The ego what is it? How to transcend? - Page 3

Gnosis5 · 01-03-2010, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mudra

The term 'ego' has various meanings in your language. Nevertheless, the dysfunctional problems associated with ego might best be explained as the result of surrogate identities displacing the soul's true self."

From " Love without end " by Glenda Green

Love Always
mudra

Right, that is what I am uncollapsing from in my clearing work. Different terms, but same concept. Fixed identities, because it can be a load of fun knowingly taking on identities, as in a costume party, with emphasis on the word "party"!

I would love the freedom to get fully into the identity of another culture, and then to take off that identity at my pleasure.

But seems I have too much attention on saving a planet that does not even exist, LOL! I guess the consciousness exists that creates the illusion of something existing and it is the consciousness only that we process, not it's creations.

Moxie · 01-04-2010, 12:37 AM

The ego/conscious personality" represents the portion of the Reasoning Mind that is primarily focused within the frequency bands of the third dimension, which "looks out upon the illusion of matter-space-time.

As the ego begins to assimilate the other portions of the Reasoning Mind, the seeming barriers between the Dream self, Astral self, Soul Matrix and Body Consciousness will begin to dissolve.

When fully assimilated the Reasoning Mind will have conscious multi-dimensional perception and the ability to direct the Subconscious and Instinctual Minds (and the physical body, emotions and intuition that manifest through the "lower minds") through conscious interaction with the Superconscious Mind of the Soul Matrix.

quoted from Voyagers I, the Sleeping Abductees, 2nd Edition

Moxie · 01-04-2010, 12:47 AM

this is a worthy read at Bronte Baxter's website:
http://brontebaxter.wordpress.com/?s=ego

Moxie · 01-04-2010, 12:58 AM

greybeard wrote:
"... when I surrendered my life to God I was lifted from the hell... I am free of many bondages and I like it that way."

Are you saying that you "tapped an unsuspected inner resource"?
Or might you define God differently? Is God within or without, interior or exterior?

Greybeard, you also wrote this: "There would be unending conflict as we would never come into agreement as to what should be created"

I would say, rather, that there are fewer choices choosing What is Right. The expression of what is right has fewer options than to go with what creates division & chaos because what is right is inclusive and not exclusive, that means it's not all about "me".

14 Chakras · 01-04-2010, 01:42 AM

We have a purpose. We are not just a bad dream. I suggest God has a purpose for us. I suggest Jesus was not lying when he said we must be reborn to inherit life eternal. I suggest that Jesus did not mean 'life until God wipes you out!'.

We are here to Be More in Oneness ~ THIS IS THE MAGICAL KEY HERE.

The human ego is born of seperation, it is born out of saying "I am this because of who I am compared to that or this." However, this is illusion. There is only One.

Oneness is not sameness. Oneness simply is reality.

Death of the ego, is not death of the I.

This is the key.

Rebirth is what happens. I stop tyinking I am this or that, and instead I just Be. I'm Light. I'm in Oneness. I see this, but I'm still BEing, I'm still I.

As we overcome ego, we are reborn at a higher level, the level of Oneness, interconnectedness. The ONLY way to get there is 'not my will but thine Be done'.

I Am not the doer, it is the consciousness within that does the work, however, I and my Father Mother are One, I Am the consciousness within.

My true identity is in Oneness, not separate.

In Oneness, the Divine Flame within me has eyes to see and ears to hear. I won't make decisions that do not benefit the whole, because the creative source within me is doing the work, and knows exactly what is within God's will, what benefits my brothers and sisters and what does not.

The key realization is that I truly AM that creative source.

As co-creators, we are either creating from our ego sense of identity that is separate, or we are creating from our enlightened identity that is in Oneness. We can't stop creating. We were created in the image of the infinite, we are creators. Hence, the world of suffering we live in ~ we've co-created it from our ego sense of identity.

I suggest key is to shift our sense of identity from the separate sense of identity, to the reality of who we are, our Divine blue print, that is in Oneness with all life.

In Oneness, we will co-create abundance for All Life, because that is our true nature ~ unconditional Love Beings.

Moxie · 01-04-2010, 02:24 AM

However, we are what we affirm we are. Affirm we are no good seperate sinners who add nothing to the whole, and guess what? That's the role we will continue to play. Affirm we are One with the infinite, we are the Christ, we are the Buddha we are the One, and this reality (because this IS reality), manifest through our Beingness until we can clearly see what was ALWAYS Truth ~ I and my Father Mother are One. - 14 Chakras

So, there IS nothing Evil, only Ignorance (of Godhood) which brings forth all that is evil & wrong....sometimes referred to as Fallen and also "evil" as in there was a "time" this transpired.

