Warning! Proton Accelerator = Black hole september 10th?

[andromeda]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7600966.stm

So true, cheers!

[skysurfer]

I have secret information.....
Note the date of the Collider switch - on - ONE DAY BEFORE THE ANNIVERSARY OF 911 TWIN TOWERS!
My private informant - a scientist working on the project - tells me there is an experiment within an experiment to travel back in time and change things.
You will all wake up on Thursday and 911 won't have happened - or something like that......
Well - to be honest dudes....I've just made all that up - or rather the idea came in an email from my pal Phil.....
Just keeping everybody on their toes on this rainy morning in Bournemouth.....
Dave

[I_Am]

http://twitter.com/cern

I guess as long as they are blogging, Geneva is still there...

[firstfruit]

Read the Nancy Williams story here

http://projectcamelot.org/nancy_williams.html

If you read the story you will learn they have had this technology and other types of weaponry energy weapons that would cause a massive earthquake like the one in china and the massive tsunami in Burma.

The two biggest producers of rice on the planet the food riots your media with the blessing of your government have blissfully kept you ignorant of well what you don’t know can not hurt you until your government need it to

[Midnight Oil]

Oh boy ohh boyy!!!.....just hours after this cern testing thing, a mojor 7.5 quake hits Iran......damn.. so many things we do not know...

[Andre]

Massive particle collider passes first key tests

GENEVA - The world's largest particle collider passed its first major tests by firing two beams of protons in opposite directions around a 17-mile (27-kilometer) underground ring Wednesday in what scientists hope is the next great step to understanding the makeup of the universe.

After a series of trial runs, two white dots flashed on a computer screen at 10:26 a.m. (0826 GMT) indicating that the protons had traveled clockwise along the full length of the 4 billion Swiss franc (US$3.8 billion) Large Hadron Collider — described as the biggest physics experiment in history.

"There it is," project leader Lyn Evans said when the beam completed its lap.

Champagne corks popped in labs as far away as Chicago, where contributing and competing scientists watched the proceedings by satellite.

Five hours later, scientists successfully fired a beam counterclockwise.

Physicists around the world now have much greater power to smash the components of atoms together in attempts to learn about their structure.

"Well done, everybody," said Robert Aymar, director-general of the European Organization for Nuclear Research, to cheers from the assembled scientists in the collider's control room at the Swiss-French border.

The organization, known by its French acronym CERN, began firing the protons — a type of subatomic particle — around the tunnel in stages less than an hour earlier, with the first beam injection at 9:35 a.m. (0735 GMT).

Eventually two beams will be fired at the same time in opposite directions with the aim of recreating conditions a split second after the big bang, which scientists theorize was the massive explosion that created the universe.

"My first thought was relief," said Evans, who has been working on the project since its inception in 1984. "This is a machine of enormous complexity. Things can go wrong at any time. But this morning has been a great start."

He didn't want to set a date, but said that he expected scientists would be able to conduct collisions for their experiments "within a few months."

The collider is designed to push the proton beam close to the speed of light, whizzing 11,000 times a second around the tunnel.

Scientists hope to eventually send two beams of protons through two tubes about the width of fire hoses, speeding through a vacuum that is colder and emptier than outer space. The paths of these beams will cross, and a few protons will collide. The collider's two largest detectors — essentially huge digital cameras weighing thousands of tons — are capable of taking millions of snapshots a second.

The CERN experiments could reveal more about "dark matter," antimatter and possibly hidden dimensions of space and time. It could also find evidence of the hypothetical particle — the Higgs boson — which is sometimes called the "God particle" because it is believed to give mass to all other particles, and thus to matter that makes up the universe.

The supercooled magnets that guide the proton beam heated slightly in the morning's first test, leading to a pause to recool them before trying the opposite direction.

The start of the collider came over the objections of some who feared the collision of protons could eventually imperil the Earth by creating micro-black holes, subatomic versions of collapsed stars whose gravity is so strong they can suck in planets and other stars.

"It's nonsense," said James Gillies, chief spokesman for CERN.

CERN was backed by leading scientists like Britain's Stephen Hawking , who declared the experiments to be absolutely safe.

