Why I don't have "hope", or "believe" in the "change" of Obama

bodhisattva · 11-23-2008, 11:57 PM

Here is a good article by David Icke, on why I don't "believe" in the "change" and "hope" campaigned by Obama.

His rhetoric never passed my screen test, yet I am amazed at how many people sing his praises.

And let's not forget about all his "transparency" and "accountability" he espoused. Perhaps he may want to start with explaining all his forged documents.

http://www.rense.com/icke1.htm

pineal-pilot-in merkabah · 11-24-2008, 12:10 AM

lots of obamazoids about , you wont get much joy here. if he does what he says about the internet and money theywill shoot him a la kennedy. why would anyone beleive barry satoro from kenya anyway. hes a lame duck personality cult

capreycorn · 11-24-2008, 12:25 AM

if elections could truly change anything, they`d be illegal.

Proletariat · 11-24-2008, 01:39 AM

he alone is the mass manipulator. i do support what he says about progress and change, and unity. they get people's minds in the right place.
but is he just a mass deceiver? even if he is, i think his word does actually some good.

bodhisattva · 11-24-2008, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Proletariat

he alone is the mass manipulator. i do support what he says about progress and change, and unity. they get people's minds in the right place.
but is he just a mass deceiver? even if he is, i think his word does actually some good.

Hi, thanks for your post, but did you read the Icke article? You say, Obama "gets people's minds in the right place"....is under MIND CONTROL the "right place"?

Just like your 2 legged horse, something ain't right with the picture, as cute as they may be.

Cheers.

pineal-pilot-in merkabah · 11-24-2008, 02:39 AM

lets hope they dont attack russia as brzinsky seems to be a proponent of..im not concerned so much about a war as the rumour and illusion of war to create fear.. i mean they can put stuff on a tv screen to make us believe anything.. like the troops gaurding poppies in afghanistan and pretending t5o fight tye taliban... all illusions.. i dont hold much hope for obama but we shall see.

i do agree however with wilcocks assesment that obama may not be fully aware of whats going on.. i dont hold much hope out for what power he can actually excercise and also that mcain was definatly the pick of the satanic euro illuminists.. lyndsey williams said as much in his summer interveiws..

Hanks · 11-24-2008, 05:03 AM

i read this article earlier today. to me icke is always right on the money and a step ahead of most 'conspiracy' theorists when it comes to breaking things down and seeing the bigger picture, lizards or not...

an excellent read

raulduke · 11-24-2008, 09:40 AM

Thanks bodhisattva,

I was trying real hard pre-election to get my firends and family to investigate why they were falling in love w/ Obama. "If something's looks to good to be true......"
I know it's a silly cliche but its' plenty apt. Nobody cared though of course, and all they seemed to have a very low threshold for "faith" in terms of what they actually want to know about the man. He looked and sounded different/good and that seemed to be enough.

I kinda gave up a bit though after all the election night hype. Everyone was so happy, and even though it meant little to me, I could see that they all had the best intentions for the man, so I could be happy about that at least. My friends were all happy so I partied w/ 'em and just told people I was a fellon when they asked who I voted for.

I agreed (w/ myself) to wipe the slate clean for Obama, hoping that he was just "playing the game" to get wher he is.

Well his first move with Emanuel (and now Clinton probably), has quickly dampened my optimism, so I'm still watching close and hoping for the best but I don't have my fingers crossed just yet.

p.s. that's a good looking dog you've got there.

bodhisattva · 11-24-2008, 03:56 PM

p.s. that's a good looking dog you've got there.

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Thanks, just like your little "wonder mutt"....looks like she/he has a lot of Border Collie genes.

I just love the BC.

Squeptikal · 11-24-2008, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Proletariat

he alone is the mass manipulator. i do support what he says about progress and change, and unity. they get people's minds in the right place.
but is he just a mass deceiver? even if he is, i think his word does actually some good.

Yes, he is but another Obaminable Snow Man! How much campaign money did he spend in the past 2 years? Over 700 million estimated, and he received with the intention to deceive over $105 thousand dollars from the Fannie or Freddie MacMae funds.

Anyone who is worthy of consideration such as Ron Paul who are not in the pockets of those truly in charge, so forget about change coming from the presidency.

Unless change to you means a new cabinet from a different faction of the PTB network. No, friends, change must come from within ourselves.

