN, after his Third Child, who will then have a Vasectomy - the stipend drops to USD $4,000 in the local currency.

For the WOMAN, who will submit herself to voluntary sterilization after her Third Child - She is to be paid a stipend equivalent to USD $6,000 in the local currency. If the WOMAN will Volunteer for Sterilization after her Second Child - Her stipend will be USD $8,000.

For those people among ALL populations - tribes/villages/ethnicities/nations - which do NOT participate in the INCENTIVE programs, such ones should be subject to DISINCENTIVES. All Welfare/subsistence/Food-Stamps and Tax-Deductions will END for the 4th or more child. The ONLY exception to this rule, will be for those families which ADOPT additional children. The money saved by the State here will go into the INCENTIVE program.

Such measures will have an immediate effect. Food for Thought.

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Old 02-09-2009, 09:34 PM   #3
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There is a completely different way to look at the number of people on the planet.

EVERY SINGLE PERSON ALIVE TODAY IS A SOUL INCARNATE.

EVERY SINGLE INCARNATED SOUL IS HERE TO EXPERIENCE THE SHIFT IN CONSCIOUSNESS.

The planet is well able to sustain all of us if we would only cooperate with it instead of raping it.

Two other threads on Avalon at the moment lead to a talk by Drunvalo Melchizidek. Watch it and consider the population question in the light of it.

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Old 02-09-2009, 10:20 PM   #4
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I don't agree with forced sterilization or anything. That sounds too much like a tactic of TPTB/NWO to me.
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Old 02-09-2009, 10:38 PM   #5
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I don't agree with forced sterilization or anything. That sounds too much like a tactic of TPTB/NWO to me.
I agree with you, Janitor: it shouldn't be forced.
People need to be aware, to understand by themselves the need to better manage their life in accordance with their possibilities( and earth resources ) and voluntary take action.

This battle is spiritual; it should be conducted solely with words.

Member J_rod7 also made actually no mention of forced sterilization, as far as i can say.


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Old 06-09-2009, 06:37 PM   #6
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I don't agree with forced sterilization or anything. That sounds too much like a tactic of TPTB/NWO to me.
Hello HJ,

Personally I fully agree, but to provide incentives/removal of support after having a litter they cannot afford seems reasonable.

There's an old program called Zero population growth that the NWO seemed to have knocked out of commission in the US.

Seems it's more profitable to have GROWTH, but I did wonder what their plans for all the BOOMERS was; now it looks like disease/famine if not war.

Then pawn it off onto G-d.
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Old 06-22-2009, 05:12 AM   #7
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Good day!

I thought, that he following article, which could be seen as an appendix to the latest report of the US officials on global warming( see: http://www.care2.com/causes/global-w...arming-report/ ) deserves some serious consideration.

Also here, the conclusion indeed calls for a profound rethinking of our attitude towards ourselves and Mother Earth and urgent collective action to turn the tide - in line with the warnings of Billy Meier in different prophecies and predictions:

RISING OCEAN TEMPERATURES NEAR WORST-CASE PREDICTIONS

Adam Morton
June 19, 2009
"The ocean is warming about 50 per cent faster than reported two years ago, according to an update of the latest climate science.

A report compiling research presented at a science congress in Copenhagen in March says recent observations are near the worst-case predictions of the 2007 report by the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

In the case of sea-level rise, it is happening at an even greater rate than projected - largely due to rising ocean temperatures causing thermal expansion of seawater.

Released last night at the European Policy Centre in Brussels, the report says ocean temperatures are a better indicator of global warming than air temperature as the ocean stores more heat and responds more slowly to change.

Report co-author Will Steffen, executive director of the Australian National University's Climate Change Institute, said the top 700 metres of the ocean had warmed by about 0.1 degrees over the past half-century."[...]

http://www.theage.com.au/environment...0619-cmcs.html



If one thinks of the potential consequences of such a steady change on the current physical shape of our world, our ways of life, the structure of the means of food production, the repartition of Human populations on Earth...


