September 30th - Goodbye - Page 2

arcora · 09-29-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Carol

Your victim stance does not serve you. If a warning was what you wished to give it would have better served Henry if it had been passed on in "private" PMs to Bill, Henry and the mods. Not in a public forum.

How am I taking a victim stance?

You continue to deride and belittle me. That should be apparent to anyone here. What I am unsure of is why you are playing the Monday morning quarterback game.

As I said before, I attempted to PM Admin but received no response. Why would I have continued on that tack?

You may opine all you like about what I should or should not have done. I thought carefully about the position I was placed in and followed a course of action that I feel was right.

If you disagree, that is your perogative. You are entitled to your opinions but please, stop harassing me on this.

09-30-2008, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by arcora

How am I taking a victim stance?

You continue to deride and belittle me. That should be apparent to anyone here. What I am unsure of is why you are playing the Monday morning quarterback game.

As I said before, I attempted to PM Admin but received no response. Why would I have continued on that tack?

You may opine all you like about what I should or should not have done. I thought carefully about the position I was placed in and followed a course of action that I feel was right.

If you disagree, that is your perogative. You are entitled to your opinions but please, stop harassing me on this.

I completely agree with this... Arcora is completely entitled to his opinion, which is based on very valid arguments (many in this thread are in agreement with Arcora). Anyone who disagrees, can state their disagreement and why. At this point its still a debate, but once a person starts judging another member in a negative light. Without having met them, or knowing anything about them... it is an attack, and becomes harassment when done repeatedly.

I personally am not impressed... and agree this should have been done in private.

rustanddust · 09-30-2008, 04:17 AM

"harrassment"? "deride and belittle"? please. quite the drama queen aren't we?

it seems like this has gone private already, this is nothing we need to keep up with.

mudra · 09-28-2008, 08:24 PM

Well spoken Unlimited mind

I'll add some more wisdom blowers below.

Life is a series of natural and spontaneous changes. Don't resist them-that only creates sorrow. Let reality be reality. Let things flow naturally forward in whatever way they like

Lao-Tse

He who knows much about others may be learned, but he who understands himself is more intelligent. He who controls others may be powerful, but he who has mastered himself is mightier still.

Humanity is under great pressure to evolve because it is our only chance of survival as a race. This will affect every aspect of your life and close relationships in particular. Never before have relationships been as problematic and conflict ridden as they are now. As you may continue to pursue the goal of salvation through a relationship, you will be disillusioned again and again. But if you accept that the relationship is here to make you conscious instead of happy, then the relationship will offer you salvation, and you will be aligning yourself with the higher consciousness that wants to be born into this world. For those who hold to the old patterns, there will be increasing pain, violence, confusion, and madness.

Eckhart Tolle

The word enlightenment conjures up the idea of some superhuman accomplishment, and the ego likes to keep it that way, but it is simply your natural state of felt oneness with Being. It is a state of connectedness with something immeasurable and indestructible, something that, almost paradoxically, is essentially you and yet is much greater than you. It is finding your true nature beyond name and form.

Eckhart Tolle

Kindness

Chris Parson · 09-28-2008, 10:56 PM

really bad vibe on this forum lately.

09-28-2008, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Parson

really bad vibe on this forum lately.

yup... like breathing really heavy air. Maybe its doing a cleansing.

P.S. Theresa, thank you for putting things into perspective. Your words are always well chosen, and in tact.

clarkkent · 09-28-2008, 01:25 PM

the boards have definitely changed in tone with the absence of witnesses and less bill and kerry involvement.

i created a thread for people not necessarily moving to the mountains or radiant zones. i believe most people wont be capable of going to the few places deemed survivable.

im not a proponent of wishing for love is a fix all. i just wanted people to be able to discuss the reality of not moving to ecuador or buying a years worth of food and survival gear.

i DID notice things on the board were mostly survival based or "xyz is IMMINENT" -look many things are possible, thats why i question some contactees or whistleblowers whos main message is the same as the evening news--"xyz can kill you" "you might die...if.."

i have a hard time accepting that the most enlightened beings in the universe's main point is that we are for the most part doomed, well thanks i didnt need aliens to tell me humans are out of balance and self destructive as a species.

i found by creating that thread there were a lot of people who felt similiar.
henry deacon's quotes seem to back up what i feel is right. ---focusing on the absolute worst case scenarios just increases their likely hood, i gather he is a pretty intelligent scientist and he seemed to think earth had many many timelines/possibilites as most quantum scientists believe.

if the observer conscioussness has that great an effect on reality, then what you EXPECT to see is generally what happens, just like when scientists used the particle/wave experiment and found that the observer changed the phenomena based on what the observer expected.

