The book of Enoch, the cover up and the truth hidden by the church

[happyhollergal]

I've been told by several people that I should read the book of Enoch, which if I understand correctly, is approximately 180 chapters long. I am now curious enough to take on this examination.

I would like to suggest to you, timetotelltheworld, that if you want your message to be received and considered, you may want to brush up on your writing skills a bit. It's very difficult to follow what you're trying to say here. A well thought out presentation would be beneficial to those of us who may be interested in what you're trying to tell us about the book of Enoch. I'm not trying to sound critical at all. I just think that more people might be willing to discuss this subject that is obviously of great importance to you, if you were to take your time writing, and create sentences that make sense. Good luck to you.

[timetotelltheworld]

I find it interesting that when you cant show any way to argue the points which are clear as the air we breathe you find a need to belittle and degrade.....

Points............Ezekiel and Daniel not profits fallen angels ,Crystal palace shown in Nasa Photos mentioned in the book of , enoch, grave site in isreal with Yahweh and Asharas name on it.....and just the basic info + Gospel of Judas saying your not getting there.........so be critical of grammer and try to distract from these points........but what you can try and keep people from looking at is all that art everywhere in Europe depicting Christ with what UFOs

they murdered all that i love and this is utter BS when i know that there is an almost infinate number of parallels like this one ......and no moral delema no heavan or hell......light energy which carries conscienceness and has free will what did i just describe the human soul.......

enjoy the ride to the death camps i wont be going and if im right they will regret all of this

Originally Posted by happyhollergal

I've been told by several people that I should read the book of Enoch, which if I understand correctly, is approximately 180 chapters long. I am now curious enough to take on this examination.

I would like to suggest to you, timetotelltheworld, that if you want your message to be received and considered, you may want to brush up on your writing skills a bit. It's very difficult to follow what you're trying to say here. A well thought out presentation would be beneficial to those of us who may be interested in what you're trying to tell us about the book of Enoch. I'm not trying to sound critical at all. I just think that more people might be willing to discuss this subject that is obviously of great importance to you, if you were to take your time writing, and create sentences that make sense. Good luck to you.

[timetotelltheworld]

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Deuteronomy 2:11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.

Deuteronomy 2:20-21 That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims; A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead:

Deuteronomy 3:11-13 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? Nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man. And this land, which we possessed at that time, from Aroer, which is by the river Arnon, and half mount Gilead, and the cities thereof, gave I unto the Reubenites and to the Gadites. And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants.

Deuteronomy 9:2 A people great and tall, the children of the Anakims, whom thou knowest, and of whom thou hast heard say, Who can stand before the children of Anak!

Joshua 12:4 And the coast of Og king of Bashan, which was of the remnant of the giants, that dwelt at Ashtaroth and at Edrei,

Joshua 13:12 All the kingdom of Og in Bashan, which reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei, who remained of the remnant of the giants: for these did Moses smite, and cast them out.

Joshua 15:8 And the border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom unto the south side of the Jebusite; the same is Jerusalem: and the border went up to the top of the mountain that lieth before the valley of Hinnom westward, which is at the end of the valley of the giants northward:

Joshua 17:15 And Joshua answered them, If thou be a great people, then get thee up to the wood country, and cut down for thyself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the giants, if mount Ephraim be too narrow for thee.

Joshua 18:16-17 And the border came down to the end of the mountain that lieth before the valley of the son of Hinnom, and which is in the valley of the giants on the north, and descended to the valley of Hinnom, to the side of Jebusi on the south, and descended to Enrogel, And was drawn from the north, and went forth to Enshemesh, and went forth toward Geliloth, which is over against the going up of Adummim, and descended to the stone of Bohan the son of Reuben,

2 Samual 21:20 And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.

1 Chronicles 20:6 And yet again there was war at Gath, where was a man of great stature, whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand, and six on each foot: and he also was the son of the giant.

[WiNaDeYo]

Dear Timetotelltheworld! I, for one, am following your thread with great interest and greatly appreciate the message you are trying to make.

I knew about the book of Enoch but had never read it until this past April at my mom's request to take a look into the Aprocrypha. What I have is called "The Secrets of Enoch" which are in a collection called "The Forgotten Books of Eden".

