Wingmakers: Fact, Fiction, or Good Story with some truth...

[ENdJOY]

Originally Posted by Kelphi

I think he is a master of ambiguity and circular reasoning whose words orchestrate a powerful suggestiveness to a wide variety of preconceived thought.

I suspect he works in concert with demons and their doctrines. Like I have said many times before they are a dead giveaway when they undermine and downplay Jesus Christ and His biblical truths.

It is eminent and paramount for all false teachers, and spirits and every religion on earth to dismantle and suppress the powerful truths of Jesus Christ. Thats how you know them. They all have this in common. Talk about control....

With Love,

Kelphi

Kelphi, I am wondering seriously, if you actually read the interview, or if you comment is based upon what you think the Wingmakers' materials are about, without haveing investigated them.

I say this because Jesus is very much a part of the WM's materials, one might understand that this IS the "second coming" of Jesus...since James mentions in this interview that the 2nd phase has begun.

Question 17 -- Who was Jesus Christ in relation to the WingMakers?

For those of you who will read these words, and are steeped in Christianity, forgive the manner of my response. I am not a man who communicates delicately when speaking my truth.

Jesus incarnated not for the purpose of begetting a religion. He simply expressed his vision of the spiritual dimensions, making First Source accessible and singular. His fellow humans were so eager for the fulfillment of prophecy that they imposed upon him the mantle of Messiah, which he hesitantly agreed to shoulder.

Jesus presently serves a leadership role in the teaching organization of which I spoke of earlier, which is made up of authentic spiritual leaders of earth. He is very much aware of both the WingMakers and Lyricus. An interesting footnote: While the religious organizations compete for human membership, those teachers who are responsible for the religions' origin operate in collaboration and cooperation beneath the same, bold banner: human evolution. Those teachers who have translated from the physical to the interdimensional realms remain powerful teachers of humanity. They shift their focus from individualistic missions to collaborative missions, and in this spirit of collaboration, become increasingly powerful as change agents for the human condition. Jesus, in particular, operates as a managing director of the teaching organization, and in this role, interfaces with Lyricus on planning and analysis of the Grand Portal.

There is a common understanding among the teaching core that the confluence of science, art, and religion is inevitable, and it will culminate in the scientific discovery of the human soul, and more specifically, how the human soul is designed. Much like the physical body has a human genome, the spiritual body, or Wholeness Navigator, has a spiritual genome. And this genome is far more important to understand than the human because it is the causal element, while the human genome is the receptor.

There are six components to this effort that are coordinated:

1. Lyricus designs, transposes, and installs galactic Tributary Zones to a planetary system

2. Earth teachers (non-physical) prepare the species for acceptance of the Grand Portal

3. Earth teachers (physical) discover the way to the Grand Portal via the Tributary Zones

4. Earth teachers (physical) disseminate and preserve the knowledge of the Grand Portal

5. Earth teachers (physical and non-physical) unite humanity to the Sovereign Integral Network

6. Source Intelligence and Lyricus facilitate the process throughout the Grand Universe

Jesus' role is of high importance in stage two, and in approximately eighty years, in stage five. He essentially leads this process with the collaborative assistance of the entire teaching organization of ascended (non-physical) teachers.

[Ashatav]

Wow, all are therms of the Urantia book.


deagle say that book are desinformation mised with semi-truths by the way.


My opinion is that the new world order new religion will be a mix of this urantia/wingmakers desinfo and the teosophic new age desinfo, mixing both streams of desinfo because is totally hegelian (problem -reaction -solution) what they are Allways do.

Like the capitalism - comunism to make the economic system they allways wanted who is something in middle and the "need" of the people will be the priority.

The evil part that is you don't have a fixed private propiety, an example:

In southafrica if you have a house and you go to vacations leaving the house alone and when you return the house is Occupied you Cannot kick the robbers out because they have the "need" for the house.

And that's is Today.

