Prove it!

[sammytray]

Originally Posted by mudra

Beyond Belief-- Trusting Your Own Experience

My Truth cannot become yours, otherwise it would have been very cheap. If my truth could be yours then there would be no problem.

That is the difference between a scientific truth and a religious truth. A scientific truth can be borrowed. A scientific truth, once known, becomes everybody else's property. Albert Einstein discovered the theory of relativity. Now there is no need for everybody to discover it again and again and again. That would be foolish. Once discovered, it has become public. Now it is everybody's theory. Once discovered, once proved, now even a school child can learn it. Now no genius is needed--- you need not be an Albert Einstein. Just a mediocre mind will do; just an ordinary mind will do. You can understand it and it is yours. Of course, Einstein had to work for years--- then he was able to discover it. You need not work. If you are ready to understand and put your mind to it, in just a few hours you will understand.

But the same is not true about a religious truth. Buddha discovered, Christ discovered, Nanak and Kabir discovered, but their discovery cannot become your discovery. You will have to rediscover it again. You will have to move again from ABC; you cannot just believe in them. That won't help. But that is what humanity has been doing: mistaking religious truth for scientific truth. It is not scientific truth, it can never become a public property. Each individual has to come to it alone, each individual has to come to it again and again. It can never become available in the market.

From: Osho New Man for the New Millennium

Love Always
mudra

Wow , thanks for this mudra

Little worried about "each individual has to come to it alone". It seems like its a little late and the time is short. Meaning, i wish that we would have woken up A LONG time ago.

[sammytray]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Spiritual truth is a subjective experience, however every Sage has said the same thing from that subjective experience.
They are all agreed that God is Love. Personal subjective experience confirms this. They can only point the way to this experience.
Its up to the individual to discover this for themselves as subjective experience if they wish to do so. It takes time and dedication.
Jesus said. "Even the wisest of my disciples will enter heaven through faith alone".

Dr David Hawkins uses kinesology to confirm what he knows for the benefit of others. therefore there is confirmation of his experience and spiritual truth that he shares.

Incidentally he says that what one bird knows all birds know.
Maybe the human race is heading in this direction. Who knows!!!

Chris

I like where you went with this Chris.... Hard to know the truth i suppose. Time and dedicationz; your not kiddin! I suppose majority need a little assistance.. (PROOF) to help kick them in ass a bit.

[sammytray]

One more thing...

People for a lonnnnggggg time accepted that the earth was flat. This was there truth. Well it had to be proven otherwise. it was.

[folotheflo]

hello sammytray,

This is a brilliant thread for many reasons, my favorite being, that you allow the reader to ponder the possibility that we, as a race of beings, might HAVE to go through the darkness/ the chaos/ the bad/ the evil, or what ever we choose to call that extreme of the spectrum.
Most of us perceive this area of the spectrum as 'bad'. But love-hate, good-evil, order-chaos, posotive-negative, these are just our ways to explain duality, when does hot become cold, they are both the extreme opposites of the same spectrum, temperature.
Negative is not 'bad', death needs to be acheived before new life can grow again, one can not exist with out the other.

And so maybe we all do need to go through the chaos, maybe this is the necessary lesson.

No matter, all is as it should be, it can be no other way. All of life is unfolding just as it needs to, to acheive what it needs.

So i feel you to be right, sammytray, most of us are to afraid to tell the truth,to show the proof, of who we really are.

AND SO MANY OF US MAY KNOW THE TRUTH, BUT DO NOTHING ABOUT IT !!

But you do, you have the courage to express it here, and your courage seeps into me, and maybe many others.
So you have already raised the 'vibration'.

Maybe we don't need chaos after all,
who knows ?

[sammytray]

thank you for your insight!

I'm calling out those who know the truth, who have the proof...
the proof will set you free!

Originally Posted by folotheflo

hello sammytray,

This is a brilliant thread for many reasons, my favorite being, that you allow the reader to ponder the possibility that we, as a race of beings, might HAVE to go through the darkness/ the chaos/ the bad/ the evil, or what ever we choose to call that extreme of the spectrum.
Most of us perceive this area of the spectrum as 'bad'. But love-hate, good-evil, order-chaos, posotive-negative, these are just our ways to explain duality, when does hot become cold, they are both the extreme opposites of the same spectrum, temperature.
Negative is not 'bad', death needs to be acheived before new life can grow again, one can not exist with out the other.

And so maybe we all do need to go through the chaos, maybe this is the necessary lesson.

No matter, all is as it should be, it can be no other way. All of life is unfolding just as it needs to, to acheive what it needs.

So i feel you to be right, sammytray, most of us are to afraid to tell the truth,to show the proof, of who we really are.

AND SO MANY OF US MAY KNOW THE TRUTH, BUT DO NOTHING ABOUT IT !!

But you do, you have the courage to express it here, and your courage seeps into me, and maybe many others.
So you have already raised the 'vibration'.

Maybe we don't need chaos after all,
who knows ?

[conkroach]

Originally Posted by sammytray

I have heard of muscle testing..... Some/most reports are that it is not accurate however, I can "see" how this could work.

Greybeard mentioned Dr. David Hawkins. Read Dr. Hawkin's books and be convinced of the efficacy of muscle testing. Like I said, we conducted informal experiments at home, with 100% rate of success. The person being tested had absolutely no knowledge of the item in question, yet managed to determine the 'truth' of it's effect on the human body.

[sammytray]

Originally Posted by conkroach

Greybeard mentioned Dr. David Hawkins. Read Dr. Hawkin's books and be convinced of the efficacy of muscle testing. Like I said, we conducted informal experiments at home, with 100% rate of success. The person being tested had absolutely no knowledge of the item in question, yet managed to determine the 'truth' of it's effect on the human body.

Thanks Conkroach, I will check it out! 100% rate of success?? I guess that is "proof"