Young people??? Teenagers???

[SoldierOfTruth808]

Good point.... I should...

But honestly im kinda fascinated... I wanna know what you were trying to do when you said that. I mean what were you thinking? Literally... I wanna know, because I just dont seem to operate on such a petty level. Its fascinating to try and understand how people like you think. I mean what motivated you? Do you know him? Did he do something to you that made you think he was arrogant? Did the things he said make you feel belittled? Did it feel like he was condescending you? Does he make you feel uncomfortable? You have a phobia of 17 year olds?

....enlighten me.... Enlighten all of us, how can we learn to understand you?

[omnicentricity]

People with low self-esteem (LSE) tend to view people with high self-esteem (HSE) as arrogant.

This has been a near universal observation in my many years learning social dynamics. In social experiences, the only people who ever gave me the feedback "you are arrogant" tended to be people who did not think very highly of themselves (which is why they have a hard time relating to the modes of being HSE, full of love for yourself and others).

In my experience, this is what these kind of communications tend to mean. Your mileage may vary.

[suchanawesomekid]

I love this forum

Originally Posted by Deoxyan

such an awesome kid seems to be such an arrogant human.

good point deoxyan.
to be quite honest, i am always, and i mean always battling with my ego.
like for example, look at my user name. that wasn't me. that was my ego.
and now i'm screwed because i can't change it to something more neutral.
anyway i'm here and everywhere to learn. so that keeps me grounded i think. to know that i know very little about everything.
peace xx

Originally Posted by taomation

God Bless Avalon...Tao

yess.. actually God has already blessed us with Avalon.
it's all blessings all over the place!!!!!! agggghhhh seriously
i just need to open my eyes and there's a blessing, right there, staring at me.
nice to meet you Tao.. Gregg xx

Originally Posted by oxjmaups2005xo

my awakening of things started to happen when i was about 12 was when i was able to make sense of everything and put it together.

cool.

Originally Posted by omnicentricity

my idea of maturing (at this point in my life), is learning how to re-integrate all the states of being that I took completely for granted as a very young child.

mr. omnicentricity... uhhh... that's your name, right? anyway... i agree with everything you've said on this thread so far... hope we can have interesting chats in the future. funny that chats means cats in french.

and yesss i think most humans especially in industrialized nations lose sense of what is really important as soon as they fall pray of the primitive but very effective mechanisms of control that are naturally put in place in a human environment. they forget who they are. i always pay attention to what children do and what they have to say. also creatures like cats, squirrels and spiders have a lot to say all the time.

maturing is a fantastic process. i see it unfold in my own self every day.



peace avaloners

[Dean Plejaren]

Avalon Members.

This is a call to action. We are after resources, abundance, and empowerment of the individual. To live life to the fullest in freedom and allowing us to achieve our full potential.

So I am focused on starting a group for this purpose. To build our strength as a force that empowers the individual's freedom.

So this is what I prepose.
*Working as a group rather than individually.
*Having a strong direct focus to achieve empowerment of the individual and their happiness.
*Waging war on anything that obstructs the previous and overcoming it.

If we stay loyal to these principles we will win. On our own we can only do so much but together we are much more powerful.

Stay away from fake movements and deceptive distractions. Keep the focus.

This is the real thing.

Do you want to be involved in victory? You can now respond here so I know you are in agreement and interested in co-operating.

This is open to consider all ideas but the best advice will be a form of action to progress such an agreement forward. The ball is in your court. I will wait for your feeback.











http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmR4cMs14p4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJVzPZYupOE

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[suchanawesomekid]

Originally Posted by Deoxyan

I don´t trust in kids who think of themselves as awesome

hey
if you get one of the moderators of the forum to allow me to change my user name to something less egotistical, i swear i will.
just so i don't hurt you anymore
and then we can all be happy

[Hypnotize]

hey!, i'm 17 so i guess that makes me young and i've been attracked to "fringe" subjects since i was about 12. cool to see younger people here.

I think all kids are awesome. They are our future and the love magic of the Universe. I believe in you.

