We are not one!

[Malynda]

Originally Posted by krystal

Here is a country which is progressing.....

http://viva.org.uk/mediareleases/dis...articlepid=177

I don't know why that site reminded me of a recent article I read talking about vegetarianism as a form of anorexia. Not that I necessarily believe that. It was thought-provoking though. Probably propaganda. I'll have to try to dredge it up and re-read it.

Again, I state for the record that if vegan or vegetarian works for you, then wonderful. I'll continue to follow this thread and see what I can learn. But right now, I'm going to do what my body tells me is best for my body and experiment with it and see how it all goes.

[krystal]

Originally Posted by swordsmith

hey dagon, you didn't kill an animal or the thread even if you did choke the monkey.
I am getting the luls on the" noble being " dia(rea) tribe. and really there is no place for soya,except maybe fermented,( hmmm, that prolly means its got some animals growing on it) even if it is GMO free, I'm sure even meat is better for you .
Human caused global warming? Most noble beings know that is a crock. Just another thing to make us feel bad. Planets further from the sun than earth are also heating up, we must be REALLY bad to be able to do that....

I was a vegetarian for 20 years. I'm not anymore, it's called a choice thing, we still do have one.
Vegans tend to come to parties and annoy the other humans by complaining there is yogurt in the chocolate cake. More for us...

Hahahahah, you people are so cute....... keep justifying to yourselves for your actions...... it's okay..... each to their own..... that is exactly why this planet is in this mess......and specially some countries more than others.

[dagon]

right on guys.. you cracking me up.... sorry to offend and veggies out there Im cool with it. actually going more that way latley. local organic farms. love summer time veggies...

[Malynda]

Originally Posted by dagon

you can click on myspace link at signature line. if you look by my avatar on myspace under it in small black letters you will see photos and videos, click on photos and that will take you to my album.



cheers its been a pleasure

Awesome, thanks. The pleasure is all mine. I stole it! j/k Have a great day today, dagon.

[Malynda]

Originally Posted by krystal

Hahahahah, you people are so cute....... keep justifying to yourselves for your actions...... it's okay..... each to their own..... that is exactly why this planet is in this mess......and specially some countries more than others.

Again I say, flies -> honey, flies no-> vinegar. It's the pushing and preaching. It gets bad reactions here. We've had our fill of that. Exchange and sharing of knowledge are where it's at.

[dagon]

Originally Posted by krystal

Hahahahah, you people are so cute....... keep justifying to yourselves for your actions...... it's okay..... each to their own..... that is exactly why this planet is in this mess......and specially some countries more than others.

I love you and accept you as you are. have a good night...

[Swanny]

Originally Posted by krystal

Here is a country which is progressing.....

http://viva.org.uk/mediareleases/dis...articlepid=177

Well sorry to disappoint you but the supermarket shelves are as full as ever with meat.
In fact there are more and more supermarkets opening all the time.

The average Brit eats 11,047 animals in his or her lifetime: 1 goose, 1 rabbit, 4 cattle, 18 pigs, 23 seep and lambs, 28 ducks, 39 turkeys, 1,158 chickens, 3,593 shellfish and 6,182 fish.

When the NWO takes over and food supplies run out I will be eating alot more rabbit



Krystal this forum has lots of information avaiable I suggest you have a good look around, you might find out a few things. Especially suggest the threads on global warming.

[Swanny]

Krystal please don't tell you're an indigo child as that will do you no favours at all
Best thing to do is just except that we are all different and on different paths, hopefully yours will take you where you want to go.
Enjoy the ride

[krystal]

Originally Posted by Malynda

Again I say, flies -> honey, flies no-> vinegar. It's the pushing and preaching. It gets bad reactions here. We've had our fill of that. Exchange and sharing of knowledge are where it's at.

Somehow I had the impression that people in this forum were a little more enlightened, guess it's the wrong forum for this conversation..... So those who understand what I was saying they are not posting and those who don't and want to show off their ego instead of elevating themselves to being a greater being by justifying their action instead of trying to understand that it is for our planet's own good well that is a shame.... Anyway... love and blessings to all.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by krystal

do not compare yourself with me or other Noble Beings!

Now this is the part I have trouble with.