May reason and wisdom prevail.

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Old 09-10-2009, 01:14 PM   #8
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The hard reality of daily life. A call for responsibility.

The Starving Ocean: HOW MUCH DAMAGE HAS HUMAN FISHING DONE TO THE OCEAN?

"We thought we could fish forever, because the sea was a limitless protein mine. But dawning now is a realization that we were wrong about that. But how naive were we? And what price will be paid? Ocean life is dying back in unexpected ways: although there are fewer fish and other sea animals, more of them are starving, while waves of 'sickness' spread as primitive microbes gain the upper hand."[...]

http://www.fisherycrisis.com/



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Old 09-12-2009, 03:45 PM   #9
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Dear Avalonians,

2012 is at the doorstep.
It seems, that quite a lot would happen untill then and beyond.

We would need one another pretty much.

We need to be more self responsible than never before.
We need to develop peace of mind and steady purposes.

The spiritual Evolution of Earth Mankind and the ultimate awareness of the oneness of Human Consciousness can't be postponed any longer.

May reason and wisdom prevail.



Contact Report 476


Michael Horn:

" Synopsis

2012: What We Have Brought Upon Ourselves

In the following transcript of Billy Meier’s conversation with Ptaah, on February 3, 2009, information regarding the much publicized, and feared, catastrophic events now being associated with 2012 are discussed and clarified. Perhaps even more importantly, the truth about the actual depth of our climatic/environmental problems – and the direct link to the role of the endlessly greedy corporations and multinational corporations in denying it – is plainly stated. Also covered is how human thinking, especially the apocalyptic, fearful thinking prevalent among members of various fundamentalist groups, creates self-fulfilling prophecies, actually helping to bring about the negative events that they fearfully focus on.

Meier is on record as far back as 1951 in his warnings about climate change and the threat to our survival contained therein. And of course he also clearly pointed to the thoughtlessness of human behavior that could lead, and now actually has led, to our being on the brink of enormous, unprecedented upheavals and destruction. The latest news regarding warming in the Arctic can now only be ignored by the most foolish and deliberately blind of human beings.

While the bought off scientists and others tow the corporate (and political) line and promote the lies and denial, incontrovertible information about the effect of the melting of the glaciers seeps through, just like the waters from those glaciers that will raise sea levels worldwide. In the process of the glacial melting, the ever-increasing weight of the resulting great masses of water brings with it disastrous consequences, largely unforeseen and/or denied by most of our scientific “experts” This will take the form of both releasing long suppressed earthquakes, where glacial pressure once actually prevented them, and putting unprecedented pressure on the tectonic plates underneath the ocean floor, which also could lead to massive earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and tsunamis. (See scientific corroboration.)

Additionally, the possible collapse of the Antarctic Ice Sheet would also lead to huge problems that would have a worldwide effect, including putting Washington, D.C. under water; millions of environmental refugees, predicted by Meier, would be made homeless right in the U.S.

Routinely overlooked is the fact that we live on a…ball, a completely interconnected planet where, according also to the laws of cause and effect, the negative consequences of ill-considered actions eventually arrive, despite our ignorance or denial of the causal connections. Not surprisingly, Texas is experiencing the delayed effects of earlier, frequent drilling. Such appears to also be the case even in Oklahoma, where nine earthquakes occurred in a 24-hour period. It should be mentioned that oil extraction in Oklahoma first began around 1896.

Meier also introduces us to other, very unexpected, global consequences of our neglect and abuse, which may even spread out into space itself.

In addition to the following transcript, readers are advised to carefully study all of the warnings contained in Meier’s prophetic writings and their ever increasing corroboration. Unfortunately, many of the specific things he forewarned about, with the hope that humanity would awaken and take positive action to prevent them from occurring, are said to have now crossed the point of no return and to be predictions, i.e. unpreventable, inevitable events."

