The Search for Truth - Amnesty or Vengeance?

[murnut]

Originally Posted by 21sept

Amnesty, whether we like it or not, IS the only way forward

Agreed...Amnesty when possible short of murder

[brightstar]

I must have missed something, what happened to Henry Deacon? I didn't know he left here.

As far as John Lear goes, It is my understanding that all he did was fly various planes for all he ever did. That was his job pure and simple. As to the cargo that was not his responsibility, only to fly the planes. He was also a test pilot who tested new airplanes that were made to see how they did, handled, etc. I would think he would have had to have some kind of a security clearance in order to just be able to get on the various military bases, etc., but I do not think he had real high clearance. I do not doubt that he met many peoples in all of the years he has flown various missions for the CIA and whoever else, but this does not make him a big bad black ops person. John is unique, he is a cowboy in his own right by being a pilot, it takes nerves and guts to be a test pilot, but he loved flying and that was what he did. I cannot and will not fault anyone from doing a job they love like that.

Had he been involved in various scientific projects where he made WMD's or done horrible things to other humans or kidnapped peoples, etc., then it would be a whole different story indeed. I like John Lear and with all I have ever heard him say, all he wanted to do was fly his planes.

As far as punishment or amnesty, this is an aspect I have thought some on, but not in depth. I know that many peoples have been pulled into these various government jobs under certain pretnses and then after they are in these jobs, they are then used, many have been deliberately set up in order for the various PTB to blackmail them and try to retain controls over them. So how do you judge someone in such a position, it then becomes one of those you are da_____ed if you do, and da_____ed if you don't type situations. Many are not allowed to leave and are assassinated, or their families have been threatened. So they are put into a terrible situation indeed and it is those very ones I would have to have compassion on to a large degree and would consider amnesty indeed if they came totally clean with all they were aware of and knew first hand.

However, the ones on the top levels, I would really have to think on those and the evils they have committed against humanity, their countries, the peoples, and their own governments. Some I do think would deserve to be tried in the Courts of Law. But this is a very touchy subject indeed. It would have to be a case by case situation depending upon the level of authorities they held as I see it.

The whistleblowers, however, are the ones that have to have a conscience who have been put in bad situations. They know things are wrong and this is why they are trying to tell what little they can to get the attention of the peoples in hopes the peoples at least wake up. And because I would think they would like to see the evils they know of stopped. But they also know that if they go totally public with their identities, then they will probably be assassinated also, and no one wants to have to live with this type of situation.

I don't like all the missing peoples either, and all of the missing children, but before one gets on here stating that certain individuals ought to be done this way or that, one better know for sure just what they are talking about instead of making assumptions just because this one worked for black ops or that one did, etc. etc. Anyone one of us could have been caught in the same type of situation just trying to make a living and then when we find just what is really going on then it is too late usually.




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[Norval]

The Search for Truth - Amnesty or Vengeance?

Kerry said;
"Whether "the people" are able to forgive them, and limit vengeance will be partially due
to projects like ours that began to reveal the truth to the people."
And,
"... Some may not be so generous."

Many have heard this;
"Vengeance is mine," says the Lord, "I will repay."
Understanding that this is the King of all the Galaxies speaking, coming to take
vengeance, deliver the oppressed, puts that message and this topic in a different light
altogether.

Because of what has happened to friends, loved ones, and ones involved in this research,
I, for one, would love to take vengeance into my own hands. I will not though, but I do
fervently hope that I will be chosen to help in the delivery of that vengeance that is coming
upon all those that have harmed mankind and didn't want Jesus to become King and
killed him once. Yes, King Jesus is returning, (has returned from the looks of our solar
system), and with an attitude. We can no more stop, nor alter, that vengeance than we
can, or have stopped, corruption here

This is a post that I would have preferred not to make, yet it needed to be said.

For some it will be a "doom and gloom" post while for others it will mean "deliverance
and exhilaration". This is a "whistle blower" testimony about a finished message from ET,
the bible, that has been in our hands now for two thousand years.

Religionocity and demonocracy have no place in a monarchy.
The technology of the bad ET’s / fallen angels is just fools play compared to what is
coming.

Sincerely
Norval L. Cunningham Where's the "whistle blower one?

[rosie]

I would have to say amnesty. Any other action could put us back into the dark ages. This is what it is about. To move forward, without prejudice, and with empathy towards those that "have not quite got it yet".

