We are not one! - Page 5

burgundia · 08-31-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Swanny

As the majority of the people on the planet openly eat insects I wonder what people think of that? Are insects more evoled than plants?

Even veggies are responsible for the death of insects. They are killed while harvesting the crop and are killed in the process of making food, next time you are eating your bread don't worry about the tiny little pieces of fly you are eating, in feeding ourselves it is impossible not to kill something.
So if by causing the death of something gives you a karmatic debt then we are all massively in debt.

Stick around krystal you might just learn something

The most important thing is not to exaggerate....So please everybody here who is becoming indignant that humans are food for reptilians ( if the whole thing is true), don't complain about that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! reptilians have the right to eat you!!!!

dagon · 08-31-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Vidya Moksha

No. I dont see it anymore. I became veggie 25 years ago and I havent eaten meat since. In the last years I started working with the shamans and visited the stone worlds, and the plant worlds and other amazing places. Plants are alive, they have a consciousness, they 'feel' pain. I genuinely do not see the difference. Though I still choose not to eat meat.

Seriously, please explain to me the difference. Dont challenge my belief system, explain your own.

I agree whole heartedly,plants have a circulatory system. thy breath. express them selves. and the list go no. I just sorry more people don't see this and and respect the plant life more. it ok to eat them. that what we do, that's what your teeth were designed for. Im not bashing plant eaters. I applaud it. I eat meat. I have harvested my own food. I feel this connects to the earth more than if you go to the store. if you think not. go grow a garden. does that connect you to the earth. I think so, the same can be said for harvesting an animal. and until you have dun it. you wouldn't understand. I think jesus usto walk the desert with some sheep. and I dont think he was fallowing the heard. duuring the healing sessions there were 100 if not 1000 on animals slotdered to appease the gods. do the research. I believe he was a fishermen. the story of the 2 fish. god dam holier than now.

solar is toxic and requires oil to make the panels. lots of it. it no more green than a coal plant. the old bait and swithch trick. and we eat it up. so blind we are. people are funny. aren't they. holier than now.

god created all living creatures. beautiful creatures thay all are. If I eat one there life energy gives me subtenants. there life energy. it is a sacrifice. plant animal. dont fool yourselves. were no different from each other. look a little deeper and you will se that. Look at me Im a fish. a beautiful lamb. I would prefer the life of an steelhead salmon over a carrot.

I think its healthy to have a well rounded diet.
and I wont feel your guilt. for living or dieing.
I mhoping the crabs in ther ocean eats me. or a great white. save on barial costs.

Phtha · 08-31-2009, 03:30 PM

Good point as that is exactly what they are doing, anything to justify the killings they partake in.

btw I harvest my garden without killing insects.

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Originally Posted by burgundia

The most important thing is not to exaggerate....So please everybody here who is becoming indignant that humans are food for reptilians ( if the whole thing is true), don't complain about that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! reptilians have the right to eat you!!!!

RedeZra · 08-31-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Vidya Moksha

Seriously, please explain to me the difference. Dont challenge my belief system, explain your own.

In essence you are right there is no difference between anything because all is Consciousness

We all share the same essence with element mineral plant animal God

But most of us live and function in the apparent reality with its abundant diversity of forms and level of awareness
So it is natural and practical to make distinctions regarding for instance what to eat what to avoid whatever

Common sense says not to approach the tiger eventho in essence it is same as us namely Consciousness but who thinks twice about lifting a little kitten

So we have to eat

But its no good argument to say plants are conscious too so we might as well eat animals also

There is a distinction in the level of awareness between plants and animals

Consciousness is awake in the Animal Kingom
Consciousness is dreaming in the Vegetable Kingdom

Also i believe the effect of animal slaughter with its blood and gore affect us more adversly then the harvest of plants

Again in essence all is Consciousness

And we live in a world where practical distinctions ought to be made

dagon · 08-31-2009, 03:58 PM

week augments . and there just that. dividing us all. I don't care to defend myself. no need , just trying to open you eyes a bit further. this conversation is like religion. dbl sided and once it get in its hard to get out. dividing us all. I don't judge plant eaters. but Its almost like racism wit this topic with some plant eaters. I guess Im just a useless eater.. open you minds and your hearts and look at what were doing with this conversation. were drawing battle lines. not me. I applaud you for your choices. and I respect your views. to bad you don't mine. now that's Consciousness behavior.

