What was Jesus then?

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by abraxasinas

Hi All!

This message engages the wordings of another initiate, who has posted on this thread. I shall 'colour in' the discourses of Richard T., when so appropriate. Most of the time, Richard T. aka DRACHIR T. {the German word for Dragon translates as DRACHE} presents hisher information very well and requires little input from myself.

If anyone wishes clarification on the meanings of the statements of Richard T., then I shall answer accordingly.


Continued from #107:

Originally Posted by Richard T
5)Hello Vorian.

I ask if I make sense to insure the door is opened to opposition. Otherwise, it would be like saying that it is so and you must learn from me.

There is a universal law that says that it is impossible to be intelligent alone. Communication is to allow people recognize they can access intelligence. Unfortunately, people use communication to prove they are intelligent, or to question and seek intelligence in others.

Technically, we should learn from what we say. When I say something, I should be learning something. And this is possible if we realize that we access intelligence rather than think we are intelligent.

And if we do not believe what we say, we ask others to validate through their own access to intelligence.

Sometimes, I wonder if what I say is helpful or if it actually mixes people up.

How is the weather down there?

Cheers.

6)Originally Posted by Richard T
Earth consciousness is currently under the laws of domination. It will be in the hand of another origin in the next evolution, but that will not
happen before the end of this cycle.


Originally Posted by Vorian's Revenge
Perhaps I was under the impression that both are in store for evolution. And that they would happen together.


There will be a change in vibration of the planet that will coincide with the reversal of its polarity. Astral energies come to the planet by the North pole. As do solar particles that create the aurora borealis effect. This reversal will push those energies away while accepting energies of another order altogether that have nothing to do with the history of humanity.

Abraxasinas: This poleshift will occur in a multidimensional manner. Should the magnetic polarities reverse and stabilize, then the entire electromagnetic structure of the planet would become disfunctional.
So the magnetic polarity shift in 4D Minkowski Spacetime will be accompanied by a 5D Kaluza-Klein 'polarity' shift at the center of the earth.
This latter occurrence allows the 4D spacetime metric of Gaia to become gravitationally collapsed to a golfball sized Black Hole WITHOUT affecting its lower-D manifestation as say a planet with a perimeter of about 40,000 kilometers.

Following this gravitational collapse of the Earth in Hyperspace will be a 'turning inside out' of the golfball sized Black Hole.
The Black Hole will contain the entire history of the Gaian evolution history in a datastreamed form; say as scifictionalized in Star Trek - The Motion Picture in the V(o)yger data collector.
This movie was authorized and channelled from Thuban by the way.

The Black Hole data absorption/concentration will then become a data emitter, rendering the Black Hole Sink in Hyperspace as a White Hole Data Source in Hyperspace and transmitting the absornbed data of the Gaian- and Humanoid history back out into the universe and its trigger Hunab Ku aka the Sagittarius A* RadioQuasar aka the Galactic Center of the Milky Way.
From then on the HUMAN EXPERIENCE will become 'common property' for all ET races and civilizations as a contextual background HOW NOT TO BE a Galactic Civilization.

The Black Hole - White Hole wormhol tunneling will the rereverse the magnetic polarity shift and the electromagnetic viability of Gai will become reset.


Evolution is perhaps not what we tend to think, since we think mechanically based on our history and that we project our own psychological understanding onto intelligences and systems that do not evolve psychologically, such as the Earth. The Earth will rise in vibration because of the energy that will be at the base of man's evolution. And that energy comes from the source of the consciousness of man, that is not god, but that is an energy that is radiated by each individual's source, these radiations being called rays of creation by some.

7)Originally Posted by Vorian's Revenge Are you a finaliter?
If so, and if you don't mind me asking, when do you experiance your fusion flash?

Hi there

Fusion flash, as you call it, only happens for the greatest descending initiates, such as Bernard.

Abraxasinas: Bernard (James of the Wingmakers is another) is another human graduate and on the highest level of human incarnation preceding Dragonhood.

They create the living proof of their words.

Luckily, we don't have to live this absolute torture in such a massive dose, and fusion for the ascending consciousness is a progressive process.

You will notice that I am careful to what I answer when I reply to questions of a personal nature.
Here is why
There is a universal law by which when a person says something, makes a statement using the 'I', events are automatically created to test the reality behind the words.

So, if I say "I would do this or that if this or that happened" you risk being tested in time. Best is not to brag, and really be certain, without any possibility of a doubt, that what is said, is.

Those events become part of the solar initiation of the individual, where he is tested against any and all forms of psychological failure.

Man cannot decide if and when he is contacted from inside.

It is his cosmic counterpart who initiates the movement.

Abraxasinas: Yes, this is the adjuster aka the 'Higher Self' aka the superconscious self coupled to the Christ-Consciousness.

But they find it extremely difficult to communicate with the mortal because of the huge amount of memories, because of the density of astral energy, because of the insecurity of the ego and of his spirituality, and mostly because of the personalization of the reflective process.

The ego must then prepare himself by starting to pay attention.

Abraxasinas: TThis is the Christmas Wish of Thuban.

And paying attention requires him to be aware that all the artifacts that are part of his planetary consciousness are a game to steer his evolution.

This brings him to depersonalized the impressions that result from the experience over time, according to his capacity to support the loss of his false identity, that comes often with the loss of the impression of control over his life, and that has the tendency to create an impression of failure in the ego.