MH
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This is a small excerpt of the entire contact:

http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_M...act_Report_476



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There is a apprently a huge ice berg in the ocean, right now !!!

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Old 02-09-2009, 10:29 PM   #11
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Hello there,

Thanks for your insights and your perspective, members J_rod 7 and Delphi.

Delphi,
It is not much about the people who are on earth now, but about those we are irresponsibly adding - did you hear of the 'Octuplet Mum', for instance?!

It is all about rational and logical management.

There is overpopulation, specially in the specific context of the current mode of production - or better say, mere exploitation of this Planet and its resources - that is, this wild, aggressive Capitalism driven by greed alone.
If only the goods and other life sustaining commodities, the product we ourselves produce or gain directly from Earth were responsibly and honestly managed; if our aims in this existence were spiritually more elevated(instead of the sole accumulation of money and other material items), there would certainly be no question of overpopulation the way it is now.

As you rightly pointed it out, Mother-Earth is able to and is willing to take care of her Children - and does still do so - but we are extremely abusing her generosity, for everyone wants still more and more and, as we all know, there are no limits to the 'accumulation fever' and greed has by definition no boundaries.

Besides, Humans are not the only inhabitants of this Planet.

There are other Life Forms having the same rights to be and to develop; Life Forms which are as necessary and dear to Earth as we, Humans, are: Flora, Fauna.

We are building factories and other human production facilities on lands, which should normallybe reserved to agriculture, to the flora and fauna; we are destroying forests, polluting water and air...

Flora and Fauna are being incessantly persecuted by us.

Honey bees are disappearing in horrifying huge numbers and sorts(and we all know the great role they play for the balance of our eco-system, for our flowers, our patatoes, our wine...); the ice is dramatically melting (due in part to human irresponsible activities, like the tests of atomic and nuclear bombs underground and in the atmosphere!!!)...


We need to be reasonable and seek harmony with our world.
The only one we have got.


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RaKaR i really appreciate you for bringing the discussion back to the middle ground when I was feeling far more extreme than I actually wrote.

I totally agree with you about rampant capitalism. I suspect it is deliberate policy by TPTB to tarmac and concrete over countryside, and to make people work in windowless factories offices and hospitals, in order to cut us off from living growing things and circadian rhythms.

However, I truly believe the days of rampant capitalism are numbered. The shift of consciousness is oh so close and after it, our concerns will be so different. The problem is we are so involved in the current paradigm we just don't have the vocabulary for the next stage in our evolution.

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once upon a time in the 1880s or 1890s someone calculated that if horsedrawn traffic continued to grow at its then rate, then within a few years Piccadily Circus in London would be 6' (2m) deep in horse sh*t.
A whole different form of pollution arrived instead.
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Good morning all members,

Thanks for the swift follow-up, Delphi.

We can indeed only speculate on the motivations of the so-called TPTB; what is certain though, is that we are on a painfully wrong track.

There is no place for coercion in the manifesting paradigma; all shall happen from within - outer 'guidance' is basically incompatible with spiritual awareness and the upcoming shift of/in consciousness you underlined:
"Be aware of your real essence and you won't need a system.", i would say.

Systems come and go; spiritual awareness and creational laws are forever.
Self responsibility would be the 'control', if you wish.

Awareness and Birth Control.

As far as we are concerned, nothing will happen to the currently existing(and growing by the second. Alas!) 7 billion people of Earth.
They would live their life as they think fit - hopefully with a sharper sense of responsibility and some ray of wisdom - and the laws of nature would apply to bring about a natural stabilization of Earth population.

In other words, nothing, absolutely nothing, which is or is about to be, would be denied to people - those would-be children we would put on 'standby' till a better time, do not yet exist. They are but virtual.
People are only asked to use their common sense in the question of population, the very same way people use their common sense to manage and run their private and public life, their work, studies, business, friendship, family, money, farms...

Life here - in all its appearances and almost endless ways of being - is holy, in the sense of pricelessly precious. Mister Meier has always clearly and strongly underlined this point.