YMMV

Irving · 11-24-2008, 01:49 AM

I see immense parrallels between Adolf Hitler's rise to power and Barrack Obama's rise. I'm quite unsure about David Wilcock's assesment of Barrack to say the least. All signs point to Barrack being a part of the big banking corporatist world takeover. These bailouts and stimulus packages are a weapon of mass destruction for our dollar and our economy. A viable economy needs a balance of production and consumption oriented jobs in order to pay for its imports with exports. America is bankrupt and its service sector and consumer dominated economy is just beginning to collapse all around us and Obama's policies are making it far worse because they are resisting the inevitable at the expense of destroying the dollar's value. After the dust settles, there will only be a few large global institutions left.

I am very open to 2012 and cosmic cycles comming to and end, but I get the feeling that Obama is going to be realized to be a complete horror. Especially if another terror attack were to occur along with the comming economic depression and the average person cries to government for help. I realize that Obama is an indispensible part of the whole and that both positive and negative polarities are required in this grand experiment but I think that Obama has utter disaster written all over him. I hope that I'm wrong. I'm excited to see his "change" though.

freekatz · 11-24-2008, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irving

I see immense parrallels between Adolf Hitler's rise to power and Barrack Obama's rise.

Gosh that's a little far-fetched isn't it? I don't have any blind faith in Obama by any means, as we well know anyone who rises up the ranks in the US is fully owned and manipulated (which is why Kucinich never made it past go

), but personally I felt a huge shift where I live in Florida when Obama won. Gone was that dreadful negative energy of the pro-war Republican agenda.

Whether Obama comes through with any of his promises doesn't matter, it's the boost it has given to people's morale, now the rest is up to us collectively to bring about change...not some puppet politician.

Cheney/Bush were a fine example of parallels to Hitler in almost everything they did - what actions of Obama's are you basing that statement on? Just curious to know.

Would you really rather have seen McCain/Palin win? with all the negativity that would have brought.

macleodmunro · 11-24-2008, 10:08 PM

One parallel that David Icke pointed out is unity.
Nazi Germany had unity. Unity is only good if a nation is unified behind a GOOD leader.

If i was an American i wouldn't of bothered voting.
McCain/Palin was such a bad option that it left everyone with only one choice, since no other candidates had a hope.

Some democracy

P.S. UK has the same farce.

Peace from Paul

Mercuriel · 11-25-2008, 02:56 AM

Hello Everyone...

I'm new here but I am pretty sure I'll be around for a long time. That said - I saw this post and felt I had to comment.

I do agree that what We're seeing now gives Me less hope that Obama will bring the change(s) We want to see. Oh - He'll bring change alright - Its just that the change He'll bring will likely be change I'd wager We'd be better off without.

Please understand Me when I say We do INDEED need change. Its just that with Obama picking up every former Clintonite and Hillary to boot - I'm seeing less of a change and more of the same old same old if Ya know what I mean.

Now here is where I must diverge from the mainstream of what I've seen posted here in this Thread...

I and others have Energetically supported Obama on His rise to the White House but We did this to push things along - Not to see the first Black Man Elected to the Presidency of the United States (Although that was a nice side-deal). The reason We did this was so that the Game could finally wind down. It has been obvious to Me and others that TPTB have selected this Man to be Their Anti-Christ (Their Book - Their Plan/Play | Not Ours)...

Now picture this...

Theres a Play running and Everyone has their part which is to be played at the apppropriate time. For two thousand years TPTB have been winding down Their own clock to this time in Their Play. Their Final act is about to begin and so the Actor playing the AC had to be supported so as to bring this Game to It's conclusion. Remember - This is Their Play not Mine - They're running Their Play by the numbers and Hes Their AC in It - Much like any Actor. He was moulded into this Role - Not created for it like some would have Us believe.

That said - The Board is ready - The Pieces are set. Its now Time to bring up the House Lights and raise the Curtain for the last Act...

As an addendum here. I hope that I and My fellows are wrong and Obama truly does bring the change(s) We seek - But - I believe that to see change - One must be the change They wish to see.

After all - The Harvest this time around is about Mastership - Not Saviourship. That stated - Those needing a Saviour will be provided with one. Just be careful what You wish for - You might get more than You bargained for...

Watching & Waiting...

bodhisattva · 11-25-2008, 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercuriel

Hello Everyone...

I'm new here but I am pretty sure I'll be around for a long time. That said - I saw this post and felt I had to comment.

I do agree that what We're seeing now gives Me less hope that Obama will bring the change(s) We want to see. Oh - He'll bring change alright - Its just that the change He'll bring will likely be change I'd wager We'd be better off without.