80% of the people on the boards expect cataclysmic earth changes as an absolute fact, when the reality is your right we DONT know, so theres no reason to will that timeline into existance.

and IF it does happen, and im not in a radiant zone, then that is what was supposed to happen to most of us, the elite have this same fear/survival based conscioussness and their own "radiant" zones underground, has anyone brought up, that if you exist in this fear based mode you might have to come back in this 3D world a bunch more times to learn to get beyond that? and that the only reason 1% of the planets population is ruled so effectively is exactly because they can count on people to be ruled by fear/survival.

you take their power away the minute they cant dictate your life by fear.
your conscioussness is more important than your 3D vehicle. this is not to say that i dont value others lives and want to treat all life with respect and balance and harmony, im just talking about taking off the yoke of fear that has enslaved us so long.

-kyle

JohnWdoe · 09-28-2008, 01:30 PM

I find myself flip flopping on subjects simply because i don't want to offend anyone within Ascension of Metaphysical concepts - which to me is not right.

You are absolutely true about mixing up wisdom and truth for i have found the exact same concepts and took a step back. I was meditating and sending the up most good vibes as far and wide possible but to no avail. When i see someone in a particular frame of mind i can either understand it from my personal experience OR learn about it. Learning to me is a Philosophy and to this day i think all you Ascension seekers should seek Philosophy to nourish that desire.

An addiction has blossomed and it speaks Spirituality before all else.

09-28-2008, 01:56 PM

***Listen Up Guys***

As far as I'm aware the forum will not be going subscription only on 1st October!

I have no idea where this came from, but will check with Bill as soon as he is available

Kahunamahalo · 09-28-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Colin L Falcon

***Listen Up Guys***

As far as I'm aware the forum will not be going subscription only on 1st October!

I have no idea where this came from, but will check with Bill as soon as he is available

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=306

clarkkent · 09-28-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnWdoe

To quote Kyle'

"your conscioussness (consciousness) is more important than your 3D vehicle.

Now this is honestly nothing more then new age conformity which is scary... Your body is in exact equal measurement to that of the mind, the mind cannot exist without your body and i think you need to understand that.

Your body is more then a vehicle or a god awful "container" (which i might add is used to teach disconnection from Synaptical thought leaving you feeling not alive and at the mercy of suicide or no fear of death) It is an absolutely scary thought when Astral projection and oneness can disconnect man from reality and make him believe his mind is more worthy then his body as you so stated above... How many Black magicians have used this concept of Reincarnation to manipulate people into dying and never fighting back? because in the end your not willing to strike the swine where he stands.

Philosophy i urge, as always.

i think you misunderstand, i never said "mind" i said "consciousness", which exists separately from your mind, the mind doesnt "create" consciousness its "biological computer" in order for consciousness to interact in the holgraphic 3 dimesional reality. this is physics and science, not "new age conformity"

look into some books about quantum mechanics and the nature of reality.
clearly your body is important, and if blackwater para military people come to round people up, ill certainly avoid them.
your here to experience whatever you experience and evolve from your experience. if there were no challenges to physical existence we wouldnt evolve both physically and spiritually.

what im saying is try and understand the nature of YOU and YOUR reality and what lessons you can learn while your here. not fearing death just means your not easily controlled by fear, it doesnt mean you jump off a building. free will means you have choice even if you think you dont- you do.
you can be negative or positve both have value- personally i want to be in harmony with others and the environament, thats my choice. unfortunatley the people who choose negativity have great power because of our very fear of death and only living in survival.

wars would stop instantly if everyone were to realize this and realize each of us has the power to do EXACTLY what we choose. no one can make you kill another person, its your belief that "they" can, so in fact "they" do because you give them the power to do so- its just as easily the other way around.

if someone said you have to join the army or youll be shot, then i would say "too bad im not joining" then whoever was supposed to shoot me has to make a choice to do so, and most likely he would only do so for fear of harm or death himself- its not that he wants to.

everyone is taking orders all the way up the line.
it stops when YOU dont follow orders. this is the big secret the few have ruled the many since we stopped being small tribes and became "civilized"

no one is going to make me kill another, thats why i think "aware" people who talk about heading to the hills and buying guns arent "aware" of anything, theyre just a little ahead of the curve on current events.

this isnt new age pseudo science mumbo jumbo, this is common sense and i dont need an alien or a new age guru to figure this out.

