supreme court ruling on obama's elig. for presidency

[orthodoxymoron]

If Obama is not qualified...his handlers could use this to keep him in line...to provoke a constitutional crisis...to destroy him...to destroy America...or all of the above.

I'd love to see that old 'Where's the Beef?' commercial...modified to 'Where's the Birth Certificate?'

[Humble Janitor]

I have nothing to say but GET OVER IT!

I love how they pull numbers out of their asses. 77% of voters? Sounds like a total lie.

[peaceandlove]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

If Obama is not qualified...his handlers could use this to keep him in line...to provoke a constitutional crisis...to destroy him...to destroy America...or all of the above.

I'd love to see that old 'Where's the Beef?' commercial...modified to 'Where's the Birth Certificate?'

Blessings Orthodoxymoron,

The arms of government corporatism spread far and wide. Perhaps America is already destroyed. "Where's the Freedom?"

PaL

From G. Edward Griffin...

"America's largest billboard company refuses to sell space for an advertising campaign that asks: "Where's the birth certificate?" It is not politically correct to question the President's eligibility to hold office." WND 2009 June 3 (Cached)

Cover-up: CBS Bans Eligibility Billboards
Industry signage leader rejects campaign asking simply 'Where's the birth certificate?'

Posted: June 03, 2009
8:05 pm Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily

WASHINGTON – The company touting itself as the "world's largest out-of-home media" enterprise has banned WND's national billboard campaign that asks one simple question: "Where's the birth certificate?"

CBS Outdoor, a division of CBS Corp. that sells more outdoor advertising than any other billboard company in North America, refuses to accept purchases of space on any of its 550,000 displays nationwide, media buyers for WND report.

Excerpt:

"Is it unusual for a news agency to launch such a campaign?" asks Farah. "Yes it is. But we live in very unusual times. The founding fathers built special protections into the First Amendment for the free press. The reason they did that is because they understood a vibrant 'Fourth Estate' was necessary as an independent watchdog on government. It is in that tradition that WND assumes this role – since nobody else in the press will do it.

Article continues: http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100022

CREED OF FREEDOM http://www.freedomforceinternational...seaction=creed

SOURCE: http://www.realityzone.com/currentperiod.html G. Edward Griffin's site.

[hueyii]

Settle down people. Lick your wounds, the court battle is over.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/...citizensh.html

[bodhisattva]

Originally Posted by Sarahmay

Orion, you are the one not reading between the lines here. These women do not deny being Hillary supporters...nor are they admitting it either, because they lose credibility. They are not saying that all politicians are evil, just Obama. Because they are bitter over Hillary. It helps to understand where the motivation is coming from. They are not on the same page as you.

You are so off base! I am NOT a Hillary supporter. I am a CONSTITUTION supporter, a patriotic American.

Orion is correct, ALL candidates are fascist NWO puppets. With the exception of Ron Paul.

[Sarahmay]

Originally Posted by bodhisattva

You are so off base! I am NOT a Hillary supporter. I am a CONSTITUTION supporter, a patriotic American.

Orion is correct, ALL candidates are fascist NWO puppets. With the exception of Ron Paul.

Okay then, I stand corrected. There is no way you would ever vote for a mainstream candidate therefore this attack on Obama is a generalized attack on any politician. You know, Ron Paul has as many illuminati ties as any of them if you look hard enough. He just likes to rail.

[Fredkc]

Originally Posted by bodhisattva

You are so off base! I am NOT a Hillary supporter. I am a CONSTITUTION supporter, a patriotic American.

Orion is correct, ALL candidates are fascist NWO puppets. With the exception of Ron Paul.

Hear Hear!! and Bravo!

I am continually baffled by comments like "Get over it", when it appears that we are about to "install" someone who has absolutely no business holding the office.

S'not a white/black thing, nor a Dem/Rep thing, it's a Constitutional thing!

It's about the FACT that people in this country are FREE! Whether they choose to insist on that or not. They were free to do as the wished before there was a Constitution, and gave up none of that, when it was ratified.

The Constitution was an agreement, allowing govt to exist, so long as it abides by the agreement. Govt and it's toadies get away with what is going on simply because we let them. Because people have been slowly brought to the notion that it's government that allows them to exist. That the Constitution is where we get our freedom and our rights. Untrue.