Please understand Me when I say We do INDEED need change. Its just that with Obama picking up every former Clintonite and Hillary to boot - I'm seeing less of a change and more of the same old same old if Ya know what I mean.

Now here is where I must diverge from the mainstream of what I've seen posted here in this Thread...

I and others have Energetically supported Obama on His rise to the White House but We did this to push things along - Not to see the first Black Man Elected to the Presidency of the United States (Although that was a nice side-deal). The reason We did this was so that the Game could finally wind down. It has been obvious to Me and others that TPTB have selected this Man to be Their Anti-Christ (Their Book - Their Plan/Play | Not Ours)...

Now picture this...

Theres a Play running and Everyone has their part which is to be played at the apppropriate time. For two thousand years TPTB have been winding down Their own clock to this time in Their Play. Their Final act is about to begin and so the Actor playing the AC had to be supported so as to bring this Game to It's conclusion. Remember - This is Their Play not Mine - They're running Their Play by the numbers and Hes Their AC in It - Much like any Actor. He was moulded into this Role - Not created for it like some would have Us believe.

That said - The Board is ready - The Pieces are set. Its now Time to bring up the House Lights and raise the Curtain for the last Act...

As an addendum here. I hope that I and My fellows are wrong and Obama truly does bring the change(s) We seek - But - I believe that to see change - One must be the change They wish to see.

After all - The Harvest this time around is about Mastership - Not Saviourship. That stated - Those needing a Saviour will be provided with one. Just be careful what You wish for - You might get more than You bargained for...

Watching & Waiting...

Welcome Mercuriel,

In my heart, I think Obama (in the past) could have been a cool guy to party with....he seems hip enough. However, IMO he is NOW under serious mind control, and sheeple really need to understand what that really means, as best we can.

It is truly sad, that we have no chose. WE THE PEOPLE don't have a voice anymore.....we can try to exercise it; as I have in writing to the 9 supreme court judges regarding the pending Obama litigations. We shall see what they conclude.....and I suspect more BS, and more disregard for our constitution....yet, from the SUPREME COURT, there most coveted responsibility is to uphold the Constitution....if they let WE THE PEOPLE down, then we know we are all f**cked, and so it is time for a REVOLUTION....I will not go down with out a fight!

Peace out.

Irving · 11-24-2008, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekatz

Gosh that's a little far-fetched isn't it? I don't have any blind faith in Obama by any means, as we well know anyone who rises up the ranks in the US is fully owned and manipulated (which is why Kucinich never made it past go

), but personally I felt a huge shift where I live in Florida when Obama won. Gone was that dreadful negative energy of the pro-war Republican agenda.

Whether Obama comes through with any of his promises doesn't matter, it's the boost it has given to people's morale, now the rest is up to us collectively to bring about change...not some puppet politician.

Cheney/Bush were a fine example of parallels to Hitler in almost everything they did - what actions of Obama's are you basing that statement on? Just curious to know.

Would you really rather have seen McCain/Palin win? with all the negativity that would have brought.

haha

Yeah I guess it sounds a bit far out, but I stand by it.

If I had to choose the lesser of two evils I guess I would probably choose Obama over McCain/Palin but it's hard to choose between swallowing gasoline or kerosine. You know what I mean? They will both kill you. Or choosing between Coke and Pepsi; they both taste a little different and have different packaging but are essentially just made out of corn syrup and water. I was a Ron Paul supporter myself because he was the only person running for president who understood the economic crisis and the illegitimacy of the Federal Reserve system.

I make that comparison to Hitler's rise because all signs point to Obama being a puppet to the globalists and big bankers and he promises to lift us out of the multiple hardships that the country faces - just like Hitler. The social atmosphere in America today is incredibly similar to Germany pre-hitler. If you look at Obama's biggest contributors they are all the big banks. His administration is being filled up by shady characters as well, such as one of the heads of a Federal Reserve bank who is a chief architect with Hank Paulson behind the bailouts. (His name slips me) And we all know about Brezinski. Also, as I explained in a post above, his socialistic economic policies are going to ensure the destruction of the dollar.

He has been ushered in with an almost messianic feeling as people seem to blindly support his "change". I would argue that he offers no change, only more of the same and will actually make things worse. He will also be president during the years when the New World Order will be emerging in full swing. Global currency is just around the corner if these bankers have their way.