And the ego must realize faith in his reality and know that he is not failing, but that work is being done to increase his vibration.

The less he is impressed psychologically by the experience, the less he implicates himself in the experience, the more the experience can be increased in dosage and the more he is bombarded by thoughts, fears, and soul pulsations, who seek to bring him back to instinctual behavior.

All is a question of internal strength and all is a question of not believing, of not taking one's life seriously, but rather to be serious about it.

Some people cannot watch a movie without being traumatized.

How will they fare when the world collapse around them?

And this is where it comes together.

Man must learn to not be impressionable. Then, as he does his part, he allows the other side to do its part.

Abraxasinas: Many on this forum and thread would be well adviced to take this to heart.


But they do their part on their time, and we must use our time effectively.

As for where we are, we always are where we are supposed to be. But they just don't tell us always.

The only reason why man does not know his future is because he would not accept it, he would feel that life is not worth being lived, and it is extremely important to those forces that man lives the life he is meant to live, until the work is done.

Does this help at all?

Richard

Abraxasinas: One can discern in expectation Drachir TKB.

AA

[Jonah]

Originally Posted by abraxasinas

All higher dimensionalities utilize the unified polarities as internal processor to allow galactic and extragalctic experience to function WITHIN a context of a Harmonized Duality.[/B][/I][/I]

When man has a consciousness that is morontial, he will have a vehicle that won't allow him to simply travel the astral plane but a unique vehicle that will allow him to travel as a consciousness to all the worlds from his origin to the ethers and access levels of science that cannot be imagined and cannot be accessed even by those races that visit us today.

Abraxasinas: Imagine and analyse the scriptural evidence of the 'Resurrected Logos' and you may be able to evisage what your 'new morontial' lightbody will entail as a higherD merkabah kerneled by your present physical temples.

Abrax,

So this means man will become the above and the below...


Fathoming such a science would be a unique quality indeed... although I can't help but wonder-

What mysteries are left for such a consciousness?... surely it must contemplate its loneliness..

[4Q529]

Originally Posted by Céline

IMHO

Jesus was a Man who knew the truth...and he had to be silenced...

PS: nice to read your perspective on this threads question abraxas

Well, to me, it is important to specify the Truth that Jesus knew which so infuriated the Jewish religious 'authorities'; that Truth being that he taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth', whereas the Sadducees denied the "resurrection" altogether, and the Pharisees disinterpreted it as the doctrine of the physical raising of a dead body from the grave; a doctrine which was then introduced by the Pharisee, Paul, as one of the fundamental doctrines of Christian theology; subsequently osmosing into Islamic theology in contradiction of the Teaching of Mohammed about the Revelation and Doctrine of "resurrection".

[stefaan]

Originally Posted by Jma

Was any of you born of a virgin birth?

I don't want to go into discussion, but...
The virgin birth idea was very common in those days.
Mithras was said to be born of a virgin mother.
Dionysus was... and you can find dozens of them.
Here you find a list

Virgin can be interpreted in many ways.

[Frank Samuel]

Stefan you are very wise.. symbolism is part of the secret code of the bible.
Practical questions leads to logical answers.
Thanks Stefan.

[Jonah]

Mr. T,

Is it that perhaps the Nazareen talk about ascension when referring to his father?

[Richard T]

Hello Vorian's Revenge. Here is what I see in relation to this question.

There are two movements of the energy related to this.

Descending energy and ascending energy.

The bulk of individuals experimenting within a material shell are associated to ascending energy. Rare instances of avatars of descending energy appear, from time to time, to establish adjustment conditions that change the direction of a consciousness limited by the condition of the experience.

An ascending condition results from a cpntrol of information at a point located between the materialized entity and the universal origin of that same entity, located outside of space, in a location in time.

The filtering of information has for purpose the maintenance of consciousness in a lesser realm. If it was not done this way, no consciousness would accept to remain in action and in essence in the gross material field of dense energy.

The intelligences thus invested in material works are used to increase the level of science of the energy on this outer plane, the material plane,

These intelligences are organized in legions, or hierarchies, according to the universal status of the filter intelligence that allows information to be transferred to the material brain, allowing for various levels of sciences as they are recorded in universal archives.

The ability to travel in the world of those archives being dependant on the universal status of the universal source of that individual materialized intelligence.

Every materialized intelligence is linked to a unique universal source that is perfect in its essence. Yet, every ascending intelligence, invested by the source within the material plane is limited by the intermediary, some sort of cosmic ego, who adjusts the energy to the works required in the material plane.

A descemding order of intelligences is an order that has not segregated a fraction of its energy into a permanent materialized terminal. This means that when such an intelligence descends by incarnation, it retains its right to know absolutely within the time of the source.

These intelligences are the great initiates of the various epochs who had instantaneous access to universal science and carried the power of the verb, which is the science of the sound over atomic consciousness.

But they are not ascending, in the sense that they have no pact with ascending energy, but only have an agenda in relation with worlds in ascension.

Ascention means that the universal intelligence at the source of life and consciousness of the intelligence invested in matter wants to recuperate the fruit of its creation, and rapatriate the energy of the exprience it invested in matter over the aeons, the sum of which is the energy of what we call the soul.

There are orders of intelligences that are opposed to this process since the result of it will change the evolutionary curve of the universe and they risk losing ascendency over vast number of races, in the cosmos, who are kept under the veil of information wtholding, effectively controlling their rate of evolution at a lower pace than what would otherwise be quickened, were they allowed to tap into universal science.