We were created Ignorant, else we'd know.
What does that say about God?
Oh, nevermind, we have free will and we misused it, it's not God's deal, I get it.

When were we Not Ignorant? (and don't go the bible story please)
When were we in conscious full awareness of who we are before we turned ignorant?

It's all speculation ...
but
many have experientials that try to explain their "turnaround" from ignorance to knowledge (which the bible say IS eternal life).

We were either created or we weren't and if we were created, we can be destroyed i.e: the ego, that which is self conscious identity.

If self conscious identity (ego) is destroyed, then we cease to be, we are all aspects of God Consciousness (which we all were anyway while we were deluded in ego...right?)
is that what everytone is saying? That what's I hear.

If it means ego death to realize God oneness ...
then it means the uncreation of your Self.
Who knows? It doesn't seem that i have anything to do with it.

How's about we center ourselves in the here and Now and
get some things changed for the better? IF you are God Conscious
what ARE you doing to manifest that? (other than profess to others that you were ignorant and now you are God Consciousness and everthing now is OK).

off to la la land... got carried away!

greybeard · 01-04-2010, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Moxie

greybeard wrote:
"... when I surrendered my life to God I was lifted from the hell... I am free of many bondages and I like it that way."

Are you saying that you "tapped an unsuspected inner resource"?
Or might you define God differently? Is God within or without, interior or exterior?

Greybeard, you also wrote this: "There would be unending conflict as we would never come into agreement as to what should be created"

I would say, rather, that there are fewer choices choosing What is Right. The expression of what is right has fewer options than to go with what creates division & chaos because what is right is inclusive and not exclusive, that means it's not all about "me".

Hi Moxie
I went to AA when I hit rock bottom and they have a 12 step program.
3rd step is.
"Made a decision to turn our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him."
Dont think God minds what name we give Him/Her.

For me God is immanent and transcendent, within and without.
The twelve step program clears all the character defects that lead to the dependence on alcohol in the first place, through dependence on God paradoxically freedom arises --- liberation.
I tried will power, I tried everything, I was in denial that I was helpless, it wasn't until the illness progressed to the suicidal stage that I had enough humility to accept the help that is always available through AA. The power of example of long time sober members of the fellowship lifted me into sobriety along with an acceptance of God.

In essence I created misery for myself and others though the illness, the power of Divinity saved me and does a day at a time till this day.
So you can see that personally the power of creation does not appeal much to me.

Though to be clear I became successful as a sportsman, musician,therapist, (Hypnotherapy, Reiki and Bio- energy) and businessman in sobriety. I am grateful for those experiences, I realize they were a gift rather than my creation. Of myself I do nothing.

Unless consciousness changes we will have the same story over and over.
The side that starts the war justifes it. Christians slaughtered people to save their souls, witches were burned for their own good.
So what one thinks of as good for others is not necessarily truly for the good of all/
God forgive them for they know not what the do. (Jesus on the cross) They are spiritually asleep, unconscious. in order to be what we truly are we need to wake up.

Even though the wave subsides into the ocean it is fully aware of its identity, (metaphor is always flawed) awareness is eternal. You must die to be born again.

I only need to know that which is necessary for my next step on the spiritual ladder so like to keep it simple.
Basically I follow those who are enlightened because they talk from experience.

As through the grace of the guru (the late Dr Goels)I have been Kundalini awakened for over ten years im taken care of. (we all are in different ways) Shiva and Shakti the male and female aspects of God are bringing me home.

Ive shared rather more of my story than I intended but I am clear of believing that I am my story, it happened then this is now.
(let my ego out to play Lol)
"I dont mind"
Chris
Namaste

Gnosis5 · 01-04-2010, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by greybeard

Hi Moxie
I went to AA when I hit rock bottom and they have a 12 step program.
3rd step is.
"Made a decision to turn our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him."
Dont think God minds what name we give Him/Her.

For me God is immanent and transcendent, within and without.
The twelve step program clears all the character defects that lead to the dependence on alcohol in the first place, through dependence on God paradoxically freedom arises --- liberation.
I tried will power, I tried everything, I was in denial that I was helpless, it wasn't until the illness progressed to the suicidal stage that I had enough humility to accept the help that is always available through AA. The power of example of long time sober members of the fellowship lifted me into sobriety along with an acceptance of God.

