What if NOTHING will change? - Page 2

borrasca2012 · 11-02-2008, 09:17 PM

[QUOTE=777 The Great Work;68537]

Quote:

Originally Posted by borrasca2012

OK for ME .........I AM happy with my LIVE !!!

There is no I OR My

there are no SPOON"s either.... ( matrix1)

....... okei,than i"ve to correct me and say:: the ALLONESS , incarnated

in this individual body, and time and space is HAPPY.......how it is

Operator · 11-02-2008, 09:36 PM

Hi,

First of all: why are we waiting for something to happen and waiting for change ?
We ARE the instruments of change and we should shape the change to our likings ! Be part of it.

If we stay in the waiting mode we will be victims. If we get in the victor mode we get to decide about the outcome.

Do we need change ? .... yes we do !
Mankind is on a collision path and even if it may not be soon, we need to safeguard this world for for the future of our children.
Like the Hopi say: be responsible for the next 7 generations to come.

So if you don't experience change (for the good) we have to investigate our actions since apparently we're still failing.

Cheers

franciejones · 11-02-2008, 10:32 PM

Nivosh,

Hello my friend. I feel those fears at times as well. Know that I am changing with you and others here and if the world stays the same, atleast we will not. The smallest changes matter.

Love to you

Francie Jones

franciejones · 11-02-2008, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borrasca2012

OK for ME .........I AM happy with my LIVE !!!

........... enough to eat, roof over head, and can LIVE MY WAY OF BELIVE,

.....i don"t need ufo"s, aliens or fanatic religion troublemakers.....

POLITIK ,MONEY,RELIGION,JEWS,ALIENS and other troublemakers

CAN LEAVE THE PLANET !!!!!!! .......one way ticket

What a terrible and disgusting thing to say about others.

11-02-2008, 10:39 PM

There are always changes in life. It is how we deal with
the changes that determine the outcome.
I hope that the world will be healed.
I look forward to the Human race awakening in spiritual understanding
and love.

Either way, I am thankful to have my family.
Life is a gift.
Bless Everyone.

Peace,
Kevin

borrasca2012 · 11-02-2008, 10:50 PM

OKEI...... WHEN ITS TERRIBLE TO SAY that we want NO WARS

on this planet.......YOU ARE NOT READY for any change.........

I JUST SAY: NO WARS !!!!!!!!!! and no people who makes it.....

ANIMALS just kill to get FOOD .......

........BUT DOWN THERE, they just KILL for their own stupid intrests....

they even don"t eat each other...they just kill, for FUN

OR BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE STUPID THAN THE STUPIEST ANIMAL

THIS IS A PLANET FOR HUMANS who want to live in peace !!!!!

LEAVE THE PLANET, TROUBLEMAKERS......NO WAR

Shadowstalker · 11-02-2008, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by borrasca2012 View Post

POLITIK ,MONEY,RELIGION,JEWS,ALIENS and other troublemakers

--------------------------------------------

So Aliens and Jews are trouble makers?

Interesting seeing how we are for the most part, part alien,

As for the Jews? what is wrong with them, seeings how you are generalizing.

MargueriteBee · 11-03-2008, 12:35 AM

Everyday is getting better and better, it's the turn of the tide.

isotelesis · 11-03-2008, 12:55 AM

Things are changing, just not how we expect, I think Nibiru/Galactic Alignment/2012 etc. is part of an elaborate disinformation campaign:

http://answers.google.com/answers/th...id/576560.html

However I do believe there is a lot of technology limited to black ops, probably for good reasons, many talents are wasted in pursuit of these chimera.

There are more practical issues to be concerned with, such as public health, transportation, economics, food/water supply, geopolitics, pollution, sustainable development, education, organized crime, and problems of a more systematic nature.

Try fixing those problems which can be solved.

firstfruit · 11-03-2008, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Jacqui D

Yes i have often wondered this myself, for me i need change this life is not what i want.
Everyday is a struggle because i can see through the whole charade.
Poverty goes on, starvation, wars, death, births peoples perceptions of life and what they want from it send a cringe running up my spine.