This movement results from the addition of a new universal principle over the two original principles that were intelligence and will.
This third principle is love.

And love is not yet a universally recognized principle. It first infused on this planet. And this is the curve ball that changes things.

It changes things because love is a universal principles that rendes free.

Whereas, will is a universal principle that binds.

Intelligence and will are the equivalent of what we perceive as good and evil. Love has nothing to do with good and evil. Love gives what is required using both intelligence and will.

Intelligence and will, good and evil, are the forces that captivated the materialized intelligences as they were infused in the material sphere. They are spirituality and domination, necessary forces in the evolution of the science of energy in this sphere.

The infusion of this new Aleph, love, that renders free, will make it so that in a certain future, a number of men will work on the various planes of reality to allow information transfers to races in order for them to speed up their evolution and increase their vibrational rate, which is necessary to transport consciousness over that vast spaces of universal archives.

There are a number of such races who are aware of this process, as they have been instructed by this order of intelligences infused on this globe. This race is what has been called the Adamic race.

At the same time, there are countless other orders of intelligences whose origin is not that of the Adamic race and who are in charge, so to speak, of the evolution of material realms, and who possess a science of energy that is so far ahear than what man can imagine that were they to materialize to man, man would have no other choice than to kneel and pray them as gods.

They would have no means to resist, because of the weak nature of the soul.

These hierarchies and their subserviant races have invested energy on this globe and have a multitude of invested associated intelligences. The bulk of humanity.

And they vehemently oppose the coming of man as an avatar of its source.

Man's assention is the reconnection of the infused intelligence in matter to the universal source, which means the construction of a personal bridge between the finite and the infinite. Something that requires a total deconstruction of psychology to allow the intelligence to construct the reality it wills, in accordance with the will of the source.

The source is what the Nazareen referred to as the father.

Ascending energy is the energy of the soul, basicaly the energy of memory that is secluded within the form, the form being the memory that is recalled and the energy being the spirit trapped behind the veil of memory.

Rendering free means the destruction of the form so that the spirit is free to travel the axis of the ray that connects all the planes of reality it intersects, ray of creation that is him, in total, and a multidimentional reality.

The next cycle will be related to the destruction of the form to allow the spirit to create forms that are in harmony with the source and its plan, rather than a form, like today, a civilization, that is adapted to the need of the soul for more experience.

If the spirit breaks free from the form, bridging between the memory of the soul and a sub-plane of matter that is free from astral influences, Luciferian forces lose power over it, because the world of the soul is Luciferian in essence.

Therefore, the real battleground is the human mind, and this is why this planet is so important and why so many souls seek experience here, as a totally new paradigm is about to be created.

As strange as it may sound, this planet will one day be called the planet of love. It is from here that its infusion will spread. And those men, still allowed to incarnate here, will trade the science of love for the science of energy, and quicken the ascending movement of materialzed entity, since the science of love is superior in vibration to the science of energy.

[371]

I think it is interesting that Jesus repeatedly said in the Bible "I am the son of Man", not the "Son of God" that people commonly say he said. I guess the implication is that all man are the sons of God. Man was created to serve god, Jesus came to serve man (not in the Twilight Zone way, in fact the opposite).

[HallieBallie]

Pastor Raay Hagins PhD The 1st Creed of Nicea 325 AD part.1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-nl5adjqZw

There are 5 parts of it.

In this exciting informative lecture, Pastor Ray Hagins does what very few Pastors would dare to do. He methodically takes you step by step through the circumstances that led to the need for this meeting to take place and explains how the concept of Jesus the Christ was created in 325 A.D. The First Council of Nicaea, held in Nicaea in Bithynia (In present -- day Turkey), convened by the Roman Emperor Constantine I in 325, was the first ecumenical (1) conference of bishops of the Christian Church, and most significantly resulted in the first uniform Christian doctrine, called the Nicene Creed. With the creation of the creed, a precedent was established for subsequent "general (ecumenical) councils of Bishop's (Synods) to create statements of belief and canons of doctrinal orthodoxy -- the intent being to define unity of beliefs for the whole of Christendom.

This is the council that created the concept of Jesus the Christ and it was patterned after Heru (Horus) from the Ancient Kemetic (Egyptian) mythology. Ausar (Osiris), Auset (Isis) and Heru (Horus) were the first holy trinity and Joseph, Mary and Joseph was patterned after this. The history behind the creation of Jesus the Christ has been hidden from most Christians on purpose because it was created by the Roman Catholic Church. They have never wanted the truth to get out.

Learn why the Council of Nicaea occurred and the results of the Council such as the creation of Christmas from the ancient festivals of Saturnalia and the celebration of the birth of Mithra (the Persian Sun god).

[Richard T]

One question then 371:

What is man, ultimately?

[Richard T]

Originally Posted by HallieBallie

Pastor Raay Hagins PhD The 1st Creed of Nicea 325 AD part.1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-nl5adjqZw

There are 5 parts of it.

What the church did was to remove the spirit of the letter and replace it with symbology appropriate to the perpetuation of the conditioning of civilization through a particular type of spirituality.

This symbology calls the believer to see himself a small creature and surrender his consciousness to a concept.

New age has replaced god with one-ness, and so on, suggesting that the individualized consciousness had for some reason to dissolve into a collective pool.

This is a recurring theme.

