Contactee - Dream Experiences, Communication and Visions - Page 2

m1* · 10-26-2009, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by akopij

Burgundia I m not familiar with that egyptian Papyrus on the twelve wheels, but you probably got something there. Not familiar with the shambala either.
M1 is your diagnosis related to Porfiria ? otherwise known as vampirism? Don't get me wrong, i just think there is a reptilian dna connection there. I know two people with exta psychic habilities who has that. It s connected with a defficience or a surplus of bloodcells. I never had memories of abduction by humans and undeground bases, but humans are more dangerous than aliens IMO. shame no time to discuss.
Christ works as a prototypic image the incarnation of creation in a human body, it's not the only image of this nature. When i want to shut the voices and images up to get some sleep, i focus on emptiness and silence, works better. Old jesus won't shut up.
love to all

Never heard of Porfiria. Don't have that. I just have too much Iron in the blood.

Also, for many of the suggestions people give me (as well intentioned as they are), toward "protecting myself" from interference -- I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Believe me, for the things I have experienced:

- Focusing on silence
- Telling entities I am sovereign and to go away
- Visualizing white light
- Etc..

..they will not do a LICK of good, and I can tell that whoever makes such suggestions has absolutely NO idea (not even an inkling) of what I have truly faced. In 33 years, there is only ONE thing that causes these entities to leave me be -- and that is the name Jesus. I can't be more emphatic about that.

akopij · 10-26-2009, 09:20 AM

was just saying what works for me that's all. Too much iron in the blood is one of the possible symptoms of porfiria. there many different sorts. But I'm not a doctor right, and I don't think even they have a clue. Just adding that the person who had the same vision of the big wheels with signs has it. Actualy too much iron in the blood cells. Sorry to come with something crude, but in remote past lifes i used to be a warlock committing human sacrifices and I remember clealy the taste of human blood. Pleasant isn't it. I do'nt have issues with my blood cells nor a strong attirance to meat. But I know how it works to get inside one's mind and to tap into one's energy. I stay on my own most of the time and don't have sex much because i feel like I m raping the soul of the girl. I can do healings too. **** have to go now

beren · 10-26-2009, 04:11 PM

- Focusing on silence
- Telling entities I am sovereign and to go away
- Visualizing white light
- Etc..

..they will not do a LICK of good, and I can tell that whoever makes such suggestions has absolutely NO idea (not even an inkling) of what I have truly faced. In 33 years, there is only ONE thing that causes these entities to leave me be -- and that is the name Jesus. I can't be more emphatic about that.[/QUOTE]

I would like to share one thing with you;
my aunt is liveing in one small place in Serbia. Whole her life is not such a good story and her whole close family was very spritual, so to say. I find a better description for that and it is really messing up with spiritism ,pagan worshiping in pretend to worship some Ortodox church saints...
After the death of her mother and my father(her sibling) she was starting to have nightmares with the caracters of my father and their mother.

All would be fine that in those dreams that two entities were representing as my father and her mother (my grandma) were acting like any similar dream... but it was not the case. Those entities were claiming that they are actually alive and that they did not died.

I on my side never had similar dreams except in one situation but completely different than hers.

I told her that next time when they bother her in sleep to try to pray to God and say that Jesus is her savoiur.

Then soon she called and told me next thing.

That night she dreamed her mother and her brother(my late father) that they again came and claimed that they are alive and not dead and burried. Also there was another "woman " in the dream which was messing with something, suddenly when she started to pray to God that "woman " started to stranlge her and stop her from saying Jesus´s name... But after a little time that "woman" who was strangling her ran away...
Also in nights before her late mother was visiting her in dreams and also claiming various stuff, when she started praying ,the late mother said: "well well, look at her she is praying to God!" and then she ran away.

I know that because of my aunt´s involment in spiritism by living in that family she was attacked by demons who were representing themself as her dear beloved brother and mother.

Also something was trying once to scare me while I was dreaming but I managed to say while asleep and in a state of dream that I serve Jesus Christ or similar, I can not remember exactly the words... but that entity just vanished right away!

I do not have experiences with those attacks but I am very aware of their existance on other people. Sometimes I sence starnge energy field and some chill passes through me, but then I ask for God´s help and that is gone...

iainl140285 · 10-26-2009, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m1*

Never heard of Porfiria. Don't have that. I just have too much Iron in the blood.

