Dr. Steven Greer, Disinfo Agent? Details Please!

[qbeac]

In fact, it would be as simple as Dr. Greer going to “Larry King Live”, CNN, with a Pantone GEET motor (which is relatively small, the size of a small suitcase), put it on top of Larry’s desk, drink a little bit of water from the fuel tank (to show people it’s water), and crank it up.... ttttrrrrrrmmmmttttrrrrrr!!!

End of story!

So, the question remains: Why doesn’t Dr. Greer do it as he says he would?

[onawah]

Originally Posted by qbeac

Hi everyone, the questions raised about Dr. Greer are not only because he says there are not negative ETs but only positive ETs. There are other questions about other things too, such as, for instance, his alleged relation with the CIA (according to Alfred Webre,

This is what Alfred Webre says about Dr. Greer:

Alfred Webre, Barcelona. January-15-2010.
(Note: The original interview is in Spanish. This is a translation)
http://www.lighthousebcn.com/index.php/alfred-webre
http://vimeo.com/9064144

Min. 29:50. Obama’s announcement about declassifying the UFO matter is a play of the intelligence agencies identified with certain very well identified corners of the Exopolitics sector, Michael Salla, Steven Greer, who is closely identified with the CIA. He (Greer) follows the advice [or warnings] of the CIA, and is well surrounded by CIA agents. And that is a non-story to give the public hope so that they think "Obama El Salvador".... etc.

Original in Spanish:

Min. 29:50. Lo del anuncio de que Obama va a desclasificar el tema UFO es una jugada de las agencias de inteligencia de ciertas esquinas muy identificadas del sector de Exopolítica, de Michael Salla, de Steven Greer, que está muy identificado con la CIA. Él (Greer) sigue las advertencias de la CIA, y está muy rodeado de agentes de la CIA. Y eso es una no-noticia para darle aliento al público para que piense “Obama el salvador”.... etc.

So, it would be good to know if Dr. Greer is honest or an infiltrated agent. The elite has a lot of expertise producing infiltrated agents, so it should not surprise us they keep using that trick nowadays. Now then, in the case of Dr. Greer, perhaps he could clarify these questions by himself by agreeing to participate in more public and open debates so that everybody can ask him hard questions. Other persons are participating in open debates (see this forum), so, will he be willing to do the same?

I could not find an English version of that interview with Alfred Webre. Is there a transcript in English anywhere on the Net?

I am leaning more now towards believing that Greer is either a very bad case of burnout, which could explain a lot, or else really is a dupe of the PTB which could explain even more except why he would go to such great lengths to bring so many whistleblowers to the public's attention with the Disclosure Project. If that was a CIA attempt to deflect focus from the truth, it badly misfired. And his books really are inspiring, regardless of what he says about no negative ET s, etc.

But I don't know that it's really all that simple. It seems there may be a razor's edge so sharp for some people in this field that it splits them right in two. Similarly, I think it's likely that Greer may be caught betwixt and between, right on that edge.

Which is all the more reason to shift focus more to the higher energies and get out of our heads. because this stuff can really make you crazy.

I had no idea CSETI was charging that much money for the training. It seems awfully excessive and unnecessary to me. With the right intent, I don't think it can be that hard to make Contact.

Regardless of who did what, I do think it was inappropriate for Bill to post that information about the Manhunt site. That kind of thing makes everyone look bad.

And another interview with Greer to address some of these issues would certainly be instructive, but from all accounts, that seems pretty unlikely. It would certainly be something if it did happen, though!

Also,
Greer, Bob Dean and other whistleblowers say there are elements within the CIA and other agencies which are actually pro-Disclosure now. So if these are his CIA contacts, that puts a different perspective on what Webre says about Greer and possibly Salla.

This possibility reflects what Wilcock said in his Disclosure Endgame ebook about how many of the international power factions have re formed and reconfigured in the last decades. And many channellers say that there has been a slow infiltration of many arenas of power by more positively oriented individuals, from the bottom up, and that even some of the old guard are gradually seeing things in a different light.

We have to keep in mind that things are constantly changing, and quickly. What was true a couple of years ago may have shifted considerably by now...

[qbeac]

Originally Posted by onawah

...Also,
Greer, Bob Dean and other whistleblowers say there are elements within the CIA and other agencies which are actually pro-Disclosure now. So if these are his CIA contacts, that puts a different perspective on what Webre says about Greer and possibly Salla....

onawah, why don’t you ask Dr. Greer by e-mail about this issue?