Now, help me, please, to understand. I have begun researching this info (for my own understanding) and found that there are 3 Books of Enoch: Enoch1, Enoch2 and an apparently less important Enoch3. Which one are you quoting?

I feel that to understand who "we" are and who "they" (ETs, Nephilim, Gods, Sons of the Gods, ets.) are (to which members of this forum dedicate so much precious time), these ancient texts are SO important... whether they be Mayan, Egyptian, Hopi, Caldean, Persian, Hindu or whatever!

I do believe that all of the most ancient peoples who have left messages for us to decifer, left them for a reason, and those of us who feel it our mission to decifer them must do just that. Those of you who do not care, or would rather have others do the work and wait for the report... well, wait then.

Thank you, Beren, Historycircus and Truthseekerdan for your valuable input.

Gscraig and Rozzy, we're not talking "church" because, as you know, these texts are not part of the "Bible" ; they are just other ancient texts to discover and decifer. No big deal unless we can learn something new, which I think we can.

Moxie...I don't see that your post was pertinent although it is always a very important message.

And, Timetotelltheworld...I have already found some really interesting research done with the book of Enoch that you haven't mentioned....but I don't want to distract the thread...maybe later when you have proven your thesis...ok?

Peace and Good Will to all of you!

[timetotelltheworld]

Originally Posted by WiNaDeYo

Dear Timetotelltheworld! I, for one, am following your thread with great interest and greatly appreciate the message you are trying to make.

I knew about the book of Enoch but had never read it until this past April at my mom's request to take a look into the Aprocrypha. What I have is called "The Secrets of Enoch" which are in a collection called "The Forgotten Books of Eden".

Now, help me, please, to understand. I have begun researching this info (for my own understanding) and found that there are 3 Books of Enoch: Enoch1, Enoch2 and an apparently less important Enoch3. Which one are you quoting?

I feel that to understand who "we" are and who "they" (ETs, Nephilim, Gods, Sons of the Gods, ets.) are (to which members of this forum dedicate so much precious time), these ancient texts are SO important... whether they be Mayan, Egyptian, Hopi, Caldean, Persian, Hindu or whatever!

I do believe that all of the most ancient peoples who have left messages for us to decifer, left them for a reason, and those of us who feel it our mission to decifer them must do just that. Those of you who do not care, or would rather have others do the work and wait for the report... well, wait then.

Thank you, Beren, Historycircus and Truthseekerdan for your valuable input.

Gscraig and Rozzy, we're not talking "church" because, as you know, these texts are not part of the "Bible" ; they are just other ancient texts to discover and decifer. No big deal unless we can learn something new, which I think we can.

Moxie...I don't see that your post was pertinent although it is always a very important message.

And, Timetotelltheworld...I have already found some really interesting research done with the book of Enoch that you haven't mentioned....but I don't want to distract the thread...maybe later when you have proven your thesis...ok?

Peace and Good Will to all of you!

enoch 1
and if you look at it all of it............it tells us a lot and people still line up to discredit it..........Jesus Christ quoted Enoch so did many others and they got rid of this book they didnt just get rid of it they BANNED IT.....BURNED IT........BURIED IT..........DESTROYED IT..........CHANGED ALL OF IT.....WHY BECAUSE WE ARE LIVING A CON STARTED 2009 YEARS AGO

And yes angels aliens same damn thing sorry but its the truth

i know many cant accept this truth but just look its everywhere

ezekiel talks about what
wheel in the sky......ufo.......also many will be imprisoned as a test to theyre faith come on........ Come on little sheep get in line for your ride to the fema camps .................the harvest is waiting

daniel....................in the end times the angels feast on the flesh of man .....................except these arent profits they re fallen angels..............this was never yahwehs plan..............its a con after they got rid of the god of man ...........not the same as the god of the universe...................he was here and they got rid of him and his wife ashara and changed history to erase him......so people would accept the con and not realize it.........
How hard would it have been 2000 years ago to convince a bunch of sheep herders on a hill side of anything considering technology has always been there...................easy ............people flying around in ufos in they're eyes = ''''''''''''''''''gods'''''''''''''''''''''''and they have been playing us the whole damn time...............but people would rather not know the truth it upsets what they have been taught and it scares them

ive seen them shapeshift my family was murdered over this **** and i will expose them any damn way i can

[Rozzy]

Originally Posted by timetotelltheworld

except that yahweh and yeshua are two different entities........