In essence I created misery for myself and others though the illness, the power of Divinity saved me and does a day at a time till this day.
So you can see that personally the power of creation does not appeal much to me.

Though to be clear I became successful as a sportsman, musician,therapist, (Hypnotherapy, Reiki and Bio- energy) and businessman in sobriety. I am grateful for those experiences, I realize they were a gift rather than my creation. Of myself I do nothing.

Unless consciousness changes we will have the same story over and over.
The side that starts the war justifes it. Christians slaughtered people to save their souls, witches were burned for their own good.
So what one thinks of as good for others is not necessarily truly for the good of all/
God forgive them for they know not what the do. (Jesus on the cross) They are spiritually asleep, unconscious. in order to be what we truly are we need to wake up.

Even though the wave subsides into the ocean it is fully aware of its identity, (metaphor is always flawed) awareness is eternal. You must die to be born again.

I only need to know that which is necessary for my next step on the spiritual ladder so like to keep it simple.
Basically I follow those who are enlightened because they talk from experience.

As through the grace of the guru (the late Dr Goels)I have been Kundalini awakened for over ten years im taken care of. (we all are in different ways) Shiva and Shakti the male and female aspects of God are bringing me home.

Ive shared rather more of my story than I intended but I am clear of believing that I am my story, it happened then this is now.
(let my ego out to play Lol)
"I dont mind"
Chris
Namaste

Yes to the "dying". Casting off the unnecessary self.

14 Chakras · 12-30-2009, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by greybeard

We are not co-creators with God ,co is tandem with and implies duality.

Chris, we agree on many things, but I must admit, certainly not on this point. (at least, based on my current understanding of what is being implied here).

I have this question for you, or for anyone else, if we are not co-creators then where does evil come from? Why is there suffering? Where do perverse creations come from?

Did God create them all? Curious what your take is, and again, we agree on much, just a good point for discussion my friends.

14 Chakras · 12-30-2009, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by greybeard

In the case of Dr David Hawkins it was along the lines of. " Now that you are beyond personal karma all power is yours own it" He describes this as Luciferic temptation.
At this point he says yes you are beyond personal karma but not cosmic karma.
Jesus was also tempted in a similar way.
Hawkins found this temptation relatively easy to resist.
Power who needs it, who wants the responsibility, was his response.

I'm also going to go all controversial here and suggest that, while Hawkins I'm very confident has splendid teachings to help along the path, I'm going to suggest that the response he had to this test was indeed a failure not a pass.

Power is a Divine Flame. Creation begins with Power. Power when it is not balanced with Love and Wisdom is not Pure and results in a very unbalanced world indeed.

However, one of the biggest problems the world faces literally, is that spiritual people, those with the Love and Wisdom, refuse to take back their Power, and leave it to those who have no Wisdom or Love to run the world for them.

The Power of God is the Power of our Divine Flame within, our very own divine flame. The ego thinks that we are separate from God, therefore we have no power. This is a lie. We are an individualization of the source. Power is the Father part of our own Being. We are not separate from the Divine and the Divine is not separate from us. Only the ego wants us to believe we are powerless because only God has Power. We are individualization's of God, we are One with God, we merge with our own source, the Divine, and the Divine merges with us.

We are More.

We were commanded from day one to take dominion over our planet. ET's have now done so. Do the children of God wake up and claim their divine birthright? Or do they hide their talents in the ground not wanting the responsibility, rather letting the most egotistical and un-loving to take dominion over their world for them?

The dilemma we face...

ubiquitousquintessence · 12-30-2009, 09:06 AM

There is a vast difference between power as strength, and power as control.
My sense is that the type of power referred to regarding Mr. Hawkins is control.

My personal perspective is that power over anything (control/dominion) is of no interest.
If the choice is between controlling others in an effort to create a "better" world, and allowing "the most egotistical and un-loving" to take control and create a world of their liking, the "egotistical and un-loving" are free to do as they like in my book.

But why must it be us vs. them?
Must it be us vs. them?
Is there an "us" and a "them"?

greybeard · 12-30-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ubiquitousquintessence

There is a vast difference between power as strength, and power as control.
My sense is that the type of power referred to regarding Mr. Hawkins is control.