Also, for many of the suggestions people give me (as well intentioned as they are), toward "protecting myself" from interference -- I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Believe me, for the things I have experienced:

- Focusing on silence
- Telling entities I am sovereign and to go away
- Visualizing white light
- Etc..

..they will not do a LICK of good, and I can tell that whoever makes such suggestions has absolutely NO idea (not even an inkling) of what I have truly faced. In 33 years, there is only ONE thing that causes these entities to leave me be -- and that is the name Jesus. I can't be more emphatic about that.

Hi M1*,

to the forum.
Great thread

The above, I had read that someplace before - there is a thread here all about it. It always stuck in my mind.

Now I have never been abducted. Seen a few strange craft in the skies, thats it.

But Fri night, (Fri just past) I was asleep and dreamt that I was out in the street outside my house sitting on the pavement with my partner and a friend. It was dark so I dont know why we were sitting out

.

I got a REALLY weird feeling, like I knew sometjing was coming, then all around the street went kinda misty, but with bright bright white light in both directions. We all panicked and ran towards the house. My partner and myself got in but my friend wasnt there so I ran to the front door and out and looked along the street to see dozens of what can only be described as those little grey things scurrying along towards my house. I slammed the door.

I looked through the spy hole and my friend was outside, but when I opened the door he looked glazed and said, they arent here for him or my partner. (This obviously left myself!) At which point I SHOUTED at the top of my voice ... GOD. I woke up at that very instant.
I dont think I've ever felt that kind of fear before at the point I shouted.

Anyway, good to know for future

eleni · 10-25-2009, 10:21 PM

No caste- do you mean you were deleted from speaking about trip chairs/Montauk etc;

A UFOlogist was told by someone not to delve into my experiences with Montauk (as in her asking me about it) because it was too dangerous to discuss.

I'm not a paranoid type but it's not something I usually discuss due to the overall weirdness of it- it's hard to put the experiences into anything cohesive and given that they did use drugs makes it even weirder.

no caste · 10-25-2009, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by eleni

No caste- do you mean you were deleted from speaking about trip chairs/Montauk etc;

A UFOlogist was told by someone not to delve into my experiences with Montauk (as in her asking me about it) because it was too dangerous to discuss.

I'm not a paranoid type but it's not something I usually discuss due to the overall weirdness of it- it's hard to put the experiences into anything cohesive and given that they did use drugs makes it even weirder.

Oh, I don't know really. I did call Henry Kissinger a big poo (a lot of blood on his hands) - you just wonder all the time. It's been cat and mouse for almost 2 years. It's national security stuff after all.

So, yeah, there are built in ways to debunk, from paying teams online to call it all nuttiness to preventing access to care, to programmed memes in people to commit suicide, to offing key people, and, yes, the pharmaceuticals. I mean, it IS all very weird, including time travel - but I think a bit of a new model of the universe is emerging too, a bit more electromagnetic. People are antennas, or conduits, or instruments for TPTW and so on. Our body systems are electric. I still have to figure out lasers, because I think there's an optical component to manipulations for the mind too, I think, maybe along with radio frequencies. We're not unaffected by all this ambient magnetic sludge is what I can say.

burgundia · 10-25-2009, 08:28 PM

Thanks for starting this thread. I believe it will be very valuable to us all. The first dream also reminds me of the superwave...

beren · 10-25-2009, 08:59 PM

friend, the more I read your threads and other threads too I am coming to next conclusion;
first of all we are still very ignorant about almost everything surrounding us, here on earth and out in universe. It is not the case that we do not want to know( well at least some of us wish to know) it is just that we are still at the few inches from the starting point of humanity.

We think that we know but reality always prove us wrong.
I think there is a catch where Satan and his hosts are fooling us.
They are showing us glimpses of another life forms or holographic things or something else which we`d call SF.
As we do not have a clue what that really is we wander and roam around and about it. That is often extremely confusing for a human . Imagine a 7 year old child who just started to learn mathematics in elementary and hardly know what is 3+17 and then comes a Harvard math professor and tells the child of some extremely high equation...

Child will be very confused and would n`t understand a word spoken to him/her.