Read the rerum novarum haha evilness, and that enciclic is like from the 19th century, they allways have planned this thing.

And for the creators of the wingmakers and the urantia book that's ideas are really easy to make, the inteligence of the interdimentional beings are very hight, but inteligence without wisdom is Stupidity, like +1*-1=-1.

Cheers

[day]

The interview was great-- Bill and Kerry asked some complex questions and did not hold back in asking more questions about his answers.

the answers that James has given Can inspire people to focus on our future in a positive manner regarding the emerging changes in nature and our earth as well as ourselves.

[DenisSelivanov]

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

oh ye of little faith

the music is another "tool" like the art, just as there are frequencies cause by the clashing primary colors in the art...there are tones (some inaudible) embedded in the music... and the CD were released in a progressive order that build upon each other like a ladder, stimulating "junk" DNA into activation.

you can believe it or not, but what's the harm in trying?

is "magic" really dead ?

NOOOOOOOit's more alive than ever

[Ashatav]

Originally Posted by isotelesis

An interesting point made:

Each individual is a portal unto themselves, and this portal is the access point to the interdimensional worlds of the Sovereign Integral, where the human instrument, like a space suit, is finally removed and the individual realizes their true, infinite nature. And in this realization, understands that everyone – EVERYONE – is equal in this state, and in this equality we are ONE. The Grand Portal is when humanity stands-up as ONE BEING to this all-encompassing realization and then we transcend the suppression framework and express as Sovereigns...
The seeking of information is over. The seeking of a master, guru, religion, spiritual path, or way-shower is over. The seeking of objects of blame is over. The seeking of hidden information behind the dark forces is over. It is the expression of the Sovereign Integral consciousness and the deactivation of the suppression framework that becomes the focus of each individual in this new era.

There are some valuable messages in the material, although I wouldn't take it literally, we are probably on some type of progressive journey.

Wow, terribly Onenesslike is that statement. mmmmm


More doubts about the wingmakers-come-out-of-nowhere thing.


A lot of pseudotruths (like bill deagle describe the urantia book) to make the NWO teosophist religion.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Think about it: How you make the people believe in your new religion?


Cheerzo man.

[Myra]

Originally Posted by Ashatav

I stoped believing in the wingmakers material when I read in the second interview with Dr. Neruda that the Bush senior's New World Order is what they want to this world.
Read it in the second interview!

The people must know these kind of information about wingmakers.

Cheerszoo!

Yuk.

[Reader]

It sounds very similar to "The Urantia Book"

[Frank Samuel]

Truth in whatever shape or form is just one key to open a door, your journey has taken you thousands of years perhaps even millions, unfortunately many of us cannot remember our past lives wether in the spiritual world on in any other dimension. I do not know how anybody can claim to know the whole truth. We are learning to rely in ourselves to discover what is true for us . Althought we are all connected we are having different experiences even when reading each other's post we connected to our own experiences and things will resonate or not according to the level that we are at. Remember that we are living in an illusion, what we think is real is only temporary, debates about truths are just that, debates. Be open even if it does not resonate, explore different so called truths, you'll be surprise what truth will begin to be uncover within you. Happy journeys.

[Chris1617]

Originally Posted by wilsonericq7

Hello all,

I love the story I am reading regarding the wingmakers. I am new to the site as of last week and have my filters on right now; if nothing else I am enjoying the read.

I am puzzled, however, as this story appears as a source for research in some of these threads. As science is my trade I have the obvious traps and limitations when exploring outside possibilities/probabilities.

My question, "Is this myth a vehichle for truth?"

Your thoughts,

Peace

Hi Wilson,

All myths are vehicles for truth. Simply, they are metaphors for the truth of existence. There are elements of factual science woven into the WingMakers material (WMM), but it is essentially a modern myth -- a mix of story and truth woven together so it can survive in the open world. It is for each to use their own powers of discernment to determine what is fact and fiction and how it can help in one's life.

