This one is titled Pelosi... What a horrible woman she is... - Page 2

shybastid · 01-27-2010, 04:17 AM

I guess what I meant was..theres an inclusion with a Global Economy and NWO and where Morality and Profit come toghether and seperate.
It seems Nancy Perosi has decided that it's her responsibility to make those choices for the American people because we're:
A) too busy, so trust her
B) too stupid
I resent either of those choices.

NAFTA and Trilateral Commission don't really seem to look at the perspective from the American work forces position,but more from a "Corporate" perspective for the good of the Regions financial position overall.

The original idea was,instead of Jobs and Manufacturering going to the Far East, we would reduce labor and transportation costs by building (Central America,USA and Canada Nafta) Maquiadora's in Mexico and keep transportation costs lower . And keep it in the region.
China and the Far East BLEW Labor costs out of the water over transportation costs.And Labor...........LABOR No Unions..cheap unaccountable labor
Tax Credits fluctuate.
Purto Rico was a tax have for 30years for U.S, Medical Device Manufacturers
Tax breaks ran out...

As tax incentives float from country to country, and labor costs and transportation prices fluctuate,so does Corporate decisions where to build product.
Some products are still cost effective in U.S.,some in Maquiadora's,some off shore. It depends on the LABOR cost.

We need to "retool" our thinking.

A lot of us are Americans on this website.. Others are caring people.

I ask... "For Corporate Profit,Or the Government,or Profit SHARING?"

I say we work toghether.AND we need something people believe in.
Then? we all win..
Oh except the cheap laborers... OK Whats it gonna cost?

no caste · 01-27-2010, 05:38 AM

shybastid - I'm sure with you on the NAFTA thing. It could be abrogated, with 6 months notice. Finished. It was rammed down people's throats here in the day - pure corporatist p*ke. The 'story' was that it would 'create jobs' so now mass yobs in the service industry, clerking it up in made in China clothing stores.

Pfft. Another great thing - hey, I like your list! - about the US is how it throws way more white collar criminals in the slammer than Canadians. Here's a short one. A big scandal with blood supply here, PM's business interests, went way down the Clinton pipe to prisons in [wherever Clinton was guvner], prisoners get a pint drained for $5 or whatever. Next thing the country's blood supply is contaminated with HIV, hep, and so on. Dads die, moms die. Their kids have HIV, ... What happens at the end of that big line is one doctor gets a lollipop, community service. Canada should have those US 'nads!

Whew, a vent

Northern Boy · 01-28-2010, 04:36 AM

shybastid Profit is fine and dandy I`m all for it but in todays corporate climate greed has replaced profit and the only way to accumulate greed is to drive wage and benefit costs down at any and all expense . The cost of moving to third world nations with no labor laws is the abundance of willing hungry workers who will do the jobs means closing down and moving factories is a short term problem knowing the long term gains will be immeasurable

no caste · 01-28-2010, 06:49 AM

Well, at least buddy here in the 5-4 U.S. Supreme Court decision - a mighty dissent from Justice John Paul Stevens...

Who are the other 5 idiots?????? WT(VERYBIG)FUP????

“The fact that corporations are different from human beings might seem to need no elaboration, except that the majority opinion almost completely eludes it…

Unlike natural persons, corporations have ‘limited liability’ for their owners and managers, ‘perpetual life,’ separation of ownership and control, ‘and favorable treatment of the accumulation and distribution of assets . . . that enhance their ability to attract capital and to deploy their resources in ways that maximize the return on their shareholders’ investments.’ 494 U. S., at 658–659. Unlike voters in U. S. elections, corporations may be foreign controlled.

Unlike other interest groups, business corporations have been ‘effectively delegated responsibility for ensuring society’s economic welfare’; they inescapably structure the life of every citizen. ‘[T]he resources in the treasury of a business corporation,’ furthermore, ‘are not an indication of popular support for the corporation’s political ideas.’ Id., at 659 (quoting MCFL, 479 U. S., at 258).