RedeZra · 08-31-2009, 04:25 PM

I also eat a little meat

But its better if we try to restrict it for the sake of our spirituality and for the well being of our conscious awake animals

Sure plants are conscious too engaged in a dream

We have to eat

So we should choose most from the kingdom of plants and less from the animal kingdom

Vidya Moksha · 08-31-2009, 04:26 PM

I concur Dagon. My posts were aimed initially at what seemed to be tired old dogma, peddled out without personal experience or awareness. Mixed with a dose of current disinformed propaganda and lack of real environmental awareness. I think awareness and a conscious choice is the answer. And its immoral to impose morals onto someone else, its your life choice and no one elses, we are all ultimately accountable (and to ourselves most likely) for what we do.
I was also waiting for someone who could see auras to comment, many people who do see them wouldnt touch processed fast foods just for the aura they give off.

Swanny · 08-31-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by burgundia

The most important thing is not to exaggerate....So please everybody here who is becoming indignant that humans are food for reptilians ( if the whole thing is true), don't complain about that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! reptilians have the right to eat you!!!!

When we die unless we are cremated something will eat us.
I don't care what happens to my body once I have left it

I will leave it in this physical dimension

14 Chakras · 08-31-2009, 04:50 PM

Heaven has not come to earth yet. It's not about following some outer set of rules to make that happen. It's about remembering who we are.

It's true that heavy meats can interfere with people's spiritual awakening, and it is ideal to avoid them.

However, people are not animals, human beings are sons and daughters of God. It's true. It's that simple. As long as we believe we're just evolved animals, we'll be kept out of the kingdom of heaven within us.

Animal's generally have an oversoul, meaning, they do not each have an individual soul (generally speaking).

Some species are far more developed spiritually than others, like dolphins. Some pets have individual consciousness, but most don't. They are part of the greater animal spirit.

For example, grizzly bears are emanations of the grizzly bear over soul, most dogs are emanations of the dog over soul (but not all, some are elementals), when they die they simply go back into the greater over soul they are a part of behind the scenes of this world. Same goes for 99%+ of animals on planet earth.

Human beings on the other hand, have three fold flames in our hearts and soul matrix's. We are the reason planet earth exist and we are here to be reborn into the reality of who we are as individualization's of the infinite, co-creators with it.

Animal spirits, and elementals that inhabit animals from time to time, evolve spiritually when they provide a service to humans. Eventually, those who excel, will earn their three fold flames and from there, they can earn life eternal when they have the true realization of Self that we are here to have happen within us Now.

In the future, people will no longer eat meat. But again, it's not about following outer rules to get us into that more symbiotic future, it's about shifting our own consciousness to awaken to the divinity within us.

That being said, if we are guided to promote vegetarianism this is a good thing! What do you think about taking an approach of promoting an "Alkaline diet" because this alone will protect us very well from viruses, disease and sickness?

Do we think comparing people to animals is a correct approach? Isn't it possible this will lead us to being further trapped in our illusions of worthlessness and powerlessness as the elite steam role us with their plots, plans and conspiracies?

We must awaken to the divine loving intelligence and God power, wisdom and love within us in order to raise up our planet.

RedeZra · 08-31-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Vidya Moksha

...I think awareness and a conscious choice is the answer. And its immoral to impose morals onto someone else, its your life choice and no one elses, we are all ultimately accountable (and to ourselves most likely) for what we do...