Don't believe me? Here! Go read. You will find not one right granted to anyone in the "Bill Of Rights". They are about rights people already had, which government has no authority to touch.

Now, look around you and tell me that govt has been abiding by the agreement. One liar after another, then another has said grace over betrayal, and now people want to object if the least is asked... that the current liar in chief, at least be an american citizen. It's pathetic.

PS: bodhisattva; Thank you. Never sit down. Never shut up

PPS: It won't be Hillary who gets "installed" By the way ... that is also Constitutionally decided. It would be Joe Biden. But then you'd have to read the document, to know that.

[Frank Samuel]

As so called Americans we stole the lands from the American Indians, where 60 million where slaughter. In my view born or not we are not true americans, we are simply thieves born in a land robbed by force. Same in Central America and South America. Is pointless to talk about birthright in my opinion.It is a historical fact that these tyrants brought by force slaves, from their lands. Africa being the main land prey upon, Africa now has claim justice. Wether you agree with it or not Bush created 911 and the Muslim world suffer the consequences, it is beffitting that a muslim claims the throne. Sooner or later Karma comes knocking at our door, the things that are happening in my opinion are meant to happen. We make the world what it is, lets create a better world for all irregardless who sits at the throne of the presidency. What will our world be like in 20 years, will it be better or worse.
Obama is just one part of our history. Make your history do not let it be made for you, become an active participant.

[StClair]

Dear Frank Samuel. Sir

THINKING TOGETHER...

Your thoughts lead this conversation, where we who participate in this thread, in the correct direction, in my opinion, which is why in my words and videos ( see link below ) I am beginning to bring the attention of the "Shields & Seers" into this focus. Seers will have to shield the lands from impact.


The Lands.
Whose Lands?

We are tenants of this planet, who can do without us here unless we become the stewards of this place, for a future population of advanced ones, in transition, preparing to be handing over the planet to the new breed of "leaderless leaders." Pluto in Capricorn One will begin in a few days by new moon a new era.


See also http://stclairzone.ning.com/profiles...-the-master-of

Peace - Today 11.22.2008 with Sun in Sagittarius One, sixty degrees away from Impact.

[THE eXchanger]

what is most interesting...
is, that many of us, where in "that past"
and, that many of us, are here in "this NOW"

and, in many cases / our past timelines,
ARE, what ironically, caused, our current "now" timeline,
all of it, is a direct result,
of a combination of "good" and, "bad" choices

so, with that said, let us all work,
to altering "the choices"...
so, that, we do "the right" things in this NOW

it is quite apparent,
that even advanced technology,
can be utilised against us, and, rigged,
to NOT reflect the "real truth"

love/susan
the eXchanger

[Avid]

Originally Posted by eXchanger

what is most interesting...
is, that many of us, where in "that past"
and, that many of us, are here in "this NOW"

and, in many cases / our past timelines,
ARE, what ironically, caused, our current "now" timeline,
all of it, is a direct result,
of a combination of "good" and, "bad" choices

so, with that said, let us all work,
to altering "the choices"...
so, that, we do "the right" things in this NOW

it is quite apparent,
that even advanced technology,
can be utilised against us, and, rigged,
to NOT reflect the "real truth"

love/susan
the eXchanger

Susan - what 'was then is now and what is now was then', I know what you mean - but it doesn't help the desperate folk! I'm not privileged, nor attuned as yourself and other colleagues here - how can we really make change?
Of course things are rigged - of course we must will things to become better, but unless we form a 'cone of power' against these forces, the masses are not aware of any of our efforts, and will be duped.
So - we do the 'right things' in this 'now'? The message is powerless unless it is rationally stated to the average voter/citizen/reader - THEN we can react, do the agreed 'right thing' in 'this now'. Something more solid perhaps?
This is such a difficult transition

[Northern Boy]

Originally Posted by bodhisattva

you are so off base! I am not a hillary supporter. I am a constitution supporter, a patriotic american.

Orion is correct, all candidates are fascist nwo puppets. With the exception of ron paul.

don`t bet on it

[bodhisattva]

Originally Posted by Northern Boy

don`t bet on it

Don't bet on what Northern Boy?

[stargate22]

Looks Like Dan Burisch's "Fat Lady" ( Hillary ) my still sing after all....We'll see.