I am sorry if I have read you wrong. Seriously, I can't work out if you are trolling for a reaction (I mean you certainly picked a controversial subject and hit it in the manner that usually gets people going) or you genuinely think that you are in some way different and implicitly superior to other people. If so, well done, but you are among the few rare individuals to ever come on here with the balls to actually say so. Good luck with that.

A..

[Malynda]

Originally Posted by krystal

Somehow I had the impression that people in this forum were a little more enlightened, guess it's the wrong forum for this conversation..... So those who understand what I was saying they are not posting and those who don't and want to show off their ego instead of elevating themselves to being a greater being by justifying their action instead of trying to understand that it is for our planet's own good well that is a shame.... Anyway... love and blessings to all.

No, no, no. Please remember I was trying to learn from you from the beginning but you kept pushing dogma and bible quotes and saying you are a Noble Being and we are not. It is also the middle of the night for many here so maybe not too many are awake to post. I did not try to justify anything. I tried to learn from you. I would like to hear more than how we suck because we eat meat. I already told you that I am experimenting with cutting out meat. Don't get frustrated and blame this forum. Share what you know in a positive way please.

[Luminari]

I'm down to a 95% vegetarian diet, only eating fish now, not eating steak or bacon and eggs or chicken etc anymore.. Ive evolved to this slowly over the last few years and am as physically strong as ever and feel more alive.

People at work think I'm weird for not being a carnivore like them, this is what I say to them:

You are what you eat, right?

Well if you eat DEAD MEAT then what are you?

Though I am glad for my own health sake, I would never challenge other people on their diet because what you resist persists.. you can lead by peaceful example.

Its the same with the millions of zomboid sheeple sucking on their nicotine death sticks because they have some silly notion that it is fashionable to have bad breath and be suicidal.

The Ringing Cedars of Russia books turns the tables on the prevalent scientific view that our ancestors were meat eating cave men.

Anastasia reveals that animals and man lived in harmony and helped each other co-create the space of love that was our earth.

All views are valid, there is no truth.

However once you develop a sense of compassion for all living creatures you will naturally gravitate away from a meat diet.

I'm no saint. But I am surfing the crest of the new energies and the intelligence of the vegetables and herbs in each meal speaks to my body and makes it easier each time to make healthier choices.

Swanny, do what is right for you mate, your body will tell you what it needs.

Sunlight and pristine water (lots of it) and fresh air will go a long way to assist your health.

[Swanny]

Luminari I am doing exactly that and am happy about it


Can't help noticing you saying you would never challenge other people on their diet but then go on to insult people that smoke

People at work think I'm weird for not being a carnivore like them, this is what I say to them:

You are what you eat, right?

Well if you eat DEAD MEAT then what are you?

Sorry for not understanding but how does eating the flesh of a fish differ to that of an animal?

I'm down to a 95% vegetarian diet, only eating fish now

You are what you eat, right?
Well if you eat DEAD MEAT then what are you?

[burgundia]

Thank you Crystal for this thread...it is really a food for thought for many, i hope. One can't force another to give up meat....It will come spontaneously when they understand and when the compassion becomes greater than the craving....
PS. there were so many studies in different subjects that contradict one another, it all depends who pays for it. I remember years ago there was a study saying that eggs are bad for you because they raise your cholesterol, a few years later a new study showed that eggs were good for you. coffee was bad for you bacause of this and that, this and that.....then I read that coffee is good for you because of this and that, this and that.....The earth used to be flat once, and it was proved by science...now it is round...

[burgundia]

Originally Posted by krystal

I truly believe that when we stop eating meat we have a deeper compassion for all living beings and eventually it becomes impossible for us to act in a way which would harm another being... It's like a great awakening, a deep sense of being at one with all other beings.... I purposely chose the title of this thread being the opposite of how we feel when we realize that all beings are worth saving no exceptions because we are really ONE! and it's not good to harm part of who we really are, with the utmost love and compassion for everyone.

:thumb_yell o:

[Vidya Moksha]

Originally Posted by krystal

Actually I live in a community where we plant our own veggies and share with others, we do not use pesticides and when we buy rice etc we buy organic, such as organic soya milk which is not GMO. etc. Also we have solar power and do not use energy from outside but solely from the sun... yes in harmony with our environment.