My personal perspective is that power over anything (control/dominion) is of no interest.
If the choice is between controlling others in an effort to create a "better" world, and allowing "the most egotistical and un-loving" to take control and create a world of their liking, the "egotistical and un-loving" are free to do as they like in my book.

But why must it be us vs. them?
Must it be us vs. them?
Is there an "us" and a "them"?

Thanks for this.
Think you would find Hawkins book "Power versus Force" interesting.
Power dosent need to do anything it just is.
Force needs energy and eventually exhausts itself.
(as defined by Hawkins)

Chris

mu2143 · 12-30-2009, 10:39 AM

Michael Tsarion gives a talk at the Granada Forum in Los Angeles talking also about the ego in this video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5184878490822#

greybeard · 12-30-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mu2143

Michael Tsarion gives a talk at the Granada Forum in Los Angeles talking also about the ego in this video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5184878490822#

Thanks for this
Chris

mu2143 · 12-30-2009, 04:40 PM

NP

Also explaining very interresting thing about whats going to happen around 2012.

greybeard · 12-30-2009, 07:49 PM

Eckhart’s profound yet simple teachings have already helped countless people throughout the world find inner peace and greater fulfillment in their lives. At the core of the teachings lies the transformation of consciousness, a spiritual awakening that he sees as the next step in human evolution. An essential aspect of this awakening consists in transcending our ego-based state of consciousness. This is a prerequisite not only for personal happiness but also for the ending of violent conflict endemic on our planet.

I pasted this from Eckhart Tolle web site

Guess this says it all.
Chris

greybeard · 12-14-2009, 12:05 PM

Thank you Carmen for your reply.
What you say is so.

The ego is not the enemy and was necessary to our survival.
It was born out of the need to see this and that as seperate fom our true self. ie what is edible what is not, what leads to pleasure what leads to pain. What is dangerous to us.
Unforunately the useful servant became a bad master.

In short it is a seperation device.
It grows stronger by percieving an enemy.
It would die for its point of view.
All wars come out of a difference of opinion.
I am right therfore you must be wrong is typical of the egoic thought.

In symplicity the ego is just self buying into and believing in the me story in the head.

Ego is all belief systems all programing all positionality.

The moment a position is held its an identification with an illusion.

its ok to have a point of view but its a mistake to believe that it is more valid than other possible points of view.

What is left when the ego is transcended?
Enlightenment is what is left.
An egoless state.

Thank you also Anchor

Looking forward to other points of view.

Chris

Leunamros · 12-14-2009, 12:29 PM

The ego is just a dimensional frame of reference (coordinates) from wich the observer (consciousness) sees experience. It is needed, and required, if you really wanna experience humanness fully; it is needed, it is required, if you wanna experience something in the first place, no matter what, even your illusory idea of "egoless" state, no matter if you lose your boundaries temporarily, you are still where you started, in the point of an observer. That ego can travel (change coordinates), and change the thing experienced, in time, space, and dimensionality, and probably beyond, of that what i can imagine. Force of will do so. You dont trascend your ego, you change it. You experience metamorphosis as blissful depending on the nature of the transformation. You are your responsability, you are ego manifested, then power is the manifestation on the degree of accountability you put on it, the less if you separate yourself from it, the more if you take charge to change what you dislike of it.

The ego is the possibility of being a source inside a source inside a source, period, infinity´s mirror.

greybeard · 12-14-2009, 12:48 PM

Causality

The ego believes there is a this causing a that ---- Dualty.

My understanding is that the way the Creator set it up is, all life has potential which is unique to that individual form
Nothing is causing anything to happen. ( how the ego loves to believe it is in control)

We are brought up to believe we and others cause things to happen - no we have a way of reacting to a situation a potential to react in our own way, no one or anything causes us to react in a definate way. No one cause us to be angry or happy that is our choice. The reaction comes from us alone.

An example.
The Marigold seed has the potential to grow into a marigold flower.
Rain soil sunlight create the enviroment for that potential to be realised but does not cause the flower to blossom. It may or may not realise its full potential.

We may or may not realise our full potential to realise what we truly are.
The ego is an obstacle to be trnscended in order to do that.

The clouds may obscure the sun but never the less it is allways there.