We live in interesting Time Lines...No?

[mntruthseeker]

We are to "get over it" we voted for hillary

No, I will never get over it, Obama is a fraud, a cheater, a liar and I have absolutely no respect for Obama, Hillary, Bill, John or anyone else that ran outside of Ron Paul

Ron is a real man. Jim is a real man. Too bad the USA is full of phony wanna-be liars, drug addicts and murderers and I might add pedofiles

So now you need to get over it and quit knocking some one posting the "truth". You need to learn to be respectble to others.

[Powerinourhandsl]

This debate is interesting to me as an expat Englishman living in Spain. The Births Marriges and deaths are all recorded on a public registery in the uk , and anyone can look at the registery ( online ) and obtain the entry number. Then with an entry number you pay 7 pounds and a certified copy is sent to you. Can you not do that in the states?

But as has been pointed out , the actual certificate proves nothing .It has been stated that at the time he was in a state school in indonesia dual citizenship was not allowed. this effectivly means that because he went to school in indonesia at a time when you could not be a dual citizen you have renounced your American citizenship. In fact in the school records that perport to be from that era , they record him as being Indonesian, with faith recorded as Islam. That is a pretty big and reasonable question that to enter the office of President of the united states i would have thought requires further investigation. It is your constitution, and anything that has stood that long demands at least a little respect. If the questions can be answered to the satisfaction of the supreame court , great, but there seems to be a reasonable doubt that requires clarification.
But i find it hard to believe that anyone would go as far as Barak , or be selected to go as far, without first tieing all of these loose ends up. Unless its all part of the plan to really shove the knife in the back of the usa when it is declared he cannot stand..I imagine another 1000 points would drop off the dow the day they say he can´t stand.

[bodhisattva]

Originally Posted by Powerinourhandsl

This debate is interesting to me as an expat Englishman living in Spain. The Births Marriges and deaths are all recorded on a public registery in the uk , and anyone can look at the registery ( online ) and obtain the entry number. Then with an entry number you pay 7 pounds and a certified copy is sent to you. Can you not do that in the states?

But as has been pointed out , the actual certificate proves nothing .It has been stated that at the time he was in a state school in indonesia dual citizenship was not allowed. this effectivly means that because he went to school in indonesia at a time when you could not be a dual citizen you have renounced your American citizenship. In fact in the school records that perport to be from that era , they record him as being Indonesian, with faith recorded as Islam. That is a pretty big and reasonable question that to enter the office of President of the united states i would have thought requires further investigation. It is your constitution, and anything that has stood that long demands at least a little respect. If the questions can be answered to the satisfaction of the supreame court , great, but there seems to be a reasonable doubt that requires clarification.
But i find it hard to believe that anyone would go as far as Barak , or be selected to go as far, without first tieing all of these loose ends up. Unless its all part of the plan to really shove the knife in the back of the usa when it is declared he cannot stand..I imagine another 1000 points would drop off the dow the day they say he can´t stand.

You have made some excellent points. Thank you.

I personally wrote to all 9 supreme court judges today. I am simply a patriotic American doing my part to uphold our constitution.

The SCOTUS is charged with upholding our constitution; if they don't at least demand to see hard evidence that BHO is eligible to be president, then we and the United States of America are doomed.

If this election has taught us anything, it is just how corrupt the MSM, judges, courts, FBI, CIA, FEC, DNC etc really are.....it seems no one cares about our concerns about his eligibility.....it appears he is being rammed down our throat.

Personally, I'd consider moving off planet, if that were an option.

Cheers.

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

We are to "get over it" we voted for hillary

No, I will never get over it, Obama is a fraud, a cheater, a liar and I have absolutely no respect for Obama, Hillary, Bill, John or anyone else that ran outside of Ron Paul

Ron is a real man. Jim is a real man. Too bad the USA is full of phony wanna-be liars, drug addicts and murderers and I might add pedofiles

So now you need to get over it and quit knocking some one posting the "truth". You need to learn to be respectble to others.

You don't even know what the truth is because you're too biased.

Oh yeah, this "Ron Paul is a god, OMG!" type of behavior just shows that anyone who trashes Obama is a total hypocrite.