You can ask him, for instance, about what he said in the Exopolitics Summit 2009 in Sitges (Barcelona), July-26-2009:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1874942

I encourage you to listen to the full talk, because Dr. Greer was very emphatic, he said things like that he would being willing to die for this cause (free energy), or that he would go to the CNN and BBC to tell the world, etc., etc.

So, ask him about it, and tell him there is already a “transitional energy” device that works fine (the Pantone GEET motor), and even though it is not the ultimate solution (there are better ones), it is great in the sense that can offer right now an excellent worlwide public “PROOF OF CONCEPT” to help to raise public awareness about the reality of these technologies, etc.

And ask him if he would be willing to do what he said he would in the Exopolitics Summit-2009: go to CNN and tell the world about it.

Will he do it?

If Paul Pantone released the free blueprints of his invention a few years ago (I’m not sure if it was in 2008 or before), why hasn’t Dr. Greer gone already to CNN a few years ago? Why the delay? What is he waiting for?

Dr. Greer says he has a group of experts in free energy who have been working in this field for more than 17 years. So, did they know about Paul Pantone’s public release of the free blueprints of his invention (you can see the video in YouTube. See above link)?

Suppose Dr. Greer goes to CNN and talk about the Pantone GEET motor for just 30 minutes and shows its free blueprints. That would help to rise the awareness of millions of people around the world with regards to free energy. That would tremendously boost the interest of the public for this subject. So, couldn’t Dr. Greer perhaps cancel one or two of his seminaries or conferences and go to the CNN instead? That small exchange (seminary for CNN) would be worth the effort.

If you ask him, let’s see what he says.

Btw: if you want to see the Pantone GEET motor working partially on water, go to Panacea University, follow the instructions and build it and test it by yourself. It works, I guarantee it... but you don’t have to believe me, do it yourself and you’ll see.

[Jnana]

Originally Posted by qbeac

Btw: if you want to see the Pantone GEET motor working partially on water, go to Panacea University, follow the instructions and build it and test it by yourself. It works, I guarantee it... but you don’t have to believe me, do it yourself and you’ll see.

qbeac, thanks for all of your good analysis on Greer's statements about transitional technologies and GEET. I must have missed your previous post on the GEET as a transitional technology. I'm wondering, have your built a GEET motor yourself? What type of motor did you convert?

Fuel vaporizors are not new technology, and Pantone's GEET looks like one of many efforts out there. Interesting story here:

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...12/122011.html

VST: http://fuelvapors.com/

More technical History/List of vapor carburetors:
http://www.himacresearch.com/docs/history.html

I can't read Greer's mind, but I do know that he has said repeatedly that time is short. I think he is looking for a major breakthrough at this point. He is just one man, and must choose his battles carefully. We all must decide how best to make a difference with the time and resources available to us.

If you want to help promote a particular fuel vaporizer, more power to you. I would say at this point what is needed is a serious large scale independent study with irrefutable results, not a demo on Larry King. Do you know anyone with a fleet of vehicles willing to put it to the test, and some scientists willing to do the analysis and reporting? (interesting effort in France: http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Dop...ry_English.pdf). Obama is pushing for higher mileage requirements and automakers will insist they can't do it. Now is the time.

[qbeac]

Originally Posted by Jnana

...I would say at this point what is needed is a serious large scale independent study with irrefutable results, not a demo on Larry King....

Jnana, if you go to Panacea University, you’ll find all the instructions you need to build a Pantone GEET motor by yourself. I’ve seen it running in real life, and it works fine. But don’t trust me, go to Panacea University and see for yourself.

On the other hand, please, correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to be missing the main point I am trying to make. Please, let me explain it in a different way.

Nowadays (2010), millions of people around the world don’t even know free energy exists because is being censored or suppressed in MSM. Millions don’t think it is real, or don’t think it works, or don’t think there are already devices that are ready to be used, fully operational, and not in a prototype stage.

But there are: the Pantone GEET motor.

The GEET motor is only a “transitional technology”. You can go many levels above it, actually, all the way up to ET level. But at least the Pantone GEET motor already works. Let me say it clearly:

The Pantone GEET motor IS NOT A DEMO, it is a real product, fully operational, it works fine, saves gas and reduces pollution.

It’s good that Dr. Greer and anybody else would try to find much better solutions, but that can be done anytime and in parallel to other options. However, the GEET system is ALREADY working (don’t have to wait any longer) and it has many advantages (see previous post), but one very obvious advantage is that anybody can build it by themselves at home (it’s easy, cheap, its components are standard and easily available, etc.).

In other words, you don’t need to depend on a company (perhaps corrupt and working for the PTB?) that will develop it for you “in the future.” You can use it “now.”