What is common sense for one is nonsense for another

So be it

We cannot come to agree all of us on everything

Let each follow the desires of the heart and the dictates of the mind

It is impossible to deviate much from ones own nature

But inasmuch as I speak it is only words that stumble from my mouth

Luminari · 09-01-2009, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Swanny

Luminari I am doing exactly that and am happy about it

Can't help noticing you saying you would never challenge other people on their diet but then go on to insult people that smoke

Sorry for not understanding but how does eating the flesh of a fish differ to that of an animal?

You are what you eat, right?
Well if you eat DEAD MEAT then what are you?

Yes Swanny I hate smokers and take every opportunity to poke fun at them in my own special way.

Well I'm sorry my friend for being honest... I guess by my own logic I am only 95% human and actually 5% DEAD FISH MAN (ohh smelly)

Lighten up, you dead meat eating smokers are a defensive lot.

Im just having some fun.

Luminari · 09-01-2009, 04:29 AM

Let me rephrase that a bit better: I don't hate smokers... I hate smoking.

Why do I care? because I want people to be healthy and happy... yes thats it, I love smokers and want the best for them and their families.

Believe it.

Its called tough love.

Christo888 · 09-01-2009, 05:23 AM

Holy Cow!!!!

This thread has a few bones to pick!!!

But cerealsly,

Eating LSD loaded grains I bet is pretty trippy for some, especially when the man-made planetary microwave systems resonate within your conscious thoughts and nightly dreams to evoke false assurances of eutopia.

And I can see that sometimes evolved complex alkaline rich plants have to be sacrificed in order to kill cancers in the body... poor cancer has to be killed.

I wonder if there is a reward for good plants that do good deeds such as these?

I bet it would be cool to be a Shaman and have the plants talk to you and give you answers to age old questions, and complex mathematical formulas, and recipes for medicines to heal and cure diseases you can probably even see faces within them as they all take on certain characteristics of consciousness...

Or to be an Animal Whisperer and learn the emotions of your pets and hear the lives and Camaraderie of penned livestock and beasts of the field living in the wild running free and sovereign and how they forage and hunt for their next meal or starve to death...

Even to swim within the presence of schools of fish all turning and spinning in synchronicity into a bait ball meal for the Godly higher consciousness, highly evolved dolphin and whale spirits even the seals and tabooed gods of the other worlds disembodied and living in the great man-eating sharks...

But ohhhh to soar with the majestic eagles and spirit hawks hovering over all the land, watching and protecting as great spirits of heaven in all regions of the world swooping down to slice a snakes head off or pick up a mother/pregnant rabbit for a quick meal before pictures are taken for all of us to appreciate and worship the beauty of Gods wonderful creations of flight...

****,

now what can I eat... dirt! ... oh wait that grows plants and has minerals in it which radiate and conduct electromagnetism to help animate life... Mother Earth is that you?

Hungry anyone?

Christo888 · 09-01-2009, 05:36 AM

So my real question is... are Shamans meat eaters and Beast Masters vegetarians?

And do Noble Beings have an Ego?

09-01-2009, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Christo888

But ohhhh to soar with the majestic eagles and spirit hawks hovering over all the land, watching and protecting as great spirits of heaven in all regions of the world swooping down to slice a snakes head off or pick up a mother/pregnant rabbit for a quick meal before pictures are taken for all of us to appreciate and worship the beauty of Gods wonderful creations of flight...

Hungry anyone?

Hi Christo - Actually, no, not hungry, but I just ate (feta cheese sandwich on old country black bread and leftover coleslaw plus tea). I liked your insights here. I'd post a golden eagle vs deer video I saw, but no again - it's not la-la in outer (forum) space. I live near the Rocky Mountains and we periodically hear about people being eaten by cougars, grizzly especially; pets get picked off by coyotes; climber newbies forget they can die. It's life.

BROOK · 09-01-2009, 06:40 AM

Wormhole · 09-01-2009, 06:52 AM

Are we all ONE. Yes, and No. Is this universe limited? No, I think not. Is there any manifestation that can not be? No, I think not. One. One is more then just a promise. One means that we have connection with each other, but that we are solvent and autonomous.