‘They reflect instead the economically motivated decisions of investors and customers. The availability of these resources may make a corporation a formidable political presence, even though the power of the corporation may be no reflection of the power of its ideas.’ 494 U. S., at 659 (quoting MCFL, 479 U. S., at 258). It might also be added that corporations have no consciences, no beliefs, no feelings, no thoughts, no desires.

Corporations help structure and facilitate the activities of human beings, to be sure, and their ‘personhood’ often serves as a useful legal fiction. But they are not themselves members of ‘We the People’ by whom and for whom our Constitution was established. These basic points help explain why corporate electioneering is not only more likely to impair compelling governmental interests, but also why restrictions on that electioneering are less likely to encroach upon First Amendment freedoms.”

Anyway.

Humble Janitor · 01-28-2010, 07:02 AM

It does no good to complain about the politician du jour.

They're all crooks, liars and thieves and I don't care if you like Obama or Ron Paul, they're all the same.

From personal experience, I am dealing with crooks, liars and thieves as part of a state commission. Those are the folks that are really attracted to politics.

no caste · 01-28-2010, 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

It does no good to complain about the politician du jour.

It's healthy IMO, like a Tomatina Festival.

hey... I smell Salsa...

Tango · 01-28-2010, 08:56 AM

Northern Boy...

Like I said, Lawyers; attorneys.. They could fuuk up anything... AND, HAVE...

They, ARE the same as bankers... To Me, Slime... Is, it possible to strip the
skin off a Human being....? Naaa, THAT's ToO Good for her... I think I've
said enough... Gawd, she makes me gag... The hag... Fish bait...

Verry trooly,

Tango

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Originally Posted by Northern Boy

you left out how great they have become at exporting jobs overseas

all kidding aside those running the country have run it into the ground amazing people when they want to be but in the name of greed it seems she has lost her way

shybastid · 01-28-2010, 02:21 PM

Good thread.. I like it when posters basicly all agree on a topic. Sure makes it easier on my brain. I can understand nuts and bolts reality. I can "see" it.
I get cloudy real fast on some of the topics here in Avalon. I 'want" to believe a lot of what I read...including "disclosure is imminent" but I've been tapping my foot for years now.
I'm pretty sure Nancy Pelosi is a reptilian though. THAT I believe.

shybastid · 01-29-2010, 06:32 PM

I Rest My Case......Check Please...Oh It's On Me

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=123472

Tango · 01-29-2010, 07:31 PM

Nice Find.... Thank you... For posting it...

Tango

Quote:

Originally Posted by shybastid

I Rest My Case......Check Please...Oh It's On Me

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=123472

shybastid · 01-29-2010, 08:49 PM

Sorry Tango... I just cringe when I see Nancy Pelosi on TV. She gives me the creeps. I've never written more in a blog in my life. I'd reregister to vote if I were in her ward to vote her out.
I see your in Arizona...Your welcome to visit here in Tahoe anytime. I'm a great host. Common up.
We almost did a Camelot Conference here in Tahoe last October. I even spoke to Kerry about it. We might do one in May or June.Stay tuned.

Tango · 01-29-2010, 10:05 PM

I, Like the things you post... John McCain (R) AZ, needs to go too as HE is a
progressive... But, She's worse... I say a little something everyday to try to
wake the people of California... I am very familiar with your area... Had to
pick up a CH-54 Skycrane from Reno... in 2000, Tahoe was right over the Ridge.
I've spent some time in your area... Nice.... Know it... Rented a car... Had to
stay a week, while the made the A/C airworthy... Keep up the energy...

FYI: If we KEEP up the pressure " She'll Be Gone."... We also need to THINK
about Giving our Sheriffs the tools to take these Fed thief's OUT.........

You've got My Support... KEEP POSTING.....

