Jordan Maxwell Interview Thread

[orthodoxymoron]

Well said.

[orthodoxymoron]

One last comment about Jesus (for now). I very rarely quote scripture...and I don't talk about Jesus very much...yet I am very committed to Christ-likeness. I am venturing into all manner of crazy and uncharted territory here in Avalon (and elsewhere)...for better or for worse...but I don't ever want to venture very far from the Good Shepherd. There are ravenous wolves in this universe (and on the internet)...and I know who to call upon when days are dark.

It's not what you know. It's who you know.

[orthodoxymoron]

I'm presently interested in the possibility that what we are mostly dealing with here on Earth is a Sirius A Human vs Sirius B Human (and Sirius C Human?) Civil War...with the Sirius B Humans under Demonic Draconian control. Or...could Sirius C be Nibiru? Could Nibiru be the source of the reps and greys? I'm trying to develop a hypothesis which is fairly simple and fairly close to home. My belief is that 90% of what we hear regarding aliens and ufo's is total bs. The real truth may be too upsetting and disruptive. I'm also toying with the possibility that the greys are really a type of reptilian...and that the native reptilians and greys may not be the big problem. Are they being used by the Dracs? I continue to think that any 'Earth Changes' would be an act of God...the wrong God. I'm also wondering if our solar system is directly related to the Sirius system. Is our sun really Sirius C? Are we facing the expansion of a Draconian/Human Theocracy? Is this the New World Order? Does Maxwell think this is a done deal? I'm thinking that the real story is a composite of a lot of stories. I don't think anyone is telling the straight story presently. I think Alex Collier knows...but he knows better than to say. Think Sirius A, B, C Humans...and think Giza Intelligence. I don't have the answers...but I'm very, very curious. If you're curious too...take a look at this: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...234#post178234

[TraineeHuman]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

It does seem that people who are 'open to all viewpoints and faiths' have a difficult time with someone who enthusiastically follows Jesus.

...but is his [Maxwell's] conclusion really that there is no hope of escaping a tyrannical and corrupt future? Correct me if I'm wrong...but he didn't seem to be too upset by his hopeless verdict. I'm trying to figure that out. What is his escape route?

I appreciate you haven’t studied comparative religion, and therefore you probably don’t know that in some ways Christianity seems to have been worse – but they’re all bad, at least in how they handle the masses. (Unlike you, I see Maxwell as very much a fundamentalist.) Since this is a Jordan Maxwell thread, I believe it would be appropriate to point out how similar fundamentalist and to some extent other conservative Christianity is to Catholicism. For instance, they’re both based on getting people introverted and looking at their “sins” all the time. This is like getting people to spend their day looking at their feet. That way they can’t see where they’re actually going, or who is manipulating them, and how. The truth is, freedom is achieved by facing our weaknesses and our pain. But, only if we do so from a position of feeling OK about ourselves (despite our faults) and empowered. Religions generally seek to ensure that we remain conscious of our weaknesses from a disempowered position. That way we can never heal ourselves of anything whatsoever.

Some Christians, such as 14 Chakras and some others on this thread, manage to re-interpret much of their faith in a more self-empowering way. But they’re a minority.

Another point is that all the rottenness of some of the activities of the Vatican and co. is no doubt in certain ways ideologically based on the Catholic religion. Given the similarities between the Catholic religion and Christian fundamentalism that I claim to have given a rough sketch of, surely Christian fundamentalism could lead to equally negative actions, based on “my way is the only right way.” Maybe it already has, given Dubya’s fundamentalist beliefs.

[eleni]

They've distorted Christ consciousness to the maximum (religions) and misinterpreted it. I'm not a biblical expert though and was not raised catholic or Christian.

[orthodoxymoron]

Originally Posted by TraineeHuman

I appreciate you haven’t studied comparative religion, and therefore you probably don’t know that in some ways Christianity seems to have been worse – but they’re all bad, at least in how they handle the masses. (Unlike you, I see Maxwell as very much a fundamentalist.) Since this is a Jordan Maxwell thread, I believe it would be appropriate to point out how similar fundamentalist and to some extent other conservative Christianity is to Catholicism. For instance, they’re both based on getting people introverted and looking at their “sins” all the time. This is like getting people to spend their day looking at their feet. That way they can’t see where they’re actually going, or who is manipulating them, and how. The truth is, freedom is achieved by facing our weaknesses and our pain. But, only if we do so from a position of feeling OK about ourselves (despite our faults) and empowered. Religions generally seek to ensure that we remain conscious of our weaknesses from a disempowered position. That way we can never heal ourselves of anything whatsoever.