James has said it is based on fact that he gleamed from what he refers to as sensory bi-location, which is a higher form of remote viewing in which he not merely sees but can use his reason and intelligence to assess situations and data while in the viewing state.

Enjoy the journey.

Chris

[wilsonericq7]

Thank you Chris, very insightful.

[efields]

Originally Posted by Chris1617

Hi Wilson,

All myths are vehicles for truth. Simply, they are metaphors for the truth of existence. There are elements of factual science woven into the WingMakers material (WMM), but it is essentially a modern myth -- a mix of story and truth woven together so it can survive in the open world. It is for each to use their own powers of discernment to determine what is fact and fiction and how it can help in one's life.

James has said it is based on fact that he gleamed from what he refers to as sensory bi-location, which is a higher form of remote viewing in which he not merely sees but can use his reason and intelligence to assess situations and data while in the viewing state.

Enjoy the journey.

Chris

It may be a myth, but after listening to James's .mp3's I'll tell you he has the countanance of a bona fide whistleblower. He has a humility and intelligence unlike most Humans. He sounds like James Earl Jones. So much in fact that I wondered, if in fact, it was him! A genuine pleasure to be in his energy field. That I can tell you. A grand story it would be if it were true. And Why couldn't it be true? It will be great if it turns out to be. What, with Dr. Neruda and the group controlling the dissemination of the tech from the sites... I'm Staying tuned. If nothing else it's great entertainment! A superior level site. An empowering message, perhaps connected to the Disclosure movement?

[Chris1617]

Originally Posted by efields

It may be a myth, but after listening to James's .mp3's I'll tell you he has the countanance of a bona fide whistleblower. He has a humility and intelligence unlike most Humans. He sounds like James Earl Jones. So much in fact that I wondered, if in fact, it was him! A genuine pleasure to be in his energy field. That I can tell you. A grand story it would be if it were true. And Why couldn't it be true? It will be great if it turns out to be. What, with Dr. Narada and the group controlling the dissemination of the tech from the sites... I'm Staying tuned. If nothing else it's great entertainment! A superior level site. An empowering message, perhaps connected to the Disclosure movement?

Hi Eugene,

Yes. James does indeed present a great may insightful truths within the material; and his later work fills in the gaps showing how to live one's life on a personal level from the individual frequencies constituting the love frequency of the heart, which also reflect in how one conducts oneself and one's behavior.

Chris

[Gnosis5]

And my message, my truth, is that any one of us can develop ourselves to do whatever James and Dr. Neruda are capable of doing, as per our individual preferences. I have seen "average" people access their personal spiritual strengths. I am sure the angels strike up the band when we take meaningful steps in that direction.

love,
gnosis

[Ashatav]

Let's see the New World Order part of the wingmakers material...


Sarah: "I also read the memo that Dr. Sauthers [a colleague of Dr. Neruda] wrote about a global culture being an outcome of this technology from the WingMakers' sites. But how could these objects be used to build a global culture? It seems a little naive to me."

Dr. Neruda: "All I can tell you is that it's related to the Internet and a new communication technology that the WingMakers referred to as OLIN or the One Language Intelligent Network. If you read the glossary section that I left behind, you'll see it referenced there. The WingMakers seem to feel confident that the OLIN technology will help create the global culture through the Internet. This incidentally is consistent with prophecies that the Labyrinth Group was privy to dating as far back as 1,500 years ago. Of course the enabling technology wasn't called OLIN, but the notion of a global culture and unified governance has been predicted for many centuries."

Sarah: "[COLOR="Red"]This is what George Bush used to call the New World order isn't it? [/COLOR]

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, but there have been four other presidents who've acknowledged this concept."

Sarah: "What would make the world's people decide to unify under one governing body, or for that matter, create a global culture--whatever that means? I just can't envision it happening--not in my lifetime."