-kyle

JohnWdoe · 09-28-2008, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by clarkkent

i think you misunderstand, i never said "mind" i said "consciousness", which exists separately from your mind, the mind doesnt "create" consciousness its "biological computer" in order for consciousness to interact in the holgraphic 3 dimesional reality. this is physics and science, not "new age conformity"

look into some books about quantum mechanics and the nature of reality.
clearly your body is important, and if blackwater para military people come to round people up, ill certainly avoid them.
your here to experience whatever you experience and evolve from your experience. if there were no challenges to physical existence we wouldnt evolve both physically and spiritually.

what im saying is try and understand the nature of YOU and YOUR reality and what lessons you can learn while your here. not fearing death just means your not easily controlled by fear, it doesnt mean you jump off a building. free will means you have choice even if you think you dont- you do.
you can be negative or positve both have value- personally i want to be in harmony with others and the environament, thats my choice. unfortunatley the people who choose negativity have great power because of our very fear of death and only living in survival.

wars would stop instantly if everyone were to realize this and realize each of us has the power to do EXACTLY what we choose. no one can make you kill another person, its your belief that "they" can, so in fact "they" do because you give them the power to do so- its just as easily the other way around.

if someone said you have to join the army or youll be shot, then i would say "too bad im not joining" then whoever was supposed to shoot me has to make a choice to do so, and most likely he would only do so for fear of harm or death himself- its not that he wants to.

everyone is taking orders all the way up the line.
it stops when YOU dont follow orders. this is the big secret the few have ruled the many since we stopped being small tribes and became "civilized"

no one is going to make me kill another, thats why i think "aware" people who talk about heading to the hills and buying guns arent "aware" of anything, theyre just a little ahead of the curve on current events.

this isnt new age pseudo science mumbo jumbo, this is common sense and i dont need an alien or a new age guru to figure this out.

-kyle

"this isnt new age pseudo science mumbo jumbo, this is common sense and i dont need an alien or a new age guru to figure this out."

Thank you

now your using Philosophy my friend! Thats what it all about aside the Politics and Spirituality - why we do stuff.

Everyone here at Avalon are the type of people i could thrive and be comfortable around, Zorgon i give you nods here for your great research and Exchanger i say thank you for the kind Spiritual words all and all we have some interesting people here who desire a change.

I have seen ALOT of good people around here to name a few -arcora, EYES WIDE OPEN, ForsakenFalcon, King Lear, P4BL0, QUESTINY, those are some i can actually remember but heck its impossible to name you all! you all have gave me a little piece of the puzzle, so for that i say thank you and mostly offer personal advice when someones in the dirt.

Sometimes i would rather talk to people about THEM rather then the subject at hand so it can leave me looking out of the picture, which i exactly like.

Im just here to offer advice to you all. You guys do rock!

sfth13 · 09-28-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kahunamahalo

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=306

From the link you posted is states $5 per month or a dicount at $30 per year. If all members pay the $30 and there is supposed to be 3314 members, thats $99,420 per year. I have never run a forum but I didn't know it cost this much to run amd maintain.

Kahunamahalo · 09-28-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sfth13

From the link you posted is states $5 per month or a dicount at $30 per year. If all members pay the $30 and there is supposed to be 3314 members, thats $99,420 per year. I have never run a forum but I didn't know it cost this much to run amd maintain.

This is a damn expensive forum then. Perhaps it's a bailout?

Chris Parson · 09-28-2008, 05:31 PM

well it was cool while it lasted

made some important connections and gained some valuable insights

i'll have fond memories of project avalon

eurosceptic · 09-28-2008, 05:54 PM

Well I possibly tend to agree - I'd not like to think I'm part of a cosmic back slapping and we can get swept up in 'ideologies'.

As Miriam Delicado says, we have to look at the people that come forward and decide for oursleves.