????

Yahweh = mistranslation of יהוה

Yeshua = Aramaic = ישוע

I hope that makes it so very clear that you can not possibly equate the two without knowing the difference.

Note.
Yahuah and Yahushuah are not separate entities of and by themselves but are one in that there is one God having visited us in the form of a man, that man is Yahushuah HaMashiach

[gscraig]

Yet another thread of humans arguing what the truth is, from a book that is proclaimed to be the truth, but yet creates so much disarray, confusion and falsehoods.

We have to first remember that the bible is a "compilation" of writings. This we all know, and we all know what "compilation means. Most of us know that there are several books of writings that was never included in the bible. As shared via another thread the following;

The Bible is a great book, but it is an incomplete body of work. There are 7 books of writings that are not included in the Old Testament and several not in the New Testament. What that profoundly tells us is that what we know from the bible is not in its entirety. Secondly those who compiled the writings for forming The Bible, also had jurisdiction over what the masses would know and what they would not know. Let that sit with you for a moment.

Each of you are engaged in the same disputes that has been engaged by thousands of scholars, priests, etc for centuries and the result has come down to what each choose to believe (hence, Religion is born). Basically, what you're doing now. All of this is derived from each of these individuals feeling like they have extracted the truth and true meaning from the bible (which is a compilation of different writings/books).

However, and interestingly enough, this dispute does not apply to the indegenous/ancient cultures (humans) on this planet such as the Indians, Africans, Sumarians, Mayans, etc. Their belief systems have absolutely nothing to do with the bible, and did not leave writings and teachings of God and Jesus for their descendants to follow/worship. Again "most" is the operative word.
Please note; historically, the people who conquers the lands force their beliefs and cultures on those conquered. Look at the American Slavery Era, and the belief systems (and names) of most of the African Americans today to better understand this concept.
It's all curious, because so much of the biblical events unfolded in an area of the planet where dark brown to brown skinned people populated/emerged and historically evolved, but yet much of those whom are depicted in the bible and as part of these events are just the opposite in appearance?
Why did God somehow bypass these other cultures and humans on the planet with his revelations for man? The teachings of Jesus? After all, they were a part of his creation too, no? Hell, the Mormons believe the dark skinned humans were born to a pale-skinned family as punishment from a previous sin of man. It is all quite unbelievably silly...in my opinion.

Our past has been so well manipulated through ignorance, misunderstanding and self serving purposes that none of us will no the truth, only what we believe personally, and believing IS NOT knowing anything. Hold whatever you choose to believe in close to your heart, but outside of that, you are only expressing an opinion.

I tire from this dispute, because NONE OF US know the answers, at the least, not all of them. Please, stop proclaiming that we do.

[timetotelltheworld]

There is a lot in the depiction of gods anger at what the angels did to his world, then there is this......

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe017.htm
EZEKIEL AND DANIEL FALLEN ANGELS NOT PROFITS

BUT THIS IS NOT JUST A COINCIDENCE

Behold, in the vision clouds invited me and a mist summoned me, and the course of the stars and the lightnings sped and hastened me, and the winds in the vision caused me to fly and lifted me upward, and bore me into heaven. 9. And I went in till I drew nigh to a wall which is built of crystals and surrounded by tongues of fire: and it began to affright me. And I went into the tongues of fire and drew nigh to a large house which was built of crystals: and the walls of the house were like a tesselated floor (made) of crystals, and its groundwork was of crystal. 11. Its ceiling was like the path of the stars and the lightnings, and between them were fiery cherubim, and their heaven was (clear as) water. 12. A flaming fire surrounded the walls, and its portals blazed with fire. 13. And I entered into that house, and it was hot as fire and cold as ice: there were no delights of life therein: fear covered me, and trembling got hold upon me. 14. And as I quaked and trembled, I fell upon my face. 15. And I beheld a vision, And lo! there was a second house, greater than the former,