[StClair]

Dear Friends

Will explain here a few generic things in simple terms and will not go into too many details, although I am briefed in great detail.

As a few here know, I have been advising some of the "Constitutionalists" (Ron Paul / Palin type constituency people) from the background with rather "intellectual-spiritual" type guidance ideas, as to how to proceed, from an esoteric and legal stand point.

What eXchanger and Bodhisattva are explaining here to you all is actually important if you who live in the USA care to understand how the system is supposed to work according to the constitution.

Everyone ought to stay realm level headed and calm now and not go into any kind of mental overdrive - ok.

Now that the practical available legal steps have been taken, the "rest of the work" has to be done silently, from the minds of the seers. Noise will not produce results. Activism has to be peaceful and of spiritual nature to protect the LANDS of the ancient shamans.

There is one issue, which is that for all intents and purposes, practically speaking, the court system that rules the LANDS is under Admiralty Law, and not any longer under the old Common Law.

In other words you live under hidden Martial Law.

Furthermore there only very few Judges left inside the USA who are "approved" to dispense as experts on constitutional matters. Attorney Berg was not able apparently to ask the courts for a "Constitutional Session" in court. Most if not all courts are "Corporation" courts who work for the "Corp. US" or "corpus" for short.

Let me explain something shocking to you which I did try to explain to Project Camelot off the record in May 08 when we shot my videos at Lake Geneva.

This was all planned since way back in the early Nineties. For the machine behind the Indonesian passport holder to take out the Clinton machine in the primaries you can imagine what types of powers are involved, and this includes also occult technologies.

The fact that during September October these powers acted as if it was all a "done deal" shows you not only that the matter was decided before hand, but that they knew they had what it takes to quash everything in sight. This is serious stuff we are talking about here.

I have stated and say it again, that the people actually did vote in majority for McCain/Palin, and the votes were switched with a technology I know only the rudimentary outlines of, not the details. Seers know this.

OK and while it is correct that to some degree McCain also is somewhat part of NWO, he is on the fringes on his own, cut lose from the machine, "off the reservation" at the very least from the moment on when at the end of August he brought in the "Independent" Palin who is only "nominally" a Republican, but at heart a "Constitutionalist."

As some of you who know things in more depth do know well, Palin was most unhappy with the handlers of McCain, ashe himself was. These are the same handlers as the ones who handled the seeming "other side."

Why do you think Palin "went rogue" ???

So you make of this what you want, and this is why I did NOT predict the one who seems to have been elected to become President.

The actual President elect, believe it or not, is John McCain, and he knows it and I know it, and a very few in the know do know it. We decided to go silent and wait and see.

I suggest you all do the same and stay safe and use your minds to do the rest of the work by going within. Here we apply now our Krishnamurti type teachings.

Like the other smart and enlightened ones who spoke up here, I am on no one's side but on the side of the Constitution, and the side of human spiritual ORDER, whereas all the others are promoting human disorder. If people wish to be "radical" they must become knowledgeable first.

As to the rest - it is here: http://Passage11.com/Mirror.htm
This page is generically written and includes the above matter,
among many other things that fall into exactly this category worldwide.

Peace
Michael St.Clair

[Gnosis5]

bump

Originally Posted by StClair

Dear Friends

Will explain here a few generic things in simple terms and will not go into too many details, although I am briefed in great detail.

As a few here know, I have been advising some of the "Constitutionalists" (Ron Paul / Palin type constituency people) from the background with rather "intellectual-spiritual" type guidance ideas, as to how to proceed, from an esoteric and legal stand point.

What eXchanger and Bodhisattva are explaining here to you all is actually important if you who live in the USA care to understand how the system is supposed to work according to the constitution.

Everyone ought to stay realm level headed and calm now and not go into any kind of mental overdrive - ok.

Now that the practical available legal steps have been taken, the "rest of the work" has to be done silently, from the minds of the seers. Noise will not produce results. Activism has to be peaceful and of spiritual nature to protect the LANDS of the ancient shamans.

There is one issue, which is that for all intents and purposes, practically speaking, the court system that rules the LANDS is under Admiralty Law, and not any longer under the old Common Law.

In other words you live under hidden Martial Law.