Trooly,

Tango

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Originally Posted by shybastid

Sorry Tango... I just cringe when I see Nancy Pelosi on TV. She gives me the creeps. I've never written more in a blog in my life. I'd reregister to vote if I were in her ward to vote her out.
I see your in Arizona...Your welcome to visit here in Tahoe anytime. I'm a great host. Common up.
We almost did a Camelot Conference here in Tahoe last October. I even spoke to Kerry about it. We might do one in May or June.Stay tuned.

shybastid · 01-30-2010, 02:32 AM

LOL... New Sheriff in Town? Arizona has a good Sheriff unless your a prisoner there. I don't know if I agree with his position of humiliating all incarcerated prisoners there, but at least he has some gonads on a Federal level. He WILL challange his and our constitutional rights as a Sherrif and OUR rights in jail. He "pushes " the envelope. At least it "looks" like democracy is being held accountable.
Me? I'd stay away from Arizona if I were an undocumented entry into my country or a criminal.
But thats just me.
Arizona's Sheriff is a MoFo. AND He's proud of it. AND I woud'nt argue with that doode.
Heh But that's just me.

Humble Janitor · 01-25-2010, 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shybastid

I did not mean to hijack this thread..And the way I spell,you'd think I was an end result of the California School Sytem.. I kid I kid

I did not mean to insinuate that all teachers in the California Education System Bankrupted California. I DO know teachers that don't care. They want their retirement regardless of the cost. I know people in the Post Office that want their pension,regardless of the cost. They EARNED it. Kinda
I know people that worked at Kaiser Steel in Fontana California their whole lives and found out their pension was worth nothing. And no recourse.
I know a LOT of start up companies that failed..(Guilty)
My Point?
It seems the Private Sector Pays the Bills with Risk attached.
The Government Sector "manages" the risk with no "out of pocket" investment or risk. I don't like it.
AND I don't the like Government attitude.
Only THEIR time to manage MY risk. My dough.
THAT"S WHY the Doctors don't like Medicare and Medicade.
It's NO risk to the PAYED govenment empoyee's.

I bet you just wish you were a government employee.

Who wouldn't want to have a job that pays well and has good job security?

Typical Republican behavior. If it's not from the private sector, it's BAAADDDDDDD, man.

And there's nothing wrong with people expecting to get their pensions. They bust their asses off and expect something there when they retire. Do you support CEOs burning up pension money for their own personal gain?

Humble Janitor · 01-25-2010, 04:54 AM

Also, the next time you complain about your taxes, just remember that local taxes go to support YOUR lifestyle. They pay for YOUR roads, they pay to keep YOU safe and they pay to educate YOUR children (or children of people YOU know).

It's an imperfect system for sure and there's always room for reform.

I can't say the same for federal taxes in regards to representation.

Tango · 01-25-2010, 07:15 AM

Hey... Have you heard of Ray Stevens....

See, I think this will wake up more people than me...

But, everyone HAS to Vote; to send these crooks

Packing...

Trooly,

Tango

Seashore · 01-24-2010, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjkted

None of this matters. The financial system will collapse and this problem will go away. If you don't believe me, just wait 6-9 months and let's see where we are

It's going to be real funny to watch politicians full of hot air with no monetary control to yield over the plebes.

--sjkted

You're saying we're not going to have money?

We will have some sort of means of exchange of goods and services and we will still have politics.

I don't believe the problem is going to go away with the collapse of the present system.

Northern Boy · 01-25-2010, 06:10 PM

YOU are not a nation of conservatives and liberals; YOU are a nation of constitutionally free human beings. The only ideas that we can agree upon stem from this one equality YOU give power to through your consent, equal protection under a rule of law. It is through this ratiocination that Republicans and Democrats proposition that they represent what is the best of the American way of life. “Join us!”, they say, “we believe in liberty, free markets, equality and a safer America!”, and you all know what they mean; liberty means you pay taxes and they don’t, liberty means say nothing of our corruption and we’ll hand you a conviction on middle management every-so-often, free market means freely open for upper echelon corruption and consolidation, equality means that you must be labeled, tracked and “secured” a place in your vision of society, safe means you are a terrorist until proven innocent, and safe means you must support the wars or “shut up”.

