God

[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by eXchanger

I'll bet this was a surprise to NBC.
NBC POLL

Do you believe that the word God should stay in American culture?

NBC this morning had a poll on this question.

They had the highest Number of responses that they have ever had for one of their polls, and the Percentage was the same as this:

86% to keep the words,
IN God We Trust and God in the Pledge of Allegiance

14% against

That is a pretty 'commanding' public response.

I was asked to send this on if I agreed or delete if I didn't ...

Now it is your turn. It is said that 86% of Americans believe the word God should stay.

Therefore, I have a very hard time understanding why there is such a mess about having 'In God We Trust'
on our money and having God in the Pledge of Allegiance..

Why is the world catering to this 14%?

In GOOD GOD, i trust !!!

Those who created money were real slick and gave it all the attributes of the monad.
period of grace
principles
Sense - cents
Change
Current or flow
banks on each side controlling the flow
deposits from external streams
withdrawls from the stream
Then they told us money can be saved
Its saving power made the people start worshiping it as divinity,and now the world is trying to be saved by money ,or trying to save money, the god they trust in.What a trick

[orthodoxymoron]

They don't call it 'The Almighty Dollar' for nuthin...

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work

Those who created money were real slick and gave it all the attributes of the monad.
period of grace
principles
Sense - cents
Change
Current or flow
banks on each side controlling the flow
deposits from external streams
withdrawls from the stream
Then they told us money can be saved
Its saving power made the people start worshiping it as divinity,and now the world is trying to be saved by money ,or trying to save money, the god they trust in.What a trick

Read "Momo" by Michael Ende

[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by Czymra

Read "Momo" by Michael Ende

While you are giving titles on books to read ,do you know what the monad means sir?

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work

While you are giving titles on books to read ,do you know what the monad means sir?

Not sure what you're getting at....

Monad (from Greek μονάς monas, "unit"; monos, "alone"),[2] which according to the Pythagoreans, was a term for God or the first being, or the totality of all beings. Monad being the source or the One meaning without division.

One Source? Not sure why I'm playing this game...

[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by Czymra

Not sure what you're getting at....




One Source? Not sure why I'm playing this game...

There is no game to play.I was wondering why would you recomend a book without giving a reason. Any way i'm done.I don't want to take this thread off topic. Thanks for the response,i've already read the book.

[THE eXchanger]

'God is a concept by which we measure our pain.'
- John Lennon

[THE eXchanger]

The Problem With Creationism By Doug Yurchey

Creationists presuppose that the Supreme God
created the Earth and the rest of the Universe,
the 'heavens and the earth.' Maybe God was not responsible?

Possibly, other life forms built the cosmos. Is GOD as the 'Builder of All' too damn easy of a concept to be true? How does the farthest extent of GOD fit so smoothly into our infinitesimally small brain? The feat is impossible.

How can Creationism be true?

In the Dark Ages, not that long ago, there was only one viewpoint; there was only one agenda. The united Churches of various countries ruled supreme. They were 'God,' exactly as those with too much power feel that they are today.

The Church was a solid, unchanging monolith.

Today, people are financially ruined; back then, they burned you at the stake for any type of heresy. 'They' (authorities) had a full range of public tortures to teach the masses a lesson. This was the Holy Church. They took your money and if you were not careful; they might confiscate everything you own (like the I.R.S.).

This writer must ask a few questions to readers. What time is it? What century is it? Creationism might work for those of the pre-Renaissance. Creationism does not function well in the days of the post-Renaissance. How can any philosophy not include science? How can any view not incorporate some strands of established, scientific truths? We do not have to swallow classic Science or Darwin's version of Evolution, but most real facts clash with general Fundamentalism.

Churches may disregard certain disturbing facts, but would their deity? What kind of God do Creationists have that ignores universal facts? The Supreme God, by definition, has set the universal stage and is aware of every scientific fact in town. Then, anything TRUE is of God; God, that incomprehensible thing that is the Ultimate Scientist? The God-force certainly does not possess the ignorance of men who believed the Earth was flat. Would not God condemn superstitious ignorance and appreciate scientific wisdom? By this logic, if we really want to get closer to religious truths (and God)…then, we should not follow a 'spiritual' way of life…but, a 'scientific' path.

What is wrong with a union of Science and Religion? Answers do not reside exclusively in one camp or the other. There exists only ONE truth and it must stand in-between Evolution and Creationism. Theological truths are not black or white. Eastern philosophies (such as metaphysics, reincarnation, etc.) are middle-truths since they are opposed by Church and State. The point is to not side or place all of your faith in one (Western) extreme or the other. A middle-of-the-road attitude tends to be a correct code. Creationism is a mad, blindfolded monster from the Dark Ages. Any modern person can slay Creationism; even a child.