Basically Satan and his crew are spiritual entities and they know a hell of a lot more from us because who knows how old are they are what did they learn in both phases ,in light and now in darkness. So they use that knowledge to lull the people ,to confuse us, to eventually awe us in order to perceive them as "gods" or high beings, or they show a bits and pieces of something to some person and other they just torture so everybody would have then different thinkings about them.
To someone they show as light beings and someone as bad guys and hurting them ...
That is here in order to sow confusion and delusion about truth.

Why do you think God never poured all knowledge on us immediately ?
All should be learned and grasped gradually in order that person can connect all dots and understand all. There is a verse in NT where it is being said that God chose to carefully hide all things in Christ Jesus, meaning that we will always learn from him, more and more until we reach perfection and be as him, as he stated that.

Right now we can not get all that fancy stuff like SF technology and rest simply because our level or awareness, conscience and knowledge is terrible.
We are not far off from people in first century when Jesus came in flesh...

Right now we are in making ourselves a perfect foundations of our being in order that tomorrow we can make beautiful building of ourselves. God will not simply allow going on the second,third or fourth stage of our development until we complete first and the most difficult stage. Let no one deceive us in that!
Remember how Eve and Adam were deceived? They have been told that they will become as "gods" and will know difference between good and evil...
Guess what is being offered to us today with even more pressure as days are passing by???

People ,throw your silliness and deceits that have been thrown upon you.
Realize that I or someone else on this forum when speak about the Bible , we are not speaking about religion or some denomination or that we are loons and religious fanatics! We are talking about real truth which will set you free,so to quote Jesus. Forget about religion(all that exist),churches,philosophies,a man wisdom all... Who else than the God almighty-creator of all that is , and his son Jesus Christ a crowned king of universe can help you better?
Read his word and ,I will repeat again, whatever is not clear,write it down and ask God to help you understand, read further and compare what you`ve been reading with other parts in Bible. Ask directly God for help. Why would you turn to second hand "helpers "...?
Ask the Creator himself in sincere prayer. A prayer that always has to be genuine from your soul and heart itself or else it would not be answered to you.

We can not fool or trick God but if we need and want help wholeheartedly it will be given to us, always.

Love and blessings,

Beren

m1* · 10-25-2009, 09:13 PM

Beren, I could have wrote all those words myself. I agree with you entirely.

Too many people latch onto conclusions and try to make out they know all about everything. I'll be the first to state that i know practically NOTHING. I don't even know what's going on with me. I am in a deep state of confusion. Then along come people with half baked new age philosophies and expect me to believe it, yet a lot of these people do not even believe that there is a creator, They believe they are part of the creator. This is very dangerous. We are the creatED not the creatORS.

I also wholeheartedly agree that as soon as you mention God or Jesus, a great many people throw you straight in the "religious" box and wont hear a word you say thereafter. Don't pass go, don't collect $200. However, what most people fail to understand is that there's a big difference between religion and faith. A true disciple of Jesus Christ will reject ALL religion. Jesus himself couldn't stand religion. He rebuked the Pharisees which were the religious people of that time.

First and foremost, I do believe in God and that Jesus is Lord. I do believe that Satan and his demons are misleading people and also literally running this world through human puppets who have sold their souls; the elite.

The increase in technology is also "given to us" and I do NOT believe for a second that it is from any place off the earth, but is from right here on this earth where these entities reside. They reside here because they cannot leave.

I have a LOT of things going on with me. I have a LOT of visions and a lot of feelings and intuitions. I have been affected severely all my life, and I do believe that a GREAT deal of what I have experienced has been demonic. However, I do also believe that I have had visions and experienced which came from God. I also believe that I am picking stuff up from somewhere else - maybe people, maybe technology.. there's more that people don't understand. I don't understand it. All I know is that I am seeing things that others can't see. I don't know what more to say about that.

eleni · 10-25-2009, 09:26 PM

m1 and Beren- have you read the Hidden Hand interview?
It is someone pretending to be from Agrathi/Hollow earth passing himself off as an elite Creator God and perpetuating/creating/justifying evil for the *benefit* of mankind and their own species (creator gods) so they move on to another *realm* (one of negativity). I don't believe it's right for others (elite) to impose their will (which they have) on the populace- we are not the one's who want war, poverty, murder, destruction of earth, human experiments with secret technology etc;

http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html

eleni · 10-25-2009, 09:30 PM

m1- a trip chair was first used at Montauk- numerous people were used- specifically those with high psi abilities.