Dr. Neruda: "According to the WingMakers it will happen through the digital economy and then through the Internet's OLIN technology platform. And through this global network, entertainment and educational content will be globalized. This is the basis of a global culture with unified commerce, content, and communities. Once these pieces of the infrastructure are in place, then the need to govern this infrastructure will loom as the preeminent issue of the day. And the United Nations is the logical ruling body for such an endeavor. As long as the World's people allow the digitization of the economy and embrace the OLIN technology platform, a global government and culture is virtually assured to emerge."

Sarah: "And as you said last night, this is supposed to occur in 2018?"

Dr. Neruda: "According to prophecy, that's when the United Nations will hold initial elections for a unified world government. And it won't be an all powerful, centralized authority, but rather a global public policy decision and enforcement organization for issues that effect the world at large. Issues like pollution, global warming, border disputes, space travel, terrorism, trade, commerce, OLIN technology upgrades, and general technology transfer programs."

Sarah: "So what will happen to National sovereignty in this new role of the United Nations?"

Dr. Neruda: "I'm willing to answer your question in the form of a speculative response, but I'm also aware that you had asked me at the outset of this interview to remind you if you got off course. What would you like --"

Sarah: No, you're absolutely right. Sorry. Let's go back to the artifacts--what was the condition of the site when you first entered--or better still, why don't you just describe your first encounter going inside the site."

Cheers and judge by yourselve.

[Gnosis5]

Perhaps the Moderator could merge the WingMakers threads.

[Josefine]

Originally Posted by Ashatav

Let's see the New World Order part of the wingmakers material...


Sarah: "I also read the memo that Dr. Sauthers [a colleague of Dr. Neruda] wrote about a global culture being an outcome of this technology from the WingMakers' sites. But how could these objects be used to build a global culture? It seems a little naive to me."

Dr. Neruda: "All I can tell you is that it's related to the Internet and a new communication technology that the WingMakers referred to as OLIN or the One Language Intelligent Network. If you read the glossary section that I left behind, you'll see it referenced there. The WingMakers seem to feel confident that the OLIN technology will help create the global culture through the Internet. This incidentally is consistent with prophecies that the Labyrinth Group was privy to dating as far back as 1,500 years ago. Of course the enabling technology wasn't called OLIN, but the notion of a global culture and unified governance has been predicted for many centuries."

Sarah: This is what George Bush used to call the New World order isn't it?

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, but there have been four other presidents who've acknowledged this concept."

Sarah: "What would make the world's people decide to unify under one governing body, or for that matter, create a global culture--whatever that means? I just can't envision it happening--not in my lifetime."

Dr. Neruda: "According to the WingMakers it will happen through the digital economy and then through the Internet's OLIN technology platform. And through this global network, entertainment and educational content will be globalized. This is the basis of a global culture with unified commerce, content, and communities. Once these pieces of the infrastructure are in place, then the need to govern this infrastructure will loom as the preeminent issue of the day. And the United Nations is the logical ruling body for such an endeavor. As long as the World's people allow the digitization of the economy and embrace the OLIN technology platform, a global government and culture is virtually assured to emerge."

Sarah: "And as you said last night, this is supposed to occur in 2018?"

Dr. Neruda: "According to prophecy, that's when the United Nations will hold initial elections for a unified world government. And it won't be an all powerful, centralized authority, but rather a global public policy decision and enforcement organization for issues that effect the world at large. Issues like pollution, global warming, border disputes, space travel, terrorism, trade, commerce, OLIN technology upgrades, and general technology transfer programs."

Sarah: "So what will happen to National sovereignty in this new role of the United Nations?"

Dr. Neruda: "I'm willing to answer your question in the form of a speculative response, but I'm also aware that you had asked me at the outset of this interview to remind you if you got off course. What would you like --"

Sarah: No, you're absolutely right. Sorry. Let's go back to the artifacts--what was the condition of the site when you first entered--or better still, why don't you just describe your first encounter going inside the site."