Why would we want beliefs anywhere near our great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather's views? Remember what time it is. Are we not modern men and women? Remember to keep your eyes and mind open. Too many people have died because they believed they knew the truth and THE CHURCH KILLED THEM!


Giordana Bruno was an Italian philosopher; born in 1548, not far from Mount Vesuvius. His controversial work included a belief that the universe was infinite and the Earth orbited the sun. Bruno became a Dominican priest. He coined the phrase, 'libertes philosophica,' which means the freedom to think/dream and make philosophy. Chief theologians, at the time, and the pope's Inquisition convicted the heretic. He was imprisoned for eight years and then taken to the palace of the Grand Inquisitor in February, 1600. After given numerous opportunities to recant in order to save his life, Bruno refused and was burned at the stake.

'…He suffered a cruel death and achieved a unique martyr's fame. He has become the Church's most difficult alibi. She can explain away the case of Galileo with suave condescension. Bruno sticks in her throat. He is one martyr whose name should lead all the rest. He was not a mere religious sectarian who was caught up in the psychology of some mob hysteria. He was a sensitive and imaginative poet, fired with the enthusiasm of a larger vision of a larger universe...and he fell into the error of heretical belief. For this poet's vision, he was kept in a dark dungeon for years and then taken out to a blazing marketplace and roasted to death by fire! It is an incredible story. The Church will never outlive him.'

Bruno suffered a terrible demise that Copernicus, Galileo and Martin Luther did not have to experience. A 'Giordana Bruno' reference has to do with where the Church is coming from; its godforsaken, cruel history. How many elderly were deemed witches or warlocks and ignited on fire by the Churches? Even Jesus Christ was persecuted and killed for philosophic clashes with Sanhedrin. Isn't it time we question the Church's right-winged Fundamentalism and each aspect of its principles? Could the Church survive against self-Inquisition and righteous judgment? (What freedom to be able to print new views without rocks being thrown!).

Given that prelude…shouldn't we QUESTION the basic, fundamental doctrines of Creationism? Creationism is too simple of a philosophy. It is traditional dogma and passed on opinions from a dim time period. How could Life, the Universe and Everything have been a simple process? Where is some science? Shouldn't complex sciences have been involved? Where is even a glimmering ghost of science in Fundamentalism? The quick formation of Earth by God, Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve were naively accepted as fact by most people before the 20th Century. A modern view should be one that reexamines archaic creeds with future eyes. We should expect the unexpected and prepare to toss old-fashioned conventions in the Recycle Bin.

Author's note: This writer is not an atheist. But, I sure want a true belief-system above the level of a witchdoctor…or more advanced than the 4th Century.

Consider how long the war has been waged between Church and State, Religion and Science or Creationism and Evolution. We can read anti-Creationism information exactly as we can read anti-Evolution information. One side attacks the other as if their viewpoint is the right one and there are, of course, only two choices. In this text, religion or fundamental Creationism will not be criticized because of an Evolutionary point of view. In this text, Darwin Evolution and 'primates' will not be criticized from a Creationist point of view. BOTH Science and Church cannot be correct on the single question of our genesis. We will be in search of one harmonious conclusion that explains the human mystique.

One definition of 'Creationism' is purely a rejection of Darwinism. Because there are those that oppose Darwin and 'Natural Selection,' does not make them Creationists.

'God did it,' should not be a sufficient answer to our unknown origins and the mysteries of the universe. We should demand more as members of a modern age.

Creationists presuppose that the Supreme God created the Earth and the rest of the Universe, the 'heavens and the earth.' Maybe God was not responsible? Possibly, other life forms built the cosmos. Is GOD as the 'Builder of All' too damn easy of a concept to be true? How does the farthest extent of GOD fit so smoothly into our infinitesimally small brain? The feat is impossible.

Creationists believe that our planet is a matter of thousands of years old and not billions as is the scientific belief. Known, biological life on the planet is probably tens of thousands of years old. The age of Earth is a different story. Our Earth, old 'terra firma,' has experienced a vast scope of time. Who says our ancestors were the planet's first kingdom? Lemuria or Mu, the starting-empire of the Asian Race, precedes the Indian civilizations of Atlantis and was centered in the Pacific Ocean. We can extrapolate other, possibly alien empires living and dying out long before the Lemurians. Slight traces of intelligent societies, hundreds of thousands of years ago, have been ignored or given no credibility by scientists. Unfathomable civilizations could have come and gone on terra a million years ago when conditions were utterly different than what Earth is like today.