I personally find the forum time consuming and still a tad 'sludgy' there's nothing yet really here that I have not read or seen before, though there is some brilliant stuff on here and it is up to date. You can connect with some knowledgeable people and also get answers and info or at least links which saves a lot of net research time.

The forum is like a tool, if you use it corectly you will get a great deal of usefullness from interacting directly here. If not or its not for you then fair enough - make the space available for other people. I certainly don't think its something to be taken lightly and though humour is good!

Avalon member Artemis expereinces are amazing to read about for (just one) example.

I guess it is how you use the thing and I personally want stay a tad longer before heading to pastures new!

As David Icke used to approximatley say, "off the earth airy fairy words used in so-called spirituality are never going help the planet or it's people, practical steps need to be taken with feet on the ground also, a balance..."

Having said that I have made some great contacts which has even helped my work though I still believe any peace of mind or 'answer' I want about the planetary situation and understanding can be drawn from my own internal resource in conjunction with other infos etc.

Yes it is probably a good place for people to explore and quench the thirst for information and knowledge and It beats MTV or soaps!

I also am not sure that grandstanding the opinons and reasons of why you leave a place is needed!!

Just leave quitetly and don't slam the door!
OR maybe its symptamatic of the MTV XBOX generation who want people to notice them!?

doodah · 09-28-2008, 05:53 PM

It seems to me that many people never understood the proper role of the Witnesses, and that they are gone does not surprise me. What surprised me is that they ever agreed to even BE here. That was very risky, knowing what the net can be, even here, obviously. These are people who PUT THEMSELVES ON THE LINE, possibly endangering their lives ... and this forum did not respect that. Why is it so difficult to understand that the whole idea of them being here might have been a mistake from the beginning, and that it has come to its logical end?

I felt sorry for them ...

Metaphysics/quantum physics. These two get closer together every day. There is "truth" and there is "truth." Our reality is like silly putty, to be shaped as we will and we do have the free will to choose how we will shape it, if only in the smallest ways, to the extent of our understanding.

There is the story about the two wolves, one friendly and one vicious. When the young boy asks the grandfather which of the wolves will be there in the end, he answers, "The one you feed."

Feed fear. Feed love. It's a choice, and it will have consequences. If we love and care for this planet and all the lifeforms on it, I do not see any other choice than to practice love. Don't be stupid, but practice love. And if it's true about interdimensional beings controlling the Illuminati who control this world, then, sort of like praying just in case, it might be better to hedge your bets on the side of love and send some bright white light into that dimension where they are. Apparently they really don't like that, like cockroaches.

If that is too great a leap for you, too imaginary ... and you also don't believe the metaphysical /quantum concept that imagination (thought, visualization) is the strongest gift we have ... choose love for another reason, but it is very important that we choose love and ACT it.

QUESTINY · 09-29-2008, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by doodah

These are people who PUT THEMSELVES ON THE LINE, possibly endangering their lives ... and this forum did not respect that.

Thank you for making this comment. Whistleblowers and insiders attempted to reach out to people and assist in the understanding of what's going on. Many tried to share and learn from each other. Many important thoughts and threads where shut down in the name of "positive thinking only."

I to have stopped with the information sharing.

I thank Bill and Kerry for all their hard work and I urge them to not censor the information they are receiving. It is up to the INDIVIDUAL to determine how to process the information. You are doing a disservice to those who follow your work to deny them the information. I beg of you to trust in the spiritual matureness of your members and not treat them like children by holding back crucial information. The information that has been shared and what was to be shared is neither positive nor negative. The individual has the right to decide that. I say this with great respect for both of you. Bless you and thank you.

Zarathustra · 09-29-2008, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by QUESTINY

Thank you for making this comment. Whistleblowers and insiders attempted to reach out to people and assist in the understanding of what's going on. Many tried to share and learn from each other. Many important thoughts and threads where shut down in the name of "positive thinking only."

I to have stopped with the information sharing.

I thank Bill and Kerry for all their hard work and I urge them to not censor the information they are receiving. It is up to the INDIVIDUAL to determine how to process the information. You are doing a disservice to those who follow your work to deny them the information. I beg of you to trust in the spiritual matureness of your members and not treat them like children by holding back crucial information. The information that has been shared and what was to be shared is neither positive nor negative. The individual has the right to decide that. I say this with great respect for both of you. Bless you and thank you.

I second.