Imagine that an “official” Lab or Company (perhaps corrupt?) who are going to build or test these devices, say:

“Sorry people, we tried hard, but at the very last moment men in black assaulted our installations and stole our equipment and results, or intimidated our inventor, etc., so now you’ll have to wait another 5 years. Be patient, we’ll keep working hard.”

... and by using that trick, they keep buying time so that the elite can finish developing their New World Order. And if they succeed before humanity wakes up, bye bye free energy for a veeeeeery long time, perhaps till the next 26,000 years cycle?

In the case of the Pantone GEET system, we avoid that risk (lies from “official” sources) because you can build it right now in your own house.

On the other hand, Dr. Greer also says: let’s “walk straight perhaps before we can levitate”, because a quick replacement of fossil fuel (from one day to the next) may cause economic or social disruptions. So, let’s go better step by step, starting with the “transitional technologies”, then level 2 (Electromagnetic energy) and finally level 3 (Advanced propulsion systems).

Let me put it this way:

There are different purposes that could be achieved by going to CNN and telling the whole world about the existence of the Pantone GEET motor, for instance:

- Public psychological purpose 1: in just 30 minutes it would dissolve the myth that these technologies do not exist or do not work.

- Public psychological purpose 2: it would rise tremendous public awareness, it would educate millions of people about the reality of these technologies and, therefore, it would create a huge amount of public pressure for the liberation of them. Remember that Dr. Greer also asked people to help him with that task by writing e-mails to Obama and Congress.

- Public psychological purpose 3: Since anybody can build it and touch it, it would give everybody solid direct proof that these technologies are real and work. You would not need to hear the results from an “official Lab” (perhaps corrupt and working for the PTB?) telling you that it works (or not), because you can prove it to yourself and by yourself.

- Public practical purpose 1: it would allow a lot of people to use the Pantone GEET motor for “certain types of applications” (Ex: home electrical generators, camping caravans, etc.), which will save them gas and cut pollution and help the environment.

So, in my opinion, I can’t find any good reason why Dr. Greer, if he is sincere in wanting to promote free energy, would not do what he says he would: go to CNN and tell the world about these matters.

On the other hand, and as I mentioned before:

The elite has a lot of expertise producing infiltrated agents, so it should not surprise us if they keep using that trick nowadays. Now then, in the case of Dr. Greer, perhaps he could clarify these questions by himself by agreeing to participate in more public and open debates so that everybody can ask him hard questions. Other persons are participating in open debates (see this forum), so, will he be willing to do the same?

[Jnana]

Originally Posted by qbeac

On the other hand, please, correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to be missing the main point I am trying to make. Please, let me explain it in a different way.

I get your point, I just don't agree (entirely). The GEET device provides about a 20% to 30% increase in gas mileage (data from a single French test vehicle). If that kind of result is common, that is indeed significant and worthwhile, I don't dispute that.

But, there is a long history of "magic carburetors" and such promising 100 mpg that have never made it to market. I think many in the public are aware of such claims and are skeptical. I also think very few in the public have any clue as to who Dr. Steven Greer is, and I would be willing to bet that his detractors outnumber his supporters. Just how effective will it be for a "UFO nut" to get on Larry King and promote this device? You think Larry King won't talk about Greer's UFO background, and that he's a medical doctor who knows nothing about internal combustion engines? How much better would it be for the inventor himself backed up by an independent scientific study by Dr. Whoever from MIT and the City of Los Angeles or some big trucking firm to go on Larry King and say, "I invented it, they proved it, let's do it"? It's that sort of backing that is needed to prevent the loyal opposition from portraying the device as a hoax and shutting down all attempts at mass production. Greer's involvement would be a liability, in my opinion.

I also don't agree that just making the public aware of the plans and such is going to have the kind of results you expect. I'm quite mechanically adept, but I can see all kinds of potential problems with putting such a device on my car, so I'm not willing to try it at this point. Are you? If you haven't built one, what makes you think everyone else is in such a great hurry to do so? These things need to be refined and tested and manufactured and installed by someone willing to back up the product. If the installed price can be payed back with fuel savings in a year or so, then I think you'll get the kind of impact that matters.

If you want to make Dr. Greer solely responsible for doing something about this, fine, that's your call. I just think your passion for this could be put to better use than portraying him as a hypocrite for not taking up this cause. Greer quote: "Everyone wants to know, but nobody wants to do."

[lisa]

qbeac, trying to reason on this thread is like talking to a brick wall.
These people may agree with you, but they are paid to defend Greer/CSETI and intimidate those who question him.