One fundamental thing must also be clear.

'Third world countries' are not the ONLY ones responsible: WE ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE.

We do not single out individuals, countries, nations or races; we address ourselves, our own self; we address Mankind as a whole, as one consciousness.

The birth control we propose is also a worldwide measure; it MUST be equally applied and enforced in all continents, all countries, all nations, all social classes...it is valid for all and everyone: for the richest nations as well as for the poorest nations; for the richest individuals as well as the poorest; for the kings, queens, presidents, ministers judges... as well as for the poorest farmers, street performers, carpenters, village teachers, hunters, sewage workers...

We shall be mindful that everything is connected and that wisdom itself points to overpopulation as the current mother of all evil.


Overpopulation is an all-human problem. We shall overcome it together.



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RaKaR,

"Life here - in all its appearances and almost endless ways of being - is holy, in the sense of pricelessly precious. Mister Meier has always clearly and strongly underlined this point.

"One fundamental thing must also be clear.

" 'Third world countries' are not the ONLY ones responsible: WE ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE."

These statements are, indeed, some profound insights.

Self-Responsibility IS the lesson that ALL Humans on Earth must learn. Some among us are learning and applying this lesson in daily living.

The SAD fact is that the greater mass of Humanity seems to have not ever grasped this fundamental concept. Self-Responsibility should be taught in EVERY grade/level of school education.

I would go further, and suggest that the issue of Over-Population should also be taught in the schools - this from every possible perspective, e.g... Economic, Environmental, Social, Statistics, Political, Global Trade, and from the perspectives of History, Biology (Sex-education), and the prospective Dynamics for the Future of Mankind.

Do we all REALLY expect to go out to the Stars, while our World is in such a current state of Chaos?

How do the Ambassadors FROM the Stars see us, in this current state of Chaos? I don't think they feel welcome here, while we are squabbling over trifles, grasping goods and food from one-another's hands, polluting our living space, killing the life in the oceans, and killing each other for 'Living-Space.'

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Interesting stuff, and I agree with you "Delphi".
Nothing in the Universe happens in a vacuum. Every soul incarnate has to be vetted, informed of the circumstances of their destination, and approved by the ruler of this universe. The reason of the apparent over population is simple, every soul, wanted to have an opportunity for ascension at this current juncture, or wait another several thousand reincarnation on another earthlike star for a similar opportunity. All souls that are here now, were approved, unfortunately many, many, millions will not make it, some, because they are still asleep, and others because they did not awake on time. You cannot fault souls for wanting to be part of what is labelled in etheric and spiritual circles to be "The Greatest Show On Earth" literally. The great purification has begun and will continue unabated until Mother Earth has completed her cleansing, and made her long awaited adjustment to her ecosystems, and all this in sincere devotion and love for all those who have chosen to accompany her to her new destination of light among the greater Stars.
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Greetings in Peace to All

For Brutus35, and everyone else caught-up in the 2012 FRENZY. Let's all come to reason here and now. Use the LOGIC you are born with, instead of letting your life be ruled by Emotions.

To burst the "Bubble of Nonsense," the World IS NOT GOING TO END FOR ANYONE IN 2012. Please read a common-sense article here...:

http://www.universetoday.com/2008/05...msday-in-2012/

Then follow-up by reading this...:

http://www.theyfly.com/Demystifying_the_Mayan.html

Also, please this and the following posts at this discussion Forum...:

http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14...html#POST34806

The Problems facing us here and now on Earth, are the reasons we are here to address. These ARE the lessons of this current incarnation, to Master Self-Responsibility, To learn to pitch-in - work TOGETHER to solve the problems of Earth Humanity NOW. This IS why we are here in this Time.

The Solar System has crossed the plane of the Galactic Center many Thousands of times since it came into material form. NO One and NO Thing 'transcended ' during any of those previous crossings, why should this crossing be any different. Get REAL, and get over it. It's time to grow up.