As long as You hold true to right and left wing demagoguery You will forever have these problems as long as you continue to vote along party lines be they Republican or Democrat nothing will change. They have the money and every 4 years they come out to say they care about you so they can continue the charade when will the bell go off in some people`s heads that they are just using you to secure there place in the program . They are starting to run scared you now see them bringing security to their town hall meetings . At these meetings attempts are made to muzzle any disent. It has nothing to do with TEA FRIGGEN PARTY`S for christ sake your on a sinking ship don`t wait till its at the bottom to jump off!

Seashore · 01-25-2010, 10:29 AM

Let's don't fall into the left-right paradigm trap.

We have to solve the problem of not being able to get good people past the primary election process and electronic voting fraud - both caused by the corruption of money in politics.

It's all about money.

shybastid · 01-25-2010, 02:49 PM

I'm not a republican H. J. And I agree that if you put into a pension,you should get out your dough. All I'm saying is when Arnold mearly inquired into whether or not the amount of the teachers pension was a "tad" too much for the State he was trounced by the Teachers Union.
And no, I don't want to be a government employee.

01-27-2010, 04:17 AM	#1
shybastid Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 145	Re: This one is titled Pelosi... What a horrible woman she is... I guess what I meant was..theres an inclusion with a Global Economy and NWO and where Morality and Profit come toghether and seperate. It seems Nancy Perosi has decided that it's her responsibility to make those choices for the American people because we're: A) too busy, so trust her B) too stupid I resent either of those choices. NAFTA and Trilateral Commission don't really seem to look at the perspective from the American work forces position,but more from a "Corporate" perspective for the good of the Regions financial position overall. The original idea was,instead of Jobs and Manufacturering going to the Far East, we would reduce labor and transportation costs by building (Central America,USA and Canada Nafta) Maquiadora's in Mexico and keep transportation costs lower . And keep it in the region. China and the Far East BLEW Labor costs out of the water over transportation costs.And Labor...........LABOR No Unions..cheap unaccountable labor Tax Credits fluctuate. Purto Rico was a tax have for 30years for U.S, Medical Device Manufacturers Tax breaks ran out... As tax incentives float from country to country, and labor costs and transportation prices fluctuate,so does Corporate decisions where to build product. Some products are still cost effective in U.S.,some in Maquiadora's,some off shore. It depends on the LABOR cost. We need to "retool" our thinking. A lot of us are Americans on this website.. Others are caring people. I ask... "For Corporate Profit,Or the Government,or Profit SHARING?" I say we work toghether.AND we need something people believe in. Then? we all win.. Oh except the cheap laborers... OK Whats it gonna cost?

01-27-2010, 05:38 AM	#2
no caste Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,375	Re: This one is titled Pelosi... What a horrible woman she is... shybastid - I'm sure with you on the NAFTA thing. It could be abrogated, with 6 months notice. Finished. It was rammed down people's throats here in the day - pure corporatist pke. The 'story' was that it would 'create jobs' so now mass yobs in the service industry, clerking it up in made in China clothing stores. Pfft. Another great* thing - hey, I like your list! - about the US is how it throws way more white collar criminals in the slammer than Canadians. Here's a short one. A big scandal with blood supply here, PM's business interests, went way down the Clinton pipe to prisons in [wherever Clinton was guvner], prisoners get a pint drained for $5 or whatever. Next thing the country's blood supply is contaminated with HIV, hep, and so on. Dads die, moms die. Their kids have HIV, ... What happens at the end of that big line is one doctor gets a lollipop, community service. Canada should have those US 'nads! Whew, a vent Last edited by no caste; 01-27-2010 at 05:43 AM.