Chris

Leunamros · 12-14-2009, 12:57 PM

Im not talking about being in control, but you otherwise cannot pinpoint exactly, and definitively, if whe are out of it or not, you dont even know what truly potential you have, yet, your own thoughts are your own life experience sentences, your own creativity, your own responsability, and its sad to avoid to take your power by the excuse of "duality-causality"; im tired of all that, sorry. You encourage disempowerment. You want to trascend ego to be what, nothing?, to experience good emotions?, to be unbalanced forever then, if you wanna experience, forever, good emotional states, you have to set up yourself again in the desperate need of trascendence, ergo, experience pain again?, i dont get it, i think you dont know yourself enough to understand , what i do about what we are, but, anyway, i could be wrong.

I dont buy all the "we dont have any control over anything", because we have control over our decisions. Given a circumstance, we can choose how to react. And we do have control when we take responsability of our actions, otherwise it´s not how an adult human should act.

But i see you havent understood at all my idea of ego though. Ego has been demonized for throusands of years , that´s the result..... its like demonizing sex... it´s dividing yourself, to reject a part of what you are. Perfect for the powers that be plans, really. Divide an conquer, as old as ****ting.

greybeard · 12-14-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Leunamros

Im not talking about being in control, but you otherwise cannot pinpoint exactly, and definitively, if whe are out of it or not, you dont even know what truly potential you have, yet, your own thoughts are your own life experience sentences, your own creativity, your own responsability, and its sad to avoid to take your power by the excuse of "duality-causality"; im tired of all that, sorry. You encourage disempowerment. You want to trascend ego to be what, nothing?, to experience good emotions?, to be unbalanced forever then, if you wanna experience, forever, good emotional states?, i think you dont know yourself enough to understand , what i do about what we are, but, anyway, i could be wrong.

I dont buy all the "we dont have any control over anything", because we have control over our decisions. Given a circumstance, we can choose how to react.

But i see you havent understood at all my idea of ego though.

Dear Leunamros
Of course you are correct.
You have complete control over what you do within your own potential.

I would like to be a great piano player but that not a choice open to me,

My understanding is that the ego actually limits a person by bringing all kinds of cant do this fear up.
Ego less is free of fear there for able to enjoy life to the full.
There is so much miss understanding regarding this subject which is why I brought it up.
Good self esteem is very healthy that is not being a big headed ego.
Its a statment of fact to say that a person excells at whatever they choose to do.

Bear in mind Im not saying im right about anything its just my understanding of the moment, which may well change.

Regards Chris

Leunamros · 12-14-2009, 01:14 PM

Keep in mind we both are right, even if some of us were, apparently, terribly wrong in something. Why, because you are a creator and that is your power, your responsability, so, how you elaborate your view of the world, is how you will experience it.

So, all points of view, are right, but, some, are better than others.

For me, in fact, the issue of the ego is just how to develop (then, metamorph the ego) the adequate mental and spiritual technology to make me do things i couldn´t do bfore, just the analogy of the material space.

greybeard · 12-14-2009, 01:36 PM

Im away for a while to play music with friends.
Think we have made a good start to the thread.
Its our thread not mine. Im here to learn too.
Its a very complex subject.
One book I read just on this is over 300 pages.
Thanks to all contributors -- keep it coming.

Regards Chris

giovonni · 12-14-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Leunamros

Keep in mind we both are right, even if some of us were, apparently, terribly wrong in something. Why, because you are a creator and that is your power, your responsability, so, how you elaborate your view of the world, is how you will experience it.

So, all points of view, are right, but, some, are better than others.

For me, in fact, the issue of the ego is just how to develop (then, metamorph the ego) the adequate mental and spiritual technology to make me do things i couldn´t do bfore, just the analogy of the material space.

Brilliant Wonderful thread graybeard!

One~ does not have to lose their personality (ego/self) > too be.

Love should be unconditional, but friendship is not~

No one should adapt to another's belief system > too become (accepted as) an enlightened spiritual being.

Each of us (will) have different experiences and paths along the way, but it should be our objective to end up together > one in love and consciousness.

mu2143 · 12-14-2009, 03:42 PM

The EGO is a part of the genetic design that makes us feel better when where better then others. This is not part of our spirit.

Its a build in reward system that releases a drug in to the system makes you feel good and you want more and more of it.
Because of this system people who think there smart getting this feeling of being better than you are offended by others who have a lower IQ and still know more then them.

This will tricker another respones by make the person look bad in front of others, by making so called smart comments to other to show that he is smarter when he is not.
And it is worse when he is with his Wife or girl friend, because he can lose here to him if so. If the girl is atracted in some way to the so called ""lesser person". otherwise it wil not happen as bad when men are with men only.