Some Christians, such as 14 Chakras and some others on this thread, manage to re-interpret much of their faith in a more self-empowering way. But they’re a minority.

Another point is that all the rottenness of some of the activities of the Vatican and co. is no doubt in certain ways ideologically based on the Catholic religion. Given the similarities between the Catholic religion and Christian fundamentalism that I claim to have given a rough sketch of, surely Christian fundamentalism could lead to equally negative actions, based on “my way is the only right way.” Maybe it already has, given Dubya’s fundamentalist beliefs.

How do you know that I haven't studied comparative religion? Have you? You sound a bit presumptuous and condescending. In what ways is Jordan Maxwell a Fundamentalist? I agree with you regarding the similarities between Roman Catholicism and Conservative Christianity. In fact...I believe that Protestantism is nothing more than Reformed Catholicism. The Protestants really are Separated Bretheren. They never strayed far from Mother Church. Martin Luther was a Roman Catholic...and he did not base the Protestant Reformation upon the Teachings of Jesus...as should have been the case. The Christian Church...Protestant or Catholic...has never been based upon the Words of Christ...which are entirely in harmony with the concept of Namaste. Pat Condell says what you have just said...and a lot more...complete with scorn and sarcasm. He does make a lot of sense though...and is quite funny. Viewer discretion advised. Pat is an atheist...and is very irreverent.

[Swanny]

Good interview and I think he is right in that the human race cant be saved. Sadly there are so many materialistic selfish people out there that would die for what they have rather than share it. It will take more than a miracle to wake them up

I did fall asleep for a little while and was surprised when David Wilcox spoke, how did he get there??

He doesn't like Dan Brown then

[Bobbie]

Maybe we can all change his mind. My thought is that if we're all doomed, then why not just throw up our hands or shoot ourselves in the head. Somewhere inside of him he has got to believe there is a chance, otherwise what is the point of him even doing the interview....for a precious few who might listen? So, okay, we listen, we know...now what? The logic just isn't there.

If we're doomed, what are we to do with the knowledge that we believe that he has brought to us? I do not believe we are doomed. I don't think this is why I am here,just to be blown to smitherines. I believe I am here as one of many to keep that from happening and maybe, just maybe that father of the young girl was a misinformation plant, as well as some of the other information he has tapped into. Sometimes, the more we know, the less we see.

I too think he is a brilliant man but all of the negatives have convinced him that there is not a chance in hell that the "white brotherhood" is going to get us out of this mess. After all, it's really a terrestrial battle over turf and souls. It's gonna be interesting to say the least.

[TraineeHuman]

Jordan's almost the only researcher I've come across who claims that the hostile ETs aren't greatly outnumbered by the unhostile ones.

If he's wrong about that, then it's probably quite unlikely that humanity is doomed.

[Steven]

Do not stay stuck with the notoriety of the man. He has dig a lot, but certainly does not grasp the whole picture. He is right about a spiritual war, the price being the control of our souls, but he certainly did not focused his research in the spiritual realms. Because if he would have done so, his conclusion would be different.

Namaste, Steven

[TheObserver]

I take Jordan with a grain of salt because his comparing a ship's berth to birth certificates because the words sound the same is really stretching things to me.
But i find him totally fascinating and enjoy his lectures/interviews.
And he's been doing it for years making him quite the pioneer in his field.

[mntruthseeker]

Originally Posted by TheObserver

I take Jordan with a grain of salt because his comparing a ship's berth to birth certificates because the words sound the same is really stretching things to me.
But i find him totally fascinating and enjoy his lectures/interviews.
And he's been doing it for years making him quite the pioneer in his field.

You would be wrong then because Jordan is telling us the truth.


Ralph Epperson is the one you would like to do a research on to see how all of this fits together........I guarantee you, he will blow your mind

Unfortunately Jordan is right on target with what he said.

[TheObserver]

Thanks MN, i'll check out Ralph.

[mntruthseeker]

Originally Posted by TheObserver

Thanks MN, i'll check out Ralph.

You are very welcome I heard him on The Veritas Show but he has his own website.

[Jonathon]

If I have learned anything over the past 1.5 yrs, it's that the only DOOM that really exists is that which I create or allow to be created in my own mind.

Much respect to Mr. Maxwell, however DOOM is dead to me.

[TraineeHuman]

Personally, I find some of his concepts seem to be extremely fundamentalist. At the risk of sounding "holier than thou," I have to say that many fundamentalist notions are considered proved to be flat-out 100% invalid or nonsensical by all professional philosophers at universities other than, perhaps, the Vatican's.