Gillies told the AP that the most dangerous thing that could happen would be if a beam at full power were to go out of control, and that would only damage the accelerator itself and burrow into the rock around the tunnel.

Nothing of the sort occurred Wednesday, though the accelerator is still probably a year away from full power.

The project organized by the 20 European member nations of CERN has attracted researchers from 80 nations. Some 1,200 are from the United States, an observer country that contributed US$531 million. Japan, another observer, also is a major contributor.

Some scientists have been waiting for 20 years to use the LHC.

The complexity of manufacturing it required groundbreaking advances in the use of supercooled, superconducting equipment. The 2001 start and 2005 completion dates were pushed back by two years each, and the cost of the construction was 25 percent higher than originally budgeted in 1996, Luciano Maiani, who was CERN director-general at the time, told The Associated Press.

Maiani and the other three living former directors-general attended the launch Wednesday.

Smaller colliders have been used for decades to study the makeup of the atom. Less than 100 years ago scientists thought protons and neutrons were the smallest components of an atom's nucleus, but in stages since then experiments have shown they were made of still smaller quarks and gluons and that there were other forces and particles.

[timelord]

well its past the 10th of sept here. and as i have posted elsewhere we are still here. no time dilation. no black holes. no portals in the sky for extra dimensional aliens to invade from (as far as i know). nothing not a dam blip of activity. looks like sep is still a no show for anything decisive good or bad.

[Andre]

Cern special: The 9 billion dollar question

Today, mankind’s greatest experiment begins as the Large Hadron Collider powers up. The cost is huge, the scale is massive – and the discoveries could be enormous. But, asks Andy McSmith, what does it all add up to?

It was Oscar Wilde who declared that "all art is useless" – which was not a condemnation, but a proclamation. If you want to create something of beauty, he meant, do not be distracted by people who ask what it is for. On that basis, whatever emerges from the £4.4bn experiment that begins today in the vast complex built at the Cern – The European Organisation for Nuclear Research – laboratory near Geneva, where infinitesimally small particles travelling at mind-boggling speeds will crash together with so much force that they almost replicate the Big Bang, could be called the most expensive work of art in human history.

Mathematicians and physicists have a sense of the aesthetic, as surely as poets and dramatists. In Einstein's theory of relativity or Kepler's laws of planetary motion, they see works of great simplicity and beauty. What they long for now is a simple and beautiful "theory of everything" that will explain the whole of physics, from the movement of galaxies to the behaviour of subatomic particles, because there is a hole in theoretical physics which causes more distress to the 6,500 scientists working on Cern's Large Hadron Collider (LHC) than the scary speculation about the black hole that some people think will swallow up earth if their experiment goes wrong.

At present, anything big enough for us to see, from a star to a speck of dust, is known to obey one set of physical laws, but at the subatomic level, among those unimaginably tiny particles that are the building blocks of the universe, another set of laws apply. No one has definitively reconciled the two.

Moreover, the best explanation the human race has so far devised for explaining the behaviour of subatomic particles, the so-called Standard Model, is not a work of art, it is a monstrosity. Whereas Einstein's equation relating mass to energy is expressed in just characters, E=mc2, writing out the Standard Model goes on for page after ugly page of symbols.

And even then, it leaves an awkward gap. Put it this way: if you walked beneath the window of a school classroom, and a pupil dropped a feather on your head, you would not mind; but if he dropped a brick, that would hurt, because a brick is heavy and a feather is light. But not according to the Standard Model, because nowhere in the theory is there any indication that particles have mass. Down there among the subatomic particles, all is seemingly weightless. That is very annoying for those great artists who poke at the boundaries of theoretical physics. They want to know why, in the trillionth of a second after it all began with the Big Bang, stuff came into existence where there had been no stuff before. One answer, worked out in theory, assumes the existence of something called the Higgs boson, or more fancifully, the God particle.

To you or me, Higgs boson – if it exists – is so unimaginably tiny that it is no surprise no instrument has found it; but in the subatomic world, it is a monster, a particle so much vaster than all those quarks, Z bosons and other subatomic oddities that it can only exist for an immeasurable fraction of a second before it disintegrates.

