Will you leave if the forum is a Paid Subscription?

Originally Posted by Gale

Simon, you are not going to get your questions answered.
This project is no longer about truth. It has been infiltrated and over run. Just look at the moderating Carol and her minions do and to who.

I see that gale has been banned. Im wondering if its because she spoke her mind?

[Bill Ryan]

Originally Posted by Simon

So am i to understand that subscriptions paid to Avalon, for Avalon, will be used to pay for Camelot research?

Yes. The two are different divisions (for lack of a better word) of the same enterprise.

If this is the case, then it is apparent that the donations made to Camelot are all of a sudden insufficient?

Correct: they're all very much appreciated - every one, from anyone, of any amount - but when added up together they're not enough. IF we had a very wealthy donor or two (for instance), then we would be happy to make Avalon free as well. We're not trying to get rich here... we're trying to keep going.

If members are paying for a subscription to Avalon, then Avalon is where the money should be spent.

No, because without Camelot there would be no Avalon. The two are inextricably linked.

This also brings me to a question about how the money would be spent at Avalon. After the small hosting fee is paid, what will happen to the remainder of the funds?

It funds Camelot videos and research.

A further question regarding information posted at Avalon - Who owns this info once it has been posted? According to Bill, the original poster no longer owns the information once posted, so who does? Surely the official owner of the info posted by members, is the only person who can charge people to view this info.

Did I say that? I don't remember ever doing so, and it doesn't sound like anything I would have said. I have no interest in that way of thinking... it's not about ownership of anything - or insisting that anyone does NOT own anything. I don't think in terms of ownership at all, as those who know me well will testify.

I would also like to know who has been deleting my posts, and why? I have had no explanation as yet, and to the best of my knowledge, i have only posted truthful facts.

I've not had the time to follow your posts in any detail, and have not deleted any of them.

Very best wishes, Bill

I would be forced to leave. I have been somewhat off the grid for a while, other than electricity and internet (no gas all electric heat and I use mostly purified rain water for drinking, cooking and gardening) I have no credit card or bank account to forward any type of funds I would have to pay in person!

[raegpoort]

How about someone take a "Hit for the team" and get a sugar DADDY!!!

That's a great way to fund the cause....

[piers2210]

I agree 100% with what Hopeful says above....

if the Forum needs funds, then have a VOLUNTARY subscription for those who can afford it...you know who you are (which includes me!)

Thanks to all who post links and wonderful info which helps people like me become aware... love and light to all

[piers2210]

PS Hopeful's comments were on Page 1 of the Thread...

[Deathstar]

Why does it always come down to the money, it's so sad. I hope PC and PA don't become like other sites with paid subscriptions. The information needs to be out for free to everyone......! I've they want change a paid subscription isn't the solution, most people will leave and find an other free places to exchange free information.

I understand it from a cost based picture but if you can't afford it close it, simple!

Peace.

[Dean Plejaren]

Why does it always come down to the money

Because of mindcontrol..........

With me or anyone I co-operate with it doesn't. People come first. Anything else is secondary. Empowerment of the individual first through collective co-operation.

[unlimited mind]

i have not read this entire thread, but the pages i did read had many valid points concerning charging for the FORUM. the information that PC puts out into the world, has opened many doors for many people. obviously, here we all are. B&K have been doing this for free for many years. they are still not asking people to pay for the information they gather. in fact, i think in the announcement made by PC the entire forum will be able to be accessed by whomever would like to read it.

i make this point because this forum is how all of US came to meet one another. be grateful to have such outrageous companionship and the ability to connect with one another keyboard to keyboard. (and for most of us, conscious awareness of the eXchange, energy grid to energy grid)

money is energy. power is having your energy return to you from where ever you left it.

here are some of the questions i asked myself when the paid forum arrived?

has PC assisted you to discern the world with new eyes? were you able to recall your energy from belief systems that were false, and contributing to the madness of slumbering consciousness? can you sacrifice one gallon of gas a month to assist PC to continue on with their journey, and hopefully stir the pot a bit more waking up more folks? can you make a difference with a donation or fee?

we interchange energy everyday, all day long. the world is out of balance because so many people are taking, and not giving. this is not sustainable. this point should be contemplated if you are considering support or non-support for the very people that have been on a march to wake folks up from their slumber.

so the big question is, how can you support the greater shift in consciousness. who are you going to share your energy with, and what will be the experience gained from the eXchange.

i think it is more than obvious, that most of social consciousness is at the tipping point. as a group, we are all standing on the edge of a chasm waiting for someone, or something to come along a give us a nudge. well, i dare say, as a group, we might be standing there for millions of years.

the right use of knowledge is power. we must begin, as that same group, to ACT in ways that support the greater good of everyone. and we have to do this by pushing ourselves over that edge.

this is how we can shift out of the old brain ways, and the consciousness of lack that comes along with focusing on money as value or valuable. the more we resist this collapse of the old brain, the more chaos will be created. this is a powerful teaching from nature herself, and she is about to start her class. it is called LOVE and SURRENDER 101.

so remember folkies, support one another from your hearts.

[MAP]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rn0bgdsCxXE

[Dean Plejaren]

77% say they are leaving with the subscription in place.


What a mistake. It's definitely got nothing to do with the peoples best interest.

[Rebel4Life]

Thanks Bill and Karen looks like my thread is still there to spread the word.