I do not fear what I am not told, and am thankful for what I do receive, from these sources.

Note: I am from "Canada", but feeling like I am from "Earth", as we all feel the same pain, we all cry, we all laugh, we all love. No matter what path we have taken on this beautiful planet earth.

Love & Peace

[milk and honey]

"Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord, I will repay"

This is a statement of the impersonal LAW of the Universe but to make it understandable to unevolved people it was stated in the 'first person'. God and the Law are synonymous in scripture.

It is a simple statement of the law of karma.

"Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap"

All of us have set causes in motion and we will experience the effects of our actions. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. That's how the karmic law holds all accountable and that is why we are admonished in all the world's scriptures to surrender our desire for vengeance.... lest we set fresh karma in motion.

Having said that, there are some people who are a clear and present danger to others and they are not unreasonably restrained. In any worldly system of justice where offenders are brought to account, consideration is given to motive, remorse and bearable reparation.

But somehow i don't think we are in any position to bring the power elite or their operatives to account for their actions. They have all the temporal power and protections in their hands. They have corrupted every system of society to serve themselves and this has enabled them to dodge their karma. Many of us may also have feathered our own nests under their wing in past lives and may have been a part of the problem rather than the solution. It's not unthinkable.

Most people's evil is relative, expressing itself in lives of black, white and shades of grey.

But there are some on Earth who's evil is 'pure' and absolute.

Nevertheless, that evil is not immortal. Souls can reach the end of an opportunity to evolve with other souls of similar evolution; ie the human race. A time of judgement is upon the Earth. A separation of souls according to "works" (vibration and intent) is now taking place as each one goes through the change called 'death'. Some will 'graduate' and transcend the earth plane, some will reincarnate on earth again and others have such a grievous karmic burden so heavy that they have run out of opportunity to ever re-incarnate here again. This is the dividing of the Way. The "shift".

It is a shift in consciousness for those who will. Information and knowledge won't save us but what we do with it counts. We don't depend on the "insiders'" revelations so much as the revelation of our own inner- spirit. But we do appreciate whatever genuine contributions the 'insiders' can give us.

[Shechaiyah]

I wish I could say, that karma works in the short-run.

If so, what's happening to our banking industry?

I think, one must expect to FACILITATE Justice and NOT to IGNORE Injustice.

Not-See-ism is about being passive and ignoring Injustice until it comes right up to you and smacks you in the face.

Am I wrong?


Shech--

[Cindy]

No you are right that we should not ignore it. I think the orignal question put out was Amnesty or Vengeance? I do not believe in "an eye for an eye" philosophy, but I do believe that there should be accountability. If we are to move forward into a world of living "ethically" then we have to forgive and stand firm at the same time. It is a hard balance, but it can be done.

[Souther]

Amnesty. Law of Allowance.

"Souther"

[Realview]

While mercy and forgiveness is a good thing in general and I think necessary for the more or less innocent people to stop participation. There are elements withing these organizations most specifically, the Jesuits that will never stop. Throughout their history, the Jesuits have been kicked out of country after country time and again to no avail. Every setback is just a learning experience that results in revenge being taken later. Spain imprisoned Jesuit General Ricci, Germany and Italy encouraged Pope Clement IV to banish them. The result was Fascisim and Nazism for all three countries. Benito Juarez tried to defeat them resulting on 1 million Mexicans dieing in the inquisition/purges that followed. The Jesuits view the game as a matter of simply polishing their tactics.

The issue is making a clear separation between those who are perpetrating and those who are following unwittingly or unwillingly.

That being said, England had an open hunting season on the Jesuits at one point, see a Jesuit kill him, no questions asked. Well the Jesuits rule them now. The root needs to be discovered and exposed and dealt with distinctly from the worker bees in or out of the organizations.

[Shechaiyah]

The root of the problem lies with the Council of Trent, 1535-1563, in which "freedom of conscience," "freedom of speech," "freedom of assembly" and "freedom of the press" are DECLARED TO BE ANATHEMA, deserving of death.

Every Pope SINCE has had to sign off on it; and the Jesuits enforce it, by hook or by crook.

England just repealed the 1689 Bill of Rights forbidding an UK Monarch from marrying a Papist (Roman Catholic) which means according to the UK State Law, the Pope is now BACK IN THE BEDROOM WITH THE KING.

Oh well. People never learn.


Shech--