01-28-2010, 04:36 AM	#3
Northern Boy Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: On this Rock Posts: 1,390	Re: This one is titled Pelosi... What a horrible woman she is... shybastid Profit is fine and dandy I`m all for it but in todays corporate climate greed has replaced profit and the only way to accumulate greed is to drive wage and benefit costs down at any and all expense . The cost of moving to third world nations with no labor laws is the abundance of willing hungry workers who will do the jobs means closing down and moving factories is a short term problem knowing the long term gains will be immeasurable

01-28-2010, 06:49 AM	#4
no caste Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,375	Re: This one is titled Pelosi... What a horrible woman she is... Well, at least buddy here in the 5-4 U.S. Supreme Court decision - a mighty dissent from Justice John Paul Stevens... Who are the other 5 idiots?????? WT(VERYBIG)FUP???? “The fact that corporations are different from human beings might seem to need no elaboration, except that the majority opinion almost completely eludes it… Unlike natural persons, corporations have ‘limited liability’ for their owners and managers, ‘perpetual life,’ separation of ownership and control, ‘and favorable treatment of the accumulation and distribution of assets . . . that enhance their ability to attract capital and to deploy their resources in ways that maximize the return on their shareholders’ investments.’ 494 U. S., at 658–659. Unlike voters in U. S. elections, corporations may be foreign controlled. Unlike other interest groups, business corporations have been ‘effectively delegated responsibility for ensuring society’s economic welfare’; they inescapably structure the life of every citizen. ‘[T]he resources in the treasury of a business corporation,’ furthermore, ‘are not an indication of popular support for the corporation’s political ideas.’ Id., at 659 (quoting MCFL, 479 U. S., at 258). ‘They reflect instead the economically motivated decisions of investors and customers. The availability of these resources may make a corporation a formidable political presence, even though the power of the corporation may be no reflection of the power of its ideas.’ 494 U. S., at 659 (quoting MCFL, 479 U. S., at 258). It might also be added that corporations have no consciences, no beliefs, no feelings, no thoughts, no desires. Corporations help structure and facilitate the activities of human beings, to be sure, and their ‘personhood’ often serves as a useful legal fiction. But they are not themselves members of ‘We the People’ by whom and for whom our Constitution was established. These basic points help explain why corporate electioneering is not only more likely to impair compelling governmental interests, but also why restrictions on that electioneering are less likely to encroach upon First Amendment freedoms.” Anyway.

01-28-2010, 07:02 AM	#5
Humble Janitor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,201	Re: This one is titled Pelosi... What a horrible woman she is... It does no good to complain about the politician du jour. They're all crooks, liars and thieves and I don't care if you like Obama or Ron Paul, they're all the same. From personal experience, I am dealing with crooks, liars and thieves as part of a state commission. Those are the folks that are really attracted to politics.

01-28-2010, 02:21 PM	#8
shybastid Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 145	Re: This one is titled Pelosi... What a horrible woman she is... Good thread.. I like it when posters basicly all agree on a topic. Sure makes it easier on my brain. I can understand nuts and bolts reality. I can "see" it. I get cloudy real fast on some of the topics here in Avalon. I 'want" to believe a lot of what I read...including "disclosure is imminent" but I've been tapping my foot for years now. I'm pretty sure Nancy Pelosi is a reptilian though. THAT I believe.

01-29-2010, 06:32 PM	#9
shybastid Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 145	Re: This one is titled Pelosi... What a horrible woman she is... I Rest My Case......Check Please...Oh It's On Me http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=123472

01-29-2010, 08:49 PM	#11
shybastid Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 145	Re: This one is titled Pelosi... What a horrible woman she is... Sorry Tango... I just cringe when I see Nancy Pelosi on TV. She gives me the creeps. I've never written more in a blog in my life. I'd reregister to vote if I were in her ward to vote her out. I see your in Arizona...Your welcome to visit here in Tahoe anytime. I'm a great host. Common up. We almost did a Camelot Conference here in Tahoe last October. I even spoke to Kerry about it. We might do one in May or June.Stay tuned.