It's a time travel interface device- now they use jumprooms and they use it to collect information about future events.

If you are interested I can pass along some info but be warned- it's a Pandora's box.

I also want to mention that it's common amongst some abductees to be brought to other bases in the world- I know I was in Australia this past summer on one occasion- maybe 2. Again along with other humans (some from Oz as I could tell- don't ask me how- I just knew).

They use railcars (super fast ) and jumprooms to transport some of us .I assmue craft as well though with myself it's been the former most of the time.

m1* · 10-25-2009, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eleni

m1- a trip chair was first used at Montauk- numerous people were used- specifically those with high psi abilities.

It's a time travel interface device- now they use jumprooms and they use it to collect information about future events.

If you are interested I can pass along some info but be warned- it's a Pandora's box.

I also want to mention that it's common amongst some abductees to be brought to other bases in the world- I know I was in Australia this past summer on one occasion- maybe 2. Again along with other humans (some from Oz as I could tell- don't ask me how- I just knew).

They use railcars (super fast ) and jumprooms to transport some of us .I assmue craft as well though with myself it's been the former most of the time.

Recently, I had a dream (or was it a dream?) that I was in some place that was under the ground. However, it wasn't like a cave or dark or dingy, It was actually quite open looking, as if it was one big artificial environment. Yet is was most assuredly under ground.

Then, two people came to me. I was waiting outside for them. They put me in a small car and then it took off down a tunnel at great speed. man it was fast, maybe hundreds of miles per hour, maybe faster. It was MOVING. It was all lit up in the tunnel and I could see the round lights going past so fast until it looked like one constant light.

Then, I wound up at another place, much like the first. I got out and it was explained to me that the people in that area were not allowed to leave. There was a rather morbid feeling in that area, from all the other people. It was like a community. They were just standing around and talking and doing various things, just as if I were in a park somewhere. But there was an over looming sense of dread. It was not a nice place.

The whole memory is rather patchy, but that's most of it. That's the gist of things. There was more to it. I was tested on something. I was allowed to walk around. I spoke to two people there. I can't really remember what I said. But all in all, this place felt very real. I only recall ever being there once. Maybe I have been there before, but I can't remember. It didn't seem familiar and I don't like the place. It's very high tech, but very morbid and sad.

eleni · 10-25-2009, 09:45 PM

I'm sorry- reading that is hard for me- brings up feelings/memories.
That's the human aspect I have mentioned in regards to all this (the greys don't scare me- it's the humans that do).
The underground places with the trains can be frightening- I was more afraid as a child- yes, very morbid feeling/dread. Odd.

You seem to be good at accessing memories- can you remember any people?
Are they dressed in uniform?

Montauk/trip chair info

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mo...ontauk_16b.htm

m1* · 10-25-2009, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eleni

I'm sorry- reading that is hard for me- brings up feelings/memories.
That's the human aspect I have mentioned in regards to all this (the greys don't scare me- it's the humans that do).
The underground places with the trains can be frightening- I was more afraid as a child- yes, very morbid feeling/dread. Odd.

You seem to be good at accessing memories- can you remember any people?
Are they dressed in uniform?

Montauk/trip chair info

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mo...ontauk_16b.htm

They just looked like regular people to me. They were wearing just plain sensible clothes. There wasn't anything spectacular about their dress. It was just snug fitting, casual coloured dress. Nothing extra fantastic. It may very well ahve been uniforms, but I can't remember well enough. I mean, I can't remember if others were wearing the same thing as each other. The whole situation was rather ordinary in a lot of ways. It was just underground and everyone was morbid.

beren · 10-25-2009, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eleni

m1 and Beren- have you read the Hidden Hand interview?
It is someone pretending to be from Agrathi/Hollow earth passing himself off as an elite Creator God and perpetuating/creating/justifying evil for the *benefit* of mankind and their own species (creator gods) so they move on to another *realm* (one of negativity). I don't believe it's right for others (elite) to impose their will (which they have) on the populace- we are not the one's who want war, poverty, murder, destruction of earth, human experiments with secret technology etc;

http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html

Eleni, I did read that the other day when you provide the lik and I am sorry for not thanking you for that!

Anyways I could say that his talk is very intelligent, very profound, very complicated, very academic but all over pure evil.
Why I think so?