If you want to stand aside in the expectation of "2012-Ascension- Salvation", so be it. The rest of us have work to do NOW.

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With due respect "JROD". lighten up a bit, it is all good..
At no time and no where, either here or elsewhere, have I suggested an "End of the World" scenario. Assuming you are talking about the disintegrating or dissolution of the planet earth, and not the end of existence for the inhabitants of the planet. However, whether you believe it or not, the earth is in ascension mode, and will continue to do so: linear time as we know it WILL cease to exist, whether we come together, stay apart or simply fall asleep AGAIN as many are likely to do. Wil this happen at 2012, I strongly believe that this quantum shift will take place before 2012, but we shall see..I do agree with you that we are the architects and masters of our own destiny, and that we should do all within our power to ensure a peaceful co-existence with all other living entities here and everywhere. However, if it is not in your soul contract to evolve at this juncture, your world is about to end. You will of course be rebirthed on another similar earth type system, but not earth.This earth star planet is on her way out of the darkness, denseness and rot of third density, where she have in recent times suffered tremendously, (and almost died), unknown to many of her inhabitants, and no dark force or their puppets will deter that progress, not now, not ever. It is her time, and so it shall be..
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Brutus35, Please accept my apology if I have offended you in any way.

The Point that I've made, is that the "2012-Ascension-Salvation movement" has taken on the tones of a religion. In other words, a cult based on certain 'Beliefs.'

Could it be that there is a 'Faction' within TPTB which has propagated such cult-beliefs in order to undermine the 'authority' of the European Illuminati.?

When the underlying 'facts' of ascension are examined, does this not resemble the christian expectation of 'the Rapture?'

The ESSENTIAL point here, is really such adherence to ANY cult belief does take energy from engagement with the solution of the critical issues that confront Humanity. The issue of Over-Population being the MOST CRITICAL of all.

Overpopulation IS at the ROOT cause of all other problems = Social disorders, Economic crisis, Wars, Rebellions, Genocide, Immigration, Poverty, Starvation, the end of Sustainable Resources, Pollution of the Air, Water, Oceans, and the Earth itself. Solve the Overpopulation problem, and the rest of the problems will go away.

Overpopulation WILL be solved in one of two ways: 1./ It will be forced upon us through massively destructive Wars, or 2./ WE will find and implement the solution for ourselves through rational Humanitarian means. The second option is what we are working to achieve.

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No offense taken "JROD" no offense, there is no need for apologies here. We are all one, on the same path, on route to the same destination. I do again agree with you, that their is a sort of cult type atmosphere prevailing, but that is expected from a society that has been and to some extent still is controlled by the GODS OF RELIGIOUS dogma. However, the ills of our society is clearly a cause of greed, and not necessarily over population. Not that a reduction in population will not help, but when 23% of the world population utilises 81% percent of the worlds resources, we have a serious problem of ..MISTAKEN IDENTITY..

There is a valley, where the spiritual stands on one side, and the religious on the other. In the middle is the Creator and the Creation. In time they will all come together as one, and we will be there..
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Greetings to all in peace,

Member J_rod7,
The logic of your line of thoughts is easy to follow.
Thanks for your contribution.

Member Brutus,
I see your perspective.
Although i do not 'believe' in anything such alike, which i would not have consciously and methodically - through hard work of meditation, critical study and impassionate self analysis - nursed and developed within my own self, i do understand that some other souls have their own paths and their own ways of accomplishing the destiny they once chose for themselves.

I sincerely look forward to Ascension 2012 - as long as it wouldn't be some kind of panacea and a ground for passivity and fatalism, that is.

And, if the anticipated and long awaited Ascension does not take place, or in case it does not exactly follow the expected pattern, for one or another reason( there could be endless factors: own level of vibrations, readiness, external influence, turn of tide, cosmic events...), do please remember, that it might still not be too late to build a better relationship with Earth, our only planet. In all responsibility.

