Billy Meier discussion cont.

[NeedForSpeed]

Originally Posted by Majorion

The only thing I find interesting with this case is the clearly enormous effort to discredit this person, for whatever reason that may be, it is evident. Usually thats a ringing bell for me that there's something to "check out". Because there are so many "contactees", but very few are targeted in the manner of Billy Meier. Its an eyebrow raiser.

This could be something created for the sole purpose of lending credibility to a false contactee. If some secret agency wishes to control a group of people who are prone to believe in alien beings, wouldn't be logical to create a "persecution" scenario to lend it some credibility? People would then conclude "If they are worried about this guy, then he must be up to something".

Now, even if that's not the case, some group might be actually interested to know if he is real.

It is patently clear that he making a lot of stuff up, not only because of the photos, but because of the whole sect he created. Come on, Jesus walked among the people doing miracles and this supposed "reincarnation" of him is hidden somewhere and can't give any proof?

EDIT: I think he is a NWO agent. He is into "population reduction", he mentions a New World Order, etc.

[eleni]

His * ET* contacts could be the very same Hitler et al. contacted....
Reading Meier material- Semjase clearly showed disdain toward earthlings....

[Chamber]

Originally Posted by NeedForSpeed

This could be something created for the sole purpose of lending credibility to a false contactee. If some secret agency wishes to control a group of people who are prone to believe in alien beings, wouldn't be logical to create a "persecution" scenario to lend it some credibility? People would then conclude "If they are worried about this guy, then he must be up to something".

Now, even if that's not the case, some group might be actually interested to know if he is real.

It is patently clear that he making a lot of stuff up, not only because of the photos, but because of the whole sect he created. Come on, Jesus walked among the people doing miracles and this supposed "reincarnation" of him is hidden somewhere and can't give any proof?

EDIT: I think he is a NWO agent. He is into "population reduction", he mentions a New World Order, etc.

Well exactly...I dunno 'bout an NWO agent....but we're talking about the 1970s....this was media swerve in it's infancy. It seemed completely fringe at the time....but these days stories like these are a dime a dozen.

Again....I don't automatically discredit Meier himself and that he may have had a genuine experience...but in my heart of hearts it never smelled right.

So instead of using this poor little Swiss man to sway humanity....the beautiful blonde-haired blue-eyed Pleadians are invited to knock on my door and open themselves to my scrutiny.

Just sayin'

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by NeedForSpeed

This could be something created for the sole purpose of lending credibility to a false contactee. If some secret agency wishes to control a group of people who are prone to believe in alien beings, wouldn't be logical to create a "persecution" scenario to lend it some credibility? People would then conclude "If they are worried about this guy, then he must be up to something".

Nope, I don't think it would be the most logical course of action on behalf of whatever agency, its certainly possible, but again, if this is the standard modus operandi you are positing so for 'them' to control people, then why is Billy Meier practically the only guy with this kind operation?

A simpler answer is, the government's discrediting acts is real, and not a ploy to create 'persecution scenario'. Only, they are not trying to discredit him over matters of ET, but rather; over something else.

Now, even if that's not the case, some group might be actually interested to know if he is real.

Theres no doubt that many agencies from around the world investigated his case. Whatever it is they concluded, remains a mystery, except for the people inside those departments who would know.

It is patently clear that he making a lot of stuff up, not only because of the photos, but because of the whole sect he created. Come on, Jesus walked among the people doing miracles and this supposed "reincarnation" of him is hidden somewhere and can't give any proof?

I agree. Billy Meier claims to be the sole contactee of pleadian extraterrestrials. For one, I have yet to see any evidence for pleadians other than some ufo cases where individuals fitting these descriptions were spotted or alleged to be occupants. But that would contradict Meier wouldn't it? the fact that other people made contact with these same looking beings, given that Meier says they 'only talk to him'.

EDIT: I think he is a NWO agent. He is into "population reduction", he mentions a New World Order, etc

There's no such thing as NWO. And the whole idea of population reduction is often the center of typical fear mongering.

There are rightwing religious extremist cabals, there are secret societies, military industrial complex, illuminati, zionist movement, billionaire banker crooks, intelligence agencies, and a whole lot of other groups with tremendous power, that have been around for a very very long time. Long before any notion of a 'New World Order'.

