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What exactly is "Spirit"? |
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spirituality is the quest to experience spirit, and encompases anything related to it..
spirit... is an essence, a source... the ultimate |
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Excellent question Animos.
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and more important... I would like to know what you people mean by "soul". What exactly is a Soul? |
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Now concerning this thread, here are a few other ideas to think about. On another personal note, and concerning what it seems many are calling spirituality, or thinking what it means, the base word spirit, means a force or invisible power, IE wind. One thing I do know about is what many have termed the Holy Spirit, that which is talked about in the bible. It is interesting to note that while many are required to gather for a spiritual meditation to try to accomplish something, the bible says if; "you" (singular) have faith (trust) the size of a mustard seed you could cause a mountain to be lifted up and cast into the sea. This spirit, power, flows through a person, guess it's kind of like the "force". As near as I can figure from what the bible says about this Holy Spirit it seems to be an energy force, like electricity, only with a personality and an attitude. |
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Do you mean that the more you learn, the more you rely on your physical senses and realize you are doing so? If so, do you regard it as an enablement or an obstacle? Or do you mean that the more you learn, the more you realize that you rely on your physical senses to the exclusions of other perceptions of which you are becoming aware? If so, do you find this empowering? Troubling? |
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This is an interesting thread. The question is something I suppose most people have asked themselves at least casually, and here we really are wrestling with these concepts and what they mean to us. Well done, y'all! I notice a lot of the discussion revolves around definitions. All the words - soul, knowledge, spirituality - are actually pretty hard to pin down, aren't they. The older I get, the more I realize that definitions, while useful, are limiting and never absolute. It seems better to me to search out examples of what people mean when they use these words, and listen to what the concept sounds like. I arrive at a holistic definition - which first and foremost I know is my definition and may work fine for me and not so well for you. I can think of two good examples. Read any of the world's great religious scriptures, and unless you are a specialist in ancient languages you are probably reading a translation, with all the loss of nuance and depth implied. It's like the enzymes being destroyed in cooked food. And yet, with even a minimal amount of study, one is capable of being transported by the depth and beauty of the revealed message. This is because the meaning is holistic and does not fully depend on the printed word. The second example is a simple fact that everyone knows: anyone can make the facts lie. Every politician is a master of this art. At the same time, the greatest truths and deepest insights often or even usually are embodied in works of fiction. Look at "knowledge". We all have met people who claim to "know" something that is questionable, whether it's religious dogma or the certainty that their wife would never cheat. So, what do we "know?" I am sixty years old (almost), and all my life I have "known" that this earth is a big rock going round in space and that everything on it is fully solid and real. I've "known" that God was this big guy out there somewhere who was going to make everything alright in the end. Et cetera. Well, come to find out that my definitions ain't worth an earring to a possum. "Solid" is actually mostly empty space quickened by electromagnetic fields, and nothing is what it seems. Then it hit me, delicious irony: that's exactly what mystics have said from day one! It's all an illusion...not that it isn't "real" because it is, but it is not what it appears to be. Does it even matter if you or I can offer a "real" definition of what a "soul" is? I'm not so sure it does. Whatever my soul is, I know it exists. Whenever I try to wrap it in words it becomes ineffable, like smoke. One more point, then I'll shut up. We shouldn't let definitions get in the way of communications. When they enable communication they are fine but when we cannot agree on a definition let us agree on something else. You and I may never mean the same thing when we say soul or spirit or even knowledge, but I suspect we seek the same things. We might even be able to find something to come to blows over...but I'd lay odds we're far more likely to find common cause. Last edited by whitecrow; 09-25-2008 at 05:50 AM. |
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Knowledge vs. Spirituality ?
Any sufficiently advanced Knowledge and its application, about the world and the invisible powers behind the curtain are indistinguishable from Spirituality. Last edited by 353L; 09-25-2008 at 06:39 AM. |
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Wall full of diplomas and certificates, wow !!! You know what I am learning more from my 1 1/2 yr. old than from all the schools I attended. For when you think you know something, is really the time to start over and relearn everything. Knowledge or Spritual my definition, what I learn is that I don't know anything . So I laughed enjoy life and know that even if I only live for one second I enjoy watching my baby smile and call me daddy , it was all worthwhile. I thank the heavens for letting me live in this moment, don't know if I'll come back as a fly and get smash by a fly swap. Or maybe as a fly
I'll jump in a spaceship into infinity.....away we go !!! |
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The physical inputs, auditory, visual, and so on. Those senses that I rely on for learning. As the eyes are getting a bit weaker I rely on glasses at times. There are "other" senses I am aware of too. Will Rodgers said; "It's not what you know, or don't know, but what you know that isn't so that will hurt you." Good words. 353L I think it was "Re: Spirituality or Knowledge" That "or", not vs. But an interesting thought. Frank Yep, I agree that alot of formal education institutes are not worth the taxes or tuition it takes to pay for them. Kids can teach us alot too, so can wild life. I think my "spirit or soul" would be most comfortable being in my youthful body again, but not a fly. Thank you! |
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Noval no offense my friend, just wanted to get achuckle of the people that read the post. I cannot talk about some things, but I'm with you and I am reading your post. Thanks for your words . Like you said we are all learning, and relearning. A big hug you ol foggie, keep those logs coming the fire is pretty warm. Hey how about a few marshmallows.