Carol · 09-29-2008, 12:58 AM

I think we need to look at the facts here and stop making assumptions. One or two of the more assertive insiders were confronting other insiders that led to conflicted hurt feelings between them. That is what happened. Henry told me so himself. I suspect they will all return once things settle down and we have a new "protection" system in place where all posts to the insiders are read ahead of time by a moderator to check for inflamatory remarks and/or insulting language prior to the PM sent onto the person it is intended for.

Although some of the insiders forums are empty, the information was save. If they choose to put their information back up we have it for them to do so.

Meanwhile, all important info is being gathered by our research crew to go into new topic areas and will be made avialable to everyone in a few weeks. The diamonds are currently being sorted out from the sand.

Lots of work is going on behind the scenes and we are working as fast as we can because of how important it is for folks to have this information available to them.

Carol · 09-29-2008, 01:15 AM

I don't know if this is politically corrent or not but it cracked me up.

Chris Parson · 09-29-2008, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Carol

I don't know if this is politically corrent or not but it cracked me up.

fulford didn't say they would be feline!

09-29-2008, 01:34 AM

Questiny quote: I thank Bill and Kerry for all their hard work and I urge them to not censor the information they are receiving. It is up to the INDIVIDUAL to determine how to process the information. You are doing a disservice to those who follow your work to deny them the information. I beg of you to trust in the spiritual matureness of your members and not treat them like children by holding back crucial information.

Could you explain this if you would Questiny please.

QUESTINY · 09-29-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuza

Questiny quote: I thank Bill and Kerry for all their hard work and I urge them to not censor the information they are receiving. It is up to the INDIVIDUAL to determine how to process the information. You are doing a disservice to those who follow your work to deny them the information. I beg of you to trust in the spiritual matureness of your members and not treat them like children by holding back crucial information.

Could you explain this if you would Questiny please.

For the record, I am neither an insider or whistleblower. I am encouraging Bill and Kerry to release any information that they have verified through multiple reliable sources no matter how dire it may appear.

09-29-2008, 01:17 AM

Questiny, I would like to know if that is okay what you mean by Kerry and Bill holding back crucial information to the members. Thank you.

09-30-2008, 04:17 AM	#3
rustanddust Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 187	Re: September 30th - Goodbye "harrassment"? "deride and belittle"? please. quite the drama queen aren't we? it seems like this has gone private already, this is nothing we need to keep up with. Last edited by rustanddust; 09-30-2008 at 04:20 AM.

09-28-2008, 08:24 PM	#4
mudra Avalon Spiritual Mother Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: belgium Posts: 4,919	Re: September 30th - Goodbye Well spoken Unlimited mind I'll add some more wisdom blowers below. Life is a series of natural and spontaneous changes. Don't resist them-that only creates sorrow. Let reality be reality. Let things flow naturally forward in whatever way they like Lao-Tse He who knows much about others may be learned, but he who understands himself is more intelligent. He who controls others may be powerful, but he who has mastered himself is mightier still. Humanity is under great pressure to evolve because it is our only chance of survival as a race. This will affect every aspect of your life and close relationships in particular. Never before have relationships been as problematic and conflict ridden as they are now. As you may continue to pursue the goal of salvation through a relationship, you will be disillusioned again and again. But if you accept that the relationship is here to make you conscious instead of happy, then the relationship will offer you salvation, and you will be aligning yourself with the higher consciousness that wants to be born into this world. For those who hold to the old patterns, there will be increasing pain, violence, confusion, and madness. Eckhart Tolle The word enlightenment conjures up the idea of some superhuman accomplishment, and the ego likes to keep it that way, but it is simply your natural state of felt oneness with Being. It is a state of connectedness with something immeasurable and indestructible, something that, almost paradoxically, is essentially you and yet is much greater than you. It is finding your true nature beyond name and form. Eckhart Tolle Kindness

09-28-2008, 10:56 PM	#5
Chris Parson Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Austin Posts: 165	Re: September 30th - Goodbye really bad vibe on this forum lately.