A literal few thousand years from the beginning of the Earth to its final form does not sound plausible, naturally. But, if planet-builders (Slartybartfast in 'Hitchhiker's Guide…') were capable of manufacturing entire worlds, then creatures would be churning planets out of gigantic factories in space. Whatever means of planetary integration or materialization, the birth of Earth and other worlds might not be natural/slow-moving events. Planetoids may have been quickly built, SYNTHETIC constructions. Venus and our Moon break most laws of physics and reason. Yet, enigmatic Venus and Luna continue as unbelievable oddities in the heavens. Study photos of Saturn's moon Iapetus if students want to observe a cosmic body that is ARTIFICIAL. We can visually see its unnaturalness. Very close examination shows irregular, but unnatural architecture!


The possibility exists that planets could have been erected in thousands of years or LESS, but not by the fire and brimstone God of the Christians. Advanced humans, aliens or any number of high-tech angels might be in charge of manufacturing planets. Have the gods seeded a human-culture on Earth? Do aliens own the planet? Is Earth their property? Are we? Strange at it sounds; there are aspects of fundamental Creationism that could have its true points. If planets and moons are 'artificial' constructions, then their fabrication into existence did not require billions of years as naturalists contend.

Naturalists may be 'barking up the wrong tree' when they erroneously view an unnatural world and only see a lifeless universe. Maybe the infinite universe is filled with more than gas, dust and debris? Maybe nature and the universe are alive? Life could be everywhere. What if every molecule of nature, from atoms to cosmic bodies, is unnatural and has been synthetically produced? What if we only presume nature comes naturally?

Religious Fundamentalists may be correct when they say we began in the Garden of Eden. Did Atlantean geneticists clone people in a garden called Eden? Were Adam and Eve clones that emerged out of a lab? What if Biblical Creation was a simplified story that is 'basically' true? How do you inform yesterday's distant descendants of ancient history? How could future generations, whose technology had plummeted to the Dark Ages, understand anything of their amazing heritage? Prehistory was similar to a sci-fi epic that would interest the likes of George Lucas. In fact, we may have already seen prehistory (generally) portrayed on the big screen in 'Attack of the Clones.'

If future generations of ancient astronauts lost their high-tech and fell upon barbaric times, their primitive descendants could not conceive the phenomenal story of the first/great Indian Societies. The complex world of yesterday was gone. Now, there only remain savage barbarians of the Dark Ages. Historic stories, records, myths, legends and memories from long ago had to be simplified for a much simpler age of people. Idyllic EDEN might be a true report of a far, buried memory. Our beginning was a Paradise. The 'Garden of Eden,' the 'forbidden fruit,' the 'serpent'…could be watered-down ways of telling ancient tales of history to new, naive generations. Were the 'forbidden fruits' highly destructive weapons, the fruits of knowledge? Was it a Tree of Knowledge (technology) that could be used for good or evil purposes? Did the long echoes of time change a complex Homer's Odyssey into a simple, children's story? We have to stop being childish. We have to start thinking for ourselves and finding our own answers. We have to stop being sheep.

Biblical Eden parallels legendary Atlantis. Consider these two legends. Plato wrote of Atlantis, our mother-civilization. Psychic, Edgar Cayce confirmed Atlantis as the root race that later split into the Pre-Egyptians and Pre-Incas. Both stories were the beginning genesis for the human race. Both stories of a technical utopia and garden paradise similarly coincide. Atlantis and Eden could be reflections of the same story or same historic events; one record of real happenings and one told to simpler generations to come. Both legends suffered a disastrous end as humanity had to depart in disgrace.

Author's note: How can there truly be any separation between Church and State? The idea of a 'separation' is fallacy, an illusion, a convenient mask to what is really going on in the world. Secret, governing bodies are a two-headed snake; Church and State.

The problem with Creationism is not that it is wrong. (As this writer's tongue gags-in- mouth), 'In many cases, Creationism is correct and has it right. The problem is a simple, easy, uncomplicated, basic, almost superstitious viewpoint of traditional Fundamentalism does incredible damage.' Even if religious Creationism has valid points, to dilute the fantastic occurrences of prehistory into a pale fable for the masses (fraught with misconceptions) causes immeasurable harm. It has created a billion simpletons, the religious-right that could not be more wrong.