Even the LHC will not catch a Higgs boson, if it exists. What the physicists expect, however, is that the machinery will pick up proof that a Higgs boson was there for a fraction of a microsecond, from the debris left behind from its disintegration.

If that happens, science has taken a giant leap forward. We will know something that previously we only supposed. Conversely, if the vast experiment at Cern does not produce a Higgs boson, the theoretical physicists will have to retrace their steps and think a whole new explanation for life, the universe and everything. But cosmologists – who study the biggest things in the universe – are hoping that the unprecedented experiment in Geneva will uncover "supersymmetric particles", because if they exist, they turn the key to one of the great mysteries of outer space – why are galaxies 10 times heavier that they appear to be?

There are two ways of estimating the total mass of a galaxy. You can either study what you can see, and deduce its total mass, or you can study the movement of the stars on the outermost edge of the galaxy, and calculate the gravitational pull. It has been done many times, and each time one of the two methods is used it produces a different result from the other. The discrepancies have been so consistent that the only satisfactory answer is that there is a vast amount of matter in the universe that has mass, but which cannot be seen or detected.

In truth we cannot know what the experiment will throw up. When the particles start to collide in the LHC in October, they will generate an energy that will be like concentrating the energy from a head on collision between two high-speed electric trains into a pinpoint. The theory that the world will vanish in a black hole is only one of the fanciful suppositions about what will happen next. Another is that time travellers will use the wormhole in the space-time continuum generated in the LHC to pay us a visit. Professor Keith Mason, chief executive of the Science and Technology Facilities Council said: "I believe we are poised on the threshold of a new age of physics. Scientists waiting for the LHC dare to ask the biggest questions that exist in modern science. They want to test our understanding of the universe and find out if dark matter exists, whether the four dimensions of space-time are it or in fact there are eleven dimensions! They want to know why some particles have mass and some, like particles of light, don't.

"Using the four detectors... we will be able to look at these mysteries that go to the fundamental nature of the universe."

To the question "what is the use of it all?", the short answer is that it is "useless – but not for long". "No one knows exactly what new fields of knowledge the LHC will open up to us," says Dr Robert Kirby-Harris, chief executive of the Institute of Physics. But he forecasts that; "the technological payback will be huge. The need to deal with the vast quantities of data the LHC will produce has already resulted in new grid technology to increase storage and capacity, and improve the capacity of the internet to carry more and more data. And I have no doubt that this will encourage more school students to study physics – exactly what the UK needs to ensure a vibrant future."

And anyone who objects to having nearly £5bn of European taxpayers' money spent on a plaything for boffins should consider this: years ago, the scientists at Cern wanted to improve the means by which they communicated by computer with other scientists around the world, so they designed the World Wide Web. Then they gave the technology away, for nothing. Consider how much money has been made from that free gift... and stop complaining.

[clayman]

Originally Posted by Free-UFO-Videos

Yes, CERN and the LHC (Large Hadron Collider)

$4.4 Billion Pounds to build.

Stupid idiots they are.
They can't even stop plastic polluting the oceans.
They can't even get off oil and gasoline.
They can't even talk about outer space properly.
They can't even teach Love and Care at schools.
They can't even let women stay at home with the kids
doing hobbies, because they want to TAX everyone!!!
They can't even stop using Nuclear Power Stations.
They can't even stop tobacco corporations or similar,
developing mind control technology in secret.

They just spend 4.4 billion pounds to see what happens
after the big bang. Risking making black holes.

No wonder 57+ different species of extraterrestrials are watching!!!

hehehe this one made me laugh =) But I do agree, its absurd to pay 4.4 billions to shoot some atoms at each other and se what happens, when the world is basicly ******, nice priorities, i must say... retards throwing ice cubes at the sun....


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There is an interesting paper recently posted questioning the validity of black hole theory.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/thunderblogs/index.htm

Bringing The Black Hole Fallacy Into Focus
Sep 07 ~ Stephen J. Crothers

I'm not a physicist, but the man's questions seem to be valid ones.