09-28-2008, 01:25 PM	#7
clarkkent Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 319	Re: September 30th - Goodbye the boards have definitely changed in tone with the absence of witnesses and less bill and kerry involvement. i created a thread for people not necessarily moving to the mountains or radiant zones. i believe most people wont be capable of going to the few places deemed survivable. im not a proponent of wishing for love is a fix all. i just wanted people to be able to discuss the reality of not moving to ecuador or buying a years worth of food and survival gear. i DID notice things on the board were mostly survival based or "xyz is IMMINENT" -look many things are possible, thats why i question some contactees or whistleblowers whos main message is the same as the evening news--"xyz can kill you" "you might die...if.." i have a hard time accepting that the most enlightened beings in the universe's main point is that we are for the most part doomed, well thanks i didnt need aliens to tell me humans are out of balance and self destructive as a species. i found by creating that thread there were a lot of people who felt similiar. henry deacon's quotes seem to back up what i feel is right. ---focusing on the absolute worst case scenarios just increases their likely hood, i gather he is a pretty intelligent scientist and he seemed to think earth had many many timelines/possibilites as most quantum scientists believe. if the observer conscioussness has that great an effect on reality, then what you EXPECT to see is generally what happens, just like when scientists used the particle/wave experiment and found that the observer changed the phenomena based on what the observer expected. 80% of the people on the boards expect cataclysmic earth changes as an absolute fact, when the reality is your right we DONT know, so theres no reason to will that timeline into existance. and IF it does happen, and im not in a radiant zone, then that is what was supposed to happen to most of us, the elite have this same fear/survival based conscioussness and their own "radiant" zones underground, has anyone brought up, that if you exist in this fear based mode you might have to come back in this 3D world a bunch more times to learn to get beyond that? and that the only reason 1% of the planets population is ruled so effectively is exactly because they can count on people to be ruled by fear/survival. you take their power away the minute they cant dictate your life by fear. your conscioussness is more important than your 3D vehicle. this is not to say that i dont value others lives and want to treat all life with respect and balance and harmony, im just talking about taking off the yoke of fear that has enslaved us so long. -kyle

09-28-2008, 01:30 PM	#8
JohnWdoe Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 191	Re: September 30th - Goodbye I find myself flip flopping on subjects simply because i don't want to offend anyone within Ascension of Metaphysical concepts - which to me is not right. You are absolutely true about mixing up wisdom and truth for i have found the exact same concepts and took a step back. I was meditating and sending the up most good vibes as far and wide possible but to no avail. When i see someone in a particular frame of mind i can either understand it from my personal experience OR learn about it. Learning to me is a Philosophy and to this day i think all you Ascension seekers should seek Philosophy to nourish that desire. An addiction has blossomed and it speaks Spirituality before all else.

09-28-2008, 01:56 PM	#9
Colin Guest Posts: n/a	Re: September 30th - Goodbye *Listen Up Guys* As far as I'm aware the forum will not be going subscription only on 1st October! I have no idea where this came from, but will check with Bill as soon as he is available

09-28-2008, 05:31 PM	#15
Chris Parson Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Austin Posts: 165	Re: September 30th - Goodbye well it was cool while it lasted made some important connections and gained some valuable insights i'll have fond memories of project avalon

09-28-2008, 05:54 PM	#16
eurosceptic Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Flatlands of Eastern England Posts: 226	Re: September 30th - Goodbye Well I possibly tend to agree - I'd not like to think I'm part of a cosmic back slapping and we can get swept up in 'ideologies'. As Miriam Delicado says, we have to look at the people that come forward and decide for oursleves. I personally find the forum time consuming and still a tad 'sludgy' there's nothing yet really here that I have not read or seen before, though there is some brilliant stuff on here and it is up to date. You can connect with some knowledgeable people and also get answers and info or at least links which saves a lot of net research time. The forum is like a tool, if you use it corectly you will get a great deal of usefullness from interacting directly here. If not or its not for you then fair enough - make the space available for other people. I certainly don't think its something to be taken lightly and though humour is good! Avalon member Artemis expereinces are amazing to read about for (just one) example. I guess it is how you use the thing and I personally want stay a tad longer before heading to pastures new! As David Icke used to approximatley say, "off the earth airy fairy words used in so-called spirituality are never going help the planet or it's people, practical steps need to be taken with feet on the ground also, a balance..." Having said that I have made some great contacts which has even helped my work though I still believe any peace of mind or 'answer' I want about the planetary situation and understanding can be drawn from my own internal resource in conjunction with other infos etc. Yes it is probably a good place for people to explore and quench the thirst for information and knowledge and It beats MTV or soaps! I also am not sure that grandstanding the opinons and reasons of why you leave a place is needed!! Just leave quitetly and don't slam the door! OR maybe its symptamatic of the MTV XBOX generation who want people to notice them!? Last edited by eurosceptic; 09-28-2008 at 11:28 PM.