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and the entire portal stood open before me, and it was built of flames of fire. 16. And in every respect it so excelled in splendour and magnificence and extent that I cannot describe to you its splendour and its extent. 17. And its floor was of fire, and above it were lightnings and the path of the stars, and its ceiling also was flaming fire. 18. And I looked and saw ⌈⌈therein⌉⌉ a lofty throne: its appearance was as crystal, and the wheels thereof as the shining sun, and there was the vision of cherubim. 19. And from underneath the throne came streams of flaming fire so that I could not look thereon. 20. And the Great Glory sat thereon, and His raiment shone more brightly than the sun and was whiter than any snow. 21. None of the angels could enter and could behold His face by reason of the magnificence and glory and no flesh could behold Him. 22. The flaming fire was round about Him, and a great fire stood before Him, and none around could draw nigh Him: ten thousand times ten thousand (stood) before Him, yet He needed no counselor. 23. And the most holy ones who were nigh to Him did not leave by night nor depart from Him. 24. And until then I had been prostrate on my face, trembling: and the Lord called me with His own mouth, and said to me: 'Come hither, Enoch, and hear my word.' 25. ⌈And one of the holy ones came to me and waked me⌉, and He made me rise up and approach the door: and I bowed my face downwards.

NOW LOOK AT THE CASTLE PHOTOGRAPHED BY APPOLLO 10 SUSPENDED OVER THE LUNAR SURFACE MADE OF WHAT CRYSTAL

IN THE 3RD AND 10TH FRAME
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/esp_luna_26.htm

FUNNY THEY HAVE BEEN COVERING IT UP FOR NEARLY 40 YEARS WHY BECAUSE ITS A TROPHY AND ITS THE SAME PALACE DEPICTED IN THE BOOK OF ENOCH.........NEXT HIS GRAVE SITE

[timetotelltheworld]

genesis 6-3
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh also

IS THIS THEY'RE GRAVE BILL DEEVER SEEMS TO JUST SKIP OVER THE FACT THAT IT WAS FOUND AT A GRAVE SITE AND SEEMS TO SKIP OVER WHO'S GRAVE IT WAS AND YET IT LINKS YAHWEH TO ASHARA AND THEYRE NAMES ARE THE LARGEST ON THE STONE..........WATCH AND LEARN


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sw-NFvueK8

[timetotelltheworld]

then there is the story of the war in the heavans and when you look at this photo of the moon what do you see..........open your eyes.........does it really look like asteroids or what it really is CARPET BOMBING.........EVERY CRATOR IS ROUND,symeterical,,,,,,AND IN A PATTERN OF FLY BYS..........

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancie..._Lunar_07.html

[timetotelltheworld]

And that's part of the great deception and I will prove it to you with archeological evidence and scripture and the book of Enoch , he lived he hello walked with Noah he walked with adem and eve what your confused by is the force Luke Yahweh and his wife Ashara were here. And you have no idea how powerful his will is you just can't imagine .......yet but you keep beliveing the con. Or maybe you should go back and read the book of genesis for tomorrow I will show you his palace and his grave and where the war in the heavans really was and what they did to his kingdom give you a hint those craters were not from asteroids trust me when I tell you I know what talking about. Yahweh means "I am" and he was very real all you have to do is read his dialogue with adem and eve or Moses or Noah or Enoch and you will see he was as put in Genesis man was created in his image did you get that "his" but the bible is so screwed up and not remotely the way Abraham and oters origionally wrote it and he also said I am a jealous god you will only worship me. And me me in basic English grammer does not mean a hand in the sky.

Originally Posted by truthseekerdan

All I can tell you my friend is that YHWH (Yahweh) can not lose because it is not a being, it's the force (power) behind everything in the universe.

Love and Light

[truthseekerdan]

Originally Posted by timetotelltheworld

And that's part of the great deception and I will prove it to you with archeological evidence and scripture and the book of Enoch , he lived he hello walked with Noah he walked with adem and eve what your confused by is the force Luke Yahweh and his wife Ashara were here. And you have no idea how powerful his will is you just can't imagine .......yet but you keep beliveing the con. Or maybe you should go back and read the book of genesis for tomorrow I will show you his palace and his grave and where the war in the heavans really was and what they did to his kingdom give you a hint those craters were not from asteroids trust me when I tell you I know what talking about. Yahweh means "I am" and he was very real all you have to do is read his dialogue with adem and eve or Moses or Noah or Enoch and you will see he was as put in Genesis man was created in his image did you get that "his" but the bible is so screwed up and not remotely the way Abraham and oters origionally wrote it and he also said I am a jealous god you will only worship me. And me me in basic English grammer does not mean a hand in the sky.