Furthermore there only very few Judges left inside the USA who are "approved" to dispense as experts on constitutional matters. Attorney Berg was not able apparently to ask the courts for a "Constitutional Session" in court. Most if not all courts are "Corporation" courts who work for the "Corp. US" or "corpus" for short.

Let me explain something shocking to you which I did try to explain to Project Camelot off the record in May 08 when we shot my videos at Lake Geneva.

This was all planned since way back in the early Nineties. For the machine behind the Indonesian passport holder to take out the Clinton machine in the primaries you can imagine what types of powers are involved, and this includes also occult technologies.

The fact that during September October these powers acted as if it was all a "done deal" shows you not only that the matter was decided before hand, but that they knew they had what it takes to quash everything in sight. This is serious stuff we are talking about here.

I have stated and say it again, that the people actually did vote in majority for McCain/Palin, and the votes were switched with a technology I know only the rudimentary outlines of, not the details. Seers know this.

OK and while it is correct that to some degree McCain also is somewhat part of NWO, he is on the fringes on his own, cut lose from the machine, "off the reservation" at the very least from the moment on when at the end of August he brought in the "Independent" Palin who is only "nominally" a Republican, but at heart a "Constitutionalist."

As some of you who know things in more depth do know well, Palin was most unhappy with the handlers of McCain, ashe himself was. These are the same handlers as the ones who handled the seeming "other side."

Why do you think Palin "went rogue" ???

So you make of this what you want, and this is why I did NOT predict the one who seems to have been elected to become President.

The actual President elect, believe it or not, is John McCain, and he knows it and I know it, and a very few in the know do know it. We decided to go silent and wait and see.

I suggest you all do the same and stay safe and use your minds to do the rest of the work by going within. Here we apply now our Krishnamurti type teachings.

Like the other smart and enlightened ones who spoke up here, I am on no one's side but on the side of the Constitution, and the side of human spiritual ORDER, whereas all the others are promoting human disorder. If people wish to be "radical" they must become knowledgeable first.

As to the rest - it is here: http://Passage11.com/Mirror.htm
This page is generically written and includes the above matter,
among many other things that fall into exactly this category worldwide.

Peace
Michael St.Clair

[dolphin]

Originally Posted by StClair

Dear Friends

Will explain here a few generic things in simple terms and will not go into too many details, although I am briefed in great detail.

As a few here know, I have been advising some of the "Constitutionalists" (Ron Paul / Palin type constituency people) from the background with rather "intellectual-spiritual" type guidance ideas, as to how to proceed, from an esoteric and legal stand point.

What eXchanger and Bodhisattva are explaining here to you all is actually important if you who live in the USA care to understand how the system is supposed to work according to the constitution.

Everyone ought to stay realm level headed and calm now and not go into any kind of mental overdrive - ok.

Now that the practical available legal steps have been taken, the "rest of the work" has to be done silently, from the minds of the seers. Noise will not produce results. Activism has to be peaceful and of spiritual nature to protect the LANDS of the ancient shamans.

There is one issue, which is that for all intents and purposes, practically speaking, the court system that rules the LANDS is under Admiralty Law, and not any longer under the old Common Law.

In other words you live under hidden Martial Law.

Furthermore there only very few Judges left inside the USA who are "approved" to dispense as experts on constitutional matters. Attorney Berg was not able apparently to ask the courts for a "Constitutional Session" in court. Most if not all courts are "Corporation" courts who work for the "Corp. US" or "corpus" for short.

Let me explain something shocking to you which I did try to explain to Project Camelot off the record in May 08 when we shot my videos at Lake Geneva.

This was all planned since way back in the early Nineties. For the machine behind the Indonesian passport holder to take out the Clinton machine in the primaries you can imagine what types of powers are involved, and this includes also occult technologies.

The fact that during September October these powers acted as if it was all a "done deal" shows you not only that the matter was decided before hand, but that they knew they had what it takes to quash everything in sight. This is serious stuff we are talking about here.

I have stated and say it again, that the people actually did vote in majority for McCain/Palin, and the votes were switched with a technology I know only the rudimentary outlines of, not the details. Seers know this.

OK and while it is correct that to some degree McCain also is somewhat part of NWO, he is on the fringes on his own, cut lose from the machine, "off the reservation" at the very least from the moment on when at the end of August he brought in the "Independent" Palin who is only "nominally" a Republican, but at heart a "Constitutionalist."