Love and Peace,
Kevin

[Dean Plejaren]

hey
if you get one of the moderators of the forum to allow me to change my user name to something less egotistical, i swear i will.
just so i don't hurt you anymore
and then we can all be happy

Your username is fine. Be proud of it. I like it. Don't change it for anyone.

[pilgrim]

Originally Posted by suchanawesomekid

hey
if you get one of the moderators of the forum to allow me to change my user name to something less egotistical, i swear i will.
just so i don't hurt you anymore
and then we can all be happy

Hey Kid,
don't you dare change your name, 'cos 'tis very apt.
This is probably one of the best threads I have seen and I have gained so much inspiration and hope for the future from it. Thanks very much to you and the rest of the wise 'young' people that have contributed.
My eldest daughter is 37 and the youngest 24, and I'm so envious of your wisdom at such a young age. I hope this doesn't sound patronising.., just speaking from the heart.
Good luck on your journey.

ps, you'll always meet grumpy people on your travels, so give them something they haven't got.. a smile.

[raulduke]

Whats up suchanawesomekid,

Good thread. I don't know how it escaped me for so long. I'm 26 and I don't think I will ever consider myself an adult. I feel wierd when the kids I coach call me sir instead of coach. Mr. "Duke" is my dad as I tell people who refer to me as such.

Youth is so important here I think, because those of us (youngsters) who resonate w/ these messages need to help interperit (in a palletable way) the occult(hidden) info for our contemporaries who may find it hard to focus on.
Our contemporaries may not always be receptive to this and many will ridicule as I've found, but I've developed a pretty thick skin, and I won't stop asking them to ask questions.

I sympathize w/ you having become aware of these predicaments we (humanity) find ourselves in presently at a young age. I was well out of high school and halfway through college before I started to look into the occult. I realise how hard I might have had it if I had been trying to get my high school buddies to look into the same stuff. The tin foil hats would have been made for me in a hurry I think.

And refering to your screen name, who cares really what anyone decides to call themselves here, I certainly don't. I might be way off but I'm guessing that this name is something your parents or a mentor may have used w/ you.

The only thing that matters is the substance of what people write and how they communicate. Those things are many times more telling about any member than their screen name could possibly be.

For what it's worth, I think I'm awesome too. I think you're awesome and SoldierofTruth, ashton,Orion11,omnicentricity,Kevin, Deoxyan, etc...... I think humans are awesome in the strict definition of the word (expressive of awe). So in my opinion you have nothing to be ashamed of.

Originally Posted by Deoxyan

I don´t trust in kids who think of themselves as awesome, thats ridiculous; well, he thought, now he blames his ego, what a silly excuse, ok. And this particular kid is not awesome at all under my perspective.

That is a shame. You probably wouldn't trust me either then. What is your opinion of yourself I'm wondering?

Originally Posted by Deoxyan

do you really need to insult me more because i don´t want to have a discussion with you about my opinion?, you have to show respect, wich you lacked.

I've seen no lack of respect from anyone here except yourself.

Why provide your opinion if you are only going to refuse to discuss it?
Remember what Mom always said: "If you can't say something nice......."

I can only conclude that you wanted this member to feel badly. Am I wrong?

Why corrupt such a positive thread w/ such irrelevant negativity?

r

[raulduke]

(suchanawesomekid and all other positive posters: I'm sorry this thread was corrupted somewhat here, and I debated addressing Deoxyan at all. I'm sorry I did. I should have known that it would only elicit something silly like this. But I now feel/hope that it may be productive to address him once more. Fingers crossed.)

Originally Posted by Deoxyan

raul, dont invent logic arguments to just tell me to shut up in a politically correct manner because i dont agree with you, that´s retarded, yeah?.

I grow very tired of the members whose posts consist mainly of provocative one line red herrings like this one.

What logic argument?

I never told you to shut up politicly correctly or otherwise. Just the opposite actually. I asked you several questions which you aparently ignored, only to perpetuate your victim complex. No one is attacking you here. We are simply wondering what you were thinking when you posted your original opinion.

You must see that that sort of negativity is unproductive. I mean look at where we are now. You've stated that we don't agree, but have done nothing to address the matter. I truly wouldn't mind some extended dialogue from yourself here. If you could explain how you've arrived at your opinion and why you think it necessary to divert from the OP intention, in order to state that opinion, that would be helpfull.