Collective consciousness, collective unconscious, collective mind, oversoul, one-ness, and what not. All concepts meant to keep the lid on top of the mind.

The spirit of the Nazareen did not infuse here to reduce the individual to a creature but to instill a movement that must result in the construction of a wire, a tube, a tunnel, a bridge, whatever, between the mind and the cosmic network of intelligences that do not need memory to know.

All concepts are memories that contain the spirit. Therefore, all concepts will be destroyed without exception. This is why all sects and secret societies will disappear. Because man won't need to be told to know.

For now, man is told to believe.

[eurosceptic]

Shaun Ryder explained it succinctly....


"...jesus was bataman, no! That was Bruce Wayne!"

[Shellie]

Stefaan: the original meaning of "virgin" was "young, unmarried maiden". It had nothing to do with what we call virginity today.

It was common for girls to be married off at the time they became women- at the bat mitzva (age 12). So if there really was a virgin Mariam who gave birth to a son names Jeshua, then all that means is that a 11-12 year old got pregnant and had a son.

[Jonah]

Mr. T,

With the will of love can we not connect with those races to help them ascend even now? If they are within the astral plane are they not visible? If these races are not capable of being one with the source in they way that we are then it is because they have been denied the allowance of knowledge just as we are. Knowing this, can we not see as they see? Are we not in a similar situation therefore connected?
Isn't that seeing them in one form or another?

Jesus to me was a revoultionary. Working on the sabbath, attacking the current politicans or administration as well as the rich, not physically of course. He wasnt some weak as* peace loving hippie liberal pussy cat who smiled at all times. He opposed those in power and stood up and spoke when others were afraid, but the main thing he got people to listen to him when he did this. Its hard to listen to people today bc most of them are full of bs. Especially those who oppose the powers at be. Another thing he never did was preach about christanity bc he was jewish. Yep all christians worship a Jewish Man. No one ever brings that up and another thing is he might be a fictional character made up to inspire people or to control people. Either way define him as you like as long as it helps you stay positive and help serve others instead of your ego.

Peace, Love, and War

[wes_whitewolf]

STOP TALKING ABOUT ME LIKE I'M NOT HERE TO READ YOUR COMMENTS!!!!



Don't make me come over there!!!

Love, Compassion & Forgiveness...why is that so difficult with you people?!?!?

[Ashatav]

Pardon but...

This is what the spiritually iliterated luciferian wanna-bes think and preaches:


-The no-existence or existence with little importance of Jehoshua (that's a important topic because if they tries to eliminate this figure from the history is for something, it not for nothing, in fact you can listen to this John Todd audio to know more about the topic or look at the Teilhard de Chardin's -jesuit- New Age scam)

(in any case, you know the spiritual bases of UN are Teilhard and Alice A Bailey, a satanist, just look out at the publishers of her books, Lucis Trust, before called Lucifer trust! and that's Real!)

-The divinity of the human being with out GOD (or just in the place of GOD, lucifer).

-The rules are made by the subjet alone. (this shows they low level of spiritual development hoho)

-We all gonna be One and mold with the Oness instead of individual development and individual grace. (this is popular now but is luciferic)

-Long live to Isis Horus and Seth and all they alternative names (a long list, Mary, Moon, Semiramis as isis, etc. etc. etc.).

-We will re-build Babylonia.

-The pope is the vicar or christ (in place of christ, that's because the bended cross, you know that?), actually the pope is like a representant of a luciferic religion. The one is at top of every other religion, pseudoreligion, central banks, illuminatis, etc.

-You are cattle, muahaha!

-etc.

So, if you find something with these topics in a ideology, trash it!

Cheers!

[Evolution22]

This is from law of one,

I am Ra. The one known to you as Jesus of Nazareth did not have a name. This entity was a member of fifth density of the highest level of that sub-octave. This entity was desirous of entering this planetary sphere in order to share the love vibration in as pure a manner as possible. Thus, this entity received permission to perform this mission. This entity was then a Wanderer of no name, of Confederation origins, of fifth density, representing the fifth-density understanding of the vibration of understanding or love.

http://www.lawofone.info/?sc=1&ss=0

[Evolution22]

Jesus was son of MAN..

GOD is the web that connects all things. WE are GOD (law of one)

[Theresa]

Religion is fear based and fantasy. Bold statement, I know, but if one begins the process of spiritual PRACTICE, not just rote ritualistic behavior, true spiritual awareness begins to develop, and we begin to see the bible as metaphor and teaching at best, and parts of it as deliberate misinformation.

I have been in ministry training, was raised Catholic and now channel Jesus~Holy Spirit, the latter of which offers very definite teachings which I have transcribed as a book and dvd. Am I an expert? no, but I AM living a life of spiritual PRACTICE. It takes WORK to ascend. a LOT of it, which is why people mostly want to fall back on what's already been done, and then argue about it. The only way to enlightenment is doing the hard work of it OURSELVES.

That being said, the cornerstone of spiritual awakening is SELF RESPONSIBILITY-becoming totally responsible that we are the creators of ALL of our experience. The next step is being willing to ask the Holy Spirit, our higher self, GOD, etc, to HELP us FORGIVE OURSELVES for making up beliefs of unworthiness that are manifesting the stuff we dont' like. Its that simple. The Jesus I know says that this is all we need to know to spiritually awaken, and create HEAVEN HERE, not in some "fantasy" place with some "father" GOD. WE ARE GOD. Here are the two steps:

1. total, ruthless responsibility for being the creator of ALL of our experience
2. being willing to forgive ourselves for making up beliefs of unworthiness

Easy? Not on your life-especially the "taking responsibility" part, in case you haven't noticed.