[Mark]

Even though the cost of the subscription is nominal, I've just not got it to spend on food let alone this forum, I'm not going to be able to continue supporting this forum and will go elsewhere from now on. Hasn't Bill or Kerry seen the poll? Has the 'Man' got to them? This all seems very strange haven't to have to pay when the whole purpose of this forum and infomation - again - has the powers-that-be love it to be - the ones with the money have their say and keep their control.

Does anyone else have the feeling that we are on the wrong side?

[Bill Ryan]

Originally Posted by Dean Plejaren

77% say they are leaving with the subscription in place.

What a mistake. It's definitely got nothing to do with the peoples best interest.

77% did not know that the minimum subscription was $1 a month, or that a subscribing member could sponsor a nominated member who felt they could not afford that.

[Peace2all]

How do you put a cost on knowledge, friendship, inspiration etc. I have wasted money on stupid books, boring workshops and not to mention time I would have wasted searching for some of the information on this site. Let alone some of the amazing people we have met and made contact with from all over the world! How hard is it to find people like us in your neighborhood?
I can understand that there are running costs involved, but what I don't like is that all cannot afford to stay. Gregor for one puts the most incredible posts, he spends hours of time researching and is a real ASSET. It would be a real shame to Project Avalon to loose the "free wisdom" some of these unable to subscribe.
As a suggestion along with donations for others who cant afford subscription. Maybe some sort of monthly thread vote and "free subscription" offered to those that post popular threads?
Just another issue is we tried to organise a Ground Crew meeting and had issues with some being concerned with security of meeting, phone numbers addresses and such let alone giving out your credit card name details etc. I'm concerned this may not be a good direction to take for Avalon, don't we want to get rid of credit cards anyway? Would not like to see people go because of dam stupid money.

[Sol Invictus]

Guess I'll be saying good bye then. Its not the paying that is the problem, it is the principal of it.

You want us to create lots of posts for lots of traffic for your financial benefit, and get us to pay for it? A' freaking 'mazing.

[iainl140285]

People leaving due to the pricipal factor, thats fine. Everyone has a choice.

People who cannot pay $1 a month ... this I find really worrying. Are there truly users on this forum who cannot donnate $1 a month for the service that is being provided??


Peace
Iain


ps. Any Mods - can you give us a timeline here of when this is to start please? Then everyone can make their decision and move on.
Cheers

[Rumas]

It saddens me to see this Avalon fall apart.
So I created an alternative for anyone who can't afford it.

Sharing information should be free!!

http://unhypnotize.com/ A subscription free forum!! All are welcome!!

If I can afford to make a subscription free forum why can't Avalon?

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showp...2&postcount=26

This forum, projectavalon.com, doesn't know what they have and are about to lose it. Free speech is number 1. Free sharing should also be number 1. We will never have paid subscriptions. Paid subscriptions never work. I know this because I am a forum owner and it backfires every time. This new forum was created specifically for the Project Avalon users who cannot afford or refuse to subscribe to Avalon. By forcing users to pay to post, limits the amount of information that is available. ALL are welcomed at unhypnotize.com. A FREE open forum to share ideas and information.

http://unhypnotize.com

[Carol]

People come here because of the work that both Kerry and Bill did at Camelot. That work is not ending and neither is the info that is being generated here by them or our team. Anyone can read for free at any time.

[Sol Invictus]

Actually, you know some thing, I just sat and thought about it.

I read the news papers. In order to read them i pay for them. I pay a £1.40 a day.

If I ditch the papers and subscribe here... i'll have real news, real people, and interaction with like minded folks.

I cannot believe it took me so long to figure that out....

DOH!

[Rumas]

Originally Posted by Carol

People come here because of the work that both Kerry and Bill did at Camelot. That work is not ending and neither is the info that is being generated here by them or our team. Anyone can read for free at any time.

But the sources of information will be severely limited! Yes anyone can READ it, but they can't contribute. I own 9 forums, I have tried subscriptions, it has dropped interactive users to 10-15 %. Without users you don't have a forum!

The definition of forum is: a public facility to meet for "open" discussions.

Its no longer OPEN when you force people to subscribe. So its no longer a forum.

[GaiaLove]

I retract my vote, after a week of reading posts related to this topic as well as Bill and Kerry's comments, I will definitely be staying on here.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

I have no problem with a subscription if they need the money to continue the site. BUT...

THE SITE MUST REMAIN OPEN AND FREE TO ALL, WEATHER THEY PAID A DONATION OR NOT.

Otherwise a class system will devolop of "us" & "them." I have seen it happen before.

If any part of the site is closed off, I would leave.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by Kevin

According to this poll, it looks like that many members may leave the forum. Please continue the poll. And tell us why you think Avalon should be free.

I would like for you to tell why it would become a paid subscription forum, if it does.
And under witch conditions ...

For now i'd have to say ... I'd leave

[WalkerTalker]

ask for donations in a creative way where it is always in front of us. there will be days i will be inspired to give and days I wont- make it easy and conveniant, allow people who donate unlimited posts, but only allow 2 or three a week for non- donators. The people who support get more perks and points, because they are carrying the poad. It would be fair that way. Make the floor donation level very easy- like a five dollar for that month. Dont do auto debet- give us a month to month option. No one likes "to cancel" . If I donate that month I get more access and more posts.