As I said, I'll continue to respond civilly towards you, if you can speak to any of my previous questions.

Thanks in advance.

S

[raulduke]

Originally Posted by Deoxyan

Sorry i forgot to answer you because you put me in the negative party.

i don´t work on your frequency.

What i wonder is why you have to put me as a victim when i simply don´t agree on what you have said, the way you have said it. You know, we are extraterrestrial to each other, it seems.... so, pffff....


discussion ended.

That's about what I expected, I guess.

I had hoped for more though.

Oh well, I tried.

peace Deoxyan,
(I hope you find it.)

[pilgrim]

Deoxyan, I've something for ya!.., careful now.., it's contagious! in fact, here's another one

[SoldierOfTruth808]

I totally agree, I just cant understand why if someone knows full well that what they are saying is going to be recieved as negative, then why do they even bother to continue or defend themselves? We arent dumb, we dont want you to change youre opinion.... we just want to understand why you feel that way. We wanna know what would motivate you to take it this far? What frequency are we not operating on? Because it seems like more of us are operating on this frequency than whatever one youre on.

If you said you think hes arrogant because he talks very confidently and matter of fact like, I would have just replied that I thought he was excited about this frame of mind he has found. Were not looking at how much more we know than the other... Were just happy to know that there are others that know as much as we do... Thats exciting.

I dunno, maybe were at fault for misunderstanding his message. Maybe we just dont understand HIS frame of mind. Maybe us questioning his obviously antagonistic opinion is wrong, maybe we dont deserve an explaination of why he feels the need to proclaim that to all of us.

[Merlin]

Hey Lads an' lassies,

Lets get back to the topic at hand can we.
Whats in a name for crying out loud!
Kid, you are doing a fine job, F*ck em' if they don't like it.
Deoxyan if yer an' owl fella like your pic suggests, then I think you should know better.

Pilgrim!!! the lads in the pub were wonderin' where you went!
they think you've been abducted! Ha!

Merlin.

[Fun 4U Leader]

[QUOTE=Dean Plejaren;69619]Avalon Members.



So this is what I prepose.
*Working as a group rather than individually.
*Having a strong direct focus to achieve empowerment of the individual and their happiness.
*Waging war on anything that obstructs the previous and overcoming it.



Dean,
I like your zeal. A strong direct focus is an admiral trait for anyone.

But, do you seriously mean what you are saying, working as a group for individual happiness, waging war against anything that obstructs individual happiness? What you are asking for seems illogical to me.

The way I see it, your group is already too big because it already has you in it, and there is no room for anyone else. The key individual in your proposal is "YOU" which really means waging war against everybody else and using them to empower your happiness at their expense. Good for you, bad for them.

The simple fact that it is a group obstructs each individual and thus must war against itself. Sounds like total confusion to me.

Can you war against a mirror? You are linked to all that is around you and everything you see that you would war against reflects a part of what is inside you that is your battle only and no others. It is not what is happening around you but your response that is the test of your true self.

In any war, the unacceptable losses are always the moral ones. Look there for your greatest battles.

I may very well be wrong, but I believe you have it backwards. You should be waging war against your individual EGO and not against everything else that obstructs it. In that context, a group can help each individual's cause, but not what you purpose.

Don't get me wrong. I am not slamming you. I have been there, and back.

For the cause,

[Dean Plejaren]

Originally Posted by Fun 4U Leader

Dean,
I like your zeal. A strong direct focus is an admiral trait for anyone.

But, do you seriously mean what you are saying, working as a group for individual happiness, waging war against anything that obstructs individual happiness? What you are asking for seems illogical to me.

The way I see it, your group is already too big because it already has you in it, and there is no room for anyone else.

The key individual in your proposal is "YOU" which really means waging war against everybody else and using them to empower your happiness at their expense. Good for you, bad for them.

The simple fact that it is a group obstructs each individual and thus must war against itself. Sounds like total confusion to me.

Can you war against a mirror? You are linked to all that is around you and everything you see that you would war against reflects a part of what is inside you that is your battle only and no others. It is not what is happening around you but your response that is the test of your true self.