For me life would have to be more peaceful, people would have to be more understanding to each other and the each and everyone of us more loving and giving.

I concur totally we are two of many awakening lights

Our way of life humanities way of life humanities belief system it’s all engineered it’s been engineered for eons of time.

The charade is thinning to the existent we can now see the beast hiding within the system.

What lies cheats deceives and murders us and has done throughout history

Do you really need to think about?

This is not life its abuse its slavery its ending can you feel it the darkness is over.

The countdown to 2012 look around you what do you see buckets of. They are cashing in everything our governments care not what you see or what you hear your hatred your anger its encouraged.

We are all witness to the death throws of the beast our evil fear based system.

“Humanity and mother earth are becoming help us to become for our highest and our best good and for all concerned”

Lak-ech

LaRosa · 11-03-2008, 04:12 AM

by Borrasca2012:POLITIK ,MONEY,RELIGION,JEWS,ALIENS and other troublemakers CAN LEAVE THE PLANET !!!!!!! .......one way ticket.

When I supported this comment I lowered to his style. I guess he is against the parasitic type of aliens ignoring there are some that are friendly. The Jews comment is just ignorance and I haven't paid attention to that word in the comment.

Borrasca2012 I believe you are having good intentions, just don't close door to those who might help you one day, may it be an alien or a Jew. A good person can be found everywhere no matter his origin. You would have said Illuminati, you would offend a reader who is one of them but wish to be wisthleblower.
I go more general and I have a wide diversity of friends. One way ticket to... the parasites of the human race! Now you fit inside what you want.

Anchor · 11-03-2008, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by borrasca2012

POLITIK ,MONEY,RELIGION,JEWS,ALIENS and other troublemakers

CAN LEAVE THE PLANET !!!!!!! .......one way ticket

Not acceptable. Infraction awarded - PM sent

nivosh · 11-03-2008, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Anchor

Not acceptable. Infraction awarded - PM sent

Thank you.
Well Modarated forum...

borrasca2012 · 11-03-2008, 01:20 PM

............WE JUST HAVE TO LEARN FROM HISTORY and make it better

""next time "".....hope really THAT THERE WILL be

BIG BIG SILENCE !!!!!! in those "war-areas" soon..........

.....by the way, i read that IRAN was doing some nuclear

test....

.......I"m looking forward for WORLD-PEACE !!!!!!

........and think from me what u will, EVERYBODY has his story

FREE WILL FREE SPEAK FREE WORLD

Jnana · 11-03-2008, 03:51 PM

Back to the original question....

Given the rapid pace of change in the world, the idea of NOTHING changing between now and 2012 is an odd one. I assume the notion here is more along the lines of what if the world is not suddenly transformed to a new density or something like that, preceded by a healthy dose of natural and man-made disasters.

In fact, having made it through an October where I was expecting a major false-flag event and/or a period of economic collapse, I have had similar thoughts - what if 2012 is a big nothing? However, my first thought is to be very thankful that we made it through October! I think we dodged a bullet. But the game is still on.

I think it remains to be seen whether we will have a chaotic destructive transition followed by rebuilding, or a gradual transition to a peaceful world.

Climate change is still an issue. Economic problems are still an issue. An Isreal/Iran conflict leading to world war is still a possibility. Declining oil supplies are still an issue (even if Lindsay Williams is right). Suppression of knowledge about ETs is still an issue. Civil liberties are still being rapidly eroded. The chances of a peaceful transition to a sustainable system seem pretty slim to me, but I think it is still possible.

I have doubts about Dec. 21st, 2012 as a date for the same reason as I had doubts about Oct. 14, 2008. Sure, something big MIGHT happen. Then again, we could all just keep plugging away trying to make the world a better place one person at a time. We have free will. I'm inclined to think that focusing on a particular date in the future detracts from working on the problems here and now.