Let us continue. ONE does not mean giving up an aspect of my being, it means realizing the concept that I am just not myself... and that I am more then me. Me is just a bit of ego, a bit of wanting to be heard, needing to be loved. What I really am is a crazy fool connected to every other fool. I love my fool.

We are. And we are more. We have an amazing ability to see that we are not just us... but a part of a very great thing. If you let go of your ego, you become ONE with the idea, yet you do not leave the knowing that you are in control of your own destiny.

What I am saying is that you need to know or be aware of a concept that if you live in the ONE, you are not giving up anything. In fact you are gaining all. ALL. ALL.

There need not be a gate, there need not be a guru, there need not be anything beyond the ultimate knowing that you (all) is, are. I hope that makes sense.

I love you, me. I love the search.

Peace of mind through the heart,
Wormhole

Wormhole · 09-01-2009, 07:00 AM

Ego:

Ask your ego: What is my relationship to the present moment?
What you resist persists.
Accept what is first, action from acceptance not resistance.
How present you are defines your spirituality.
The ego overlooks the NOW.
People in the ego live as though the present moment is their enemy.
Ego constantly compares itself to others to find superiority.
The ego is a false sense of self based on concepts people identify with.
Wanting keeps the ego alive more then having.

Ekhart Toole

rhythm · 09-01-2009, 08:15 AM

Maby you will discover there is no one here
only awareness ...

but in the illuision there apear to be many

with many differences ....

the great tapestry called life ...

Anchor · 09-01-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by rhythm

Maby you will discover there is no one here
only awareness ...

but in the illuision there apear to be many

with many differences ....

the great tapestry called life ...

Or, and David Wilcocks friend Larry Seyer says a lot: "there is only one of us here!"

A..

14 Chakras · 09-01-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Wormhole

Are we all ONE. Yes, and No. Is this universe limited? No, I think not. Is there any manifestation that can not be? No, I think not. One. One is more then just a promise. One means that we have connection with each other, but that we are solvent and autonomous.

Let us continue. ONE does not mean giving up an aspect of my being, it means realizing the concept that I am just not myself... and that I am more then me. Me is just a bit of ego, a bit of wanting to be heard, needing to be loved. What I really am is a crazy fool connected to every other fool. I love my fool.

We are. And we are more. We have an amazing ability to see that we are not just us... but a part of a very great thing. If you let go of your ego, you become ONE with the idea, yet you do not leave the knowing that you are in control of your own destiny.

What I am saying is that you need to know or be aware of a concept that if you live in the ONE, you are not giving up anything. In fact you are gaining all. ALL. ALL.

There need not be a gate, there need not be a guru, there need not be anything beyond the ultimate knowing that you (all) is, are. I hope that makes sense.

I love you, me. I love the search.

Peace of mind through the heart,
Wormhole

Wormhole, this is some excellent stuff! I can see a few "A ha" moments in there. I think you've done an excellent job describing Oneness and what it's ALL about... not losing something, rather becoming much More.

This is the gift of creation, we are sons and daughters of God, as we see through the veil of illusion, we don't lose the "I" we just become More in the process. We don't become everyone else, we just see we're interconnected with everyone and everything else, and therefore it's in our best interest to shine our light on everyone rather than trying to cause anything harm or take away from it.

Oneness is NOT sameness. Oneness IS.

14 Chakras · 09-01-2009, 06:04 PM

P.S. The only thing I would add to what you said Wormhole is I take a different approach to your line here:

"Me is just a bit of ego, a bit of wanting to be heard, needing to be loved. What I really am is a crazy fool connected to every other fool. I love my fool."