01-30-2010, 02:32 AM	#13
shybastid Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 145	Re: This one is titled Pelosi... What a horrible woman she is... LOL... New Sheriff in Town? Arizona has a good Sheriff unless your a prisoner there. I don't know if I agree with his position of humiliating all incarcerated prisoners there, but at least he has some gonads on a Federal level. He WILL challange his and our constitutional rights as a Sherrif and OUR rights in jail. He "pushes " the envelope. At least it "looks" like democracy is being held accountable. Me? I'd stay away from Arizona if I were an undocumented entry into my country or a criminal. But thats just me. Arizona's Sheriff is a MoFo. AND He's proud of it. AND I woud'nt argue with that doode. Heh But that's just me.

01-25-2010, 04:54 AM	#15
Humble Janitor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,201	Re: This one is titled Pelosi... What a horrible woman she is... Also, the next time you complain about your taxes, just remember that local taxes go to support YOUR lifestyle. They pay for YOUR roads, they pay to keep YOU safe and they pay to educate YOUR children (or children of people YOU know). It's an imperfect system for sure and there's always room for reform. I can't say the same for federal taxes in regards to representation.

01-25-2010, 07:15 AM	#16
Tango Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: eating dessert in the desert of Arizona Posts: 1,554	Re: This one is titled Pelosi... What a horrible woman she is... Hey... Have you heard of Ray Stevens.... See, I think this will wake up more people than me... But, everyone HAS to Vote; to send these crooks Packing... Trooly, Tango

01-25-2010, 06:10 PM	#18
Northern Boy Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: On this Rock Posts: 1,390	Re: This one is titled Pelosi... What a horrible woman she is... YOU are not a nation of conservatives and liberals; YOU are a nation of constitutionally free human beings. The only ideas that we can agree upon stem from this one equality YOU give power to through your consent, equal protection under a rule of law. It is through this ratiocination that Republicans and Democrats proposition that they represent what is the best of the American way of life. “Join us!”, they say, “we believe in liberty, free markets, equality and a safer America!”, and you all know what they mean; liberty means you pay taxes and they don’t, liberty means say nothing of our corruption and we’ll hand you a conviction on middle management every-so-often, free market means freely open for upper echelon corruption and consolidation, equality means that you must be labeled, tracked and “secured” a place in your vision of society, safe means you are a terrorist until proven innocent, and safe means you must support the wars or “shut up”. As long as You hold true to right and left wing demagoguery You will forever have these problems as long as you continue to vote along party lines be they Republican or Democrat nothing will change. They have the money and every 4 years they come out to say they care about you so they can continue the charade when will the bell go off in some people`s heads that they are just using you to secure there place in the program . They are starting to run scared you now see them bringing security to their town hall meetings . At these meetings attempts are made to muzzle any disent. It has nothing to do with TEA FRIGGEN PARTY`S for christ sake your on a sinking ship don`t wait till its at the bottom to jump off!

01-25-2010, 10:29 AM	#19
Seashore Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,564	Re: This one is titled Pelosi... What a horrible woman she is... Let's don't fall into the left-right paradigm trap. We have to solve the problem of not being able to get good people past the primary election process and electronic voting fraud - both caused by the corruption of money in politics. It's all about money.

01-25-2010, 02:49 PM	#20
shybastid Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 145	Re: This one is titled Pelosi... What a horrible woman she is... I'm not a republican H. J. And I agree that if you put into a pension,you should get out your dough. All I'm saying is when Arnold mearly inquired into whether or not the amount of the teachers pension was a "tad" too much for the State he was trounced by the Teachers Union. And no, I don't want to be a government employee.