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[swordsmith]

wow I like this place better than ever now its getting real, gotta love it, all coming out in the wash!
and all that will be left are the wishy washy.
hilarious!!! but not for some, karma's a 8itch.

[swordsmith]

brook, why on earth would I have to eat those words ? You seem to have an agenda. i suggest you press the ignore button on me.

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by swordsmith

brook, why on earth would I have to eat those words ? You seem to have an agenda. i suggest you press the ignore button on me.

I'm all for getting to the truth...but not based on assumption

[Floyd]

I have spent a large art of my life studying "cults" and new religious movements. Bill Ryan is entitled to believe in whatever he wants. Indeed, I have to say Scientology is a very dubious movement. Its founder, L Ron Hubbard was involved in theosophy and so called black magic tantric sex groups aswell as being a pulp sci fi writer. Hubbard himself has been deemed a pathological liar and a paranoid schizophrenic which may explain his hatred of psychiatry(though he is not alone there). I dont think Bill Ryan imposes his beliefs on anyone, explicitly. I admire a lot of his work and he is a very interesting man. I dont think he should be attacked because of his beliefs. From what I can intuit from the embryonic Avalon 2, well that is a cause for concern. It displays all the symptoms of a NRM (new religious movement). Its would be founders are alieanting themselves from their former partners, excluding them and putting in place a board of spiritual governers. I admire Bill's work but the guys he's got doing the job for him. I feel sympathy for those of you who have had a passion for this community and are being nudged out. They need to think again on this one.

[swordsmith]

Originally Posted by BROOK

I'm all for getting to the truth...but not based on assumption

then stop assuming I'm assuming . I saw this a mile off before anyone said anything. I know what I know.

[sunny D]

Astar Paramejgian............???????????

sounds cheesy.....

[Devakas]

Brook would be great mod in Avalon2. I feel it.

[JesterTerrestrial]

WHO ARE YOU!!!

WHO DO YOU WORK FOR!!!

JT!

[tone3jaguar]

I picked the wrong week to take a break from the forums. I jumped the gun by one week. I have never seen so many people point fingers at each other in my life. I am going to take another break from this place until it converts over. My consciousness is being filled with way to much useless information.

[raulduke]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

My consciousness is being filled with way to much useless information.

You could look at it that way, or maybe what is happening here is a microcosm of the real world, as apparently some in both think they will ascend above others, leaving them behind, as if it's a race to enlightenment.

Personally, I think despite all the recent bs or perhaps because of it, I'm getting some good lessons. Time will tell though wether or not I'll learn and grow as a result of what's happened here.

Originally Posted by sunny D

Astar Paramejgian............???????????

sounds cheesy.....

[burgundia]

What is happening here will be for our good...maybe we have been in the fog for too long? not to say in the mist....

[swordsmith]

and HELLOOOO to the people who suggest people stay around and see what happens, what part of invitation only do you not get? I mean poor boober, he replys to one thread and then gets a secret message saying because he replied to that thread he may NOt get invited to the secret society. Boober, back track, and fast, get editing man!

[tacodog]

Originally Posted by swordsmith

and HELLOOOO to the people who suggest people stay around and see what happens, what part of invitation only do you not get? I mean poor boober, he replys to one thread and then gets a secret message saying because he replied to that thread he may NOt get invited to the secret society. Boober, back track, and fast, get editing man!

Are you serious????

[swordsmith]

yes, check out the avalon alternatives thread, and yes people have recieved warnings, but thats ok, I hear they want me for top dog moderator, maybe even spiritual guide . I can work with that, as long as its MY way (or the highway,) .
Now, will anyone get out of the mists before the curtain closes? just how long is this timeout? Naughty avalonians, speaking the turth??? How dare you!!!
Oh this is soo much better than "the wizard of oz ", its all happening in real time and boy do some not want you peeking behind the curtain, or under the hat even gotta wonder

[bashi]

Let me try to give my personal answers:

B&K: I noticed that they are at loggerheads long before the storm broke loose here and when I decided to bring my perception up on the forum, the message was not considered. I was slightly warned not to spread the bad news. That was ok for me.

The split of B&K is only the logical consequence of the difference of focus, which has developed over time. This difference has obviously been amplified by outside forces, thus just accelerating the rift. This development is ok for me.

Bill is a person with a background of experiences and personal views which will make it very interesting for me to follow up his next activities. He has obviously worked on himself with appreciable results. That does not mean that I have to copy his way of development, because that is simply not possible. Everybody has to go his/her own, but advice can be taken, valued and incorporated from any side, while being on your own path.
I am not afraid of being sucked into any cult, because I know who I am and yes, I do had cult-experience.
By taking part in Avalon 2, I expect to learn and give. If not, then I will quit. Lets just see, that’s ok for me too.