The real, interconnected, empowered, pure, divine YOU (not such a fool really after all!) also love's love! However, it knows that the love that we seek is within us, and is a part of us. Our enlightened Self is just not caught in the illusion that we will find that kind of love outside of ourselves. In fact, I believe a key realization for us on the path will be when we see clearly that we ARE that love, we are made of love and the source has infinite, infinite, love for you. Then we ourselves will be love made manifest, as we become an open door for that infinite source of love within us.

lindabaker · 09-01-2009, 11:42 PM

Back to the topic of veggie vs. flesh eaters. I am vegetarian. I eat dairy and eggs. I'm still a young enough woman to need iron. I don't need meat at all. The vitamin b12 issue is solved with dairy and eggs. So here is one thing I have noticed twice after switching from flesh to fresh: the smell of decaying meat on the breath of carnivores is really really bad. I can't even sit at the symphony next to carnivore friends anymore. Anyone else have that problem? What do you say to them without hurting their feelings? "Here, have a breath mint, Bacteria Breath?"

Go back to Jurrasic Park, T-Rex.

Christo888 · 09-02-2009, 12:30 AM

Well, at least your still going to the symphony!!!

I'm having a hard time just getting in an elevator with anyone else, nonetheless having to hit the buttons after watching people cough into their hands then touch the buttons... ya kinda like the restroom door thingy... Oh the sighs of them all in a box!!!!

dagon · 09-02-2009, 01:17 AM

I just solved all our differences.

Growing meat without growing animals.

http://www.slate.com/id/2189676/

Two years ago, I proposed a compromise between carnivores and vegetarians: We couldn't change our craving for meat, but we could change the way we sated it. The solution was to grow meat in labs, the way we grow therapeutic tissue from stem cells.

I wonder if monsanto is involved...

I do agree our eating habits are all wrong. I can agree with that. put meat and protein is crucial to brain development and so on. the more natural whole foods the better.

08-31-2009, 03:58 PM	#105
dagon Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Glen Ellen Ca Posts: 611	Re: We are not one! week augments . and there just that. dividing us all. I don't care to defend myself. no need , just trying to open you eyes a bit further. this conversation is like religion. dbl sided and once it get in its hard to get out. dividing us all. I don't judge plant eaters. but Its almost like racism wit this topic with some plant eaters. I guess Im just a useless eater.. open you minds and your hearts and look at what were doing with this conversation. were drawing battle lines. not me. I applaud you for your choices. and I respect your views. to bad you don't mine. now that's Consciousness behavior.

08-31-2009, 04:25 PM	#106
RedeZra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 539	Re: We are not one! I also eat a little meat But its better if we try to restrict it for the sake of our spirituality and for the well being of our conscious awake animals Sure plants are conscious too engaged in a dream We have to eat So we should choose most from the kingdom of plants and less from the animal kingdom

08-31-2009, 04:26 PM	#107
Vidya Moksha Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: here Posts: 109	Re: We are not one! I concur Dagon. My posts were aimed initially at what seemed to be tired old dogma, peddled out without personal experience or awareness. Mixed with a dose of current disinformed propaganda and lack of real environmental awareness. I think awareness and a conscious choice is the answer. And its immoral to impose morals onto someone else, its your life choice and no one elses, we are all ultimately accountable (and to ourselves most likely) for what we do. I was also waiting for someone who could see auras to comment, many people who do see them wouldnt touch processed fast foods just for the aura they give off.