Cheers and judge by yourselve.

This is certainly interesting. I had surmised as much, as stated in other posts. The PTP counts on us being too lazy to do the required work to determine what the value of a material holds, and reject the rest. 'All or nothing' is the lazy habitual response.

The Zeitgeist material has been produced for the same purpose, I can sense. And the Blossom Goodchild message as well, which was given ridiculously much space on Avalon. The lightship grew in expected size by the week, and little attention was made of the fact that there were ongoing major sightings over major cities in the world.

Channeling is something they want to do away with, it may come up with inconvenient truths for those who prefer an 'Information Clearinghouse'.
By the same token, channeling may also be the lazy one's snoozing pillow, so it is fair enough to take stock of how we use it.

There is a chance that these forces (NWO Religion Creators) are trying to take advantage of a Forum like Avalon. I will be very disappointed if this is in cooperation with Bill and Kerry. It certainly does not have to be. But whoever is able to steer the traffic, has great powers.

In the meantime I will say that the interview with James, the Zeitgeist videos and Blossom G. nevertheless have brought about much good: We need to flex our muscles of discernment, and what better way to do that than to face some real challenges and do a good job of meeting them.

What 'they' are counting on is the customary genuflections, a habit that the traditional religions have bred into our mindset.

[wilsonericq7]

Hello all,

Thank you so much for your time and attention. My view of the site included only 8 chapters; while I am new to this...I am sure there is more to the story. For those with more experience than I, "how do you find the rest of the story?"

Peace

[ENdJOY]

the "story" is fiction based upon fact... the interviews were written in '97 and so far every bit of them has materialized.

The materials themselves are "embedded" with information that only becomes clear as you ponder them, without comparing them to other things you have read...if you mind is open, you will be able to discern that the materials are, most likely, the largest dose of truth you will ever find in one place.

Many people are overwhelmed by them, and do not discover their purpose, which is a "transformation"... out of the control of the hierarchy into a new model of existence that allows you to have a Sovereign Integral's perspective of Source Reality... here and now.

[ENdJOY]

I am anxiously waiting for the new written interview, that Kerry has announced in the Proj Camelot home page. Every time James releases "new materials" it is somewhat earth shaking, he appears to have his finger on the pulse of the world, and as we reach "critical mass" it will be very interesting to see what he has to say.

[wilsonericq7]

Hello All,

Are we to believe "James" is a single human, or could "James" be a group of collective intelligence? I, too, am looking forward to an interview and less towards any transcript. I love this message and have started working in the Event temples. So far, any agenda discovered during my journey has not been offensive or felt like it was leading me. I feel, any group leading you down any rabbit hole should be followed with caution.

Also, I have encountered an amazing source of material I would like to share and discuss with any who has finished the following book
http://www.scribd.com/doc/915092/The...gs-of-Atlantis

Love and Peace,

Wilson

[Ashatav]

1) Many of the topics of the wingmakers material are equal of the topics (let's see... the same name) of the urantia book who is discredited by heavywheights like Dr. Deagle and the archeologyst Jonathan Grey.

2) Isn't the atlantis where the "ruling bloodlines" (actually spiritual iliterated, scamed bloodlines) say they come from?

Cheerzo

[ENdJOY]

I understand that it is the natural inclination of a truth seeker to compare ... but there is nothing that compares with the Wingmaker's materials.

snips from Answer 24 :

The WingMakers' materials are designed in a different way from anything that has ever been manifested on earth. It is a collection of encoded sensory data streams destined for a consumer technology platform that is just beginning to be incubated within development labs. However, even when experienced without this technology platform, the individual is aware that there is a deep transformation occurring. Something is "reshuffling" their mental "deck". I would encourage anyone who is immersing his or her consciousness in these materials to go without comparison for a period of time as they absorb these materials. The Tributary Zones have more information encoded in them than the human mind can access and comprehend. If an individual is engaged in comparison, they may not be engaged in the deeper meaning of the Tributary Zone, at the level where the encoded information is revealed.