NWO is the best piece of disinfo I have ever seen the conspiracy communities fall for, hook line and sinker.

It is classic deflection tactics from the real PTB. Nothing worse than when you don't even know who you're enemy is, so you come up with a vague reference to some group that don't even exist.

Peace

[Soulcrafter]

Originally Posted by eleni

His * ET* contacts could be the very same Hitler et al. contacted....
Reading Meier material- Semjase clearly showed disdain toward earthlings....

and the very same ET who John Dee contacted which demanded blood and sacrifice.

[NeedForSpeed]

Originally Posted by Majorion

There's no such thing as NWO. And the whole idea of population reduction is often the center of typical fear mongering.

It is obviously much more than that, and I am not even referring to the "Georgia guidestones". Many others have written about population reduction and global control. Billy Meier follows the same agenda, he specifically says the same thing about population, keep it under 500 million, because "the Pleaideans created Earth to hold that much" or something like that. And he also mentions a "New World Order" in his teachings by name, as some kind of global unity.

Among other things, he says Hitler was a good person (!!), but was misguided by "dark forces" (!!!).

I don't understand fear and why knowing reality would cause fear. But even by analyzing the premises alone, there's nothing that would cause fear about it. Your conclusion is illogical.

Originally Posted by Majorion

There are rightwing religious extremist cabals, there are secret societies, military industrial complex, illuminati, zionist movement, billionaire banker crooks, intelligence agencies, and a whole lot of other groups with tremendous power, that have been around for a very very long time. Long before any notion of a 'New World Order'.

They aren't mutually exclusive. So I don't see your point.

A NWO would be anybody, a government, agency, NGO or political party working towards a centralized global government and restriction of personal freedom.

Originally Posted by Majorion

NWO is the best piece of disinfo I have ever seen the conspiracy communities fall for, hook line and sinker.

It is classic deflection tactics from the real PTB. Nothing worse than when you don't even know who you're enemy is, so you come up with a vague reference to some group that don't even exist.

And what is PTB? It is name to designate a very vague group of people. Unless you are naming names, that's all you will get.

It is a historical fact that certain groups in power tried and try to shape human history according to their beliefs. One example is eugenics in 19 and 20th century, and many people still believe in it even today. Or wars funded and instigated by certain groups.

If you are a believer of Billy Meier, then please elaborate on why you believe him. Because that would be more constructive than some knee-jerk reaction.

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by NeedForSpeed

Many others have written about population reduction and global control. Billy Meier follows the same agenda, he specifically says the same thing about population, keep it under 500 million

But if Billy Meier is part of the NWO, then why the enormous effort to discredit him, why the many assassination attempts, by supposedly the same groups of people who are also NWO? -- Let me ask you, how would you define NWO in this context? -- Would you not consider NSA, CIA, Mossad, etc on the side of NWO? -- One or more of these groups were out to kill Meier multiple times. So they can't be part of that same NWO.

I don't understand fear and why knowing reality would cause fear. But even by analyzing the premises alone, there's nothing that would cause fear about it. Your conclusion is illogical.

I said that the topic of population reduction is often the center of fear mongering, I haven't denied that government is out to kill us, because they most certainly are, everything from pharma to economics to evicting people from their homes, loss of jobs, creating viruses in some lab, distributing deadly vaccines, labor camps, detention facilities, haarp, chemtrails. You name it, I have not denied it.

A NWO would be anybody, a government, agency, NGO or political party working towards a centralized global government and restriction of personal freedom.

The problem with this theory, is that it assumes there isn't already a 'world order', a very old one, that has been controlling the whole world for a long time already. I'm gonna tell you, there are lots of groups, some of them even hate each other to death and are at war with each other, however most of them seem to get along just fine when it comes to controlling us (human populous) in their respective lands. But there is no "new" or "singular" group evading any positive identification.

Would you consider Freemasons part of NWO? How about Zionists? NAZIs, do they even still exist? -- You see what I'm getting at, there is no 'one group'. And if there is, I ask that you please identify that group right now here.

And what is PTB? It is name to designate a very vague group of people. Unless you are naming names, that's all you will get.

But I did name names. Check my earlier post again. I clearly identified a number of groups.