08-31-2009, 04:50 PM	#109
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: We are not one! Heaven has not come to earth yet. It's not about following some outer set of rules to make that happen. It's about remembering who we are. It's true that heavy meats can interfere with people's spiritual awakening, and it is ideal to avoid them. However, people are not animals, human beings are sons and daughters of God. It's true. It's that simple. As long as we believe we're just evolved animals, we'll be kept out of the kingdom of heaven within us. Animal's generally have an oversoul, meaning, they do not each have an individual soul (generally speaking). Some species are far more developed spiritually than others, like dolphins. Some pets have individual consciousness, but most don't. They are part of the greater animal spirit. For example, grizzly bears are emanations of the grizzly bear over soul, most dogs are emanations of the dog over soul (but not all, some are elementals), when they die they simply go back into the greater over soul they are a part of behind the scenes of this world. Same goes for 99%+ of animals on planet earth. Human beings on the other hand, have three fold flames in our hearts and soul matrix's. We are the reason planet earth exist and we are here to be reborn into the reality of who we are as individualization's of the infinite, co-creators with it. Animal spirits, and elementals that inhabit animals from time to time, evolve spiritually when they provide a service to humans. Eventually, those who excel, will earn their three fold flames and from there, they can earn life eternal when they have the true realization of Self that we are here to have happen within us Now. In the future, people will no longer eat meat. But again, it's not about following outer rules to get us into that more symbiotic future, it's about shifting our own consciousness to awaken to the divinity within us. That being said, if we are guided to promote vegetarianism this is a good thing! What do you think about taking an approach of promoting an "Alkaline diet" because this alone will protect us very well from viruses, disease and sickness? Do we think comparing people to animals is a correct approach? Isn't it possible this will lead us to being further trapped in our illusions of worthlessness and powerlessness as the elite steam role us with their plots, plans and conspiracies? We must awaken to the divine loving intelligence and God power, wisdom and love within us in order to raise up our planet. Last edited by 14 Chakras; 08-31-2009 at 07:45 PM.

09-01-2009, 04:29 AM	#112
Luminari Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 2,570	Re: We are not one! Let me rephrase that a bit better: I don't hate smokers... I hate smoking. Why do I care? because I want people to be healthy and happy... yes thats it, I love smokers and want the best for them and their families. Believe it. Its called *tough love*.

09-01-2009, 05:23 AM	#113
Christo888 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: OC, CA and next... Posts: 1,289	Re: We are not one! Holy Cow!!!! This thread has a few bones to pick!!! But cerealsly, Eating LSD loaded grains I bet is pretty trippy for some, especially when the man-made planetary microwave systems resonate within your conscious thoughts and nightly dreams to evoke false assurances of eutopia. And I can see that sometimes evolved complex alkaline rich plants have to be sacrificed in order to kill cancers in the body... poor cancer has to be killed. I wonder if there is a reward for good plants that do good deeds such as these? I bet it would be cool to be a Shaman and have the plants talk to you and give you answers to age old questions, and complex mathematical formulas, and recipes for medicines to heal and cure diseases you can probably even see faces within them as they all take on certain characteristics of consciousness... Or to be an Animal Whisperer and learn the emotions of your pets and hear the lives and Camaraderie of penned livestock and beasts of the field living in the wild running free and sovereign and how they forage and hunt for their next meal or starve to death... Even to swim within the presence of schools of fish all turning and spinning in synchronicity into a bait ball meal for the Godly higher consciousness, highly evolved dolphin and whale spirits even the seals and tabooed gods of the other worlds disembodied and living in the great man-eating sharks... But ohhhh to soar with the majestic eagles and spirit hawks hovering over all the land, watching and protecting as great spirits of heaven in all regions of the world swooping down to slice a snakes head off or pick up a mother/pregnant rabbit for a quick meal before pictures are taken for all of us to appreciate and worship the beauty of Gods wonderful creations of flight... ****, now what can I eat... dirt! ... oh wait that grows plants and has minerals in it which radiate and conduct electromagnetism to help animate life... Mother Earth is that you? Hungry anyone?

09-01-2009, 05:36 AM	#114
Christo888 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: OC, CA and next... Posts: 1,289	Re: We are not one! So my real question is... are Shamans meat eaters and Beast Masters vegetarians? And do Noble Beings have an Ego?

09-01-2009, 06:40 AM	#116
BROOK Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,117	Re: We are not one!