In particular, it is simply a fact that the whole notion that there is or even can be some or any kind of battle between good and evil is simply nonsensical. (As any Hindu, Buddhist or Taoist can tell you, good and evil simply have no relationship to each other.)

I also have difficulty making much sense of the notion that there is some kind of battle over "human souls", other than in the political sense. You [I]are[I] your soul. As long as you have a physical body, it is part of your soul just as much as any other part of you. When you die, you separate not just from your physical body but also from the electromagnetic field your thoughts and feelings have created -- which is your personality, and is certainly not your soul. One of the agreed classic works of twentieth century philosophy is a book called The concept of mind, by Gilbert Ryle, who was philosophy chairman at Cambridge University. It is written in very simple language. (It was written 40 or 50 years ago.) If you read it you will see that Ryle proves that there isn't and cannot be such a thing as a "ghost in the machine" or "spirit in the body" -- unless the "ghost" or "spirit" is in some sense the whole universe. That is what your soul is. Nothing less. Can you handle the truth?

One trouble with fundamentalist notions is that they can lead to violence, with the excuse that one is "fighting evil". J.Krishnamurti (considered by many as a reincarnation of the Buddha) liked to point out that historically speaking, Christianity is and has been by far the most murderous and bloodthirsty of the major world religions -- by a very long margin indeed. I did some research, and found he was right.

[Baron]

Firstly Bill & Kerry started out with noble intentions and that's what was so appealing, yet more and more they are loosing it, and becoming just like the rest.This interview is yet another confirmation sadly.About as hard hitting as somebody talking to a senile aunt.

The way Kerry started her interview was so obsequious that I'm sure it made many cringe or want to vomit! On the other hand perhaps she was setting him comfortable; to fire off a string of hard hitting questions, that Kerry is more than capable of doing? Sadly WRONG!

This was more of the same old same old from this REPEATER no matter how long he's been repeating! They Camelot have resurrected this man from the abyss having been found out years ago. His very spiel has changed very little in the last 20 years for example he names David Icke in every recent interview in the last few years not to site him, but to show how great he is by saying he brought him to the USA! Childish.

This interview was pointless and you could have got the same spiel from any one of his tirades posted on youtube! It was all rubbish even if it was the most kindly I have ever heard him speak, of others, he's normally swiping their work and repeating it as his own! Just like Dan Brown of all people,who he quotes as doing the same! LOL.

His description of some common words he thinks he has deciphered by his ridicules etymology such as "Berth" of ship, being or meaning "Birth"! So; and the point being???
Or his wrongly attributed name of "God" being "Got" or "Gut" in Scandinavia WRONG! Its "Gud". He does not know what he's talking about Gut is from Good Morning in the Germanic...Close but not close enough, and the point was? You had none!

This is the same guy who at the "Awake and aware conference" said "Vikings wore horns on their helmets"!!! Which to any scholar worth his salt knows is false and that its stylised art and Hollywood fantasy!


1)Kerry why did you not ask him why he goes by the name of "Jordan Maxwell" aka "Jordanus Maximus" as he thinks he is? And why NOT his real name "Russell J. Pine". Plus the many other hard hitting questions like his weird relationship with his brother who calls him a liar and why he accused him of trying to kill him? Why nothing on the person who warned Russell Pine aka Jordan Maxwell off recently about using his name and words? Which you posted and withdrew?

2) Why do you qualify some questions,with "you don't have to answer that unless you want too"!!! Just ask the question and if they don't want to say ok then leave it don't give them the chance to escape without something.

So what happens he never answers or repeats what was said in private!

Why because you and he have to keep the mystery alive for the next project, and some things will embarrass him because its BS, he knows it and so do some others, and it would prove he is an even bigger B"¤¤# S#¤%! Not because he has more secret information from his non sources! All these guys with sources from high lintel speaking to The Maxwell's the Dick Beagles the silly Greens are non existent they are liars and frauds, its one of the biggest frauds on the poor suckers who rake it in.But like governments and politicians they don't care who buys their lies.

3) Why nothing about the Terra-dactyls that he saw in Los Angeles in the early 80's!!! Is that not interesting? LOL.

4) Bill and Kerry I have appreciated your work and I was hoping you were going in another direction and you did at the start, but now you are bringing back all these people from their hovels giving them new life, who had been proved frauds and liars so went crawling back into their hovels, only now for them to re-appear and re-spill there BS and it is BS, to new ears, who know no better. They appreciate YOU two,( innocently "gullible" comes to mind,sorry) no doubt because you have brought them back and befriended them so you cannot now expose them...But what you have brought back is everything that has nothing to do with TRUTH.