If you are a believer of Billy Meier, then please elaborate on why you believe him. Because that would be more constructive than some knee-jerk reaction.

Nope, I don't believe Billy Meier. But I do believe there is something significant in his case, completely unrelated to ufos/aliens. For whatever purpose, whether good or bad, there are agencies and groups out to kill him. I don't know why, but I would certainly like to.

Peace

[NeedForSpeed]

Originally Posted by Majorion

But if Billy Meier is part of the NWO, then why the enormous effort to discredit him, why the many assassination attempts, by supposedly the same groups of people who are also NWO? -- Let me ask you, how would you define NWO in this context? -- Would you not consider NSA, CIA, Mossad, etc on the side of NWO? -- One or more of these groups were out to kill Meier multiple times. So they can't be part of that same NWO.

Again, providing a scenario people are confortable with is a way of manipulating them. Creating stories that Billy Meier is "persecuted" by certain agencies is a good way of incresing his credibility among many.

I don't know if he is and if he is the only one under surveillance. Why assume so? What discrediting has he received? Skeptics critizing pictures? What else?

Nobody has written any in depth criticism of his work, people are either dismissive or just creating blind propaganda, like that representative of his in the US does. If people take a look at his writings they would find many interesting things, such as the population thing, Nazi references, etc.

But what is Billy Meier? A hoaxer? Maybe, but there's an operation around him that may be bigger than his sect. I think he is indeed receiving information from others about predictions, but I don't believe they are aliens at all. They are either connected to former Nazis or a group which is composed mainly by Nazi sympathizers.

There's no doubt that he preaches world depopulation, under 500 million, among other things.

Originally Posted by Majorion

Would you consider Freemasons part of NWO? How about Zionists? NAZIs, do they even still exist? -- You see what I'm getting at, there is no 'one group'. And if there is, I ask that you please identify that group right now here.

Stop the strawman argument. Many organizations being part of the NWO doesn't prevent the existence of the NWO.

You seem to equate the term NWO to some kind of company or corporation with a mail address and a reception where a secretary will receive you with: "Welcome to New World Order Corporation. How can I help you?"

Who said that?

This is a strawman argument. And then you cite a PTB, which is just another vague term for an unspecified group of people! Really?

Originally Posted by Majorion

Nope, I don't believe Billy Meier. But I do believe there is something significant in his case, completely unrelated to ufos/aliens. For whatever purpose, whether good or bad, there are agencies and groups out to kill him. I don't know why, but I would certainly like to.

I don't even know if such stories about persecution are true, all I know is if the CIA or some other agency wanted him dead then he would be dead.

That's why the whole "persecution scenario" looks more like deception than reality.

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by NeedForSpeed

But what is Billy Meier? A hoaxer? Maybe, but there's an operation around him that may be bigger than his sect. I think he is indeed receiving information from others about predictions, but I don't believe they are aliens at all.

Lets start with what we agree with. On that note; I agree with you regarding the above.

They are either connected to former Nazis or a group which is composed mainly by Nazi sympathizers.

If I may ask, how did you come to this conclusion? is there any proof for this statement?

There's no doubt that he preaches world depopulation, under 500 million, among other things.

Sure he does, but does it say in his textbook that there should be eradication to solve this problem? Not that I'm defending Meier, but I don't remember this as a suggestion from his texts.

You seem to equate the term NWO to some kind of company or corporation with a mail address and a reception where a secretary will receive you with: "Welcome to New World Order Corporation. How can I help you?"

No of course not, but NWO proponents really give that impression. I'm only asking you to identify this group, who are they, what are their affiliations, and yes, do they have a headquarters? do they meet anywhere specific? do they have any reference other than the three letters NWO? are they the only group? who are their enemies? most importantly, where is the evidence of their existence?

This is a strawman argument. And then you cite a PTB, which is just another vague term for an unspecified group of people! Really?

This is the second time I refer you to the number of groups I've already named from my earlier posts. But I'll say it again, the PTB are; Illuminati, zionists, elite families, military industrial complex, freemasons, bohemian grove, skull and bones, the many intelligence agencies, extremist religious cabals from all the main religions, knights templar, magicians and occult, and one more I might go as far to say there are even malevolent non-human entities at the top of all this.