It wouldn't harm and it feels always good to have your own house in order.


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This "breaking news" is from a discussion between Billy and Ptaah in August, 2008.
The Population Time-Bomb is NOW EXPLODING. The time is passing us by in which effective action can have any impact. I don't wanna be a 'told-ya-so,' but Billy has already told-ya-so.

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Billy- ... But can you now tell me something of which you had already mentioned early, namely concerning the bank crash in the USA. Is the roughest now past?

Ptaah- No, because the whole thing expands itself even more and, firstly, in the middle of September, leads to the big bank collapse, respectively, to the financial crisis in the USA, with what this Crash then spreads itself worldwide to the financial world and on major parts to big insurances, from which specially Europe will be involved in great mass.

Billy-. Yes, then something can be expected. Here, however, I have another question concerning the petroleum extraction: How long time can one still calculate until the petroleum extraction with respect to the worldwide reserves is exceeded?

Ptaah- It has already been exceeded for quite a long time, which, however, is concealed by the petroleum producing states and by groups of companies.

Billy- Is this also the case with Saudi Arabia?

Ptaah- Yes.

Billy- Yes, the petroleum producers pump water under the petroleum deposits in order to drive the petroleum up to the surface. In the course of time there it can happen that the water rises up to the top of the petroleum reservoir and then, at the end, only this water is extracted.

This would mean the end of the petroleum production. The whole thing would evoke a worldwide catastrophe, because the whole economy would collapse.

The petroleum would get still more expensive and just as prohibitively expensive for the private consumers and for the whole transport sector which is dependent on petrol and diesel oil as well as kerosene.

Through this the transport of food from foreign countries would be stopped the same way as also the transport of other economic goods of every type.

Also the mass tourism would collapse, and the people would go again in vacations in the own countries, if they are then still financially able at all to do it.

The cars, tractors, machines tools, ships, aircraft and motorcycles would become valueless scrap metal and the people would have to go again on foot or on bicycle and on horse carts etc..

Also many products, like every kind of artifacts and articles made of plastic would disappear or get prohibitively expensive. And food itself would be cultivated again in the countries which, however, would not bring much because of the overpopulation and consequently famine would arise everywhere.

In fact a deglobalization will occur in such a case - and which in reality threatens - as well as also an enormous unemployment which in the industrialized states alone could include up to 30 percent, while the criminality and the anarchism would assume uncontrollable proportions.

To cultivate food again for themselves in the own countries, for such a mass of overpopulation as it is given, this is as good as impossible in those individual countries, which would have to go again themselves in mass for the agriculture and the horticulture, because the country resources as well as also the existing farmers the horticulture and the smallholders plantations do not suffice for it, because already too much good cultivated land has disappeared, obstructed, concreted over and was exhausted.

A catastrophe is then unavoidable also with respect to the energy because residential buildings and other buildings cannot be heated anymore because of the lack of petroleum as also power stations cannot generate energy anymore, if these are operated with petrol.

Also the lubricants for the motors and generators, as well as for machines of all kinds will fail and will bring many things to a standstill. And an uncontrollable disaster would arise through which many people also would die in the hospitals with respect to medicines, as well as to the medical equipment, and so forth.

I see the whole like this, if within a shortest time other means of energy production and other materials which can replace petroleum as substitute for the everyday life articles and other goods.

However, to it belong also two materials tar and natural gas, which are not eternally-constant either. Also the biofuels are an enormous problem which can be only solved through the definitive abolition through a prohibition of it.

And, if radically measures for a worldwide birth control finally are not taken, then in fact the great disaster cannot be stopped. If all the evil happens in fact, a scenario turns out then on the whole earth, which can be gladly and well marked as the end of the world or as the Third World Fire.

Now only ask yourself whether the clever heads among the researchers and the scientists as well as the responsible ruling ones are clever enough to find possibilities and to take measures as quickly as possible to prevent this threatening catastrophe with security?