Average Joe · 11-03-2008, 10:14 PM

I don't really think that anything unusual will happen on 21st December 2012.

I think by then, people will be concentrating on other prophecies made betwen now and then.

It will be interesting to see peoples reactions on 22nd December 2012, on here.

I agree with some of the issues brought up by Jnana though.

nivosh · 11-04-2008, 04:27 PM

Thank you jnana for your insights...

whitecrow · 11-04-2008, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nivosh

Hello dear friends.

There is a small but annoying thought that's cycling through my head lately.

What if NOTHING will happen?
What if Obama will get elected as scheduled, the economy will stay the same, no UFO will come to our rescue, 2012 will be just another day?

What if all this Forum and whistle blowers thing is just a fantasy, a dream?

This scares me most of all...
I would like very much your opinions on the matter.

love to you all...

Hello Nivosh,

You've brought up a very important point. Y2K was a bust. The aliens didn't uncloak their ship on 10-14. We haven't invaded Iran. There's hasn't been another 9/11. Holy moly, what if it's all just......gratuitous drama? How dumb would we feel?

First of all, you've changed haven't you? I know I have. So we can't say nothing's changed. What's changed is that the Internet has put people all over the world together for the first time in history - and that's a huge change all in itself. What we've learned is that people want virtue. People understand that virtue is what will change things, and they understand that virtue is pretty much totally lacking in politics, business and even religion worldwide.

What if the Forum and the whistle blowers are just a dream? Life is just a dream, my friend. That's not what scares me...what scares me is the idea of me doing nothing. I ain't letting that happen.

Steve_A · 11-04-2008, 07:34 PM

Hi nivosh,

If nothing happens, all well and good. For those who stocked up on Spam will eat Spam for a few weeks.

The thing we need to ask ourselves is, "What if SOMETHING will happen?".

It costs virtually nothing to take precautions and if something did happen, those who sat on their hands would look rather foolish.

And let's look at least that could happen, members of this forum had the opportunity to 'meet' people of a similar thinking and philosophy.

It's a win win situation.

Best regards,

Steve

Quote:

Originally Posted by nivosh

Hello dear friends.

There is a small but annoying thought that's cycling through my head lately.

What if NOTHING will happen?
What if Obama will get elected as scheduled, the economy will stay the same, no UFO will come to our rescue, 2012 will be just another day?

What if all this Forum and whistle blowers thing is just a fantasy, a dream?

This scares me most of all...
I would like very much your opinions on the matter.

love to you all...

samncheese · 11-04-2008, 07:53 PM

I think the point is how will you change? We don't need a great shift in the universe to be enlightened. work out your Karma yourself, you have to do it sooner or later. This is the point the alarmist have all missed, it doesn't matter what the world does if your at one with the universe.. The phrase "at one" has a word "atonment" means to be at one. The process of forgiving and accepting the world for what it is, brings this into focus and eventualy brings us peace. It takes the sting out of death and the fear out of life.

Be at peace

Frank Samuel · 11-04-2008, 08:01 PM

Hey people if your life is not changing constantly especially for the better, then something is terribly wrong. As you evolve , mature, learn, interact with others your world is changing. A positive attitude plays a major role. For others they want out of this world, I want to stay and work hard to make this globe a better place. Whatever your stance never give up on your internal growth.Be happy, celebrate your life live in the NOW. Sure we all hope for a better tomorrow, since I am not a time traveler I cannot predict the future. Is funny to see how many prophets of doom and Gloom swear up and down of the emminent destruction of the earth, the CHOOSEN ONES will be saved. In the meantime I live a happy life, thanking God for every single second of life in this planet. Yes I believe in a better tomorrow for ALL and no I am not a choosen one nor do I want to be if it excludes my love ones. Maybe I am insane in the membrain for wanting to live my life one day at a time,what can I tell you I am having a great time, join the living folks !!!