09-28-2008, 05:53 PM	#17
doodah Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 373	Re: September 30th - Goodbye It seems to me that many people never understood the proper role of the Witnesses, and that they are gone does not surprise me. What surprised me is that they ever agreed to even BE here. That was very risky, knowing what the net can be, even here, obviously. These are people who PUT THEMSELVES ON THE LINE, possibly endangering their lives ... and this forum did not respect that. Why is it so difficult to understand that the whole idea of them being here might have been a mistake from the beginning, and that it has come to its logical end? I felt sorry for them ... Metaphysics/quantum physics. These two get closer together every day. There is "truth" and there is "truth." Our reality is like silly putty, to be shaped as we will and we do have the free will to choose how we will shape it, if only in the smallest ways, to the extent of our understanding. There is the story about the two wolves, one friendly and one vicious. When the young boy asks the grandfather which of the wolves will be there in the end, he answers, "The one you feed." Feed fear. Feed love. It's a choice, and it will have consequences. If we love and care for this planet and all the lifeforms on it, I do not see any other choice than to practice love. Don't be stupid, but practice love. And if it's true about interdimensional beings controlling the Illuminati who control this world, then, sort of like praying just in case, it might be better to hedge your bets on the side of love and send some bright white light into that dimension where they are. Apparently they really don't like that, like cockroaches. If that is too great a leap for you, too imaginary ... and you also don't believe the metaphysical /quantum concept that imagination (thought, visualization) is the strongest gift we have ... choose love for another reason, but it is very important that we choose love and ACT it. Last edited by doodah; 09-28-2008 at 06:00 PM.

09-29-2008, 12:58 AM	#20
Carol Project Avalon Hero Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Big Island, Hawaii Posts: 2,008	Re: September 30th - Goodbye I think we need to look at the facts here and stop making assumptions. One or two of the more assertive insiders were confronting other insiders that led to conflicted hurt feelings between them. That is what happened. Henry told me so himself. I suspect they will all return once things settle down and we have a new "protection" system in place where all posts to the insiders are read ahead of time by a moderator to check for inflamatory remarks and/or insulting language prior to the PM sent onto the person it is intended for. Although some of the insiders forums are empty, the information was save. If they choose to put their information back up we have it for them to do so. Meanwhile, all important info is being gathered by our research crew to go into new topic areas and will be made avialable to everyone in a few weeks. The diamonds are currently being sorted out from the sand. Lots of work is going on behind the scenes and we are working as fast as we can because of how important it is for folks to have this information available to them. __________________ Aloha, thank you, do jeh, toda, arigato, merci, grazie, salamat po, gracias, tack, sukria, danke schoen, kiitos, dank u, mahalo nui loa Images to nourish the spirit: http://mistsofavalon.invisionplus.ne...&showtopic=198

09-29-2008, 01:15 AM	#21
Carol Project Avalon Hero Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Big Island, Hawaii Posts: 2,008	Re: September 30th - Goodbye I don't know if this is politically corrent or not but it cracked me up. __________________ Aloha, thank you, do jeh, toda, arigato, merci, grazie, salamat po, gracias, tack, sukria, danke schoen, kiitos, dank u, mahalo nui loa Images to nourish the spirit: http://mistsofavalon.invisionplus.ne...&showtopic=198 Last edited by Carol; 09-29-2008 at 01:17 AM.

09-29-2008, 01:34 AM	#23
Tuza Guest Posts: n/a	Re: September 30th - Goodbye Questiny quote: I thank Bill and Kerry for all their hard work and I urge them to not censor the information they are receiving. It is up to the INDIVIDUAL to determine how to process the information. You are doing a disservice to those who follow your work to deny them the information. I beg of you to trust in the spiritual matureness of your members and not treat them like children by holding back crucial information. Could you explain this if you would Questiny please.

09-29-2008, 01:17 AM	#25
Tuza Guest Posts: n/a	Re: September 30th - Goodbye Questiny, I would like to know if that is okay what you mean by Kerry and Bill holding back crucial information to the members. Thank you.