First of all notice that he exalts him self over others. That is a huge problem. Why?
When did Jesus exalted him over others???
In fact he stated that pupil can not be over his teacher and slave can not be over his master-BUT one day they can be as same as their teachers or
masters.
No where the stinking sound of being over proud or egoistic.
Also justifying evil deeds?!?
He was like:"sorry guys but we got to kill you -oh sorry NOT we personally ,but nevertheless you have to die in "harvest" in order that WE can pick up our reward in that blessed realm of 7th something!"
And he stated that with a sincere thinking and almost I felt his smile there when typing!
Pardon me all her but WTF! Who the hell he you are to tell me this !!! I need to die so you can reap bliss!!!

Oh wait but we do not die because we are part of creator...:-) It is not funny. But if we are part of creator in his own analogy also he is a part of creator too an WHY he would like us to die??? Why don` t he die first ,you know just to show us??? Also this stinks in a way like this: what sort of "creator" he claims that he and we are part of , what sort of "creator" has a idiotic wish to hurt him self in order to feel bliss??? What, he will kill part of him(meaning us) and another part of him would then be blissful ?!?!?

Give me a break...

The problem wit hi is that he is intelligent but not smart to actually see how he was fooled and deceived from his masters who serve their own master Lucifer AKA Satan AKA Devil...

Never underestimate Satan`s ability to lie and deceive.
Especially he likes to mix truth with lies to sound more convincing.
Parts of his interview did have large portions of truth, you can feel that, but when he was pointing and finishing his thoughts, he always moved to his side of things...

One more piece of deception. Satan is using all imaginable ways to deceive all people . We should not forget about that.
One of the greatest swindles he did is to convince people that he does not exist. Then how can you fight against works of a person that does not exist???

But luckily for us we have the true light to show us lies and lead us through this dark and that is our king Jesus Christ.

eleni · 10-25-2009, 09:51 PM

Yes, it worries me that people have fallen for his *truth* as spiritual truth and *wisdom*.

I believe whomever he is if he was for real is a part of dark cabal conjuring dark energies and is also deceived by lower astral entities (Lucifer).

I'm not interested in such harvests- I have given myself over to divine creator- not some intellectual logos who knows no love and manipulates this realm for the benefit of his *creations*.

10-26-2009, 09:20 AM	#2
akopij Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: liege, belgium Posts: 67	Re: Contactee - Dream Experiences, Communication and Visions was just saying what works for me that's all. Too much iron in the blood is one of the possible symptoms of porfiria. there many different sorts. But I'm not a doctor right, and I don't think even they have a clue. Just adding that the person who had the same vision of the big wheels with signs has it. Actualy too much iron in the blood cells. Sorry to come with something crude, but in remote past lifes i used to be a warlock committing human sacrifices and I remember clealy the taste of human blood. Pleasant isn't it. I do'nt have issues with my blood cells nor a strong attirance to meat. But I know how it works to get inside one's mind and to tap into one's energy. I stay on my own most of the time and don't have sex much because i feel like I m raping the soul of the girl. I can do healings too. **** have to go now

10-26-2009, 04:11 PM	#3
beren Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Belgrade,Serbia Posts: 508	Re: Contactee - Dream Experiences, Communication and Visions - Focusing on silence - Telling entities I am sovereign and to go away - Visualizing white light - Etc.. ..they will not do a LICK of good, and I can tell that whoever makes such suggestions has absolutely NO idea (not even an inkling) of what I have truly faced. In 33 years, there is only ONE thing that causes these entities to leave me be -- and that is the name Jesus. I can't be more emphatic about that.[/QUOTE] I would like to share one thing with you; my aunt is liveing in one small place in Serbia. Whole her life is not such a good story and her whole close family was very spritual, so to say. I find a better description for that and it is really messing up with spiritism ,pagan worshiping in pretend to worship some Ortodox church saints... After the death of her mother and my father(her sibling) she was starting to have nightmares with the caracters of my father and their mother. All would be fine that in those dreams that two entities were representing as my father and her mother (my grandma) were acting like any similar dream... but it was not the case. Those entities were claiming that they are actually alive and that they did not died. I on my side never had similar dreams except in one situation but completely different than hers. I told her that next time when they bother her in sleep to try to pray to God and say that Jesus is her savoiur. Then soon she called and told me next thing. That night she dreamed her mother and her brother(my late father) that they again came and claimed that they are alive and not dead and burried. Also there was another "woman " in the dream which was messing with something, suddenly when she started to pray to God that "woman " started to stranlge her and stop her from saying Jesus´s name... But after a little time that "woman" who was strangling her ran away... Also in nights before her late mother was visiting her in dreams and also claiming various stuff, when she started praying ,the late mother said: "well well, look at her she is praying to God!" and then she ran away. I know that because of my aunt´s involment in spiritism by living in that family she was attacked by demons who were representing themself as her dear beloved brother and mother. Also something was trying once to scare me while I was dreaming but I managed to say while asleep and in a state of dream that I serve Jesus Christ or similar, I can not remember exactly the words... but that entity just vanished right away! I do not have experiences with those attacks but I am very aware of their existance on other people. Sometimes I sence starnge energy field and some chill passes through me, but then I ask for God´s help and that is gone...