Hi Krystal. Im not having a go at you in this reply, but I would like to point out your posts contain a lot of disinformed dogma.
* Where does your rice come from? Not Oz i would imagine. How did it it get to you, and at what cost to the environment? Is it really organic? How do you know? Copper Sulphate is incredibly toxic yet the soil association allow it to be be sprayed on grapes. I lived in India many years, i wouldnt believe any organic label from there. Also I had my own organic farm for many years and would watch the sprays from my neighbours float over onto my garden.
* I dont have the link anymore but (all) soya is to be avoided, they wash it in hexane and still call it organic..but there are many other prolems besides..i guess if you are growing your own from guaranteed non GM seeds, but are you?
* How many people died extracting the nasties used in your battery system for your solar energy? What will happen to your dead battery?
* Does your 'solar' system use plastic? molten plastic mimics oestrogen and is very harmful to the planet.
* I shake my head at you lack of awareness of global warming. Mankind's effect on the problem is maybe 0.0000001 %, ok i made up the number, but its in the correct ballpark, warming is not anthropological.
* Everything is alive, even the rocks. Do you really know the difference between eating an animal and eating a plant? Carrots dont have branches, they dont grow back. By the same analogy, if an animal has given birth is that a branch? Is it ok to eat it then?

OK I wont go on..what I am trying to say is try to remove yourself from the dogma and FEEL for yourself what is right and wrong and what you should eat, and how you should live. Its your karma after all, do you want to put that in the hands of others who are misinforming you? And is your way the way of others? Should you be telling others they are right or wrong in their choices?

[Anchor]

Vidya,

You raise some interesting points.

I read that 99.99% of lead in lead-acid batteries is actually recycled into new batteries. It is one of the industries that gets this basically right. (Lead being so heavy is easy to separate I guess).

It has been estimated that more greenhouse gas is emitted in the production of a solar panel than the solar panel will save during its working life ... however: There are still good reasons to have solar: remote areas is one - helps avoid using inefficient small scale generators, and best of all: independence - one less link to the system.

A..

[Vidya Moksha]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Vidya,

It has been estimated that more greenhouse gas is emitted in the production of a solar panel than the solar panel will save during its working life ... however: There are still good reasons to have solar: remote areas is one - helps avoid using inefficient small scale generators, and best of all: independence - one less link to the system.

A..

There is no such thing as a greenhouse gas. Its a false theory. If the theory were true then the atmosphere would warm up, but the planet surface is where heating is occurring. Global warming is from the sun! not from us.

I built a solar system to be free from the grid and to be in control of my own situation. Micro-Hydro would be my power of choice, and maybe direct mechanical, not electrical.... However, the older I get the more candle light appeals to me and as i become more techno phobic i need less energy anyway lol...

My battery 'problems' really relate to the nasty exploitation of people and environments at the point of extraction. Lead is so expensive I am sure they do recycle it, but recycling generally is inefficient and harmful. And not everyone is conscientious enough to recycle their batteries. Better to not produce waste in the first place....there is much to be said for a simple life off the gid and as far out of the sytem as possible.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by Vidya Moksha

There is no such thing as a greenhouse gas. Its a false theory. If the theory were true then the atmosphere would warm up, but the planet surface is where heating is occurring. Global warming is from the sun! not from us. .

You are correct. I meant carbon emissions. In fact David Wilcock found on the NASA sites that there is evidence that each planet in our Solar System is undergoing similar "climate" change.

I also agree that there is no such thing as climate change being caused by carbon emissions - but that said, it can't help either.

Koyaanisqatsi applies.

A..


Bonus sig message "Near the day of Purification, there will be cobwebs spun back and forth in the sky"

[RedeZra]

Once upon a time we developed a taste for meat and now it has become a habit

When we eat flesh we also eat the emotions ingrained in the fibers of the animal
So spiritual wise its better to restrict the eating of conscious beings like animals

It is believed that a ceremonially dedication of the animal to God also removes the passions in the animals flesh so its better suited for us to eat it


Now if we are to evolve and advance emotionally mentally and spiritually as a community and as individuals we cannot continue the brutal slaughter of our fellow conscious beings

It is common sense

We should all make an effort to restrict the intake of animal flesh


There will be no slaughterhouses in the new garden

[Vidya Moksha]

Originally Posted by RedeZra

So spiritual wise its better to restrict the eating of conscious beings like animals

But its ok to slaughter 'innocent' conscious plants? what is your distinction? Surely when we reach the 'higher' awareness you talk of we will realise plants are conscious living organisms also...

maybe we all live on prana at this point?

