Questions for THEWATCHER

[THEWATCHER]

If it opens me up as a target so be it, but shortly i shall post a timeline of my life where you will see all the dots connected and everything falls into place, a coherant history if you like. Several cans of worms will thus be opened at once.


Regards


THE WATCHER

[sunflower]

Excellent idea, Barry, and very helpful to all who follow this thread.

Best wishes for the New Year and hopefully a great improvement in comfort and health!

[Ara]

Originally Posted by THEWATCHER

If it opens me up as a target so be it, but shortly i shall post a timeline of my life where you will see all the dots connected and everything falls into place, a coherant history if you like. Several cans of worms will thus be opened at once.

Regards
THE WATCHER

Barry,

I imagine your impending revelations will open doors to understanding for many. Thank-You for taking these steps to bring the larger picture into view.

Take Care and May You Stay Safe

All the Best
Ara

[THEWATCHER]

Before I do that I will ask all here if they mind doing a little piece of homework. Please do a little own research into the background of one Dr. Louis Jolyn West (Dr Jolly) CIA Mindcontrol expert. Once you have a working knowledge on him keep it to one side as you will need refer to it later on, when I reach the 1979 stage of the history timeline. This concerns my first wife whom was treated and experimented upon by Dr Jolly and his team in one of his UK projects. Many are under the impression he worked solely in the USA, this is incorrect. He oversaw numerous experiments here in the UK.


Regards


THE WATCHER

[Egg]

The alleged co-founder of Artichoke, Bluebird, MK ULTRA / MONARCH / DYNASTY 'Dr Jolly'?

[THEWATCHER]

Originally Posted by Egg

The alleged co-founder of Artichoke, Bluebird, MK ULTRA / MONARCH / DYNASTY 'Dr Jolly'?

CIA programmer yes, Dr Jolly

THE WATCHER

[Egg]

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB54/st02.pdf

Well, we know that artichoke agents went overseas, so why not any of the other projects that spurred off from it? makes perfect sense to me.

[Ara]

Originally Posted by THEWATCHER

CIA programmer yes, Dr Jolly

THE WATCHER

Dr. Louis Joyon "Jolly" West
Mind control programmers

The establishment allowed CIA programmer Dr. Louis Joyon "Jolly" West to examine Jack Ruby in his jail cell. When Ruby refused to admit to insanity, West labelled him "paranoid and mentally ill" and Ruby was placed on pills, which were called "happy pills". Ruby believed he was being poisoned by the establishment.

While Dr. West’s curriculum vitae doesn’t mention that he received Top Secret clearance from the CIA as the contractor on MKULTRA Subproject 43, CIA documents show that grants were given to Dr. West for studies entitled, "Psychophysiological Studies of Hypnosis and Suggestibility" and "Studies of Dissociative States."


Further, "Dr. Lois Jolyon West was cleared at Top Secret for his work on MKULTRA.



West's numerous connections to the mind control network illustrate how the network is maintained---not through any central conspiracy, but by an interlocking network of academic relationships, grants, conferences, and military appointments.



Some doctors in the network were not funded directly by the CIA or military, but their work was of direct relevance to mind control, non-lethal weapons development, creation of controlled dissociation and the building of Manchurian Candidates."



Further, "Dr. West devoted four decades to study, writing and experimentation on dissociation, hypnosis, Communist mind control, hallucinogens, sensory deprivation, and methods of social influence; he concluded that the methods used by destructive cults result in the creation of new identities and dissociative states.



The same methods, when applied to experimental subjects under BLUEBIRD, ARTICHOKE and MKULTRA, also resulted in the creation of amnesia, new identities and dissociated states.

This was the Manchurian Candidate program."(Ross, 2000)


So Louis West, who wanted to start this centre at UCLA, is on the board of FMSF and so is Martin Orne, a Harvard psychiatrist who has done contract work for the CIA in the past.

Pasted for 'future reference'.

[THEWATCHER]

Many thanks Ara, and when we reach the point in my timeline of 1979 you will see the connection, and the possible reason why my first wife tried to kill me in early 1980, just before the facility used procedures on me to get rid of me in January of that year.


THE WATCHER

[Ara]

Originally Posted by THEWATCHER

Many thanks Ara, and when we reach the point in my timeline of 1979 you will see the connection, and the possible reason why my first wife tried to kill me in early 1980, just before the facility used procedures on me to get rid of me in January of that year.


THE WATCHER

You are always Welcome.

It sounds as though your first wife didn't have life easy either. How very sad for you both to have endured such a traumatic event.

Sleeper Assassins, the ultimate hidden enemy.