They modded the female and male species to fit the darwin theory profile so what we see is belief . Thats how we got intrapped in the BS.

If you explain how a female species function to a women then they will dislike you, because it is another threat to them as well with out there knowledge they are reacting to a build in program.

In another word female and male species on this planet are not natural,but designed to make conflict. its part of the lie that we are a bunce of monkeys who needed to survive. Its the same with wild animals ,because normal life would not be like that.

Falling in love with a women or man if your women is not love !!!! its a stupid program make you feel good when your program has desided that she or he is the better genetic one. Drags belief system build in to US.

Addiction leeds to one thing and that is death............

01-04-2010, 12:37 AM	#2
Moxie Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Beaver Lake, AR Posts: 402	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? The ego/conscious personality" represents the portion of the Reasoning Mind that is primarily focused within the frequency bands of the third dimension, which "looks out upon the illusion of matter-space-time. As the ego begins to assimilate the other portions of the Reasoning Mind, the seeming barriers between the Dream self, Astral self, Soul Matrix and Body Consciousness will begin to dissolve. When fully assimilated the Reasoning Mind will have conscious multi-dimensional perception and the ability to direct the Subconscious and Instinctual Minds (and the physical body, emotions and intuition that manifest through the "lower minds") through conscious interaction with the Superconscious Mind of the Soul Matrix. quoted from Voyagers I, the Sleeping Abductees, 2nd Edition

01-04-2010, 12:47 AM	#3
Moxie Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Beaver Lake, AR Posts: 402	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? this is a worthy read at Bronte Baxter's website: http://brontebaxter.wordpress.com/?s=ego

01-04-2010, 12:58 AM	#4
Moxie Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Beaver Lake, AR Posts: 402	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? greybeard wrote: "... when I surrendered my life to God I was lifted from the hell... I am free of many bondages and I like it that way." Are you saying that you "tapped an unsuspected inner resource"? Or might you define God differently? Is God within or without, interior or exterior? Greybeard, you also wrote this: "There would be unending conflict as we would never come into agreement as to what should be created" I would say, rather, that there are fewer choices choosing What is Right. The expression of what is right has fewer options than to go with what creates division & chaos because what is right is inclusive and not exclusive, that means it's not all about "me". Last edited by Moxie; 01-04-2010 at 01:02 AM.

01-04-2010, 01:42 AM	#5
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? We have a purpose. We are not just a bad dream. I suggest God has a purpose for us. I suggest Jesus was not lying when he said we must be reborn to inherit life eternal. I suggest that Jesus did not mean 'life until God wipes you out!'. We are here to Be More in Oneness ~ THIS IS THE MAGICAL KEY HERE. The human ego is born of seperation, it is born out of saying "I am this because of who I am compared to that or this." However, this is illusion. There is only One. Oneness is not sameness. Oneness simply is reality. Death of the ego, is not death of the I. This is the key. Rebirth is what happens. I stop tyinking I am this or that, and instead I just Be. I'm Light. I'm in Oneness. I see this, but I'm still BEing, I'm still I. As we overcome ego, we are reborn at a higher level, the level of Oneness, interconnectedness. The ONLY way to get there is 'not my will but thine Be done'. I Am not the doer, it is the consciousness within that does the work, however, I and my Father Mother are One, I Am the consciousness within. My true identity is in Oneness, not separate. In Oneness, the Divine Flame within me has eyes to see and ears to hear. I won't make decisions that do not benefit the whole, because the creative source within me is doing the work, and knows exactly what is within God's will, what benefits my brothers and sisters and what does not. The key realization is that I truly AM that creative source. As co-creators, we are either creating from our ego sense of identity that is separate, or we are creating from our enlightened identity that is in Oneness. We can't stop creating. We were created in the image of the infinite, we are creators. Hence, the world of suffering we live in ~ we've co-created it from our ego sense of identity. I suggest key is to shift our sense of identity from the separate sense of identity, to the reality of who we are, our Divine blue print, that is in Oneness with all life. In Oneness, we will co-create abundance for All Life, because that is our true nature ~ unconditional Love Beings. Last edited by 14 Chakras; 01-04-2010 at 02:08 AM.