'God is a concept by which we measure our pain.'
- John Lennon

Doug Yurchey can be reached at: dugko @ surfside.net

(he's an old email friend)

[orthodoxymoron]

The Creationism Article was really good. I suspect that when the dust settles...both the Fundamentalist Creationists and the Evolutionary Atheists will have equally red faces. I'm suspecting the physical and spiritual evolution of everything...intermingled with alien genetic engineering (intelligent design)...and the existence of a 'most powerful' but not 'all powerful' God...who may be periodically elected to serve a set term (someone's gotta do it). I still suspect that the classic caricature of God (and Satan?) was created by Satan to control the human race...which would fit nicely into a NWO scenario. It doesn't pay to be too shrill regarding God, Life, the Universe, and Everything. It just doesn't pay.

[THE eXchanger]

yes, apparently
i was once given info
that over 1/3 of the world,
doesn't believe in any GOD,
and, that group; has a great ability to shift the consciousness
on the earth

good god, imagine that

and, yes, there is a good amount of info ; in that article i posted

thanks for the heads up, on it ... that is appreciated

[THE eXchanger]

TOSSING SOMEONE ELSE'S IDEAS into the hat

you got to love these people who are full of **** & vinegar
that start these chat groups on yahoo...
although, i do NOT agree with all that they say

they certainly have quite a viewpoint !!!

_______________________________________________

The following is what anyone has to do in order to be very
godly and angelic in this lifetime:
DO UNTO OTHERS WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR OTHERS
TO DO UNTO YOU/DON'T DO ANYTHING TO OTHERS
THAT YOU DON'T WANT OTHERS TO DO UNTO YOU;

love everyone; forgive everyone; do not judge or condemn others; always think, talk, and act positively; never live life with great and constant fears; always go with the positive flow of things in life; and always listen to, believe in, and obey all of the good/positive thoughts, urges, feelings, and instincts that we receive on a 24 hour, 7 days a week basis.

If we don't do those things, and especially the last one, then bad things will always happen in our lives.

By the way, the purpose of life for all life-forms is to always do and learn new things in life in order to avoid becoming bored and stagnant in life, and the purpose of life is to also always have fun in life, as long as our fun activities don't purposely harm or hurt anyone, and also as long as our fun activities don't purposely violate the godly, and angelic rights and freedoms of others.

Furthermore, everything that we think, say, and do in life will always come back to us. If we plant good seeds (thoughts, words, and actions) in life, then we will get good crops/results in life, and if we plant bad seeds (thoughts, words, and actions), then we will get bad results/crops in life. In otherwords, what goes around, comes around.

Although we have to be willing to forgive others that do wrong to us and others, we must not be fools by allowing wrong-doers to continue doing wrongs to us on a consistent and regular basis. Either we have to avoid those wrong-doers if we can, or we have to defend ourselves against those wrong-doers, especially if they unjustifiably attack us in some ways. If we can't fight them, then we will have to let god or gods and the angels fight them for us, and especially if we don't believe in violence. However, we sometimes will have to use violence in order to protect ourselves from wrong-doers. For example, we might have to hurt or kill someone who breaks into our homes to rob, hurt, and kill us, and we might have to kill insects (such as mosquitoes, fleas, ticks, germs, etc.) that try to unjustifiably attack and bite us.

Furthermore, we must never let people use or abuse us, or take advantage of us because of our niceness and kindness.

If there is only one god, then why are there many different religions and bibles in existence? Why do people and countries always argue, fight, and kill each other over their different beliefs of their different bibles, churches, and religions?

Let us now get rid of all of those different bibles, churches, and religions so that we can now adopt the above universal godly/angelic rules/laws that are appropriate for all life-forms on Earth and everywhere else, regardless of what bible, church, religion, preacher/priest that you believe in.

I will now add some more things to this new bible that we can live by:

1. Ask and ye shall receive, or ask and it shall be given to you.

2. Seek and ye shall find.

3. Always just take one step, and one day at a time.

4. If we had the faith of a mustard seed, then we can do all types of miracles, or if we had the faith of a mustard seed, we could move mountains. Jesus also said, "The things that I do, you can also do and even greater."

5. Why worry about the mote that is in someone else's eye when you have a beam in your own eye.

6. Let he who has never sinned cast the first stone of judgment/condemnation against another sinner.

7. Man, animals, and insects should stop killing and eating each other for food. Instead, man, animals, and insects should eat only fruits, nuts, grain foods, and vegetables.

8. Always keep your mind on what you are doing whenever you perform any tasks, especially when you are using and operating very dangerous machines, and equipment because a lot of accidents happen during those times when people don't have their minds on what they are doing.