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Norval...
I just wanted to share my thoughts real quick. It maybe deemed somewhat 'off topic' but, so be it...hehe! I am coming to the belief that the Old Testiment is the story of Alantis. Reading that in that vein seems to open up a lot of the scripture to me anyways. I read the Bible twice in my life. I was in my late 20's to early 30's then. It was the King Jimmy Version too with some concordances to help with translations. Then I studied it with others back then too. I have not read it full all way through since. The Old Testiment to me is not very kind or loving. It is full of fear and obedience....OR ELSE! hehe I do believe it shows us as a people how we became to be and how we were 'made' or 'engineered'. |
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OK heres my try at this - since this question has really intrigued me!!!
Spirit is a constant Knowledge is a variable As to WHAT each is hmmmmmm??? How about Spirit is the all elusive "ether" some physicists would dearly love to prove the existence of (and others disclaim) and Knowledge is the cognitive steps we take on a physical level to gain awareness of that spirit. Which one am I? Well I would say that I was spirit first and foremost and i am trying my utmost to obtain the knowledge to KNOW the true nature of my own spirit. The tricky thing about obtaining knowledge tho is to know where to look!! lol and there comes that word KNOW again - pesky thing!! In actual fact we cannot possibly KNOW where to look when its KNOWING we are lsearching for! sigh.... its all a big conundrum - i talk myself in circles yet again!! |
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Its like the most beautiful awe inspiring woman you have ever seen thats always around you, but you only can see her when your not looking for her or anything else. To my knowledge there is no end or start... its the way we perceive time that causes us to think linearly. I guess when a person achieves greater states of awareness the whole linear thing goes away. Where is source... you experience it when your not looking for it, but intend for it. And supposedly it comes from your greater Self. (capital S) These questions your asking take alot more in depth study... I think you would gain alot from reading something like ACIM, the Upanishads, the Bhagavad Gita, or something along those lines. Even the series of books by Carlos Castaneda will give a person a great depth into Spirit. |
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"Seek and you will find."
Words of the bible. That may be a good place to start. |
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Every thing we observe are just electrical signals processed in a very dark place in the brain. Its like watching tv. The tv recieves the signal and process that image on the screen and all images come from IMAGINATION LAND. The other illusion is that we don't even think independently from one another. This reality is energy condensed at a very slow vibration based on our own low vibration or level of conciousness. Time only seperates one event from the other and every thing is happening now. As conciousness accelerate and the gap of time closes the ability to manifest will be an instant awareness. Oh and the question about the meter. A meter is a meter. these ideas are everywhere and nowhere at the same time. Everything is and isn't at the same time. Others words 21 goats , 21 cats and 21 dogs are just 21. Whats real is the 21. The names are different vibrations of an idea. Whats really wierd as that if you start paying attention to how many times you see certain numbers in the matrix anywhere. They reveal the future and the pass. Very soon the matrix will fall and the hidden overlords know this. When this all start taking place. awareness is going explode like an atom bomb and the people gonna want answers. Thats why they want us to have high definition tv so they can raise the vibration of the programming. They are scared. Last edited by 777 The Great Work; 09-27-2008 at 09:18 PM. |
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Thanks you, for a waterfall of sparkling ideas.
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Now this has taken an interesting twist on what I would have to call the "Spirituality" side
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This choice is an artificial one and a reflection of old and unresolved arguments within an early medievel church. The two are not contradictory. Scriptural discoveries made only during the last century, The Nag Hammadi collection of Gnostic Gospels and the Dead Sea Scrolls suggest the potential of a search for knowledge [of God and true self] by an act of perfect faith. In fact a new interpretation of the Resurrection argues that this event is a metaphor for a direct intervention into the natural world by God in response to an act of faith. Knowledge and moral insight accessible by faith. Such a change in the historical 'faith' paradigm is the stuff revolution is made of?
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