01-04-2010, 02:24 AM	#6
Moxie Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Beaver Lake, AR Posts: 402	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? However, we are what we affirm we are. Affirm we are no good seperate sinners who add nothing to the whole, and guess what? That's the role we will continue to play. Affirm we are One with the infinite, we are the Christ, we are the Buddha we are the One, and this reality (because this IS reality), manifest through our Beingness until we can clearly see what was ALWAYS Truth ~ I and my Father Mother are One. - 14 Chakras So, there IS nothing Evil, only Ignorance (of Godhood) which brings forth all that is evil & wrong....sometimes referred to as Fallen and also "evil" as in there was a "time" this transpired. We were created Ignorant, else we'd know. What does that say about God? Oh, nevermind, we have free will and we misused it, it's not God's deal, I get it. When were we Not Ignorant? (and don't go the bible story please) When were we in conscious full awareness of who we are before we turned ignorant? It's all speculation ... but many have experientials that try to explain their "turnaround" from ignorance to knowledge (which the bible say IS eternal life). We were either created or we weren't and if we were created, we can be destroyed i.e: the ego, that which is self conscious identity. If self conscious identity (ego) is destroyed, then we cease to be, we are all aspects of God Consciousness (which we all were anyway while we were deluded in ego...right?) is that what everytone is saying? That what's I hear. If it means ego death to realize God oneness ... then it means the uncreation of your Self. Who knows? It doesn't seem that i have anything to do with it. How's about we center ourselves in the here and Now and get some things changed for the better? IF you are God Conscious what ARE you doing to manifest that? (other than profess to others that you were ignorant and now you are God Consciousness and everthing now is OK). off to la la land... got carried away!

12-30-2009, 09:06 AM	#11
ubiquitousquintessence Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Here Posts: 36	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? There is a vast difference between power as strength, and power as control. My sense is that the type of power referred to regarding Mr. Hawkins is control. My personal perspective is that power over anything (control/dominion) is of no interest. If the choice is between controlling others in an effort to create a "better" world, and allowing "the most egotistical and un-loving" to take control and create a world of their liking, the "egotistical and un-loving" are free to do as they like in my book. But why must it be us vs. them? Must it be us vs. them? Is there an "us" and a "them"?

12-30-2009, 10:39 AM	#13
mu2143 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Holland,Netherlands Posts: 470	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? Michael Tsarion gives a talk at the Granada Forum in Los Angeles talking also about the ego in this video. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5184878490822#

12-30-2009, 04:40 PM	#15
mu2143 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Holland,Netherlands Posts: 470	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? NP Also explaining very interresting thing about whats going to happen around 2012.

12-30-2009, 07:49 PM	#16
greybeard Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Inverness Scotland Posts: 924	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? Eckhart’s profound yet simple teachings have already helped countless people throughout the world find inner peace and greater fulfillment in their lives. At the core of the teachings lies the transformation of consciousness, a spiritual awakening that he sees as the next step in human evolution. An essential aspect of this awakening consists in transcending our ego-based state of consciousness. This is a prerequisite not only for personal happiness but also for the ending of violent conflict endemic on our planet. I pasted this from Eckhart Tolle web site Guess this says it all. Chris

12-14-2009, 12:05 PM	#17
greybeard Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Inverness Scotland Posts: 924	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? Thank you Carmen for your reply. What you say is so. The ego is not the enemy and was necessary to our survival. It was born out of the need to see this and that as seperate fom our true self. ie what is edible what is not, what leads to pleasure what leads to pain. What is dangerous to us. Unforunately the useful servant became a bad master. In short it is a seperation device. It grows stronger by percieving an enemy. It would die for its point of view. All wars come out of a difference of opinion. I am right therfore you must be wrong is typical of the egoic thought. In symplicity the ego is just self buying into and believing in the me story in the head. Ego is all belief systems all programing all positionality. The moment a position is held its an identification with an illusion. its ok to have a point of view but its a mistake to believe that it is more valid than other possible points of view. What is left when the ego is transcended? Enlightenment is what is left. An egoless state. Thank you also Anchor Looking forward to other points of view. Chris

12-14-2009, 12:29 PM	#18
Leunamros Project Avalon Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 145	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? The ego is just a dimensional frame of reference (coordinates) from wich the observer (consciousness) sees experience. It is needed, and required, if you really wanna experience humanness fully; it is needed, it is required, if you wanna experience something in the first place, no matter what, even your illusory idea of "egoless" state, no matter if you lose your boundaries temporarily, you are still where you started, in the point of an observer. That ego can travel (change coordinates), and change the thing experienced, in time, space, and dimensionality, and probably beyond, of that what i can imagine. Force of will do so. You dont trascend your ego, you change it. You experience metamorphosis as blissful depending on the nature of the transformation. You are your responsability, you are ego manifested, then power is the manifestation on the degree of accountability you put on it, the less if you separate yourself from it, the more if you take charge to change what you dislike of it. The ego is the possibility of being a source inside a source inside a source, period, infinity´s mirror.