Abrax: I know and recognized the energy behind this thread, that’s why I didn’t post there, despite all the pseudo-science which aimed at freezing the mind with awe. Abrax has been a selective magnet by harvesting people from Avalon into a vortex where certain qualities will be amplified. I consider this process as completed.
This energy has his own right of existence as the attractive dark side in a world of polarity.
This process has to be attractive in order to put you into a position where you have to make a real choice. But whoever has chosen to proceed that way, has made a hard choice for him/herself, and has chosen a very questionable outcome.
But that’s what Karma is about: Created by free-will choices.

If you think this is unfounded bla bla, then answer these questions for yourself:
How is it possible that a simple thread can create so many negative emotions?
Is it the content of simple information on that thread which can do that?
If it is not the info, then what is it?
Is it visible?
How is it possible that a statistically very high percentage of mods were attracted by this thread?
How is it possible that even long time relationships between these mods were shattered by interacting with this energy?
What is the powerful mechanism behind the visible, that triggered these energies in people?
How is it possible that the focus of the forum discussion shifted to only negativity and mistakes?
Announcements of his/her departure from the thread became an act of valuating your own quality to be beyond Avalon - as a result of this focus shift?
Do you think the outcome is positive?


Gaia&Celine: The contact with this energy was here very intense. It resulted into a rollercoaster of emotions and a break-up between them started materializing.
Now, just immagine Gaia’s situation: The forum and his personal life falling apart because of Abrax!!! How would you react in this situation? Gaia chose to fight and became a light dragon in order to fight a dark dragon. In this unprecedented situation he might have made some mistakes, but considering his situation, who would have kept calculating and cool?
Only a heartless Abrax. You can read his ranting about his sexual triggering on his own site.

So my humble plead to your conscious mind is to understand the situation and realize that nobody is perfect. Please do not to poke fingers into Gaia’s simmering wound and give this Knight of Light a break to heal.
Whoever has received an uncalled blow during that Dragon fight, try to overcome your Ego, forgive and forge a new relationship. It’s an opportunity to turn this event into a beneficial personal experience. It’s an opportunity to grow further into the light…
Would that be OK for you too?


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[Steven]

Originally Posted by bashi

Let me try to give my personal answers:...

I couldn't have said it better! I totally agree with you, it is also my own point of view. Glad you took the time to put it all in words! Thanks Bashi .

Beside this great post from Bashi, I still have one question in mind for Bill, Gareth or GaiaLove; Can you tell us what are the information, attitude, behaviors and beliefs/spirituality you want to see in Avalon2 and what are those you don't want to see?

Personally, I am baptized catholic, but my real spirituality is of all and no religion. I follow no leader nor gurus, I got some mentors, but even with them sometimes I disagree . I like to observe and use the Universal Laws and write about consciousness, will it have it's place in Avalon2? Or must I head back to my forest to meet the Great Spirit?

Namaste, Steven

[Céline]

I agree with Steven


Gareth, Richard (GaiaLOve)

Please share more about the intent and direction of PA2...many here just need to have a clearer view so they may make INFORMED desicions

[Stargazer1965]

Originally Posted by bashi

Let me try to give my personal answers:

Would that be OK for you too?

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Thanks Bashi!!!

Truly

SG

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by bashi

B&K: I noticed that they are at loggerheads long before the storm broke loose here and when I decided to bring my perception up on the forum, the message was not considered. I was slightly warned not to spread the bad news. That was ok for me.

Bashi,

I don't agree with everything in your post.

I wont deny that there was some extra energy dynamics that worked to "stir" things up - but this is easily avoided if you follow yourself and your heart instead of other people. Not everyone does that here, but it's getting better.

I don't blame anyone for the situation we find ourselves in. The problem is us and the choices we make going forwards. We need to re-unite and keep united. The force to do this is within you.

I hope to see you all at AV2 - give it a try. If it doesnt work for you - make your desicions accordingly. Personally I will ignore the stunningly bad PR that has been seen so far in relation to the new site.

AV2 will be what we make it.

Those people rushing off now and creating new offshoots - join AV2 as well. Dont play into the hands of those with the intent to divide Avalon and extinguish its light.

AJ..

[Céline]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Bashi,

I don't agree with everything in your post.

I wont deny that there was some extra energy dynamics that worked to "stir" things up - but this is easily avoided if you follow yourself and your heart instead of other people. Not everyone does that here, but it's getting better.