The great deception is only for people who don't do their homework the right way. Please read my signature and my post above.

Love and Light

[Rozzy]

Chuckle, snarf, I do not know where to even start here except to say you guys have really taken the bate.

The book of 1Enoch has never been scripture and was considered a major heresy as far as it can be tracked. The only ones to keep it in their very loose canon is the Ethiopic Church, and those guys actually think they also have the real Ark.
In the year 382 Jerome was given the job to produce a standardized Latin text, at this juncture he knew he could not insert the book of Enoch but he wanted the doctrines in it so what he did is to insert 2 Peter and Jude which were never considered scripture and to this day are considered to be pseudepigrapha. Both 2 Peter and Jude quote 1Enoch and by doing this he inserted a major part of the fear doctrine being taught today by the churches.

Example of ludicrous statements of 1Enoch: Nephilim 3000 ells tall
Go figure out how tall that is and see if you believe it.

Just a sample boys and gals, that is just a sample.

[timetotelltheworld]

then WHY IS ENOCH MENTIONED IN GENESIS AND JUDE
there is a lot in the book of enoch which tells about 200 angels coming down and fcking Yahwehs plans then Yahweh decides to go after them


The powers that b have kept the public in the dark about a lot for a very long time........



CHAPTER X.
1. Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, and said to him: 2. '〈Go to Noah〉 and tell him in my name "Hide thyself!" and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. 3. And now instruct him that he may escape and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world.' 4. And again the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azâzêl hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening in the desert, which is in Dûdâêl, and cast him therein. 5. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may not see light. 6. And on the day of the great judgement he shall be cast into the fire. And heal the earth which the angels have corrupted, and proclaim the healing of the earth, that they may heal the plague, and that all the children of men may not perish through all the secret things that the Watchers have disclosed and have taught their sons. 8. And the whole earth has been corrupted through the works that were taught by Azâzêl: to him ascribe all sin.' 9. And to Gabriel said the Lord: 'Proceed against the bastards and the reprobates, and against the children of fornication: and destroy [the children of fornication and] the children of the Watchers from amongst men [and cause them to go forth]: send them one against the other that they may destroy each other in battle: for length of days shall they not have. 10. And no request that they (i.e. their fathers) make of thee shall be granted unto their fathers on their behalf; for they hope to live an eternal life, and that each one of them will live five hundred years.' 11. And the Lord said unto Michael: 'Go, bind Semjâzâ and

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his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves with them in all their uncleanness. 12. And when their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, till the day of their judgement and of their consummation, till the judgement that is for ever and ever is consummated. 13. In those days they shall be led off to the abyss of fire: 〈and〉 to the torment and the prison in which they shall be confined for ever. And whosoever shall be condemned and destroyed will from thenceforth be bound together with them to the end of all generations. 15. And destroy all the spirits of the reprobate and the children of the Watchers, because they have wronged mankind. Destroy all wrong from the face of the earth and let every evil work come to an end: and let the plant of righteousness and truth appear: ⌈and it shall prove a blessing; the works of righteousness and truth⌉ shall be planted in truth and joy for evermore.

17 And then shall all the righteous escape,
And shall live till they beget thousands of children,
And all the days of their youth and their old age
Shall they complete in peace.

18 And then shall the whole earth be tilled in righteousness, and shall all be planted with trees and be full of blessing. 19. And all desirable trees shall be planted on it, and they shall plant vines on it: and the vine which they plant thereon shall yield wine in abundance, and as for all the seed which is sown thereon each measure (of it) shall bear a thousand, and each measure of olives shall yield ten presses of oil. 20. And cleanse thou the earth from all oppression, and from all unrighteousness, and from all sin, and from all godlessness: and all the uncleanness that is wrought upon the earth destroy from off the earth. 21. ⌈And all the children of men shall become righteous⌉, and all nations shall

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offer adoration and shall praise Me, and all shall worship Me. And the earth shall be cleansed from all defilement, and from all sin, and from all punishment, and from all torment, and I will never again send (them) upon it from generation to generation and for ever.