09-01-2009, 06:52 AM	#117
Wormhole Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 506	Re: We are not one! Are we all ONE. Yes, and No. Is this universe limited? No, I think not. Is there any manifestation that can not be? No, I think not. One. One is more then just a promise. One means that we have connection with each other, but that we are solvent and autonomous. Let us continue. ONE does not mean giving up an aspect of my being, it means realizing the concept that I am just not myself... and that I am more then me. Me is just a bit of ego, a bit of wanting to be heard, needing to be loved. What I really am is a crazy fool connected to every other fool. I love my fool. We are. And we are more. We have an amazing ability to see that we are not just us... but a part of a very great thing. If you let go of your ego, you become ONE with the idea, yet you do not leave the knowing that you are in control of your own destiny. What I am saying is that you need to know or be aware of a concept that if you live in the ONE, you are not giving up anything. In fact you are gaining all. ALL. ALL. There need not be a gate, there need not be a guru, there need not be anything beyond the ultimate knowing that you (all) is, are. I hope that makes sense. I love you, me. I love the search. Peace of mind through the heart, Wormhole

09-01-2009, 07:00 AM	#118
Wormhole Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 506	Re: We are not one! Ego: Ask your ego: What is my relationship to the present moment? What you resist persists. Accept what is first, action from acceptance not resistance. How present you are defines your spirituality. The ego overlooks the NOW. People in the ego live as though the present moment is their enemy. Ego constantly compares itself to others to find superiority. The ego is a false sense of self based on concepts people identify with. Wanting keeps the ego alive more then having. Ekhart Toole

09-01-2009, 08:15 AM	#119
rhythm Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: devon england Posts: 1,905	Re: We are not one! Maby you will discover there is no one here only awareness ... but in the illuision there apear to be many with many differences .... the great tapestry called life ...

09-01-2009, 06:04 PM	#122
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: We are not one! P.S. The only thing I would add to what you said Wormhole is I take a different approach to your line here: "Me is just a bit of ego, a bit of wanting to be heard, needing to be loved. What I really am is a crazy fool connected to every other fool. I love my fool." The real, interconnected, empowered, pure, divine YOU (not such a fool really after all!) also love's love! However, it knows that the love that we seek is within us, and is a part of us. Our enlightened Self is just not caught in the illusion that we will find that kind of love outside of ourselves. In fact, I believe a key realization for us on the path will be when we see clearly that we ARE that love, we are made of love and the source has infinite, infinite, love for you. Then we ourselves will be love made manifest, as we become an open door for that infinite source of love within us. Last edited by 14 Chakras; 09-01-2009 at 06:27 PM.

09-01-2009, 11:42 PM	#123
lindabaker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 504	Re: We are not one! Back to the topic of veggie vs. flesh eaters. I am vegetarian. I eat dairy and eggs. I'm still a young enough woman to need iron. I don't need meat at all. The vitamin b12 issue is solved with dairy and eggs. So here is one thing I have noticed twice after switching from flesh to fresh: the smell of decaying meat on the breath of carnivores is really really bad. I can't even sit at the symphony next to carnivore friends anymore. Anyone else have that problem? What do you say to them without hurting their feelings? "Here, have a breath mint, Bacteria Breath?"Go back to Jurrasic Park, T-Rex.

09-02-2009, 12:30 AM	#124
Christo888 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: OC, CA and next... Posts: 1,289	Re: We are not one! Well, at least your still going to the symphony!!! I'm having a hard time just getting in an elevator with anyone else, nonetheless having to hit the buttons after watching people cough into their hands then touch the buttons... ya kinda like the restroom door thingy... Oh the sighs of them all in a box!!!!

09-02-2009, 01:17 AM	#125
dagon Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Glen Ellen Ca Posts: 611	Re: We are not one! I just solved all our differences. Growing meat without growing animals. http://www.slate.com/id/2189676/ Two years ago, I proposed a compromise between carnivores and vegetarians: We couldn't change our craving for meat, but we could change the way we sated it. The solution was to grow meat in labs, the way we grow therapeutic tissue from stem cells. I wonder if monsanto is involved... I do agree our eating habits are all wrong. I can agree with that. put meat and protein is crucial to brain development and so on. the more natural whole foods the better.