11-02-2008, 09:36 PM	#27
Operator Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Caribbean Posts: 375	Re: What if NOTHING will change? Hi, First of all: why are we waiting for something to happen and waiting for change ? We ARE the instruments of change and we should shape the change to our likings ! Be part of it. If we stay in the waiting mode we will be victims. If we get in the victor mode we get to decide about the outcome. Do we need change ? .... yes we do ! Mankind is on a collision path and even if it may not be soon, we need to safeguard this world for for the future of our children. Like the Hopi say: be responsible for the next 7 generations to come. So if you don't experience change (for the good) we have to investigate our actions since apparently we're still failing. Cheers

11-02-2008, 10:32 PM	#28
franciejones Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 307	Re: What if NOTHING will change? Nivosh, Hello my friend. I feel those fears at times as well. Know that I am changing with you and others here and if the world stays the same, atleast we will not. The smallest changes matter. Love to you Francie Jones

11-02-2008, 10:39 PM	#30
Suriel Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What if NOTHING will change? There are always changes in life. It is how we deal with the changes that determine the outcome. I hope that the world will be healed. I look forward to the Human race awakening in spiritual understanding and love. Either way, I am thankful to have my family. Life is a gift. Bless Everyone. Peace, Kevin

11-02-2008, 10:50 PM	#31
borrasca2012 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 88	Re: What if NOTHING will change? OKEI...... WHEN ITS TERRIBLE TO SAY that we want NO WARS on this planet.......YOU ARE NOT READY for any change......... I JUST SAY: NO WARS !!!!!!!!!! and no people who makes it..... ANIMALS just kill to get FOOD ....... ........BUT DOWN THERE, they just KILL for their own stupid intrests.... they even don"t eat each other...they just kill, for FUN OR BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE STUPID THAN THE STUPIEST ANIMAL THIS IS A PLANET FOR HUMANS who want to live in peace !!!!! LEAVE THE PLANET, TROUBLEMAKERS......NO WAR

11-02-2008, 11:29 PM	#32
Shadowstalker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Austin texas Posts: 281	Re: What if NOTHING will change? Originally Posted by borrasca2012 View Post POLITIK ,MONEY,RELIGION,JEWS,ALIENS and other troublemakers -------------------------------------------- So Aliens and Jews are trouble makers? Interesting seeing how we are for the most part, part alien, As for the Jews? what is wrong with them, seeings how you are generalizing.

11-03-2008, 12:35 AM	#33
MargueriteBee Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Northern California Posts: 216	Re: What if NOTHING will change? Everyday is getting better and better, it's the turn of the tide.

11-03-2008, 12:55 AM	#34
isotelesis Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 112	Re: What if NOTHING will change? Things are changing, just not how we expect, I think Nibiru/Galactic Alignment/2012 etc. is part of an elaborate disinformation campaign: http://answers.google.com/answers/th...id/576560.html However I do believe there is a lot of technology limited to black ops, probably for good reasons, many talents are wasted in pursuit of these chimera. There are more practical issues to be concerned with, such as public health, transportation, economics, food/water supply, geopolitics, pollution, sustainable development, education, organized crime, and problems of a more systematic nature. Try fixing those problems which can be solved.

11-03-2008, 04:12 AM	#36
LaRosa Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lima, Peru Posts: 36	Re: What if NOTHING will change? by Borrasca2012:POLITIK ,MONEY,RELIGION,JEWS,ALIENS and other troublemakers CAN LEAVE THE PLANET !!!!!!! .......one way ticket. When I supported this comment I lowered to his style. I guess he is against the parasitic type of aliens ignoring there are some that are friendly. The Jews comment is just ignorance and I haven't paid attention to that word in the comment. Borrasca2012 I believe you are having good intentions, just don't close door to those who might help you one day, may it be an alien or a Jew. A good person can be found everywhere no matter his origin. You would have said Illuminati, you would offend a reader who is one of them but wish to be wisthleblower. I go more general and I have a wide diversity of friends. One way ticket to... the parasites of the human race! Now you fit inside what you want.