That's why the whole "persecution scenario" looks more like deception than reality.

Well I can only speak from what I know and have seen for myself. I have witnessed the enormous persecution of Meier first hand countless times. Again, am neither a proponent nor believer in Meier, but theres no doubt hes been subjected to a discrediting campaign, if you see it as a deception, then you obviously haven't witnessed what I did. I can assure you he's been a major target. I don't know why but would like to.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

billy mier met samjase the space nazi or he met a human from an ongoing thule/nazi ww2 base at one of the poles, either way the so called plaidiens are touting the same stuff as the new world order crowd. im not a fan of space nazis or earthly ones..

billy mier is nothing special imo.. he just did his thing well .. prob contacted early on by et but after that smells like bs and marketing to me..

the new world order is a state of reality that is trying to be acheived by a loose collection of secret society members,politicians and business men. ptb/ nwo is just an easy way to put all these goons in one basket, just semantics.
its easier than saying jews, zionists, nazis, masons, templars , illuminati, hollywood, ad infinitum.. when i use these terms its for simplification of something so complex it needs a bgook to explain it all if we were to write it all down every time.

[nameless]

Originally Posted by pineal-pilot-in merkabah

the new world order is a state of reality that is trying to be acheived by a loose collection of secret society members,politicians and business men. ptb/ nwo is just an easy way to put all these goons in one basket, just semantics.
its easier than saying jews, zionists, nazis, masons, templars , illuminati, hollywood, ad infinitum.. when i use these terms its for simplification of something so complex it needs a bgook to explain it all if we were to write it all down every time.

dont mean to go off topic, I think your guilty of what most of us do! ie. put everything under one umbrella without qualifying it. its like when people use the term UFO. I get what you say when you use this term but sometimes it does itself an injustice and gives the unseen bogeyman more power than it actualy has. I have stopped using that term simply for those reasons.

what seems to be more scarier than this, is, if all these factions including sites like this and ourselves in a misguided way have unconciously created or are being manipulated by an enitity rooted in our collective unconciousness. we all could be creating a "Tulpa" which is a real threat and a consideration about how we must check what we say and our own actions. its a scary thought postulated by others and could be the Jesters last card, a terrible ironic tradgedy played out by "ourselves". anyhoo, keep questing stuff!

now back to the other jester trick that is Billy Made it all up for profit Meier!

[nameless]

another way to look at the Meier thing is in regard to personal evolutionary change in the context of the mystery school play or gnostic revelation. For all of you out there who have undergone any personal spiritual change or progeressed along lifes path will be famiiar with initiatory encounter. For judaeo/christian freinds out there and Kaballaistic Mystics it is represented by the 0 card or "The fool". In other religions this character is described as Promoetheus, Tiki, Coyote and can be a person act or meme, a thing or a place or "art" itself. The common element here is that its goal is to shatter paradigms and help with the personal unlearning process which is the first step to gaining true spiritual insight and to "empty the cup " in order to refill it. It seems that as a collective culture (wether we like it or not) certain pheneomena become apparent(wether it is spiritual, mystic, scientific, alien or a plain lie), as if nature creates an act that helps us to break the shackles of which bind us to a particular false paradigm in order for us to progress and get rid of false beliefs and things which are holding us back or spiritualy tieing us to the material realm. in this regard we can always get something good or "useful" from an act which makes us question our reality.

in this case the meier thing is a tool of help to certain people who need that particular aspect of the paradigm shatteredand cab get past this. for others it may take the form of a personal encounter with a "ufo" or it could be something more mundane or pedestrian but may not be the Meir case as it not as sophisticated for some. Whether spirtual journey or otherwise, we have all been rocked in one way or another by some kind of "revealation". It is not incoceivable that this may be played out to groups, communities, culltures and nations and wheter it is natural or premeditated creation of man's doing, the result is the same. We must keep a certain element of our true faculty and wits about us when encountering anything on any level or plain of existance, as to give our all to someone is to lose everything to nothing, we must have an element of removed observance about us. This seems contradictory but what in effcet you are doing is making the "paradigm breaker" greater, more ecstatic, more sfx, more useful. like the high school prom mom says to her daughter; dont give yourself over to easily!