9. When we rush, we often forget something or make some mistakes.

I now want to end this new bible with the following comments that I and nobody else created many years ago: According to what traditional religious preachers/priests, teachers, and believers teach, preach, and believe, God ordered and supported the sacrificial killing of an innocent man, Jesus, on the cross so that man could be saved from sins, such as murder, after God had already said, via the TEN COMMANDMENTS, that thou shall not kill.

As you can see, the killing of Jesus on the cross is very hypocritical and non-logical. Only an evil, mis-guided, blood-thirsty god believes in evil blood-thirsty sacrificial killings of innocent life-forms, such as Jesus, and animals that were often sacrificed in the bible. Furthermore, only evil/negative misguided people believe in such evil/negative blood-thirsty sacrificial killings of innocent life-forms.

I, kentstarchild, will now take credit for creating this new bible of this message. I could also add much more to this new bible, but I will leave it alone for now. If you want to read another similar paper of mine, then read my paper that is called HOW TO BE SAFE, HAPPY, AND SUCCESSFUL IN LIFE. It can be found in the Files section of my below group of Lightworker-Psychic-ET-Hangout that I created in June 2005.

kentstarchild

12-27-2008

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lightw...hic-ET-Hangout

[MyShadow]

It is always interesting when this subject is dicussed in public forums. There will always be an infinite supply of perspectives, and one's that make a stand, quote articles, religions or other things to project their beliefs as the "truth".

I think the history of the US is eternally linked to leveraging the idea of 'God' to embrace it's freedom - therefore the phrasing of 'God' in our culture's pledges, songs, tag lines etc. is really just a memoir to our legacy of freedom. I think this perspective gets merged with religious beliefs and hence takes on this debate - which seems to resurface everytime our nation is facing a challenge - interesting huh? Sort of like the child protesting to the parent - "but you promised - - and where are you now?"!

I think if you choose to stay open and examine all of these perspectives, there is a striking commonality to the idea of 'God'. But many can't see that because they get stuck on their objections to the messengers - Ie 'Jesus is the truth' or 'Allah is the one' or 'the Angels say' or 'the Federation of light says' (not picking on these ideas - just a few examples).

Yes, everyone forms their own beliefs and ways of substantiating those beliefs. You can only hold your own truth, and you can only know your own truth by bumping up against the contrasting beliefs. So back to the point of freedom - you are eternally free to create and hold your own truth.

For me, this is more important than chasing down the evidence of God.

[THE eXchanger]

perhaps, we need to tap into THE GOOD GOD, that is within, each and everyone of us, and, shine it out, so, everyone can see it !!!

if we did that, GOOD GOD, we would live in GOOD TiMEs

[MyShadow]

Susan - totally agree

And by the way, some of us are already there - care to join?

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by MyShadow

Susan - totally agree

And by the way, some of us are already there - care to join?

(((myshadow)))

one of the good old threads, that sunk

rising its head again

So, what is

"GOOD GOD" ???

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by Aloe

Need to forget the 'GOOD' and forget the 'BAD'. GOD is about BALANCE.

i call GOD - "GOOD GOD"

[Moxie]

Is Good God like saying Good Christian... ever wonder why so many say "oh he is a good christian"< like wtf are bad christians?

Czymra, I miss you, please come back!

One can trace that Allah and Yahweh are one and the same.
Worshipers of Saturn whether you are aware or not!....
Funny is it?now that we are The enemy of Islam and vice versa...

PEOPLE<<< WAKE UP and engage the heart!

So, is it a neutral stance to say GOD...< no name, no one knows the connections...the origin of their understanding of god.... what society you from huh?... just say God, it's okay,.. okay?? okay! You know, G O D there's only one right?

hello in there? God is the source of all sentient beings... so what's the problem here???

Engage the heart!

[MyShadow]

LOL ((Susan))- Here we go - one year later.

Is there only one God? Is it personal? Do we need tangible evidence? Perhaps there are many? Perhaps it's just a concept for something our language cannot describe so - we package it up as a singularity so we can relate to it? On and on we can go on this one - but there is no singular "truth" in the minds of many on this one. Only resonance across many. So it is so in many definitions across many resonance points.

"Good" is a relative term - eh? My good may be your bad, and my bad - well, it can mean many different things.

What is the good God? Perhaps it's a reflection of qualities we all seek to experience within - across the many resonance points - such as peace, wisdom, compassion, joy, wellbeing, love, abundance, tolerance, etc.

When I said last year - "I'm already there". That is really what I meant - I have found those qualities within and let me say, when you turn your focus towards that reflection, it magnifies through you and outward towards those around you as well. You begin to find yourself in your experience inspired - and inspiring.

So, I'll leave it here and will check back on this thread in December 2010 to see what new God's emerge.