As far as him being a divine miracle in disguise who keeps his "friends close but enemies closer" - I'm open to it but I need more evidence than Wilcock's instincts! haha Lets see what happens I guess.

mysticphoebos · 11-24-2008, 10:43 PM

Anyone who believes this Obama puppet seriously needs there head examined.

symbolon · 11-24-2008, 11:07 PM

Quote:

His rhetoric never passed my screen test, yet I am amazed at how many people sing his praises.

How can they sing his praises? He hasn't done anything yet worthy of praise or am i missing something?

feardia · 11-24-2008, 11:23 PM

David Icke has a good name for the politicians - oppossames, two parties same banksters and ceocracy running the show.

bodhisattva · 11-25-2008, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by symbolon

How can they sing his praises? He hasn't done anything yet worthy of praise or am i missing something?

OBAHHHAHHHMA, that is the song of sheep. There is no need to accomplish anything, just following is good enough for the sheeple....notice how I have a Border Collie?

Tara · 11-25-2008, 06:46 PM

Does anyone on this thread think that Obama would come out and stand up against the PTB in any mass media way, or otherwise? If he supports giving power to the people, how can he truly campaign for that without getting dissappeared? It's a long shot, but if he is fighting the PTB, he has to be very strategic. What would you do? We all know the "sheeple" will not be in the streets until they lose everything. To fix things, once we get to that point, would be a nightmare. Point is, if there are "white hats", they are probably at work now. Again, Kennedy tried to take down the fed and that didn't work out to well for him. It is possible that everyone he is surrounding himself with are political pawns, and/or PTB. It is also possible that even the PTB at some point see the game collapsing. At what point do they get off the ride? When they've lost or before they lose? If Obama is just part of this ongoing manipulation, no one will be surprised. That would be considered status quo in my lifetime. People aren't stupid, they're just hopeful for the first time in a long time.

11-25-2008, 07:06 PM

What did you like about McCain?:

Alexandra

Machinamentum · 11-25-2008, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by capreycorn

if elections could truly change anything, they`d be illegal.

lol

msv · 11-25-2008, 08:04 PM

Daniel Jacobs has added a transmission called:
"A Circle of Rivals"
Worthwhile reading.

Just a note....Tears are a recognition of truth. Never have so many tears been shed by so many people around the world in joy when Obama was elected. That says it all to me.

http://www.reconnections.net/index2.htm

Inkoze · 11-25-2008, 08:13 PM

Bodhisattva,

Probably all any of us will have to do is just wait and see what will happen when/if Obama is sworn in. And, if he is I personally have no doubt whatsoever that those that voted for him will see eventually, if not very very soon that he is just like all the other puppets with you know who pulling the strings....patience my friend. It will play out exactly as it did with Bush I and II ... I only wonder..can Obama be worse than these guys....?....YEs he can and I'm betting he will be!

Time for a revolution? You bet!

Beautiful picture of you and your dog.....
Your eyes reflect kindness and a deep knowing....
that's all I need to know about you....

I'm with you 1000%!

Peace to all....

http://awakentopeaceandlove.blogspot.com/

11-23-2008, 11:57 PM	#1
bodhisattva Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Prescott, AZ Posts: 42	Why I don't have "hope", or "believe" in the "change" of Obama Here is a good article by David Icke, on why I don't "believe" in the "change" and "hope" campaigned by Obama. His rhetoric never passed my screen test, yet I am amazed at how many people sing his praises. And let's not forget about all his "transparency" and "accountability" he espoused. Perhaps he may want to start with explaining all his forged documents. http://www.rense.com/icke1.htm Last edited by bodhisattva; 11-24-2008 at 12:01 AM.

11-24-2008, 12:10 AM	#2
pineal-pilot-in merkabah Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: england Posts: 1,153	Re: Why I don't have "hope", or "believe" in the "change" of Obama lots of obamazoids about , you wont get much joy here. if he does what he says about the internet and money theywill shoot him a la kennedy. why would anyone beleive barry satoro from kenya anyway. hes a lame duck personality cult

11-24-2008, 12:25 AM	#3
capreycorn Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: switzerland Posts: 455	Re: Why I don't have "hope", or "believe" in the "change" of Obama if elections could truly change anything, they`d be illegal.

11-24-2008, 01:39 AM	#4
Proletariat Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: southern california Posts: 35	Re: Why I don't have "hope", or "believe" in the "change" of Obama he alone is the mass manipulator. i do support what he says about progress and change, and unity. they get people's minds in the right place. but is he just a mass deceiver? even if he is, i think his word does actually some good.