10-25-2009, 10:21 PM	#5
eleni Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 865	Re: Contactee - Dream Experiences, Communication and Visions No caste- do you mean you were deleted from speaking about trip chairs/Montauk etc; A UFOlogist was told by someone not to delve into my experiences with Montauk (as in her asking me about it) because it was too dangerous to discuss. I'm not a paranoid type but it's not something I usually discuss due to the overall weirdness of it- it's hard to put the experiences into anything cohesive and given that they did use drugs makes it even weirder.

10-25-2009, 08:28 PM	#7
burgundia Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Poland Posts: 3,442	Re: Contactee - Dream Experiences, Communication and Visions Thanks for starting this thread. I believe it will be very valuable to us all. The first dream also reminds me of the superwave...

10-25-2009, 08:59 PM	#8
beren Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Belgrade,Serbia Posts: 508	Re: Contactee - Dream Experiences, Communication and Visions friend, the more I read your threads and other threads too I am coming to next conclusion; first of all we are still very ignorant about almost everything surrounding us, here on earth and out in universe. It is not the case that we do not want to know( well at least some of us wish to know) it is just that we are still at the few inches from the starting point of humanity. We think that we know but reality always prove us wrong. I think there is a catch where Satan and his hosts are fooling us. They are showing us glimpses of another life forms or holographic things or something else which we`d call SF. As we do not have a clue what that really is we wander and roam around and about it. That is often extremely confusing for a human . Imagine a 7 year old child who just started to learn mathematics in elementary and hardly know what is 3+17 and then comes a Harvard math professor and tells the child of some extremely high equation... Child will be very confused and would n`t understand a word spoken to him/her. Basically Satan and his crew are spiritual entities and they know a hell of a lot more from us because who knows how old are they are what did they learn in both phases ,in light and now in darkness. So they use that knowledge to lull the people ,to confuse us, to eventually awe us in order to perceive them as "gods" or high beings, or they show a bits and pieces of something to some person and other they just torture so everybody would have then different thinkings about them. To someone they show as light beings and someone as bad guys and hurting them ... That is here in order to sow confusion and delusion about truth. Why do you think God never poured all knowledge on us immediately ? All should be learned and grasped gradually in order that person can connect all dots and understand all. There is a verse in NT where it is being said that God chose to carefully hide all things in Christ Jesus, meaning that we will always learn from him, more and more until we reach perfection and be as him, as he stated that. Right now we can not get all that fancy stuff like SF technology and rest simply because our level or awareness, conscience and knowledge is terrible. We are not far off from people in first century when Jesus came in flesh... Right now we are in making ourselves a perfect foundations of our being in order that tomorrow we can make beautiful building of ourselves. God will not simply allow going on the second,third or fourth stage of our development until we complete first and the most difficult stage. Let no one deceive us in that! Remember how Eve and Adam were deceived? They have been told that they will become as "gods" and will know difference between good and evil... Guess what is being offered to us today with even more pressure as days are passing by??? People ,throw your silliness and deceits that have been thrown upon you. Realize that I or someone else on this forum when speak about the Bible , we are not speaking about religion or some denomination or that we are loons and religious fanatics! We are talking about real truth which will set you free,so to quote Jesus. Forget about religion(all that exist),churches,philosophies,a man wisdom all... Who else than the God almighty-creator of all that is , and his son Jesus Christ a crowned king of universe can help you better? Read his word and ,I will repeat again, whatever is not clear,write it down and ask God to help you understand, read further and compare what you`ve been reading with other parts in Bible. Ask directly God for help. Why would you turn to second hand "helpers "...? Ask the Creator himself in sincere prayer. A prayer that always has to be genuine from your soul and heart itself or else it would not be answered to you. We can not fool or trick God but if we need and want help wholeheartedly it will be given to us, always. Love and blessings, Beren