One of the lessons here to learn is thus;

When a stage magician saws a lady in half, we are aware that something is to be learnt or expected as it set on a stage. Our disbelief is momentarily suspended , we are amazed, some people shocked.(when this trick was first performed , women fainted and men stormed the stage to arrest the magician. Now are we going to praise the magician as a living god and create a religion around him? are we going to write this off as a childish game a momentary distraction? Are we going to be amazed and delighted by the spectacle (if it is done well) or throw fruit at the act(if it is badly done)?

are you the type of person that wants to know how the trick is done?
Is the real trick not the sawing in half but getting you to use your imagination?

[NeedForSpeed]

Originally Posted by Majorion

If I may ask, how did you come to this conclusion? is there any proof for this statement?

Based on what he says, he is either connected to former Nazis or Nazi sympathizers. For example:

- Meier promotes racial purity ideals (if you doubt it, check the FIGU forum);
- He states that Hitler was a good person destined to unite the world, but he was "twisted by dark forces";
- There's some anti-semitic sentiment in his writings, especially when Semjase criticizes jews a lot;
- The promotion of population control, but he doesn't says how. Now think, the goal is to first introduce the idea as something valid, and then let others think about solutions;

These are just some the points. His contacts aren't alien at all. They are very human.

Originally Posted by Majorion

Well I can only speak from what I know and have seen for myself. I have witnessed the enormous persecution of Meier first hand countless times. Again, am neither a proponent nor believer in Meier, but theres no doubt hes been subjected to a discrediting campaign, if you see it as a deception, then you obviously haven't witnessed what I did. I can assure you he's been a major target. I don't know why but would like to.

Ok, elaborate on that. What persecution has he suffered? Be specific.

The only things I see are a few skeptics questioning the pictures and that's it. Even the UFO community doesn't seem to question him in a strong manner.

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by NeedForSpeed

Ok, elaborate on that. What persecution has he suffered? Be specific.

The only things I see are a few skeptics questioning the pictures and that's it. Even the UFO community doesn't seem to question him in a strong manner.

Actually, both Stanton Friedman and Jacque Vallee have openly opposed Meier, two prominent figures in UFOlogy, among a host of others.

Because of the many legal issues between the different parties, I would kind of prefer not to say everything I know. But one organization you should look up is IIG WEST.

[eleni]

Originally Posted by pineal-pilot-in merkabah

billy mier met samjase the space nazi or he met a human from an ongoing thule/nazi ww2 base at one of the poles, either way the so called plaidiens are touting the same stuff as the new world order crowd. im not a fan of space nazis or earthly ones..

billy mier is nothing special imo.. he just did his thing well .. prob contacted early on by et but after that smells like bs and marketing to me..

the new world order is a state of reality that is trying to be acheived by a loose collection of secret society members,politicians and business men. ptb/ nwo is just an easy way to put all these goons in one basket, just semantics.
its easier than saying jews, zionists, nazis, masons, templars , illuminati, hollywood, ad infinitum.. when i use these terms its for simplification of something so complex it needs a bgook to explain it all if we were to write it all down every time.

Billy could have very well been a *targeted contactee*- maybe targeted by the Thule society etc; doesn't sound unreasonable to me and perhaps the attempts on his life were made by groups attempting to infiltrate Thule and gain info......

[NeedForSpeed]

Originally Posted by Majorion

Actually, both Stanton Friedman and Jacque Vallee have openly opposed Meier, two prominent figures in UFOlogy, among a host of others.

Because of the many legal issues between the different parties, I would kind of prefer not to say everything I know. But one organization you should look up is IIG WEST.

You were talking about really bad stuff, like attempt of murder and Billy Meier being singled out among other contactees to be especially "handled". Skeptics and disbelievers don't qualify as a campaign against him.

Again, I ask you, what persecution has he suffered? As far as I know questions will always arise when you tell an incredible story, and skeptics will pop up everywhere. Someone who does tell such stories must be prepared to answer them convincingly or give up.

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by NeedForSpeed

You were talking about really bad stuff, like attempt of murder and Billy Meier being singled out among other contactees to be especially "handled". Skeptics and disbelievers don't qualify as a campaign against him.