As some of you who know things in more depth do know well, Palin was most unhappy with the handlers of McCain, ashe himself was. These are the same handlers as the ones who handled the seeming "other side."

Why do you think Palin "went rogue" ???

So you make of this what you want, and this is why I did NOT predict the one who seems to have been elected to become President.

The actual President elect, believe it or not, is John McCain, and he knows it and I know it, and a very few in the know do know it. We decided to go silent and wait and see.

I suggest you all do the same and stay safe and use your minds to do the rest of the work by going within. Here we apply now our Krishnamurti type teachings.

Like the other smart and enlightened ones who spoke up here, I am on no one's side but on the side of the Constitution, and the side of human spiritual ORDER, whereas all the others are promoting human disorder. If people wish to be "radical" they must become knowledgeable first.

As to the rest - it is here: http://Passage11.com/Mirror.htm
This page is generically written and includes the above matter,
among many other things that fall into exactly this category worldwide.

Peace
Michael St.Clair

it doesn't matter if it was McCain/Palin.... they ARE ALL CORRUPT!!! including OBAMA... (exception of Ron Paul)

it's the SYSTEM that needs to change! tptb are the ones who choose. it's all theatre!

why do you insist on what the "real" votes were when the choices aren't REAL choices to begin w. you KEEP talking about Palin as if she would be good for this country .... NOT!!!!! ....you mention McCain as "WE keep silent" what are you inferring by that? sounds like you're a bit too close to the elite which just keeps this false drama going.

[Unified Serenity]

It looks like we may finally have a case heard on BO eligibility or the lack of clearning his eligibility. I'm not sure yet, but here is what WND has on it:

Judge to hear case

Article states:

"A judge hearing one of the cases challenging Barack Obama's eligibility to be president has taken the unusual step of describing the dispute as a serious constitutional issue and further has begun adding letters of comment from the public to the court record.

Word of the action by U.S. Magistrate Judge Joel Schneider in Camden, N.J., comes from attorney Mario Apuzzo, who is handling the Kerchner vs. Obama case.

Apuzzo filed his lawsuit in January on behalf of Charles F. Kerchner Jr., Lowell T. Patterson, Darrell James Lenormand and Donald H. Nelson Jr. Named as defendants are Barack Hussein Obama II, the U.S., Congress, the Senate, House of Representatives and former Vice President Dick Cheney along with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

The case focuses on the alleged failure in Congress to follow the Constitution. That document, the lawsuit states, "provides that Congress must fully qualify the candidate 'elected' by the Electoral College Electors."

The Constitution provides, the lawsuit said, "If the president-elect shall have failed to qualify, then the vice president elect shall act as president until a president shall have qualified."

"There existed significant public doubt and grievances from plaintiffs and other concerned Americans regarding Obama's eligibility to be president and defendants had the sworn duty to protect and preserve the Constitution and specifically under the 20th Amendment, Section 3, a Constitutional obligation to confirm whether Obama, once the electors elected him, was qualified," the case explained.

"Congress is the elected representative of the American people and the people speak and act through them," the lawsuit said.

The defendants "violated" the 20th Amendment by failing to assure that Obama meets the eligibility requirements," the lawsuit said."

[waitinginthewings]

Amazing.....so many dismissals on the various cases.......that alone points the figure squarely at Obama......if he was legit.....he wouldn't hesitate to come up with his papers.

No date for next hearing?

[Unified Serenity]

Originally Posted by waitinginthewings

Amazing.....so many dismissals on the various cases.......that alone points the figure squarely at Obama......if he was legit.....he wouldn't hesitate to come up with his papers.

No date for next hearing?

So far it looks like the judge is going to let the defendants get council and agrees it will take some time due to the number involved and their various positions. So, not sure on the dates, I just hope he does not allow too much time. He appears to want to get this case heard. We'll see.

[waitinginthewings]

Originally Posted by Unified Serenity

So far it looks like the judge is going to let the defendants get council and agrees it will take some time due to the number involved and their various positions. So, not sure on the dates, I just hope he does not allow too much time. He appears to want to get this case heard. We'll see.

For the sake of the American people & even the world thats watching closely, I hope it gets resolved very soon....enough time has been wasted & enough roadblocks put up.