They were not written by man, nor were they channeled. Those who channel are not conscious of the specific source from which their information arises...and while much of the information revealed in the Urantia book, does apply to our planet, a great deal of it appears to be misaligned to Earth's evolutionary path. While it claims not to be a Religion, it promotes a heirarchal organization. First Source is connected individuals, not organizations.

Answer 47 – I have always been consistent on this issue. I am not the creator of the WingMakers materials, I am the translator. The materials existed before I incarnated on earth. I have taken the original content and transduced it (for lack of a better term) into a form (music, art, words, symbols) that would resonate to the human senses and mind.

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

I understand that it is the natural inclination of a truth seeker to compare ... but there is nothing that compares with the Wingmaker's materials.

Yes there is.

We should compare the 'Wingmakers' material with the spirit of truth within our own hearts. That comparison will reveal it's origin and intent.

It's quite legitimate as well to compare the WMM to other material which we have discerned to be true by the same intuitive process, because as James also alludes, external comparisons alone can't replace spiritual discernment.

The spiritual-self holds the proverbial scepter of authority and separates the real from the unreal.

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

They were not written by man, nor were they channeled. Those who channel are not conscious of the specific source from which their information arises...and while much of the information revealed in the Urantia book, does apply to our planet, a great deal of it appears to be misaligned to Earth's evolutionary path. While it claims not to be a Religion, it promotes a heirarchal organization. First Source is connected individuals, not organizations.

Channelling is attuning the mind in order to "transduce" or "translate" information from it's origin in higher planes. To suggest otherwise is just semantic. To claim that "channelled" material is inferior to "translated" material is more of the same semantics especially since, contrary to your own assertion, channellors are often conscious of a specific source which they specifically identify.

For information claimed to originate in this way, the only questions become :

1) Does it really? It is written by man on the mundane plane. Could the message too have a mundane origin? In any case... Is it true? or is it doggy doo with a honey chaser?

2) When information really is translated / channelled from a plane beyond the sensible, does it originate from a pure or a corrupt source? The lower astral planes are filled with astral garbage and garbage-makers who are capable of delivering it in the most sublime forms. These black majicians are highly adept at plaigerising the work of the true spiritual adepts and, upon a framework of universal truth, devising elaborate facsimilies and incongruous flabber to ensnare the spiritual seeker.

...From a reading of various metaphysical works it is obvious that information from both of those sources are making their way into this world through numerous channels / translators. And so is info that pretends to, yet originates in corrupt earthy minds. In all cases we must discern the differences between the pure gold of truth and the tainted alloy of half- truth because very often they closely resemble each other. The lower intellect is incapable of discerning the subtle - and sometimes gross - differences between pure gold and the glitter and glamour of fool's gold.

By suggesting that we not compare the WMM with other material, James is asking us to to recieve it beyond the external intellect at a deeper level of consciousness, in other words, the wisdom and intuition of the heart. The principle is sound and well founded. But it doesn't mean we should suspend the judgements of the heart too. If intuition rejects certain pieces of info as deceptive and badly motivated at it's source then the truths contained in the rest of it become irrelevant. Move on and find something that is not concieved to divert you into a cul-de-sac.

Perhaps what James is really suggesting is that only the external intellect could reject the Wingmakers' material... And by extension only the spiritually intelligent can accept it and it's claimed source, as he avers. I beg to differ.

It is not only the outer intellect that throws up objections to information. The inner-self does too. It knows when information is or is not in alignment with truth. Our inner source knows what springs from itself and what is generated by corrupt external facsimilies. It knows the difference between the honey which flows from it's center to inform and illumine the outer mind, and external saccharine devised as sugar coating to decieve the mass mind. The latter can sometimes be very beautiful and beguiling but rotten in crucial ways.