Originally Posted by Rozzy

Chuckle, snarf, I do not know where to even start here except to say you guys have really taken the bate.

The book of 1Enoch has never been scripture and was considered a major heresy as far as it can be tracked. The only ones to keep it in their very loose canon is the Ethiopic Church, and those guys actually think they also have the real Ark.
In the year 382 Jerome was given the job to produce a standardized Latin text, at this juncture he knew he could not insert the book of Enoch but he wanted the doctrines in it so what he did is to insert 2 Peter and Jude which were never considered scripture and to this day are considered to be pseudepigrapha. Both 2 Peter and Jude quote 1Enoch and by doing this he inserted a major part of the fear doctrine being taught today by the churches.

Example of ludicrous statements of 1Enoch: Nephilim 3000 ells tall
Go figure out how tall that is and see if you believe it.

Just a sample boys and gals, that is just a sample.

and we dont know how large the first humans were perhaps just under 5 feet so an ell that could be a type 0 from a very long time ago or another way to discredit enoch all im saying is all this is worth looking at for one simple reason

THE GOSPEL OF JUDAS COMES NEXT IN THIS EQUATION

[timetotelltheworld]

Now let me bring your attention to post 40 enoch is not the only place which talked about giants but keep trying and hide the truth problem is that they may have made this book almost vanish from history but take a look at whats still in the bible

Originally Posted by rozzy

Chuckle, snarf, i do not know where to even start here except to say you guys have really taken the bate.

The book of 1enoch has never been scripture and was considered a major heresy as far as it can be tracked. The only ones to keep it in their very loose canon is the ethiopic church, and those guys actually think they also have the real ark.
In the year 382 jerome was given the job to produce a standardized latin text, at this juncture he knew he could not insert the book of enoch but he wanted the doctrines in it so what he did is to insert 2 peter and jude which were never considered scripture and to this day are considered to be pseudepigrapha. Both 2 peter and jude quote 1enoch and by doing this he inserted a major part of the fear doctrine being taught today by the churches.

Example of ludicrous statements of 1enoch: Nephilim 3000 ells tall
go figure out how tall that is and see if you believe it.

Just a sample boys and gals, that is just a sample.

[Rozzy]

timetotelltheworld

You have no idea what I believe or why I believe it so I am not sure why you are coming at me.

First off you have to look at things objectively, if you have a horse in the race then you are not going to be very objective.

First off there were giants in the land, you can quote that from any number of sources. That in and of itself does not corroborate any thing to do with the book Enoch.

The gnostic view on things certainly did exist, is there any good reason to believe they were right, no.

The man Enoch lived about five thousand years ago, if he wrote anything it would be in glyph form on clay or stone, where are they?

The text of 1Enoch has many inconsistencies and is not one writing but the product of the inclusion of several and obviously not by the same writer. It has been a long time since I studied the book of Enoch but you can do it just as good as I can.

The book of Enoch was written by some one using his name but obviously not him, it is a pseudepigrapha, that is indisputable fact.

The problem with the book of Enoch as far as scripture goes for the time it was written is two fold, it was written at a late date by some one other than Enoch and it goes against the teachings in the Torah that predate it by thousands of years. The original Hebrews never believed in the end of the world stuff or eternity in hell etc. The early christians never believed that either until the Roman church inserted it into the text. Yet that is what that little book preaches, it is a dangerous little book because it confuses people on either side of the issues it speaks to. The book of Enoch neither agrees with the Tanakh nor the early christian beliefs, it only agrees with the manipulated texts and manipulated doctrines of the fifth century onward church.

[Rozzy]

What may come as a surprise to you is that the pre-christian Hebrew and the early Christian Hebrew and Gentile believed that after death people would go through a time of correction and purification and would then enter another life. They knew people would die and live again. They believed all people will live again, be born into a new life. That is the reason the intertestamental books were removed from the Bible. They were banned by the Bible societies around 1885 and were in the OT since as far back as can be discerned that any written scripture existed.
The book of Enoch contradicts the book of Isaiah and Ezekiel which in itself is no small thing.

[timetotelltheworld]

We do agree on a lot and this points to exactly what I have been saying, the point i have been trying to make is that in the book of enoch Ezekiel and Daniel listed as fallen angels not profits.