Again, I ask you, what persecution has he suffered?

You've just answered your own query with the sentences above the question. Again, I repeat myself. There have been people literally out to kill Meier, if you ask why this has been unsuccessful, again, the answer is I don't know. If you ask me why anyone would want him dead anyway, again, I just don't know. That's about the bulk of what I can tell you.

I notice you've evaded the NWO point we were discussing earlier. In fact, I found a thread on ATS that will explain much better than myself, and it turns out I know the guy as well, though completely independent of each other, we seem to be saying the same thing about NWO around the same time, amazingly without any correspondence on the matter:

New World Order : There Is No Such Thing, Architect's of Lies, They Created A Phantom Menace

[NeedForSpeed]

Originally Posted by Majorion

I notice you've evaded the NWO point we were discussing earlier. In fact, I found a thread on ATS that will explain much better than myself, and it turns out I know the guy as well, though completely independent of each other, we seem to be saying the same thing about NWO around the same time, amazingly without any correspondence on the matter:

The NWO is a term used to designate secret societies, illuminati and secret agencies working towards a global government led by an one world leader. Nobody evaded anything, it was answered many times over and not by myself only, but by others as well.

Again, tell us what kind of "persecution" Billy Meier has suffered? He is nothing but a con artist, possibly connected with Nazis or Nazi sympathizers and trying to create a religion around himself as some kind of "Jesus of the new age".

You have been excessively defensive on this matter without giving any substantial evidence. By symbols hidden in plain sight in movies and music alone you can tell that such secret societies are real and they are mocking us at every turn. What is in it for you for trying to hide them?

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by NeedForSpeed

Again, tell us what kind of "persecution" Billy Meier has suffered? He is nothing but a con artist, possibly connected with Nazis or Nazi sympathizers and trying to create a religion around himself as some kind of "Jesus of the new age".

Well I'm sure with that outlook your mind is already made up well in advance. So why repeatedly ask me a question when clearly you already have a strong conviction on the matter. Doesn't look like it makes a difference either way, even though I've answered your question.

Fact is, when you state Meier is a NAZI or pro NAZI sympathizer, its only your speculative theory, and just an opinion.

You have been excessively defensive on this matter without giving any substantial evidence. By symbols hidden in plain sight in movies and music alone you can tell that such secret societies are real and they are mocking us at every turn. What is in it for you for trying to hide them?

I have not once denied that secret societies are real, in fact, I repeatedly mentioned the masons, the illuminati, the zionist movement, bohemian grove, skull and bones, etc.

How are you equating this - in any way shape or form - to me supposedly "trying to hide them"? - if anything I have exposed them.

[nameless]

uhoh;

without meaning to be facitious

with the instigation of Nazis into a topic does this mean i can insinuate, does it count?;

"Godwin's Law"

this thread is now doomed!

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by NeedForSpeed

The NWO is a term used to designate secret societies, illuminati and secret agencies working towards a global government led by an one world leader. Nobody evaded anything, it was answered many times over and not by myself only, but by others as well.

Again, tell us what kind of "persecution" Billy Meier has suffered? He is nothing but a con artist, possibly connected with Nazis or Nazi sympathizers and trying to create a religion around himself as some kind of "Jesus of the new age".

You have been excessively defensive on this matter without giving any substantial evidence. By symbols hidden in plain sight in movies and music alone you can tell that such secret societies are real and they are mocking us at every turn. What is in it for you for trying to hide them?

NeedForSpeed how dare you make Nazi allegations about someone you obviously know nothing about. Any more disrespectful words from you and you will not be welcome on this forum. Consider that a warning!

The fact that many of you are peddling filth on this sceptic thread instead of studying the real evidence here is the real question that needs answering.

[NeedForSpeed]

Originally Posted by Majorion

Well I'm sure with that outlook your mind is already made up well in advance. So why repeatedly ask me a question when clearly you already have a strong conviction on the matter. Doesn't look like it makes a difference either way, even though I've answered your question.

Just answer the question. You have been suggesting things and not giving any clarification about them. I ask, once again, be specific about "persecution" to Billy Meier. Be logical, be rational, be straightforward.

Is it difficult? Skeptics dissecting photos or his stories isn't persecution.