They can only do this, however, if they finally listen to the warning and by taking out their fingers from their mouths in order to create an effective and far reaching measures concerning a worldwide birth control as well as clean and petroleum-independent possibilities for the production of energy and hit the nail on the head.

It is also necessary that the people in general reflect and do the right thing in order to correct the criminal and senseless use of the fossil resources. It is also part of it that vehicles, ships, aircraft, motorcycles and cars etc. are not used anymore for spins and holydays trips and as well as also that no sports and race meetings etc, by which fossil and biofuel find application be allowed and increased and carried out anymore.

Also that vehicles with combustible engines are used in order to drive 100 or 200 metres far to the next shopping purchase or to go to the workplace is criminal and it supports the threatening disaster, for which also that must be forbidden.

Cars only should be allowed for absolutely necessary transportations and other important journeys, with which a vehicle with combustible engine only should be allowed to go for the shopping and for the reaching to the job; if the way to it is more than five kilometres.

Transportations of handicapped person, transportations of sick people, important goods and cargo transports as well as school transports for children should be taken into consideration on that occasion as a necessity, vehicles which are, however, only especially provided and marked for it.

And what will be unavoidable if the whole actually arrives is the fact that the whole of the problems becomes still greater and more extensive and not managed anymore in relation to the rapidly increasing overpopulation.

So the demand for energy and the need for vehicles of every kind, for accommodations and houses, for medicines and for the basic consumer articles of daily use will rise just as increasingly more rapidly as also the demand for foods. And exactly in relation to these enormous and irresponsible destructive exploitation practised in a crazy manner by those which keep various kinds of domestic animals which are fed with the best foods which would be the best meal for the people.

This both with regard to first-class meat, which is used for dogs and cats food as well as also respecting to the different grains, vegetables, fruits, poultry and fish and all sorts of other animals which would be the best food for the human beings.

So everything which is done against the evils becomes obsolete and completely worthless even before it is completed; be it through the nuclear or solar energy, be it through the power of wind or of the water or through the energy produced by the incineration power plants or through medications for the illnesses and epidemics, which more and more frequently and more dangerously appear as epidemics and pandemics.

But also the drinking water always becomes into the biggest problem through the rising overpopulation and in the end it becomes a rarity while the people flee from their native countries as gigantic streams of refugees or are expelled from it and penetrate in the industrialized countries, where they hope for a better life, causing through it, however, more and more refugee tragedies and catastrophes.

Also, as a result, illnesses, epidemics and parasites are taken and are disseminated into the host countries, as this happens also with the transportation of goods and products, consequently originating new problems and catastrophes through it in the host-countries for the refugees.

And further evil develops itself by the fact that more and more sexual intermixing of members of different people always take place, which also permanently leads to big problems and to new illnesses and inevitably leads also in fact to behavioral alterations etc. the more extensively these intermixings takes place.

However, from the whole of it arises hate because of other mentalities, religions and cultures, which leads to evil acts of violence which cannot be controlled anymore in a simple and peaceful way.

Ptaah- You understood the thing here, which actually has hands and feet, as you have the habit of saying. The catastrophe mentioned by you already has begun to develop itself, even if the leaders of the earthly governments and the economy etc. do not see yet the whole of it, or simply do not want to admit it, as well as the scientists and the general people do not also.

And with it you say the truth that this global catastrophe actually threatens and closes in, if, as quickly as possible, the responsible ones of the governments and the scientist,s as well as the general people do not undertake the necessary action in order to stop this process already running and do the right thing.

Billy- I myself also calculated this as a great probability accordingly to the law of causality, respectively, in terms of cause and effect of what has been for some time and also is presently occurring on the Earth, and what it is to be expected. One must only sum up one plus one, then, by itself, the result emerges as an irrefutable factor of reality.

http://www.figu.org/ch/files/downloa...t.pdf?download

Now...DO spread the word to the whole planet...!!!

