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Why has geometry not been 'metricked'? Why 360 degrees intstead of 1, 10, 100 or even 1000?
Because one of the essential varibales in geometry is the number three. For example, three being a factor of 180 means that an equilateral triangle has angles of 60 degrees. What would their angles be in a metric system? The degree is an arbitrary unit; basically any division of a circle would work as a system of measurement. The degree has the advantage that 360 divides evenly by 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9 & 10 making it easy to mentally calculate an angle; indeed this is the major advantage of all old imperial units. There is a more fundamental unit call the Radian. This is the angle subtended by an arc of a circle equal in length to its radius. Since the circumference of a circle is 2 x pi x radius one there are 2 pi, or 6.283, Radians in a circle. This is fine for calculations on angular motion but difficult to work out in your head. We inherited 360 degrees from the Babylonians, but many ancient societies were highly interested in astronomy and in some (megalithic Britain?) had 366 degrees in a circle. This is logical, since the earth turns on its axis 366 times a year. Their measurements seem to have been interrelated and not arbitrary as a metrically divided circle would be. The Babylonians probably reduced this to 360 as it divides so much more easily by many factors. When working on an archaeological dig near Rome, I was once given a theodolite to set up. After some time struggling to get it to work, I noticed that the scale on which horizontal angles were measured read 400 degrees rather than 360. My supervisor told me that this was and old piece of equipment, once part of an attempt to metricise the circle. I'm not sure whether this was purely an Italian initiative or not! The Babylonians gave us the 360-degree circle. That number turns out to be the smallest one whose quotient is an integer when divided by any whole number from 1 through 10 (except for 7, which may have added to seven's stature as a "magic number". I've heard that (at least in the U.S. military), artillery batteries use a 1000-degree circle for more accuracy, so -- if true -- at least that's a start. Both Babylonians and Chinese used sexagesimal system which means they had 59 figures rather than 9 (zero was invented much later). Although they did have a figure for 10 so their number 11 was still written as figure of 10 next to figure of 1. The origin of this is not known for sure although they were obviously influenced by astronomy and the fact that there are (almost) 360 days in a year. They also came up with sixty minutes in the hour, 24 hours a day. This is only another example of the slipping of school standards that we only expect school children to only know 9 figures (and zero) Because you usually want to know how far round the circle you are, and you can divide 360 into many more useful fractions. Indeed, the unit favoured by mathematicians isn't the degree but the radian. Twice pi (6.2831853...) radians equals 360 degrees. So rather than 90 degrees you say 'pi-over-two radians.' 360 has many more divisors than 10, 100, 1000 etc. Therefore a circle can be divided more easily into many diferent equal parts - 2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10...... Try doing that with 100 or 1000. http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqu...185569,00.html Last edited by BROOK; 11-25-2009 at 04:47 AM. |
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am following this with great interest,
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Glad your are following Boudicca
![]() ![]() Okay..this one has a center point, with a solar system point, and the circumference would be easy to add with the center point It's a little smaller..but might be usable? ![]() |
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OK, one problem is that our solar system is tilted 90 degrees to the galaxial plane. Like if you took a quarter and stood it on edge on top of another quarter. So not only are we at a 90 degree angle but we're also oscillating up and down through the galaxial plane, putting a lot of variables into play here.