In fact, if one reads the bible from this level of truth, it says that Jesus could NOT heal EVERYONE because of their UNBELIEF!! What weren't they believing? that they were WORTHY of being healed.

so....consider taking on a path of mastery. It will be a DOING path of SURRENDER and SERVICE. Then you are LIVING the WORD, not just arguing about it....

www.forgiveandawaken.com

~LOVE PEACE JOY TRUTH IS ALL THAT IS ALL~

[milk and honey]

Jesus the 'Son of Man' became Jesus 'the Christ' (the Sun / Son of God) because he opened and surrendered to the inner light, called in the western scripture "Christos" and in the east, "Krishna" and "Buddha". To understand his teachings it's important above all to appreciate that we too can become Christ and ascend as Jesus did. Essentially, that was his message. Jesus was the wayshower of the path to spiritual oneness, and ascension... which is the ultimate "realm shift" that everyone is now talking about, only Jesus taught an individual "shift" in consciousness NOT a mass ascension event in the future.

He was a true spiritual revolutionary in that regard, nearly 2000 years before the 'space brother' chanellings (deliberately) misconstrued many metaphysical concepts. ie.. a "mass ascension" in 2012 and/or a "beam me up scotty" UFO type "rapture", among others.

Jesus also pronounced a judgement for the end of the age that would separate souls on earth according to their vibration or "works". For some it will be the final judgement. He foresaw the return of the pent up karma of the ages (sown during a 'great cycle' of ~ 25,800 yrs) and prophesied the personal and planetary destruction it could bring. Prophecy from the spiritual source has always been an opportunity for souls to change direction. If it can be clearly seen that a certain course of action is leading humanity into destructive karmic outcomes, then at the risk of being accused of causing that destruction, a prophet must sound a warning. Jesus and others have given necessary prophecies at certain intervals yet ingrates accuse them of actually causing disaster by doing so. Who might accuse and why? Only those trying to deflect responsibility.

One timely prophecy was the judgement of the fallen angels on planet Earth.

Jesus said, "For judgement I AM come". Fallen angels have been incarnate on this planet for ages but their time is now up. Jesus identified some of them and as part of his mission, he spoke the judgement in the physical plane which gave them all a final opportunity during the age of pisces to come into alignment with the law of love. To paraphrase the law... "Give up your abuse of power and control of the masses and serve the light in my own as all are required to do". Millions of fallen angels have incarnated on planet Earth during this time, but same as 2000 years ago, Jesus' person and message have been rejected and distorted beyond recognition. (See below.) And their power games have continued in every sector of life.

The handwriting is on the wall and as the karma of ages is ripening, the only solution as always is in a change of heart by a sufficient number of souls to mitigate the worst of it. We must each identify and surrender the machinations of the ego and embrace the presence and guidance of the higher-Self. That is the necessity of the hour -- as late as it now is -- and that is exactly what Jesus taught.

Essentially Jesus taught that the "Christ" is the real spiritual -Self within each person and that we need to accept it in order to overcome the egoic mind, which he called the 'carnal mind' and 'anti-christ'. To paraphrase him:

"The kingdom of heaven (the consciousness of God) is within you."

And again...

"He that is in you (the christ-consciousness)
is greater than he that is in the world (the egoic mind and the false hierarchy who fully embody it )

And...

"No man ascends to the Father except he that descends from the Father."

Jesus was not only referring to himself when he said that. ^^^ He was talking about all incarnate spiritual beings including ourselves. Our souls have descended from the spiritual plane into a lower plane and state of consciousness therefore each soul can ascend back to the spiritual plane to re-unite with the Father (the I AM Presence) but only if we're willing to sift our own consciousness and separate the ego chaff from the spiritual wheat.

The Book of John identifies the good 'wheat':

"That was the true light which lighteth every man which cometh into the world".

John was not only referring to the man Jesus but to the Christ light within him which is the same light within us. It is the guiding light within all souls who incarnate in the material plane. So if we would follow in Jesus footsteps all the way to the ascension then we must awaken to the same inner light as he did and let it speak and act as it moves us. Intuition is our guide.

"The works that i do ye shall do also,
and greater works shall ye do because i go unto my father"

Greater "works" are possible if we become conscious of (and fully realise) the same God consciousness which Jesus realised in himself. He mastered the flow of spirit through his chakras and subtle bodies and if we walk the spiritual path, so can we. My understanding is that, for tens of thousands of years, Jesus' mission was (and still is) to reconnect us with the Christ flame in our hearts which is a living connection to our true source.

Most souls on Earth have lost contact with this inner reality and hierarchy's solution was to send Jesus as a world teacher to literally resuscitate the souls of the entire human race. At least all those who accept the impulse of love within ... whether or not they make the outer association with Jesus is less important.

When he told us we are his brothers and sisters -- "joint heirs" in Christ -- Jesus was saying "We Are One". He had personally realised that oneness and this is what he meant when he said:

"Whatsoever ye do unto the least of these my brethren, ye do also unto me". (because We Are One). That sounds axiomatic today but it wasn't ~2000 yrs ago. None of his teachings were understood except by very few.