5) Here is just one of several videos out there of some of the plain BS he sprouts off, and the corrections follow.He's is no symbologist and he is not Henry Lincoln either.Only 10 minutes so worth watching if only to get some perspective on this fraudster.

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...nd_a_liar____/

[mntruthseeker]

Spregovori

Yes, I understand where you are coming from as I have asked myself the very same questions. I am not that naive but instead one with much hope and I do pray to bring about change

I also know that people are very capable of change and I see more and more each day waking up, same as myself. I know it was not too long ago, I also was a zombie. I have hope in the human race.

I do not have that much knowledge in Greek Mythology or what certain words mean but I dont feel it matter to me. I am not so sure I need to worry.

I no longer trust everything that I hear that is being brought forward by Bill or Kerry. I will not base my life on their words alone. I have seen too many descrepancies. I have a very good friend in a much higher place that does show me what I need to know. That is where I go to ask any questions I have. Only a fool would be so blind as to not see what is going on. Any one that is trying to get the message out there will be more respectful in the way they do it, UNLESS as you point out they are hiding something. Do you not think that hasnt crossed my mind. I question all directions of their thoughts. I do it often

That is not why I am here. I am here because there are some very special people in this room that do KNOW what is going on. Those are the true leaders as they give their advice is such a way that it is not desending of others. They do it from their heart.

Shamanism is not to be put down in my book. I happen to have been given very sound advice from one I know and I value that person very much. I am no expert but again, I go with gut intincts on how they report their story.

Sure there are fakes all over trying to make a buck. They are in every business.

I take all whistleblowers stories with a grain of salt. Take some of their story and toss out the rest,

There are some very good teachers in this world that do their job in a manner that is all about love and pride.

I would like to hear your opinion on others that have come forward

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

Spregovori



I would like to hear your opinion on others that have come forward

Amm others? Other people that PC interviewed?

This might get complicated...

I wrote to PC before the LA conference...asking them to find a common ground...to confront the guests on their believes...to make a foundation...something to work on. During the LA conference they (Bill and Kerry) made a speech that somehow answered my question but I was not satisfied. They mentioned the differences and that they do not always agree but respect them all ect (it was rather political)

I liked it most when the guy in a red shirt (thx you whoever you are) asked Collier - "WHY.....on some point...they all...shut up?" It was like that guy was there to ask what I wanted to ask

Collier admitted he is guilty of that and than made gave an answer which was something like: go out, put some effort in it and find it yourself...

Collier mentioned he was threatened so...I can somehow understand him. Most of the whistle people etc mentioned they are threatened in in danger of being threatened...there are suppose to be "agents" present at the conferences etc...

So them being silent at the most crucial moments...at the point when all could be either revealed or verified or even denied....they remain silent...and is sort of a "problem" no 1....

Problem no2 are the differences (what I mentioned above). It is expected that not all stories can be the same but why do not they just sit down and come together with some common conclusion...

I somehow like George Green. I even wrote (e-mail) to him and he took the time to write back - I respect that. A lot of people make fun of him or claim he is all doom and gloom...making stuff miserable.... I do not agree. Wat I like about him is that he gives a detailed data and specifics. He does talk in general (like others) but he also provides real time provable specifics (which are mostly about the earthly things).

Than there is Alex Collier...the year was 1994 when the interview was made...I was 11 at that time...and the guy is talking about the dollar collasp in the interview...he is talking about borrowing and the fed...(I saw the interview later...there was no youtube when I was 11) He earned my believe with that. He also predicted other things (rather cataclysmic) those things did not happen but still I listen to what he has to say.

Benjamin Fulford...he was rather optimistic in his blog lately...about the things to come... I like him because he, like Green, provides specifics (calendar dates even) he talks about stuff in advance...stuff than you can later read about in the news...I like that...I am not saying I believe all he says...but I do take it into the account...

The people that claim to be on Mars and Jake Simpson...and Peterson.... PC team claims they had extraordinary talks with them behind the camera. On the camera they were speaking in general...claiming that if they provide any specific details they will be killed. As long as the "specifics" remain behind the camera all I can say is: "fascinating I wish to learn more...but...untill that time...I rather not put my hand into fire...I was not present behind the camera". I also do noT wish to see them killed.

Greer...charismatic person. Puts things on the head though. Claiming CIA has no clue what they are doing, claiming the official government knows absolutely nothing, saying all ET all good ET (coming from a human perspective: they would kill as if they were not). He confuses me. His connections with the people in the high places (so he says) are interesting...yet he is a little out of the "mainstream" (what most people say). Like the above I can say: "fascinating I wish to learn more..."