Originally Posted by Majorion

Fact is, when you state Meier is a NAZI or pro NAZI sympathizer, its only your speculative theory, and just an opinion.

I am basing myself on what I read about his case, on the internet and on the FIGU forums. For those who don't know, FIGU is the sect Billy created and the ones who keep the "official" version of his teachings.

There's a similarity between ideals of racial purity, world depopulation and some benevolent view of Nazis and many other things.

I don't have any evidence, but I am saying why I think what I think. Can you do the same?

Originally Posted by Majorion

How are you equating this - in any way shape or form - to me supposedly "trying to hide them"? - if anything I have exposed them.

I mean defending Billy Meier, not them.

[NeedForSpeed]

Originally Posted by Luminari

NeedForSpeed how dare you make Nazi allegations about someone you obviously know nothing about. Any more disrespectful words from you and you will not be welcome on this forum. Consider that a warning!

The fact that many of you are peddling filth on this sceptic thread instead of studying the real evidence here is the real question that needs answering.

Why so defensive?

Others have cited already, Billy Meier supports world depopulation, and racial purity, and believe that Hitler was a genius twisted by dark forces, his teachings portray the jews as some kind of twisted group of people, Moses was in fact some vain person who sought personal fame by his version of things, he claims to be Jesus and Mohammed and others, etc.

Does the truth bother you? What did I say is incorrect?

Judging by how "mysterious" his aliens are, they are probably the invention of people who share some Nazi ideas, maybe Nazis themselves or just sympathizers.

Can you speak sense, or is it too much to ask?

[eleni]

Hmm.....in 1989 I got really into the Meier material......seduced by the material, read it all.......I had photos of his beamships on my living room walls!

As a truthseeker, I am willing to look at all the material and not just believe- there are very real questions that need to be looked at in the Meier case IMO.

What about Poppi admitting she posed with a raygun? The hair matched up quite nicely, then there are the pictures- how can one explain the nail falling off the ship? And that's not the only one.

My conclusion was Billy had some sort of initial contact- but it might be originating from a terrestrial source ( I mentioned Thule). There are just too many loopholes.

[Luminari]

NeedForSpeed:

I have read your debate with Majorion, here. I have been through this so many times before with other people on the internet I am not going to rebut your numerous flawed allegations line by line ad nauseum.

You are welcome to continue your discussion even though it appears you are deliberately re-inforcing the disinformation on this topic and misleading people, I will allow you the benefit of the doubt and you can do your skeptic thing for whatever agenda you are serving. However; please keep the discussion respectful to all involved.

Calling people a Nazi is not acceptable behaviour on this forum nor is any other name calling. Mr Meier has suffered at least 21 assassination attempts on his life and some have been from Neo-Nazi groups so your allegation is very bad taste.

A couple of brief points:

• You may be surprised to learn that keeping the population levels 'balanced' on planets inhabited by space faring civilizations is actually a common practice (one nearby example would be the planets in the trinary Centaurus system) and does not have any sinister connotations. There is a world of difference between expounding this philosophy to Earthlings and actually going out and killing people en masse to reduce the population here which is not something advocated by FIGU, Meier or the Plejaren.
  
  
• It is well known that 'agencies' have planted false pictures in Meier's collection to discredit him and stolen key photos and metal and samples. Another thing that significantly damaged his reputation was the fact that Meier constructed some models of some of the UFO's in order to show the difference between his real photos of Beamships and fake ones involving models etc, this led to some less informed people believing that the models were responsible for ALL such photos which is an inaccuracy.

To leave this discussion on a more positive note;
the spirituality of the Plejaren has seven basic principles:

Oneness
Eternal Spiritual Evolution
Self-Responsibility
Love
Balance
Truth
Equality

They live in a utopian society where peace has reigned for 50,000 years, enjoy a lifespan of 700-1200 years of perfect health and enjoy infinite possibilities for personal growth. There is no poverty, starvation, disease, ecological abuse or war and almost no crime or divorce. They have evolved beyond chronic negative thinking and can communicate telepathically with friends and loved ones wherever they are in the universe. Their starships can travel anywhere and to any time period past present or future. they are motivated by unbounded love to guide less developed races of humans in the Milky Way galaxy to grow and evolve spiritually.