If we would do 'greater works' and if we would ascend at the conclusion of this life (like Jesus did) then we too must take the same spiritual initiations. Jesus didn't do it all for us as the false pastors would have us believe, but he left his footprints in the sand as The Way to inner source. His initiations are ours too but we won't necessarilly fulfill them in the same way that he did. The outer karmic circumstances will be different for everyone but the interior path presents the same initiations. Some of the main ones are:

1) baptism = the "immersion" of our souls in the cleansing fires of inner-spirit.

The fundamentalist 'christian' church has falsely taught that the ritual of immersion in water is the totality of "baptism". "Now you are saved, dry your hair". Well, it is a fine ritual as far as it goes but they teach that 'baptism' fulfills the main requirement in a simplistic formula for being "saved" and "born again". Yet baptism by water is only the outer symbol of an inner process of soul purification by 'immersion' in inner-spirit. And this transformation can take a lifetime or more to achieve not merely a single confession or ritual.

2) Crucifixion.

The vertical bar of the cross represents the Divine Will of the spiritual- Self descending into the incarnate soul. The horizontal bar divides it where it enters matter and this represents the human will. If the soul can surrender and align the human will with the Will of Spirit then the soul can overcome all death consciousness (all negative aspects of the psyche) and emerge victorious from the material plane to return to spirit.

The fundamentalist 'christian' church teaches that the human blood sacrifice of Jesus is essential to the salvation of humanity and thereby that Jesus paid the price for all past and future sins. This concept of a "vicarious at-one-ment" is patently false. Our souls can only be at-one with the Christ if they are vibrationally changed and purified by that spirit. It is a oneness of vibration; a spiritual process which Jesus' human blood cannot accomplish. The idea that a spiritual God needs to be appeased by blood is a disgrace and a hangover from the worst days of Atlantis.

A one time ritual of baptism or a deathbed confession that "my sins are forgiven through the blood of Jesus" simply won't cut it. It is a false prescription that does not in the least, resemble Jesus' teaching on the salvation (the self-elevation) of the soul.

The "blood" (of Christ) symbolises the spiritual light which can flow into each soul from source. It is a metaphor suggesting the "blood" as the essential carrier of the elements of life to every cell in the body, only the body in this case is the Universal Christ in which we all share our being. The "blood" is the river of life and love which changes whatever it touches with life giving creative energy.

The Universal Christ spoke through Jesus saying:

"This is my body (the Universal Christ-consciousness)
which is broken for you" (which is individualised in you all)

"This is my blood (My light essence which nourishes every cell -- each of you -- in my Universal 'Body")
Drink ye all of it." (and live)

Jesus is an ascended spiritual being. If we calm the mind and go within in meditation we can recieve spiritual inspiration. When we commune with the inner Christ presence we commune with Jesus because we are one at that level. He can help us to understand his true teachings and our own psyche so that we too can be washed by the "blood of the lamb" (the inner- Christ Self) and the "word of his testimony" -- the "living word" which is the flow of the spiritual lifeforce within.

The Christ Self is the mediator between the I AM Presence in spirit and the wounded soul trapped in the re-incarnational cycles of time and space. There is no other way to transcend the matrix except through that real- Self.

The Universal Christ spoke through Jesus saying:

"I AM the Way the Truth and the Life
no man (no soul) goeth unto the Father ( none can return to the I AM in Spirit)
but by Me (the Christ -- the mediator -- within All).


3) The Resurrection.

The initiation of the resurrection symbolises the raising of the vibratory rate of consciousness. All fallen aspects of the psyche... greed, envy, hate, fear, arrogance, deciet, etc, are seen for what they are... "dead" vibrations of the ego which only "life" vibrations of spirit can transform and integrate.

The lower- ego was created in ignorance so it is ultimately unreal. It can be proven unreal by soul contact with the Christ flame which separates the (real) soul from the (unreal) ego and consumes it "by fire". The all seeing eye of Christ- consciousness, sees all that vibrates below it and dissolves it. This continual process is the "resurrection of the dead" energy locked within the lower matrix of the ego.

4) The Ascension.

When the soul has balanced her karma and transmuted the lower nature (by loving service to others and meshing with the Christ Mind) then the ascension is not too far away. By walking the initiatic path of self transformation, the soul achieves immortality by fusing to the I AM Presence in spirit... "no more to go in or out" of matter.

This is the resurrection and ascension in the light for each soul. There are many steps on the path, and like Jesus we must take them all to prove the supremacy of spirit over matter.

[Merkhava]

Jesus the 'Son of Man' became Jesus 'the Christ' (the Sun / Son of God) because he opened and surrendered to the inner light, called in the western scripture "Christos" and in the east, "Krishna" and "Buddha".

I am aware of this viewpoint and the many other ideas you have described in your post. What a long conversation it would be to discuss every point of detail! But I will keep it short and deal with the first you offered, since it is the most important.

I have considered the New Age interpretation that espouses the “Christ-consciousness” and for my own serious consideration, I have to reject it. I think you have it backwards. A son of man didn’t become a god, but rather, the Almighty God (the Logos) became the Son of Man.

I defer to Apostle John, who was the last survivor of The Twelve, who wrote:

“In the beginning (before there was Time) was the Word (the Logos), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself. He was present originally with God. All things came into existence through Him; and without Him was not even one thing made that has come into being.