12-14-2009, 12:48 PM	#19
greybeard Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Inverness Scotland Posts: 924	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? Causality The ego believes there is a this causing a that ---- Dualty. My understanding is that the way the Creator set it up is, all life has potential which is unique to that individual form Nothing is causing anything to happen. ( how the ego loves to believe it is in control) We are brought up to believe we and others cause things to happen - no we have a way of reacting to a situation a potential to react in our own way, no one or anything causes us to react in a definate way. No one cause us to be angry or happy that is our choice. The reaction comes from us alone. An example. The Marigold seed has the potential to grow into a marigold flower. Rain soil sunlight create the enviroment for that potential to be realised but does not cause the flower to blossom. It may or may not realise its full potential. We may or may not realise our full potential to realise what we truly are. The ego is an obstacle to be trnscended in order to do that. The clouds may obscure the sun but never the less it is allways there. Chris

12-14-2009, 12:57 PM	#20
Leunamros Project Avalon Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 145	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? Im not talking about being in control, but you otherwise cannot pinpoint exactly, and definitively, if whe are out of it or not, you dont even know what truly potential you have, yet, your own thoughts are your own life experience sentences, your own creativity, your own responsability, and its sad to avoid to take your power by the excuse of "duality-causality"; im tired of all that, sorry. You encourage disempowerment. You want to trascend ego to be what, nothing?, to experience good emotions?, to be unbalanced forever then, if you wanna experience, forever, good emotional states, you have to set up yourself again in the desperate need of trascendence, ergo, experience pain again?, i dont get it, i think you dont know yourself enough to understand , what i do about what we are, but, anyway, i could be wrong. I dont buy all the "we dont have any control over anything", because we have control over our decisions. Given a circumstance, we can choose how to react. And we do have control when we take responsability of our actions, otherwise it´s not how an adult human should act. But i see you havent understood at all my idea of ego though. Ego has been demonized for throusands of years , that´s the result..... its like demonizing sex... it´s dividing yourself, to reject a part of what you are. Perfect for the powers that be plans, really. Divide an conquer, as old as ****ting.

12-14-2009, 01:14 PM	#22
Leunamros Project Avalon Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 145	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? Keep in mind we both are right, even if some of us were, apparently, terribly wrong in something. Why, because you are a creator and that is your power, your responsability, so, how you elaborate your view of the world, is how you will experience it. So, all points of view, are right, but, some, are better than others. For me, in fact, the issue of the ego is just how to develop (then, metamorph the ego) the adequate mental and spiritual technology to make me do things i couldn´t do bfore, just the analogy of the material space.

12-14-2009, 01:36 PM	#23
greybeard Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Inverness Scotland Posts: 924	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? Im away for a while to play music with friends. Think we have made a good start to the thread. Its our thread not mine. Im here to learn too. Its a very complex subject. One book I read just on this is over 300 pages. Thanks to all contributors -- keep it coming. Regards Chris

12-14-2009, 03:42 PM	#25
mu2143 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Holland,Netherlands Posts: 470	Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend? The EGO is a part of the genetic design that makes us feel better when where better then others. This is not part of our spirit. Its a build in reward system that releases a drug in to the system makes you feel good and you want more and more of it. Because of this system people who think there smart getting this feeling of being better than you are offended by others who have a lower IQ and still know more then them. This will tricker another respones by make the person look bad in front of others, by making so called smart comments to other to show that he is smarter when he is not. And it is worse when he is with his Wife or girl friend, because he can lose here to him if so. If the girl is atracted in some way to the so called ""lesser person". otherwise it wil not happen as bad when men are with men only. They modded the female and male species to fit the darwin theory profile so what we see is belief . Thats how we got intrapped in the BS. If you explain how a female species function to a women then they will dislike you, because it is another threat to them as well with out there knowledge they are reacting to a build in program. In another word female and male species on this planet are not natural,but designed to make conflict. its part of the lie that we are a bunce of monkeys who needed to survive. Its the same with wild animals ,because normal life would not be like that. Falling in love with a women or man if your women is not love !!!! its a stupid program make you feel good when your program has desided that she or he is the better genetic one. Drags belief system build in to US. Addiction leeds to one thing and that is death............