Bob Dean - he brought pictures. I like pictures. He is also an old man with an attitude - makes him cute. He has interesting things to say...interesting to listen to.

Wilcock...he is a funny guy. Likes to use logic to explain things. Likes to back up his statements with some sort of evidence...he trays to be more than just words. I like that. I listen to what he has to say.

David Icke - a mix of all of the above people

Leo Zagami - I am surprised that he is still suppose to be alive after all he said...by all the "rules" he should be dead. Or what is with him now anyway? Back inside under close guard?

...etc there are many of them

Than there are people like Eustace Mullins that were speaking about the government consipracyd even before I was born...

And than there is Alex Jones...with a war in his mind...or on his mind...not something I am fond of (war in any possible way) but he does his part of the amm stuff...

I wish there was a common ground for all of this. Something we could all work on/from...to a "bright tomorrow"

At this moment I do not see unity either among people (difference communities) and people that PC interviews...and that "bothers" me....a lot...

Collier spoke of mentoring. I gave that a lot of thought...would be very nice to implement that (would not be simple though)

EDIT:typos

[eleni]

George Green I agree is not coming from negativity- he had a legion (6 on either side) of ET beings during his talk. They were positive beings. This is the first time I had ever seen anything like that in regular 3rd dimension. As I watched GG speak his auric field (which was golden) moved - I guess what I am saying is that I was able to see his field and everytime he moved his hands/arms it was weird because the field moved with it! I did not see this on anyone else (and I always sat in the first few rows)......


Am listening to Red Ice Creation interview with Clif High now- I agree that the people (as the economy takes another big down slide) are not going to let the Elites continue *ruling*. It's up to people like us not to give them all the power.
They are not all powerful and I don't give a **** which ET's or reptoids are ruling over them. They are not as smart and powerful as the people are making them out to be. If the majority woke up do you think they would not worry?
They are very worried when people wake up and stop buying their BS.

Don't SUPPORT them- as hard as it is- look at everything you *buy* into and opt out. Get off the grid as much as possible, grow your own food, become self reliant and don't fall for their game. They want you in their *systems* the more people opt out then the less powerful those systems become.

[Moxie]

READ THIS AGAIN folks. Spregovori wrote "Problem no2 are the differences (what I mentioned above). It is expected that not all stories can be the same but why do not they just sit down and come together with some common conclusion.... I wish there was a common ground... At this moment I do not see unity either among people... and people that PC interviews...and that "bothers" me....a lot..."

That's my bottom line as well.... "unified solutions", where are they?

If all the membership logs and forum members of all the many "conspiracy" sites would MERGE, just imagine what this focus could produce! Hello? I just don't get it either!

[Phtha]

It started making sense to me thanks to members here at avalon who pointed it out.
We are seeing the same thing in the alternative media that we see in politics.
Left/right paradigms created to distract and divide. It's no accident.
Rense vs Jone
Maxwell vs Icke
Camelot vs umm forgot his name...
And so forth

Originally Posted by Moxie

If all the membership logs and forum members of all the many "conspiracy" sites would MERGE, just imagine what this focus could produce! Hello? I just don't get it either!

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by Spregovori

I also do noT wish to see them killed.

typo I hope lol

yes it was and it is fix : )

...

We are being presented with a problem

so as to fractionate and confuse us


the Big dividing factor


the extraterrestrials


and all the complications that come with it


nordic gray reptilian andromedan pleiades orion sirius etc etc


We are being bombarded with information about alien presence


Who is good Who is bad


We are supposed to pick one

and to believe in it

so much so

as to even defend

the nonexistence of it

keep us quarreling among ourselves


the cold razor of discernment

cuts through this cr@p


If its not angelic

it is demonic

OMG yes thx...I made a correction....

[beren]

Originally Posted by RedeZra

typo I hope lol

yes it was and it is fix : )

...

We are being presented with a problem

so as to fractionate and confuse us


the Big dividing factor


the extraterrestrials


and all the complications that come with it


nordic gray reptilian andromedan pleiades orion sirius etc etc


We are being bombarded with information about alien presence


Who is good Who is bad


We are supposed to pick one

and to believe in it

so much so

as to even defend

the nonexistence of it

keep us quarreling among ourselves


the cold razor of discernment

cuts through this cr@p


If its not angelic

it is demonic

It is. But one thing Maxwell said it right is : People are stupid ... also they like their filth and ignorance (ignorance is bliss-anyone? )

In last few months a certain sentence spoken from the Christ himself comes into light:
when the son of man comes ,will he find faith on Earth?