![]() EXPLANATION OF THE MODEL: It is not simple to position of our Solar System with respect to the Plane of the galaxy -the Milky Way. There are few books of Astronomy screening a diagram of the coplanarity of the Solar System with the galaxy, so we regularly think that what is "up" or north for the Earth it is also "up" or north for the galaxy. However, the plane of the Solar System is not coplanar with the plane of the Milky Way, but it is tilted almost 90°. The Solar System describes three kinds of motion, each one at a specific speed and with a limited alternation: 1. The wider and fastest movement is the orbital motion of the Solar System around the nucleus of our galaxy. The speed of the Solar System orbital motion around the center of the galaxy is 217.215 Km/s. The Solar System completes one track around the galaxy each ~226 million years. 2. The second movement, described in most of astronomy books, is the oscillation of the Solar System from north to south and vice versa with respect to the galactic plane. It is a swing upwards and downwards, determined mainly by the gravitational pull among the celestial bodies in the Solar System. The speed of this movement is of 7 Km/second. 3. The third movement is in route towards the center of the galaxy and the order reversed or moving away from the center of the galaxy. It is also a swinging movement, but influenced by the gravitational pull of outer and inner celestial bodies of the galaxy that are near to the Solar System. This motion has a speed of 20 Km/s, and it is drawing now toward Hercules constellation. Web www.biocab.org ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Last edited by Dantheman62; 11-25-2009 at 04:27 PM. |
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Okay Dan had to go and throw a wrench in it....hahaha
![]() But seriously...there still has to be a way to measure the vortex...the 19.47 factor of it...huh? huh? huh? hahaha ![]() And the only way I can think to do it is from a crude variation of the maps we've come up with so far.....hmmmm? I think what we're trying to get at....is our solar system..in particular..the Earth..at the 19.47 of the galaxy? and if so...what are the implications of that? BIG question there ![]() Last edited by BROOK; 11-25-2009 at 04:52 PM. |
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My answer is kind of simple, LOL
The Sun orbits the center of the Galaxy with a period of 225 million years. A second consequence is an oscillation, with a much shorter period of about 60 million years, up and down through the plane of the disk. In other words, the Sun moves up and down about four times during each trip around the center of the Galaxy. This oscillation has an amplitude of 75 pc (250 ly). At present, the Sun is 4 pc (13 ly) above the galactic plane, moving upward into the Galaxy's Northern Hemisphere. (ly= light years) So if we're constantly moving up and down and around the galactic plane in 60 million year increments with an amplitude of 250 light years while rotating around the galaxy every 225 million years, I'd say that at many times over and over we would be at a 19.5 degree angle to the galaxy. LOL, but not sure when or where or if it could even be measured. hmmm |
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thanks dan
great insight!! I believe, the energy votex centered within the human-soul, is also intuned and reacts to these complex variable speeds > and any interferences too them (our souls energy), by manipulating galactic photon waves, earth polar shifts etc... would cause disruptions to their (life-source) connections> with the energies emulating from the center of our galaxy (at this special (critical) period, just as our galaxy moves through its galactic alignment cycle. Possible . a vortex grid war on earth > using the harrp technology by multiply opposing faction? Maybe~ it all comedown to the controlling and harnessing of that (precious) universal life-source energy~ to keep their boats afloat? Gi ![]() |
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Yeah the measurement is a distance of 250 light years up and down through the galactic plane, which is huge. So we're doing some major traveling! Doh! no wonder I'm dizzy, LOL
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Dizzy Dan....hahaha...I like that ![]() Thanks Dan...at least now we have the variable..... ![]() I see this is going to require some real work to figure out ![]() Last edited by BROOK; 11-25-2009 at 05:22 PM. |
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Right now I'm thinking of Thanksgiving! mmmmm turkey!
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Now your on the wagon Dan. That was what I was saying. To be able to determine where of what direction we were coming from and where we were going. The up and down tracking and when it crosses the 19.47 factor is a two way correlation. Agreed! So far what I have found with my crude software is that we are in the proximity of the plane of 19.47 and that isn't exact as I said because of my cad issues and finding a map, that is 2D of the milky way and placing the triangles as an overlay. Establish that first then track the angle and the direction and see where all that intersects. And when. This is my hypotenuse. Oh, Brook's too! Sorry Brook. I'm just trying to prove out what you have questioned. But I keep doing this.
![]() Hahahaha But I am not going to give up as I see a direct correlation also with the 90 degree phase shift that is also present as to what Dan has also pointed out. #1 Find the right map and establish if the 19.47 comes into play in 2D relative to our solar system. #2 Track what direction we came from and where we are going to see if all this intersects. Also when if we get that far. #3 Then apply the 90 degree phase shift because that is what that is even though it was presented as a linear angle. To which those properties haven't been established yet. Something like that and feel free to add. We have to establish the first objective before we can add another objective, etc, but the goal is to establish the correlation and the relationship in terms of our present direction. I am out of my box here so any expert advice from others is most welcomed. I just haven't seen anything yet that I can use to determine the first objective. If we can't establish that then the rest of it is a mute point and a waste of time. Plodding along.................. Last edited by Lionhawk; 11-25-2009 at 06:55 PM. |
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We need a computer simulation
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Another wrench, aren't we always in alignment with the center of the galaxy?
In other words two points are always connectable by a straight line. |
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Yes but at varying degrees. If our solar systems oscillation is at a 250 light year amplitude then I'm thinking that it's +125 light year and a -125 light year cycle above and below the galactic plane. But I think BROOK's question still remains at what point or date will we be at a 19.5 degree angle to the galaxial center?
I don't know, it's all french to me, but I'll keep looking for info. Last edited by Dantheman62; 11-25-2009 at 07:42 PM. |
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Thank you Dan...I was going to say that...you beat me to it
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It would be ideal if we could get a simulation similar to this...then add the measurements
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I did find this simulator....it's pretty cool
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