11-24-2008, 02:39 AM	#6
pineal-pilot-in merkabah Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: england Posts: 1,153	Re: Why I don't have "hope", or "believe" in the "change" of Obama lets hope they dont attack russia as brzinsky seems to be a proponent of..im not concerned so much about a war as the rumour and illusion of war to create fear.. i mean they can put stuff on a tv screen to make us believe anything.. like the troops gaurding poppies in afghanistan and pretending t5o fight tye taliban... all illusions.. i dont hold much hope for obama but we shall see. i do agree however with wilcocks assesment that obama may not be fully aware of whats going on.. i dont hold much hope out for what power he can actually excercise and also that mcain was definatly the pick of the satanic euro illuminists.. lyndsey williams said as much in his summer interveiws..

11-24-2008, 05:03 AM	#7
Hanks Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bedfordshire, England, UK Posts: 5	Re: Why I don't have "hope", or "believe" in the "change" of Obama i read this article earlier today. to me icke is always right on the money and a step ahead of most 'conspiracy' theorists when it comes to breaking things down and seeing the bigger picture, lizards or not... an excellent read

11-24-2008, 09:40 AM	#8
raulduke Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: USA Posts: 454	Re: Why I don't have "hope", or "believe" in the "change" of Obama Thanks bodhisattva, I was trying real hard pre-election to get my firends and family to investigate why they were falling in love w/ Obama. "If something's looks to good to be true......" I know it's a silly cliche but its' plenty apt. Nobody cared though of course, and all they seemed to have a very low threshold for "faith" in terms of what they actually want to know about the man. He looked and sounded different/good and that seemed to be enough. I kinda gave up a bit though after all the election night hype. Everyone was so happy, and even though it meant little to me, I could see that they all had the best intentions for the man, so I could be happy about that at least. My friends were all happy so I partied w/ 'em and just told people I was a fellon when they asked who I voted for. I agreed (w/ myself) to wipe the slate clean for Obama, hoping that he was just "playing the game" to get wher he is. Well his first move with Emanuel (and now Clinton probably), has quickly dampened my optimism, so I'm still watching close and hoping for the best but I don't have my fingers crossed just yet. p.s. that's a good looking dog you've got there.

11-24-2008, 03:56 PM	#9
bodhisattva Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Prescott, AZ Posts: 42	Re: Why I don't have "hope", or "believe" in the "change" of Obama p.s. that's a good looking dog you've got there.[/QUOTE] Thanks, just like your little "wonder mutt"....looks like she/he has a lot of Border Collie genes. I just love the BC.

11-24-2008, 01:49 AM	#11
Irving Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 71	Re: Why I don't have "hope", or "believe" in the "change" of Obama I see immense parrallels between Adolf Hitler's rise to power and Barrack Obama's rise. I'm quite unsure about David Wilcock's assesment of Barrack to say the least. All signs point to Barrack being a part of the big banking corporatist world takeover. These bailouts and stimulus packages are a weapon of mass destruction for our dollar and our economy. A viable economy needs a balance of production and consumption oriented jobs in order to pay for its imports with exports. America is bankrupt and its service sector and consumer dominated economy is just beginning to collapse all around us and Obama's policies are making it far worse because they are resisting the inevitable at the expense of destroying the dollar's value. After the dust settles, there will only be a few large global institutions left. I am very open to 2012 and cosmic cycles comming to and end, but I get the feeling that Obama is going to be realized to be a complete horror. Especially if another terror attack were to occur along with the comming economic depression and the average person cries to government for help. I realize that Obama is an indispensible part of the whole and that both positive and negative polarities are required in this grand experiment but I think that Obama has utter disaster written all over him. I hope that I'm wrong. I'm excited to see his "change" though.

11-24-2008, 10:08 PM	#13
macleodmunro Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland Posts: 31	Re: Why I don't have "hope", or "believe" in the "change" of Obama One parallel that David Icke pointed out is unity. Nazi Germany had unity. Unity is only good if a nation is unified behind a GOOD leader. If i was an American i wouldn't of bothered voting. McCain/Palin was such a bad option that it left everyone with only one choice, since no other candidates had a hope. Some democracy P.S. UK has the same farce. Peace from Paul