[qbeac]

Originally Posted by lisa

qbeac, trying to reason on this thread is like talking to a brick wall.
These people may agree with you, but they are paid to defend Greer/CSETI and intimidate those who question him.

Thanks for your support, Lisa.

Besides giving my personal opinions on the subject, I am trying to present data I’ve found so that people can make their own judgement.

Imho, there is something suspicious about Dr. Greer, and that’s not how I thought at first. Before the Barcelona Exopolitics Summit-2009, I thought he was a hero, I helped translating his materials from English to Spanish (videos, sites, etc.). But after the things that have happened since then, now I see several important inconsistencies that should be clarified ASAP.

By now, we all have lost our naivety and know that the PTB uses the tactic of infiltration (double agents, gatekeepers, wolfs in sheep’s clothing), and uses professional debunkers to debunk all versions contrary to the official one (Psyops, Agent provocateur, etc.). The PTB may even use clones, or mind control, or other unknown sophisticated technology, or who knows what.

For instance, Jnana has given his/her own personal opinion of why Dr. Greer may not want to present the Pantone GEET motor in the CNN. Firstly, I personally don’t agree with Jnana’s arguments (for several reasons). And secondly, those are only Jnana’s “speculations” (or plausible deniability arguments) of what Dr. Greer may think or want to do, which may not even be correct (we don’t know). Maybe Dr. Greer has other reasons to do what he does.

So, in any case, it would be good to hear Dr. Greer’s own opinion about this matter.

Something that Dr. Greer could do to clarify these questions is to make himself much more available, don’t hide, participate in more public and open debates with his peers, like other people are doing (Alfred Webre, Bill Ryan, Kerry Cassidy, etc.), and answer the hard questions that his peers (other experts in the field) and the regular people may present to him.

That would be something normal to expect from sincere and honest persons who don’t have things to hide or double intentions in mind (Ex: Alfred, Bill, Kerry, etc.).

For persons who have a leading role in the UFO field, it should be almost “mandatory” (or highly recommended) for them to participate in open debates if they want to have credibility, because truth is not afraid of lies. In open debates and in the long run, you can see and feel who is real or fake.

But Bill and Kerry have already said that it was hard for them to interview Dr. Greer because he declined several times.

In summary, if Dr. Greer does make himself available, that would be great. If he doesn’t, the suspicions will grow.

[onawah]

Originally Posted by qbeac

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So, in any case, it would be good to hear Dr. Greer’s own opinion about this matter.

Something that Dr. Greer could do to clarify these questions is to make himself much more available, don’t hide, participate in more public and open debates with his peers, like other people are doing (Alfred Webre, Bill Ryan, Kerry Cassidy, etc.), and answer the hard questions that his peers (other experts in the field) and the regular people may present to him.

That would be something normal to expect from sincere and honest persons who don’t have things to hide or double intentions in mind (Ex: Alfred, Bill, Kerry, etc.).

For persons who have a leading role in the UFO field, it should be almost “mandatory” (or highly recommended) for them to participate in open debates if they want to have credibility, because truth is not afraid of lies. In open debates and in the long run, you can see and feel who is real or fake.

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I am definitely in agreement with this.

Disclosure across the board will make it a lot easier to get the news out there about various types of advanced technology that can be made available to the public. But what order the dominoes will fall in is anybody's guess.

It feels to me like we are moving into a new playing field now, of very creative and also very chaotic potential, so it will be interesting to see what happens next. It may be that things will unfold in a manner we never expected. IF it is true that stargates are opening up around the planet, whatever happens should be expedited considerably by the new energies coming in!

[Carol]

Originally Posted by lisa

qbeac, trying to reason on this thread is like talking to a brick wall.
These people may agree with you, but they are paid to defend Greer/CSETI and intimidate those who question him.

Lisa, no one here that I'm aware of is paid to defend Greer/CSETI or intimindate anyone who questions him. Your statement is clearly false. I support Greer because I admire him, the work he has done, that he has dedicated his life to helping others and is working toward Universal Brotherhood. I'm not going to change my mind about a man who has risked so much in his efforts to help humankind.

You implied that he came onto you and is a womanizer. You implied he is a cheat. You implied he is a fraud.