11-03-2008, 01:20 PM	#39
borrasca2012 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 88	Re: What if NOTHING will change? ............WE JUST HAVE TO LEARN FROM HISTORY and make it better ""next time "".....hope really THAT THERE WILL be BIG BIG SILENCE !!!!!! in those "war-areas" soon.......... .....by the way, i read that IRAN was doing some nuclear test.... .......I"m looking forward for WORLD-PEACE !!!!!! ........and think from me what u will, EVERYBODY has his story FREE WILL FREE SPEAK FREE WORLD

11-03-2008, 03:51 PM	#40
Jnana Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 653	Re: What if NOTHING will change? Back to the original question.... Given the rapid pace of change in the world, the idea of NOTHING changing between now and 2012 is an odd one. I assume the notion here is more along the lines of what if the world is not suddenly transformed to a new density or something like that, preceded by a healthy dose of natural and man-made disasters. In fact, having made it through an October where I was expecting a major false-flag event and/or a period of economic collapse, I have had similar thoughts - what if 2012 is a big nothing? However, my first thought is to be very thankful that we made it through October! I think we dodged a bullet. But the game is still on. I think it remains to be seen whether we will have a chaotic destructive transition followed by rebuilding, or a gradual transition to a peaceful world. Climate change is still an issue. Economic problems are still an issue. An Isreal/Iran conflict leading to world war is still a possibility. Declining oil supplies are still an issue (even if Lindsay Williams is right). Suppression of knowledge about ETs is still an issue. Civil liberties are still being rapidly eroded. The chances of a peaceful transition to a sustainable system seem pretty slim to me, but I think it is still possible. I have doubts about Dec. 21st, 2012 as a date for the same reason as I had doubts about Oct. 14, 2008. Sure, something big MIGHT happen. Then again, we could all just keep plugging away trying to make the world a better place one person at a time. We have free will. I'm inclined to think that focusing on a particular date in the future detracts from working on the problems here and now. Last edited by Jnana; 11-03-2008 at 03:56 PM.

11-03-2008, 10:14 PM	#41
Average Joe Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: UK Posts: 377	Re: What if NOTHING will change? I don't really think that anything unusual will happen on 21st December 2012. I think by then, people will be concentrating on other prophecies made betwen now and then. It will be interesting to see peoples reactions on 22nd December 2012, on here. I agree with some of the issues brought up by Jnana though.

11-04-2008, 04:27 PM	#42
nivosh Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Israel Posts: 65	Re: What if NOTHING will change? Thank you jnana for your insights...

11-04-2008, 07:53 PM	#45
samncheese Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Puyallup, Washington state Posts: 138	Re: What if NOTHING will change? I think the point is how will you change? We don't need a great shift in the universe to be enlightened. work out your Karma yourself, you have to do it sooner or later. This is the point the alarmist have all missed, it doesn't matter what the world does if your at one with the universe.. The phrase "at one" has a word "atonment" means to be at one. The process of forgiving and accepting the world for what it is, brings this into focus and eventualy brings us peace. It takes the sting out of death and the fear out of life. Be at peace

11-04-2008, 08:01 PM	#46
Frank Samuel Project Avalon Moderator Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: i live in puerto rico Posts: 643	Re: What if NOTHING will change? Hey people if your life is not changing constantly especially for the better, then something is terribly wrong. As you evolve , mature, learn, interact with others your world is changing. A positive attitude plays a major role. For others they want out of this world, I want to stay and work hard to make this globe a better place. Whatever your stance never give up on your internal growth.Be happy, celebrate your life live in the NOW. Sure we all hope for a better tomorrow, since I am not a time traveler I cannot predict the future. Is funny to see how many prophets of doom and Gloom swear up and down of the emminent destruction of the earth, the CHOOSEN ONES will be saved. In the meantime I live a happy life, thanking God for every single second of life in this planet. Yes I believe in a better tomorrow for ALL and no I am not a choosen one nor do I want to be if it excludes my love ones. Maybe I am insane in the membrain for wanting to live my life one day at a time,what can I tell you I am having a great time, join the living folks !!!