Did Jmmanuel(Jesus)really die on the cross?

[viking]

Please read ..... We all know him as Jesus ...

however his true name, Jmmanuel...for those who seek further knowledge and truth please read here...........

http://www.fourwinds10.com/journals/talmud/talmud.pdf

viking

[Dominic]

Have you looked at the Jordan Maxwell stuff. No one died on a cross. That was used to victimize the human race and bring in 2000 years of lies.

Here is the naked truth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJqivq4BzcU

Jordan's site:

http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/

This man's stuff hits me in the face as the absolute truth.

[viking]

Thnx Dominic....

I will post elsewhere....

see if I can wake up a few more people!!

viking

[orthodoxymoron]

I am a Red Letter Christian. I attempt to follow the Teachings of Jesus. The substitutionary atonement aspects of the Bible are troubling. Human sacrifice is found throughout history in a variety of religions and ceremonies...including Satanism. I consider Satan aka Lucifer aka Reptillian aka (Old Testament God?) aka (Gizeh Intelligence?) to be the author of this horrible practice. I believe in a Good God of the Universe...but this God seems to be non-interventionist at this time. I believe we will be reunited at a later date. This God did not require the death of Christ. Satan required the death of Christ. Did Lucifer invent both God and Satan(the ones we have been presented with historically)? I have several theories regarding what actually happened at the crucifixion. One theory involves Jesus actually dying...and travelling astrally to the temple...where he violently ripped the curtain separating the Holy Place from the Most Holy Place in the Jerusalem Temple...from top to bottom....exposing Satan...the God of this World. Then the twin-brother of Jesus appeared to the disciples as their resurrected Lord. The salvation of the human race did not hang on the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ. The salvation of the human race hangs on doing what Jesus said to do. This truth will set us free. Now this is heresy...and speculative...but I tend to think at least 70% of it is true. I'm just not sure which 70%! Oh come on...put down those stones!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm2Bs...eature=related

[Antonia]

Why is it so sexist?.. women are barely mentioned and em ... Immanual goes on to lambast people who have sex out of wedlock... saying they should be castrated or sterilised yet the very beginning of the Talmod tells us how his own mother Mary had it away with a descendent of some Alien... and Joseph wasn't going to marry her for this transgression??? A bit hypocritical??? I'm sorry lads but I read a good bit of it and it looks to me like a big hoax... I don't believe it... Heritic that I am!.. But thank you for posting it... I'd heard about it and had always wanted to read it... It's interesting! Have you read Lawrence Gardners book? I think it's called Holy Blood Holy Grail.. or somthing like that... goes in to great detail about how Jesus didn't die on the cross and was brought round in Joseph of Aremethia's garden..and tracks Jesus's children and brothers and sisters right down thier family tree to King Auther and the Merovigin Kings etc... ??? It would back up some of the Talmuds story.

Alternitively If you want to get really confused.. watch video's The Secret Rulers of the world 1 to 24 on youtube...

http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...s+of+the+world Here they decide that Jesus was son of Cleoptra and Julious Ceaser... Mary and Joseph were the trusted servants who fled with the young Jesus and adopted him when Cleo went at it with an Asp. interestingly they have Jesus travel to India aged fourteen and end up in Tibet and study with budhist monks for a few years before comming back to take on the Roman empire through peace and prayer, marry his half sister Mary magdelin and well ... watch and find out! He doesn't die on the cross here either...

[orthodoxymoron]

There is fascinating history and wisdom throughout the Bible. But it takes a lot of work to figure out what is really going on with scripture, spirituality, history, angels, demons, gods, aliens, religions, etc, etc. Ralph Ellis has some interesting theories regarding Jesus and the Bible: 1. http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/rellis.htm.
2. http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/rellishtm. Please watch these. Ellis is unorthodox, but still constructive. Jordan Maxwell is one of my favorites regarding pointing out the problems, symbolisms, conspiracies, etc...yet he offers few solid solutions. This goes for Zeitgeist, and other critical sources. Please don't lose your faith or hope in an ultimately bright future. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. The confusing and frustrating nature of this quest has produced many casualties. When this mess finally gets cleaned up...I think we are all going to have red faces...especially when we see how simple the real solutions actually were. We may even have a good laugh! 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjz16...eature=related 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0Wsn...eature=related. 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5k9w...eature=related. Don't take things too seriously!