In any war, the unacceptable losses are always the moral ones. Look there for your greatest battles.

I may very well be wrong, but I believe you have it backwards. You should be waging war against your individual EGO and not against everything else that obstructs it. In that context, a group can help each individual's cause, but not what you purpose.

Don't get me wrong. I am not slamming you. I have been there, and back.

For the cause,

Interestingly everything you wrote about me. I stand for the opposite of that. No-one owns groups. I do not support ownership of groups. Second there is room for anyone because it's all about them being the leader of themself not about others controlling them. There is no key individual. The war is on what you just assumed about me haha. I'm not fighting people it's about helping them. It's good.

It's not designed to obstruct individuals it's designed to free them. It's about preventing conflict, not making conflict.

I don't know what you mean about unacceptable moral defeats. But it's about having integrity and knowing what works and what doesn't work.

Everyone has an ego but it does not have to be selfish or worthless. Healing and purifying your ego is preferable to trying to attack it.

You have what I stand for very mistaken. I don't know where you got those ideas from.

If the individual is not happy, how can another person be at their expense? That's an illusion. If something is bad for one person how can it be good for another? It is possible to empower the individual through the group and that is the point of a civilized society. What you are suggesting is I am the opposite of everything that is correct. If this is coming from society we know why society is backwards. It calls backwards forwards and forwards backwards.

Why did you twist everything I stood for? I don't understand your motive. You re-structured my entire purpose into something alien. You said you have been there and back. But it does not do anything and either way you have demonstrated we are on very different paths. Maybe the way I said it triggered all manner of misconceptions because of such vastly different experiences. No hard feelings we must be at very different places.

the article i put here is not really related to the topic indeed, i put it because someone mentioned kurt kobain - nirvana.

[Fun 4U Leader]

Originally Posted by Dean Plejaren

Interestingly everything you wrote about me. I stand for the opposite of that. No-one owns groups. I do not support ownership of groups. Second there is room for anyone because it's all about them being the leader of themself not about others controlling them. There is no key individual. The war is on what you just assumed about me haha. I'm not fighting people it's about helping them. It's good.

It's not designed to obstruct individuals it's designed to free them. It's about preventing conflict, not making conflict.

I don't know what you mean about unacceptable moral defeats. But it's about having integrity and knowing what works and what doesn't work.

Everyone has an ego but it does not have to be selfish or worthless. Healing and purifying your ego is preferable to trying to attack it.

You have what I stand for very mistaken. I don't know where you got those ideas from.

If the individual is not happy, how can another person be at their expense? That's an illusion. If something is bad for one person how can it be good for another? It is possible to empower the individual through the group and that is the point of a civilized society. What you are suggesting is I am the opposite of everything that is correct. If this is coming from society we know why society is backwards. It calls backwards forwards and forwards backwards.

Why did you twist everything I stood for? I don't understand your motive. You re-structured my entire purpose into something alien. You said you have been there and back. But it does not do anything and either way you have demonstrated we are on very different paths. Maybe the way I said it triggered all manner of misconceptions because of such vastly different experiences. No hard feelings we must be at very different places.

Dean,
I was hoping that I was mistaken and thanks for clarifying for me. I won't comment point by point because you are clear enough and I obviously misunderstood you.

I wish you well with the group but I must decline to join at this time. I need to look closer at your response and let it sink in for awhile.

The best to you and take care.

for the cause.

[Dean Plejaren]

Cheers I'm glad we have that cleared up. I wasn't sure of your motive I thought I my have to deal with an argument.

One more thing,
I'm not asking you to join anything there is nothing to join but the esoteric movement for Ascension. It's purely verbal and mutual agreements. None of this paper legislation identity represent me in court nonsense. No political parties. No dictatorships or cults. Just increasing acts of Utopia.

[dayzero]

Here's that Drunvalo Mechizadek video....

Let's just wait for the Hopi to write their book!


Nice.


x

[dayzero]

Awesomkid;

Drunvalo Melchizedek,

i just watched the CMN film of him, amazing.

Deoxyan: you really need a word with yourself.