And the Word became flesh (incarnate) and tabernacled (pitched His tent of flesh awhile) among us; and we saw His majestic glory, such radiance as an only begotten Son receives from His Father, full of grace and truth.” (John 1:1-3, 14)

The question is “What is Jesus?”

It is of utmost importance to us each individually to get the answer right, because it speaks to the heart of such matters as:

1) Where did I come from?
2) Why am I and why here?
3) What will become of me?

I accept as fact that the Lord God (YHVH - Adonai Eloheynu) really exists. I also accept as hard fact that the Law of God actually operates in the Universe upon the foundation of Love. I realize for myself that I am responsible and accountable to God under His lawful standards and demands, just as I am responsible and accountable as a citizen to observe the laws of the USA.

I also realize that when I measure myself to the standards and demands of the Law of God, I fall woefully short. I have not yet been able to have just one single day in my life where I could honestly claim that I have perfectly demonstrated love every single moment through my every act, word and thought. I have broken the highest laws of the Universe everyday of my life, and for that I am so sorry. And I have no illusions that the good things I have done in my life are anywhere near enough in merit to adequately redeem me for my wrongs.

I know what I am. I know I will die and it will be a lawful and justified end for me. I know I cannot stop my own death or raise myself from the dead.

So I hope in a Savior who demonstrated that He can. And I rely upon His promise that He will come back for me and raise me physically and literally from the dead, just as He did for Himself by His own power 2000 years ago.

So what is Jesus?

I accept as the truth that Yeshua HaMashiakh is the Almighty God in the flesh. I accept that the Resurrection did really happen and is a literal historical fact, and that that historical event provides a rational basis for me to have hope of eternal life as an immortal son of God.

And I find comfort through all my frustrations and pains in this mortal life when I remember the Lord’s words when He promised:

“Do not let your hearts be distressed with fear by your troubles. You trust in God. Trust also in Me.

In My Father's house there are many mansions. If it were not so, I would have told you. I AM going away to prepare a place for you. And if I go away and make ready a place for you, I will without a doubt come back again and will take you to Myself, so that where I AM you may be also. And to the place where I AM going, you know the way.”

Then Thomas said to Him,

“Lord, we don’t know where You are going, so how can we know the way?”

Yeshua said to him,

“I AM the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you had learned to recognize Me, you would also have learned to recognize My Father.”

Regards,
Merkhava

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by Merkhava

--- quoting milk and honey ---
"Jesus the 'Son of Man' became Jesus 'the Christ' (the Sun / Son of God) because he opened and surrendered to the inner light, called in the western scripture "Christos" and in the east, "Krishna" and "Buddha'"

I have considered the New Age interpretation that espouses the “Christ-consciousness” and for my own serious consideration, I have to reject it. I think you have it backwards. A son of man didn’t become a god, but rather, the Almighty God (the Logos) became the Son of Man.

You're right, the Logos became the Son of Man. Jesus fulfilled his spiritual potential by realising the Son of God within him and so can we. I called this process a "be-coming". The Logos created the material universe and billions of spiritual beings who incarnated and fell into a lower state of consciousness thus distorting the divine image. Jesus taught us how to BE-COME that which we already are by transcending the imperfect image through the healing presence of the Christ -- the true light within us.

He said... "Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect"

By the interior light, Jesus spiritually perfected himself and gave us the example of how we too can realise soul perfection. The divine image already IS within us because it is the pattern of our divine origin. THE LOGOS.

There will remain a warring in our members (as Paul wrote) until the soul's divine image is restored. The spirit can transmute and transform the soul if is realised as a personal interior presence.

So naturally we can't accomplish this transformation by 'behavior modification' alone. Christhood is a state of consciousness so we must uncover the same Christ spirit which animated Jesus and which enabled him to perform his works. He told us where we would find that spirit (within ourselves) and Paul admonished us to "Have that Mind in you which was in Christ Jesus". That of course is the 'Christ Mind' which resides right where Jesus said it does... "within you"

We're all extensions (in matter) of the Logos (in spirit) which is the Universal Christ individualised within each soul. As i said, essentially we cannot become something we are not already, it's just that we've distorted the Divine Soul Image (in which we were made by the "word") so now we must transform that image by the power of the Logos within. That is Jesus' message.

Originally Posted by Merkhava

I defer to Apostle John, who was the last survivor of The Twelve, who wrote:

“In the beginning (before there was Time) was the Word (the Logos), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself. He was present originally with God. All things came into existence through Him; and without Him was not even one thing made that has come into being.

Your quote from the Book of John is taken virtually verbatim from the eastern Vedas which are aprox 5000 years old. In the original Vedic scripture the word BRAHMAN is used in place of the word GOD but they're both refering to GOD and saying the exact same things about the "word" in relation to God.

2 more things...

John wrote that everything is the issue of the Logos or 'word'. It is written elsewhere that Jesus was the "incarnation of the word" but Jesus taught us that so are we if we will realise our full potential as sons of God. He invited us to seek and find the indwelling Presence of the Logos right within us which he called the "kingdom of God".

We are ONE in Christ. We issue from the same Father with whom was the "word" in the beginning. That is what John is saying and so is Jesus in various ways. We are his brothers and sisters who all share the same christ-consciousness and the same spiritual origin as him. And since we all issue from the Logos (the "word") we can return to it if we follow in Jesus footsteps.