11-25-2008, 02:56 AM	#14
Mercuriel Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Manitoba, Canada Posts: 362	Re: Why I don't have "hope", or "believe" in the "change" of Obama Hello Everyone... I'm new here but I am pretty sure I'll be around for a long time. That said - I saw this post and felt I had to comment. I do agree that what We're seeing now gives Me less hope that Obama will bring the change(s) We want to see. Oh - He'll bring change alright - Its just that the change He'll bring will likely be change I'd wager We'd be better off without. Please understand Me when I say We do INDEED need change. Its just that with Obama picking up every former Clintonite and Hillary to boot - I'm seeing less of a change and more of the same old same old if Ya know what I mean. Now here is where I must diverge from the mainstream of what I've seen posted here in this Thread... I and others have Energetically supported Obama on His rise to the White House but We did this to push things along - Not to see the first Black Man Elected to the Presidency of the United States (Although that was a nice side-deal). The reason We did this was so that the Game could finally wind down. It has been obvious to Me and others that TPTB have selected this Man to be Their Anti-Christ (Their Book - Their Plan/Play \| Not Ours)... Now picture this... Theres a Play running and Everyone has their part which is to be played at the apppropriate time. For two thousand years TPTB have been winding down Their own clock to this time in Their Play. Their Final act is about to begin and so the Actor playing the AC had to be supported so as to bring this Game to It's conclusion. Remember - This is Their Play not Mine - They're running Their Play by the numbers and Hes Their AC in It - Much like any Actor. He was moulded into this Role - Not created for it like some would have Us believe. That said - The Board is ready - The Pieces are set. Its now Time to bring up the House Lights and raise the Curtain for the last Act... As an addendum here. I hope that I and My fellows are wrong and Obama truly does bring the change(s) We seek - But - I believe that to see change - One must be the change They wish to see. After all - The Harvest this time around is about Mastership - Not Saviourship. That stated - Those needing a Saviour will be provided with one. Just be careful what You wish for - You might get more than You bargained for... Watching & Waiting... Last edited by Mercuriel; 11-25-2008 at 02:59 AM.

11-24-2008, 10:43 PM	#17
mysticphoebos Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 27	Re: Why I don't have "hope", or "believe" in the "change" of Obama Anyone who believes this Obama puppet seriously needs there head examined.

11-24-2008, 11:23 PM	#19
feardia Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Uisneach, Ireland Posts: 477	Re: Why I don't have "hope", or "believe" in the "change" of Obama David Icke has a good name for the politicians - oppossames, two parties same banksters and ceocracy running the show.

11-25-2008, 06:46 PM	#21
Tara Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 85	Re: Why I don't have "hope", or "believe" in the "change" of Obama Does anyone on this thread think that Obama would come out and stand up against the PTB in any mass media way, or otherwise? If he supports giving power to the people, how can he truly campaign for that without getting dissappeared? It's a long shot, but if he is fighting the PTB, he has to be very strategic. What would you do? We all know the "sheeple" will not be in the streets until they lose everything. To fix things, once we get to that point, would be a nightmare. Point is, if there are "white hats", they are probably at work now. Again, Kennedy tried to take down the fed and that didn't work out to well for him. It is possible that everyone he is surrounding himself with are political pawns, and/or PTB. It is also possible that even the PTB at some point see the game collapsing. At what point do they get off the ride? When they've lost or before they lose? If Obama is just part of this ongoing manipulation, no one will be surprised. That would be considered status quo in my lifetime. People aren't stupid, they're just hopeful for the first time in a long time.

11-25-2008, 07:06 PM	#22
Alexandra Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Why I don't have "hope", or "believe" in the "change" of Obama What did you like about McCain?: Alexandra

11-25-2008, 08:04 PM	#24
msv Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 102	Re: Why I don't have "hope", or "believe" in the "change" of Obama Daniel Jacobs has added a transmission called: "A Circle of Rivals" Worthwhile reading. Just a note....Tears are a recognition of truth. Never have so many tears been shed by so many people around the world in joy when Obama was elected. That says it all to me. http://www.reconnections.net/index2.htm

11-25-2008, 08:13 PM	#25
Inkoze Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 21	Re: Why I don't have "hope", or "believe" in the "change" of Obama Bodhisattva, Probably all any of us will have to do is just wait and see what will happen when/if Obama is sworn in. And, if he is I personally have no doubt whatsoever that those that voted for him will see eventually, if not very very soon that he is just like all the other puppets with you know who pulling the strings....patience my friend. It will play out exactly as it did with Bush I and II ... I only wonder..can Obama be worse than these guys....?....YEs he can and I'm betting he will be! Time for a revolution? You bet! Beautiful picture of you and your dog..... Your eyes reflect kindness and a deep knowing.... that's all I need to know about you.... I'm with you 1000%! Peace to all.... http://awakentopeaceandlove.blogspot.com/ Last edited by Inkoze; 11-25-2008 at 08:29 PM.