Gospel of Judas says they will grieve a great deal because someone will replace them and I keep saying were being replaced

Originally Posted by Rozzy

What may come as a surprise to you is that the pre-christian Hebrew and the early Christian Hebrew and Gentile believed that after death people would go through a time of correction and purification and would then enter another life. They knew people would die and live again. They believed all people will live again, be born into a new life. That is the reason the intertestamental books were removed from the Bible. They were banned by the Bible societies around 1885 and were in the OT since as far back as can be discerned that any written scripture existed.
The book of Enoch contradicts the book of Isaiah and Ezekiel which in itself is no small thing.

[Rozzy]

timetotelltheworld

It has been a long time since i read the Gospel of Judas so I do not remember it specifics but i must ask, why do you believe the Gospel of Judas?

Where do you get the idea Enoch, Daniel and Ezekiel are fallen angels?
I seem to be missing some thing here.

[Rozzy]

The leap of the list of watchers to Daniel and Ezekiel I must say is a pretty big one, you had me stumped there because Enoch was around 2500 years before the OT Daniel and Ezekiel.
To big a stretch for me.

[timetotelltheworld]

time is not the way we precieve it not linear and they live a lot longer then we do I have seen many here that do not age they get older but they do not age
and in answer to that question right here

1. And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. 2. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.' 3. And Semjâzâ, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' 4. And they all answered

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him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' 5. Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. 6. And they were in all two hundred; who descended ⌈in the days⌉ of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. 7. And these are the names of their leaders: Sêmîazâz, their leader, Arâkîba, Râmêêl, Kôkabîêl, Tâmîêl, Râmîêl, Dânêl, Êzêqêêl, Barâqîjâl, Asâêl, Armârôs, Batârêl, Anânêl, Zaqîêl, Samsâpêêl, Satarêl, Tûrêl, Jômjâêl, Sariêl. 8. These are their chiefs of tens.

Next: Chapter VII

Originally Posted by Rozzy

The leap of the list of watchers to Daniel and Ezekiel I must say is a pretty big one, you had me stumped there because Enoch was around 2500 years before the OT Daniel and Ezekiel.
To big a stretch for me.

[Rozzy]

Now I remember, the Gospel of Judas is the conspiracy theories of all conspiracies, hoky dinah, ya I remember that little gnostic arrow of a book, it is pretty well anti everything if i remember right, chuckle.

[timetotelltheworld]

well it was in the codex and the codex is being quoted by many and I saw them shapeshift I know they are here and I know where I'm going another parallel

Originally Posted by Rozzy

Now I remember, the Gospel of Judas is the conspiracy theories of all conspiracies, hoky dinah, ya I remember that little gnostic arrow of a book, it is pretty well anti everything if i remember right, chuckle.

[timetotelltheworld]

I should have included this look in other copies of the book of Enoch and people back then lived a very long time itwas necessary so they could propragate the planet , how manipulation of D.N.A. Sumarians had tablets and so did Egyptians showing D.N.A. Strands so technology has always been there just not for us. just look at the mountains of evidence in art and hirogliphs it's everywhere. Just look

P.s. No mention of the giza pyramids being built In the bible yet there they stand many believe they are thousands of years older then the first known records yet again this is a multiverse an infinate number of parallels many copies of us and many senarios being played out, some no war for independence some no Nazi Germany different yet the same. Were they're bloodsport and never yahwehs plan. Look at those links to those photos of the moon it's carpet bombing from a long time ago just look at it. We went there to see the relics we could see in our telescopes and were told to leave the masters are them aliens and angels the same thing. This copy of Enoch is from the sacred texts

VI-XI. The Fall of the Angels: the Demoralisation of Mankind: the Intercession of the Angels on behalf of Mankind. The Dooms pronounced by God on the Angels: the Messianic Kingdom (a Noah fragment).

[timetotelltheworld]

nothing is as it seems................

Many parallels of this,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,we are their blood sport and finally batteries for alien ships...........

Originally Posted by rozzy

the leap of the list of watchers to daniel and ezekiel i must say is a pretty big one, you had me stumped there because enoch was around 2500 years before the ot daniel and ezekiel.
To big a stretch for me.