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Original German text and translation....:

http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/86...html#POST38673

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Old 02-16-2009, 06:10 AM   #22
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I was always surprised that Billy and his friends never talked about the possibility for disclosure of the new (free) energy that is available but hidden from the public. This would alleviate the energy and related problems mentioned. It is a key to solving our present energy/ pollution/ food problems.
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I was always surprised that Billy and his friends never talked about the possibility for disclosure of the new (free) energy that is available but hidden from the public. This would alleviate the energy and related problems mentioned. It is a key to solving our present energy/ pollution/ food problems.
Thanks for your thoughts, NorthernSanctuary.
It is so, that the accent lays here more on what WE OURSELVES can do to help ourselves and to ultimately save our planet - instead of what OTHERS may be concealing or trying to hide from us.


Member J_rod7,
Thanks for your thoughts and contribution.
We salute your effort; we must by now indeed know what we have to do.

Your example is being swiftly followed: this update has been sent to respectively the correspondence team of president Obama; to Mr. Gore and the WeMovement; to Earth Policy and Earth Institute; to the Mandela Foundation and Zeitgeist; to the head of the Department of Scientific Studies of the Dutch Socialist Party and to Mr. Markus of CNNreporter.

We shall further consider with Jamesm, the ways of adding this development to our Worldwide Birth Control Petition.


We meanwhile received the following update from Earth Policy:

WHEN POPULATION GROWTH AND RESOURCE AVAILABILITY COLLIDE
By Lester R. Brown.

"As land and water become scarce, competition for these vital resources intensifies within societies, particularly between the wealthy and those who are poor and dispossessed. The shrinkage of life-supporting resources per person that comes with population growth is threatening to drop the living standards of millions of people below the survival level, leading to potentially unmanageable social tensions.

Access to land is a prime source of social tension. Expanding world population has cut the grainland per person in half, from 0.23 hectares in 1950 to 0.10 hectares in 2007. One tenth of a hectare is half of a building lot in an affluent U.S. suburb. This ongoing shrinkage of grainland per person makes it difficult for the world’s farmers to feed the 70 million people added to world population each year. The shrinkage in cropland per person not only threatens livelihoods; in largely subsistence societies, it threatens survival itself. Tensions within communities begin to build as landholdings shrink below that needed for survival."

http://www.earthpolicy.org/Books/Seg/PB3ch06_ss5.htm



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Greetings to all,

The ball is rolling - and rolling pretty fast, it seems!

Here is a courageous stance on...BBC!
(Courtesy of Mr. Horn)

Wednesday, 18 February 2009

IS IT SELFISH TO HAVE MORE THAN TWO CHILDREN?

By Margaret Ryan
BBC News

"Is having more than two children selfish? The future of the planet rarely plays a part when planning a family, but that's got to change, say environmental campaigners.
Parents who have more than two children are "irresponsible" for placing an intolerable burden on resources and increasing damage to eco-systems, says a leading green campaigner.
Curbing population growth through contraception must play a role in fighting global warming, argues Jonathon Porritt.

This week, the Optimum Population Trust (OPT), of which Mr Porrit is a patron, launched its "Stop at Two" online pledge to encourage couples to limit their family's size."
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7884138.stm



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Old 02-19-2009, 01:49 AM   #25
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Where does the information come from regarding overpopulation? Are the sources correct? Who funded the source of the information? an it even be verified? Do you want to take the time to hurdle this seemingly insurmountable task of verification?

Might this just be a matter of poll parroting? I just don't buy into the premise at all. I also don't buy into the premise that this world has limited resources. Alternatively, I see there is tremendous, unharnessed resources.

As long as the sun shines & the wind blows, we have energy... who even knows what other potentials exist that may be hidden? We also have technology to turn sewer water (river water, even sea water) into drinkable water.

The vast majority of the earth's land surface is uninhabited.

That's my take. I think that we live in a world of abundance, unrecognized, untapped and certainly we are very uneducated about the matter.

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