[Antonia]

I like your attitude Orthodoxymron.... always look on the Bright side of Life..!

[orthodoxymoron]

People often reject the bs ...and then accept new bs ...or don't believe in anything . They don't often take the time to really dig, reflect, and honestly arrive at real truth. Truth can be hard to find and hang onto. I catch glimpses of it...but I feel like I'm just scratching the surface. The road to utopia is a very hard, and often bloody path. I wish it were easier...but I always try to look on the Bright Side of Life! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHZpl...eature=related.

[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by viking

Please read ..... We all know him as Jesus ...

however his true name, Jmmanuel...for those who seek further knowledge and truth please read here...........

http://www.fourwinds10.com/journals/talmud/talmud.pdf

viking

No ,it is a story only understood by few.The story is of true sacrifice for the whole. Not my will but, your will.

The sun is the achetype of this daily sacrifice of all ways being in a state of giving wihout expecting anything in return. This is the understanding of true cause and effect.That as long as humanity is in a state of recieving and hoarding,the whole will suffer.You can only manipulate or decieve a soul whose always got his or her hand out.(whats in it for me and how does this effect me)The same position that the hands are in to recieve,is the same position of giving and cycling from above.

The sun give its light and the earth gives us food and we close our hands, and this action creates a barrier between man and his creator,For it is the creator's nature to be in a eternal state of giving, which is true enlightenment and unboundable delight.

This idea of selfishness causes the diety to remain hidden but ever present. The idea of selfishness causes an unseen voice to think they are influencing this plane of exsistence ,instead we know that all causes are from above where we have our roots in the tree of life.(giving )This seperation allows us to only percive reality through our five senses,while hidden closer then breatheing is eternity.

Man must develop a sixth sense that will start his journey through the upper realms.This sense comes with a developeing within oneself, the compassion and giving traits of the creator.

The only say that man has on this plane is the environment that he chooses to accelerate his union with the divine. This is his free choice, all else is provided from a loving creator.


For God so love the world ,that he gave his only begotten sun.That whosoever believe in this idea of sacrifice for the whole.Will not perish but have ever lasting life.

Sorry i think i got off topic.By the way that rendition of jesus is a image of Michael Angelo's cousin,that they are matching with the shroud of Tourin.

[Dantheman62]

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[viking]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

I am a Red Letter Christian. I attempt to follow the Teachings of Jesus. The substitutionary atonement aspects of the Bible are troubling. Human sacrifice is found throughout history in a variety of religions and ceremonies...including Satanism. I consider Satan aka Lucifer aka Reptillian aka (Old Testament God?) aka (Gizeh Intelligence?) to be the author of this horrible practice. I believe in a Good God of the Universe...but this God seems to be non-interventionist at this time. I believe we will be reunited at a later date. This God did not require the death of Christ. Satan required the death of Christ. Did Lucifer invent both God and Satan(the ones we have been presented with historically)? I have several theories regarding what actually happened at the crucifixion. One theory involves Jesus actually dying...and travelling astrally to the temple...where he violently ripped the curtain separating the Holy Place from the Most Holy Place in the Jerusalem Temple...from top to bottom....exposing Satan...the God of this World. Then the twin-brother of Jesus appeared to the disciples as their resurrected Lord. The salvation of the human race did not hang on the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ. The salvation of the human race hangs on doing what Jesus said to do. This truth will set us free. Now this is heresy...and speculative...but I tend to think at least 70% of it is true. I'm just not sure which 70%! Oh come on...put down those stones!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm2Bs...eature=related

orthodoxymoron,

If you have read the bible on a regular basis you must have realized the inconsistancies. Why dont you try reading the 'Phoenix Journels' as an alternative... I think you will find alot of unanswered questions.

http://www.phoenixarchives.com/

Regards
Eric