As i said, the opening sentences of the Book of John were virtually identical to the Vedic texts written ~5000 years ago. Where did he get them? Most likely Jesus taught John that verse from his own travels in the east during the ~ 17 years missing from the Bible. Jesus disappears from the bible commentary at the age of 12 at which time, according to buddhist texts, he travelled east and studied the ancient wisdom teachings, some of which appear in various religious texts.

Originally Posted by Merkhava

And the Word became flesh (incarnate) and tabernacled (pitched His tent of flesh awhile) among us; and we saw His majestic glory, such radiance as an only begotten Son receives from His Father, full of grace and truth.” (John 1:1-3, 14)

This quote speaks of Jesus and the Christ, both synonymous. Jesus taught us that we too are the "word made flesh". The "Word" is the 'Only Begotten Son' which is the Universal Christ-consciousness which is the "body of Christ" broken for All. A portion of the "broken body" of Christ is individualised within each person. Jesus called it the "kingdom of heaven" which is the interior Christ-consciousness. The radiance of the Christ Presence is within each of us and i am sure of it because i have seen it.

Originally Posted by Merkhava

The question is “What is Jesus?”

It is of utmost importance to us each individually to get the answer right, because it speaks to the heart of such matters as:

1) Where did I come from?
2) Why am I and why here?
3) What will become of me?

I believe the answers to these questions ^^^are found in the quotes both you and i highlighted and i've interpreted their meaning according to a broader reading of scripture and intuition.

In the following paragraphs i've taken liberty to bold my interpretation of your statements and bible quotes as i see them and i'll add a link for you to study also if you wish. I believe christendom has thoroughly misrepresented Jesus true teaching and has replaced it with a false doctrine that reduces salvation to a simplistic formula involving baptism and confession of an external savior figure. That was not Jesus' real message.

Originally Posted by Merkhava

So what is Jesus?

I accept as the truth that Yeshua HaMashiakh is the Almighty God in the flesh. I accept that the Resurrection did really happen and is a literal historical fact, and that that historical event provides a rational basis for me to have hope of eternal life as an immortal son of God.

Jesus taught that we are all "God" in the flesh but that we must realise our true nature and potential as he did".

I don't deny the resurrection, the crucifixion or the ascension. I simply point out that those milestones in Jesus own path of Christhood are symbolic of deeper spiritual truths that relate to the path of personal Christhood for each of us. That explains why some of the same symbols predate Jesus mission ~2000 yrs ago. They're symbolic of the personal path to God realisation we must all walk.

And I find comfort through all my frustrations and pains in this mortal life when I remember the Lord’s words when He promised:

“Do not let your hearts be distressed with fear by your troubles. You trust in God. Trust also in Me.

True. The Christ issues from the Father which is within each of us if we will seek and find it. Trust the interior presence of God. It is the "kingdom of heaven" within.

In My Father's house there are many mansions. If it were not so, I would have told you. I AM going away to prepare a place for you. And if I go away and make ready a place for you, I will without a doubt come back again and will take you to Myself, so that where I AM you may be also. And to the place where I AM going, you know the way.”

There are many levels of consciousness in God's being. The "place" (in consciousness) Jesus prepares is only accessible by entering the "kingdom" (the christ-consciousness) within us. It is a state of consciousness which will propell us into higher planes of God's being.

Jesus can be found right now in the "place prepared".... Right Within. He is ONE with the Univeral Christ Spirit and we will return to it and to him by following The Way which he taught. That Way is within, wherein all the love and intelligence of Christos guides, heals and transforms our whole being

Then Thomas said to Him,

“Lord, we don’t know where You are going, so how can we know the way?”

Yeshua said to him,

“I AM the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you had learned to recognize Me, you would also have learned to recognize My Father.”

This statement by Jesus is referring both to his person and to the Universal Christ within all because Jesus is ONE with ALL. The recognition and embrace of the indwelling christ-consciousness is the lifeline to the I AM (the Father). There are no external paths or fundamentalist formulas to the kingdom of heaven. It is within us.

See this link for much more on the subject : www.askrealjesus.com/

[Jonah]

Please be careful Milk and Honey. I was only searching for information regarding the question.
We are not here to change anyones beliefs today. Regardless of intention.

I admire your resourceful memory, and am more than pleased that you posted your personal beliefs.

But please consider the ramifications of such information.

Thank you for your all you've done thus far.

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by Vorian's Revenge

Please be careful Milk and Honey. I was only searching for information regarding the question.
We are not here to change anyones beliefs today. Regardless of intention.

I admire your resourceful memory, and am more than pleased that you posted your personal beliefs.

But please consider the ramifications of such information.

Thank you for your all you've done thus far.

Not sure i'm reading you clearly VR.

Nobody has to change their beliefs on account of me. If i make assertions which do not agree with someone (who is already disagreeing with me) then they and anyone else is welcome to ignore what i've written or reply to me. You may have noticed that occasionally peoples views are 180 degrees apart. Asserting exactly what that dissagreement entails is not unhealthy and should not be discouraged in a truth seeker discussion forum.

You asked a few direct questions about Jesus at the beginning of this thread which presumably only an honest comparison of popular views can properly inform. It is very easy over several pages of posts to lose the conversation with it's similarities and contrasts. Personally i try to make them clear when my views dissagree with others.

In my view, the ramifications of a philosophical dissagreement are all positive if the discussion is calm, honest and provocative of replies which deal directly with the various contrasting assertions.

I think Merkhava is doing a fine job of holding his or her own, but just what, exactly, did you find offensive?