You may have been very disappointed by your experience and should just ask for your money back. However, I do question who you are and am aware when someone who hasn't grasped the basics of algebra enters into a physics class.. that person is going to feel lost. I suspect you were in over your head and are blaming everyone else as to being failures without looking at yourself first and whether you were really ready for such an experience. And I will share this with you... I've been involved in this field for years and don't even know if I would be ready. A couple years back when I sat out under the stars with Joan Ocean, when she supposedly was contacting ET with our group, I thought her nut was cracked and I'm a psychotherapist. I also paid around $1,500 for the 5 day experience and was also disappointed. However, I didn't go around trashing her or putting her down because I couldn't see what she whe was experiencing. And if it weren't for the photos which caught the pictures of the orbs I would have thought the whole experience a bust. There are photos of me being fully surrounded by them and yet during that time I didn't see a thing because I didn't resonate at the frequency these were coming in at.

Joan Ocean is also an amazing person who is out there on the fringe yet she is also a contactee and has experiences that even blow my mind away. It would not be fair to discount my experience with her because of my own personal failures and/or inexperience.

[tone3jaguar]

Yeah, that is why I am on unemployment and have 300 bucks in the bank. Because I am a paid disinformation agent by the Greer superstructure of disinfo people. Don't quit your day job there Watson.

[qbeac]

Originally Posted by Jnana

I get your point, I just don't agree (entirely). The GEET device provides about a 20% to 30% increase in gas mileage (data from a single French test vehicle). If that kind of result is common, that is indeed significant and worthwhile, I don't dispute that....

Jnana, considering the huge efforts the global elite does to try to control MSM to suppress all kinds of forbidden info (free energy, 911 fraud, swine flu vaccination fraud, anthropogenic global warming fraud, etc.), raising the level of public awareness (about free energy and other things) is not only “trivial or unimportant”, but on the contrary, “extremely important”.

In fact, what the elite is probably trying to prevent is precisely the awakening of the masses (the critical mass), because they know such a global awakening could mean their end.

Further more, that’s one of the purposes of Project Camelot, helping to get this global awakening. So, any effort in that direction should be welcome.

But let’s suppose for a moment that it’s not appropriate for Dr. Greer to go to CNN to talk about free energy (GEET, etc.), even though he already was in CNN and other channels talking about UFOs (Washington Press Club, 2001).

In such a case, instead of going to the CNN, he could perhaps show a Pantone GEET device in some of his seminaries and conferences, or do a video an put it in YouTube to show it to his audience (people who already trust him), and give them the free blueprints, and publish the performance tests that AERO and Orion Project could easily do to verify that technology, or things of that nature.

That’s what Panacea University is doing.

Why don’t Dr. Greer and his team of experts do similar things? That would be compatible and complementary with their other current activities.

I look at the Panacea University’s web site, or Jean Louis Naudin’s web site (both about free energy), and I see TONS of “practical” and “useful” free energy info (blueprints, detailed building instructions, pictures, graphics, experimental results, etc.), info which is helping thousands/millions of regular people to realize of the reality of free energy, and I think: these guys seem honest, they really seem to want to promote free energy among the general public.

Using a computer analogy, Panacea University could be like Windows Vista (user friendly), while Greer’s sites (AERO, Orion Project) look like an old beta version of MSDOS computer language (hard to use, only for experts, maybe it doesn’t work, maybe it doesn’t even suppose to work...?)

For instance, in my case, I did not see the blueprints of the Pantone GEET motor (and other devices) in Greer’s site, but in Panacea University and JLN.

Compare and judge by yourselves:

Panacea University, free energy
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/courses.htm

Jean Louis Naudin, free energy
http://jnaudin.free.fr/

The Orion Project & AERO (Dr. Steven Greer)
http://www.theorionproject.org
http://www.aero2012.com/en/index.html

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Considering the above, there are several “possible hypothesis”. Which one will be the right one?

a) Dr. Greer is honest and sincere (?). In that case, it would be good if he could give us very good answers to the questions we are presenting here to him, as well as participate in open debates with his peers (Ex: Alfred Webre, Project Camelot, etc.).

b) Dr. Greer (or the current one, not the 1994 one?) is a double agent (?) (infiltrated, gatekeeper) who is playing a game with society based on a clever strategy by which he always has the perfect excuse. For instance, first he is a useful instrument to identify the best free energy devices so that men in black can suppress them, and then he says: “I tried hard but at the very last moment, the men in black intimidated the inventor, or he got scared, or they stole the equipment, or, or, or”..... to infinity, till the next 26,000 years cycle.

c) Other options (say which...?).

Based on all these considerations, which possibility do people think is more probable, plausible, or realistic?

P.S. Btw, Dr. Greer said that all his Disclosure Project witnesses have not suffered any threats, and I think that’s because he put in place some sort of protection system. That’s great. But if that is so, why doesn’t he offer the same protection to Henry Deacon after he talked about the colony in Mars, or having gone there by teleportation, etc.?