I don't blame anyone for the situation we find ourselves in. The problem is us and the choices we make going forwards. We need to re-unite and keep united. The force to do this is within you.

I hope to see you all at AV2 - give it a try. If it doesnt work for you - make your desicions accordingly. Personally I will ignore the stunningly bad PR that has been seen so far in relation to the new site.

AV2 will be what we make it.

Those people rushing off now and creating new offshoots - join AV2 as well. Dont play into the hands of those with the intent to divide Avalon and extinguish its light.

AJ..

Great to read your posts again Anchor..

Bad PR? i must agree..

i find myself in a dilemma...knowing a little about it because of richard.. I do not wish to look like a "mod wannabe" but i wish people to know..

Especialy when "wrong" information is being tossed around

[raulduke]

Originally Posted by burgundia

What is happening here will be for our good..

I think so too burgundia.

Originally Posted by swordsmith

I mean poor boober, he replys to one thread and then gets a secret message saying because he replied to that thread he may NOt get invited to the secret society. Boober, back track, and fast, get editing man!

Boober is whatever you want him to be. He's destined for av2. No worries Boober, you're in like flynn.

[mntruthseeker]

Reunite, you took me by surprise but I believe you as I have seen other post by you and know that you would not write this if it wasn't true

I am so glad that I came back in here so I could copy this post.

I guess we never know who is who. I will have to say one thing is I learned quite a bit on avalon this past couple of weeks

Nobody is who you think they are, they hide behind the mask, of falsehood and liars.

Or else they come down to advertise and jump on other members, you know who I mean. Oh such trusted men of tellers of untruths.

Sad and good ridance is all I can say

If thats the type of enlightenment they want to endorse, so be it.

to clarify this post is in regards to what Reunite has posted above regarding Scientology

[BROOK]

I really believe that everyone is jumping to conclusions here....and I don't know that it's not the case here, maybe I really am clueless, however, may I remind you all, that until you have all the facts, and really experience this newfound "cult" you are all labeling it...I recommend waiting to see what developes.

I have no interest in following any cult..be it Thuban, Scientology or whatever. And to say Avalon is going down that road is to follow it there. Certainly you are all smart enough to see when someone is playing that card on you right?

You all have the awarness to see when it's being played that way. And so far all I've seen are lots of conclusions based on theory of something that has not been shown in the way of all the facts.


Sure there have been some very questionable actions made, and things are turning over like a worm..but instead of getting ALL the facts..we are really getting bent out of shape on the actions of a few. And this just tells me that a game is being played, and we are being manipulated to create a storm here.


Ask yourself...where is it really coming from? It's just too easy to place blame here..and that is how the game is set up. And the players involved are being marked....way too obvious use of those in play, and I've seen this game before...been played for centurys. Instead of banding together..you're falling apart...that is how wars are created. That is the oldest game in town.



Yes there have been bans..and when the time is right, if we can all be patient, we might just be able to see what is going on. but until that time...it seems we are taking actions that have been made, and turning them into something else all together.

Can't you all see you are playing right into what what they want..the PTB?

Are you all going to continue to allow youself to be played? Get some hardcore facts, not just the opinion of a few..but the real deal..then make a judgement.

We have long time member quiting, and giving up the cause...because they are so absolutely sure it's about what some here have been doing on a deliberate basis to create? Are you all really going to let that happen?
Are you going to continue to let it happen? Or are you going to do the right thing, and wait to see the end results?

What if all of this turns out to be for the best..and what if there are things that none of you could have imagined was possible?

Just my 2cents for what is is worth
I've been here for a long time, and have contributed plenty myself..some things I got in trouble for...I'm no Saint! but I am for a cause...no agenda..just a solution...always have been about solution.

Instead of creating chaos...how about some solutions here..I've said that from the beginning too

[Carol]

It is true that someone has been trying to destroy B&K's relationship and Avalon since almost its inception. This particular person has done a lot of damage on multiple levels and it would not surprise me if those efforts are still in the works. It also appears there are others who may want to see Avalon (this forum) taken down as well. This also saddens me.

However, we don't know what Avalon 2 will look like. We don't even know what Kerry's forum is as all of this is very new and in the works. What we do know is that his place we've spent a lot of hours getting to know each other, sharing information and networking is closing its doors in a few weeks.

On one hand what is happening is confusing and depressing. On the other hand, I'm curious as to the new directions Bill and Kerry are moving in and what they will be creating for the members here. That, hopefully, is something to look forward to.

[Floyd]