[i would say, sort of off topic, a forest garden would be a nice place to live, to live off the fruiting bodies so as to propagate their life cycles]

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by Vidya Moksha

But its ok to slaughter 'innocent' conscious plants? what is your distinction? Surely when we reach the 'higher' awareness you talk of we will realise plants are conscious living organisms also...

You dont see the distinction...?

Either you are spiritually adept or living in lalaland lol no offense

You dont see the distinction...?

Really you dont see it...?

Come on you see it lol

[Vidya Moksha]

Originally Posted by RedeZra

You dont see the distinction...?

Either you are spiritually adept or living in lalaland lol no offense

You dont see the distinction...?

Really you dont see it...?

l

No. I dont see it anymore. I became veggie 25 years ago and I havent eaten meat since. In the last years I started working with the shamans and visited the stone worlds, and the plant worlds and other amazing places. Plants are alive, they have a consciousness, they 'feel' pain. I genuinely do not see the difference. Though I still choose not to eat meat.

Seriously, please explain to me the difference. Dont challenge my belief system, explain your own.

[Swanny]

As the majority of the people on the planet openly eat insects I wonder what people think of that? Are insects more evoled than plants?
Even veggies are responsible for the death of insects. They are killed while harvesting the crop and are killed in the process of making food, next time you are eating your bread don't worry about the tiny little pieces of fly you are eating, in feeding ourselves it is impossible not to kill something.
So if by causing the death of something gives you a karmatic debt then we are all massively in debt.


Stick around krystal you might just learn something

[Phtha]

lol.. This forum is better then any other forum I have registered with when it comes to friendly arguments. More then one vegetarian thread has been posted here and they always become very heated though.

If they want to put t-OX-IN their bodies that is their choice.

777 made some good posts about meat recently in his epic thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showp...postcount=1669
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showp...postcount=1670

This will probably anger meat eaters more, but this thread has all the typical meat eaters responses:
Try to compare killing animals too plants: check
Try to justify their actions by saying the animal enjoyed their life before killing it: Check
Try to justify the murder by giving thanks: Check

Deep down inside, if they were able to put their pleasure for the taste of meat aside, they know that killing animals is wrong, simply by the reactions of terror and fighting for life the animals have as they slit their throats. I've spent time with farm animals and they enjoy every minute of life, at least the ones who are free-range. They know, there is no way the killing can be justified at its core, despite how mad it gets them.



Here a is a recent response I made to a question concerning out teeth:

We need these teeth because many types of veggies and nuts, and so forth are much tougher then meat.

Animals who instinctively eat meat have a digestive system to handle the job. The jaw joints of these animals an up and down vertical hinge, and there teeth are overlapping, sheering fangs made for tearing flesh, and they also have claws. Where is our claws?

By contrast, herbivores such as horses and humans have a sliding jaw joint and flat, grinding back molars that allow them to chew in a rotary motion for grinding grains and greens.

The stomach acid of of carnivorous animals is twenty times that of herbivores because the digestion of flesh requires a lot of acid. If a herbivore (like you or me) eats flesh, the body must drastically increase its acid production, which upsets natural pH balance necessary to maintain health. Carnivorous animals have colons that are constructed to guarantee quick elimination. The bowel of a carnivore is smooth and it takes waste through a relatively short, straight route of elimination.

The bowels of humans, in contrast, is full of pouches and indentations. It follows a long and windy path full of sharp turns. Fatty, processed, and cooked foods cannot pass through this route easily or quickly. (only living foods, full of digestive enzymes and fiber can move quickly through this maze.) The end result of today's average diet is a grim but indisputable statistic: The greater the intake of cooked and processed foods and animal products, the greater the occurrence of disease.

Originally Posted by krystal

Somehow I had the impression that people in this forum were a little more enlightened, guess it's the wrong forum for this conversation..... So those who understand what I was saying they are not posting and those who don't and want to show off their ego instead of elevating themselves to being a greater being by justifying their action instead of trying to understand that it is for our planet's own good well that is a shame.... Anyway... love and blessings to all.