Can anyone address this subject?

Yup, the LHC started up and we're all still stuck here.

Of course we have to wait for another 30 days before they start the real serious stuff, like the actual particle smashing.

There's hope for the Apocalypse yet!
/snark

[Andre]

Originally Posted by dad2059

Yup, the LHC started up and we're all still stuck here.

Of course we have to wait for another 30 days before they start the real serious stuff, like the actual particle smashing.

There's hope for the Apocalypse yet!
/snark

You mean let's hope that this is not the Apocalypse.

You mean let's hope that this is not the Apocalypse

I was being a smart-ass, as to snark doomsayers.

Stephan Hawking made a $100 bet that the Higgs Boson won't be found.

I agree, it's good odds that Hawking is right.

But as Arthur C. Clarke once said, " If an elderly but distinguished scientist says that something is possible, he is almost certainly right; but if he says that it is impossible, he is very probably wrong. "

[timelord]

im pretty sure were all tripping on nothing here. im sure the powers that be want to keep milking this little heard of sheep for some time yet.

And if all the reports are true that aliens want to harvest this planet. im sure they wouldnt allow black holes to be formed. if black holes even exist. there is a documentary called thunderbolts of the gods(google vid it), which postulates an electric universe and in that model black holes are not super dense collapsed stars but some sort of energy vortex connecting galaxies or some such thing. either way made alot of sense in the doco.

so in short there is too much invested in this planet for the controllers to be allowed to blow it up. if i was a betting man i would bet that the only thing the LHC would do is tear a hole is space time. open a gateway for something or someone again sounds like fantasy but nor more unbelievable than black holes being formed. and as with a tear in space time it would not be global just local so we would have to be there to see if it did anything. and from what i hear its pretty remote.

long story short im sure we will be ok. i would be more concerned with nukes going off

[I_Am]

And Indonesia.
And Japan.

Coincidences?

Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

Oh boy ohh boyy!!!.....just hours after this cern testing thing, a mojor 7.5 quake hits Iran......damn.. so many things we do not know...

[corvo]

Originally Posted by I_Am

And Indonesia.
And Japan.

Coincidences?

and Chile

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...TtVNQD9340C1G0

[RobMon]

For up-to-date information on quakes:

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/

if people wish to has serious discussion then Please cut down on posting superstitious nonsense.

i wish to also state that if Anyone speaks for me or attempts to paraphrase/quote what i have told them.. it may not be reliable or accurate information. i have been misquoted, etc. quite often.

Best Wishes,

"Henry Deacon"

[ForsakenFalcon]

being humorish here but all this is a ALLFULL lot like a block buster video game lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXrYSEOg3Ro

[Kahunamahalo]

Oooh, here it is September 11th and I'm still here.

[majorlee]

Earthquakes happen all over the world by nature and maybe some by that freaky HARRP project the got over in Alaska

all they have done so far is send particles and made them go faster

and even to say it creates black holes is superstition since we cannot prove black holes exist - just like the big bang...we cannot prove that happened either - i for one of many beleive the universe has always been here in INFINITY constantly changing and there was never a big bang.

All there experiments of smashing and destroying could make bad news for life on the infinitly small - they could be destroying universes/galaxy's/whole civilisations without realising this

why dont we spend 9 billion on a machine that builds other machines? kinda like a molecular 3D printer instead of destroying things...

[I_Am]

I lean towards Tessla here...
HAARP is all about frequencies and resonance.

I am very convinced that one of the LHC clues lies in the same area. The length of the circle * speed of the particles * mass of particles * number of sweeps = energy * frequence = VERY INTERESTING RESULTS!

But, what do I know about these things? The only one who really was open whith theses theories was the old Serbian fellow Tessla...and he was litterally destroyed and humiliated, wasn't he?

[Alcyone11]

I stumbled upon another view from William Henry of the project LHC.
Maybe they are creating a wormhole...

http://www.williamhenry.net/art_dis-cerning.html

[I_Am]

Great and terrifying reading! Thx for the link.

[cuppa T]

Conclusive proof that the LHC has created a black hole that swallowed us:

http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html