10-25-2009, 09:13 PM	#9
m1* Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 197	Re: Contactee - Dream Experiences, Communication and Visions Beren, I could have wrote all those words myself. I agree with you entirely. Too many people latch onto conclusions and try to make out they know all about everything. I'll be the first to state that i know practically NOTHING. I don't even know what's going on with me. I am in a deep state of confusion. Then along come people with half baked new age philosophies and expect me to believe it, yet a lot of these people do not even believe that there is a creator, They believe they are part of the creator. This is very dangerous. We are the creatED not the creatORS. I also wholeheartedly agree that as soon as you mention God or Jesus, a great many people throw you straight in the "religious" box and wont hear a word you say thereafter. Don't pass go, don't collect $200. However, what most people fail to understand is that there's a big difference between religion and faith. A true disciple of Jesus Christ will reject ALL religion. Jesus himself couldn't stand religion. He rebuked the Pharisees which were the religious people of that time. First and foremost, I do believe in God and that Jesus is Lord. I do believe that Satan and his demons are misleading people and also literally running this world through human puppets who have sold their souls; the elite. The increase in technology is also "given to us" and I do NOT believe for a second that it is from any place off the earth, but is from right here on this earth where these entities reside. They reside here because they cannot leave. I have a LOT of things going on with me. I have a LOT of visions and a lot of feelings and intuitions. I have been affected severely all my life, and I do believe that a GREAT deal of what I have experienced has been demonic. However, I do also believe that I have had visions and experienced which came from God. I also believe that I am picking stuff up from somewhere else - maybe people, maybe technology.. there's more that people don't understand. I don't understand it. All I know is that I am seeing things that others can't see. I don't know what more to say about that. Last edited by m1; 10-25-2009 at 09:20 PM.*

10-25-2009, 09:26 PM	#10
eleni Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 865	Re: Contactee - Dream Experiences, Communication and Visions m1 and Beren- have you read the Hidden Hand interview? It is someone pretending to be from Agrathi/Hollow earth passing himself off as an elite Creator God and perpetuating/creating/justifying evil for the benefit of mankind and their own species (creator gods) so they move on to another realm (one of negativity). I don't believe it's right for others (elite) to impose their will (which they have) on the populace- we are not the one's who want war, poverty, murder, destruction of earth, human experiments with secret technology etc; http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html

10-25-2009, 09:30 PM	#11
eleni Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 865	Re: Contactee - Dream Experiences, Communication and Visions m1- a trip chair was first used at Montauk- numerous people were used- specifically those with high psi abilities. It's a time travel interface device- now they use jumprooms and they use it to collect information about future events. If you are interested I can pass along some info but be warned- it's a Pandora's box. I also want to mention that it's common amongst some abductees to be brought to other bases in the world- I know I was in Australia this past summer on one occasion- maybe 2. Again along with other humans (some from Oz as I could tell- don't ask me how- I just knew). They use railcars (super fast ) and jumprooms to transport some of us .I assmue craft as well though with myself it's been the former most of the time.

10-25-2009, 09:45 PM	#13
eleni Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 865	Re: Contactee - Dream Experiences, Communication and Visions I'm sorry- reading that is hard for me- brings up feelings/memories. That's the human aspect I have mentioned in regards to all this (the greys don't scare me- it's the humans that do). The underground places with the trains can be frightening- I was more afraid as a child- yes, very morbid feeling/dread. Odd. You seem to be good at accessing memories- can you remember any people? Are they dressed in uniform? Montauk/trip chair info http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mo...ontauk_16b.htm

10-25-2009, 09:51 PM	#16
eleni Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 865	Re: Contactee - Dream Experiences, Communication and Visions Yes, it worries me that people have fallen for his truth as spiritual truth and wisdom. I believe whomever he is if he was for real is a part of dark cabal conjuring dark energies and is also deceived by lower astral entities (Lucifer). I'm not interested in such harvests- I have given myself over to divine creator- not some intellectual logos who knows no love and manipulates this realm for the benefit of his creations.