Barry, I imagine you will address this later on in your time line of events but I'll ask anyway. Why did they want you eliminated? At that time you hadn't begun your public disclosures, yet they still had the need to dispose of you. Why were you a threat to them? They realized 'something' about you? 1+1 ? Just trying to connect the dots in my mind.

All the Best
Ara

[Egg]

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...p?t=649&page=3

After reading that, I am not interested in an answer.

[THEWATCHER]

Originally Posted by Egg

Sorry that came out all wrong.

Question is, if you saw the beings as they were made, could you describe their hands and feet, and what their real eye colour is if you saw it at all?

many thanks, Egg.

Indeed when i reach the 1979 facility stage

regards


THE WATCHER

[THEWATCHER]

Originally Posted by Ara

You are always Welcome.

It sounds as though your first wife didn't have life easy either. How very sad for you both to have endured such a traumatic event.

Sleeper Assassins, the ultimate hidden enemy.

Barry, I imagine you will address this later on in your time line of events but I'll ask anyway. Why did they want you eliminated? At that time you hadn't begun your public disclosures, yet they still had the need to dispose of you. Why were you a threat to them? They realized 'something' about you? 1+1 ? Just trying to connect the dots in my mind.

All the Best
Ara

Yes i will address this later, the threat perceived by them continues today but other factions hold this at bay, more than one nation involved.

warmest regards

THE WATCHER

[Ara]

Originally Posted by THEWATCHER

Yes i will address this later, the threat perceived by them continues today but other factions hold this at bay, more than one nation involved.

warmest regards

THE WATCHER

Ok understood. Thanks Barry.

I'm looking forward to reading your time-line of events, will be interesting to see where certain pieces of information fit.

Take Care

All the Best

Ara

[THEWATCHER]

Lets begin with Tuesday 10th June 1952, my birth date. We move along to 1954/55 (exact date on file but kept from me) when I was around 2, 2 and a half. That year I contracted double pnuemonia, a killer disease in the 1950's.Rushed to hospital, placed in an oxygen tent in intensive care. My condition worsened, the staff advised my parents to bring in a priest and read my last rites, which they did. I actually died for a few minutes. This is the spooky part. I viewed my small body laying in the bed, my parents sobbing, staff and priest comforting them. I viewed this from the ceiling looking down. Then suddenly a bright light, a whoosh sensation as if being accelerated from stop to high speed then back in my body. Coughing, spluttering and watching mayhem as bewildered staff and parents realised i'd come back to life.

To avoid a very lengthy narrative i will shorten to basics if thats ok. At around age 4 or 5 an event which involved all my family. I recall being in the family front room of our home, awaiting the return of my father. Suddenly there was panic, a large black cloudlike thing was ascending the stairs leading up to our front door. We rushed into the front room and hid behind the large sofa. We watched as the cloud drifted into the room, within seconds my father entered the room, hearing our screams i guess, he passed thru the cloud then stopped suddenly as if not knowing where he was or what he was doing. The cloud started to move towards us, behind the sofa. I last recall much screaming, then nothing.
Strange as it may seem we as a family only briefly discussed this event years later, brushing it to one side.

I used to like playing in the back garden of this house of ours, I'd often take my toys out there and play in the dirt. Around age 5 again one event still puzzles me to this day. It was a bright warmish day as i took my toys out to play. Its bright daylight one minute then pitch black and night time the next, I'm still sitting in the garden playing. I do not recall even being brought indoors by my parents.

Same time range again, around 5 years old. I'm watching the small black n white tv in the front room, not sure whom else is with me. Its a programme i cannot recall and paying attention on and off. Then suddenly the picture changes. This is an era of no remote controls and so any channel switching was done from the tv itself, no one did that. The screen changed to a scene showing an ordinary street with houses and a few cars. It was a very bright sunlit day, glaringly bright. A shiny disc shaped object lands in the road, a door or hatch opens. Not sure if I saw someone/something exit the disc or I knew they would, just as suddenly the picture returned to its original programme.
Later in time I asked other family members if they witnessed this but no one else did and all I received was shrugs from shoulders!!.

We moved from this house in 1957 to go to a brand new housing estate less than a mile away, the Thames View Estate, not far from the then Barking power station.
It was whilst still at Felton road that I became involved with the genetic survey, at around age 4 or 5 (again, exact date on file but kept from me).
The beginnings of many hospital visits, blood tests, x rays, other procedures, injections etc etc. Taken by parents or collected by men in suits in a car to these procedures and tests.

[ries]

Thanks Barry, for this amazing lifestory from your childhood.

I appreciate the big effort you take to get the information into the public with all it's discomforts.

This year really opened my eyes after 39 years sleeping and still after reading and hearing a lot of stuff and interviews and it's still difficult to comprehend what's going at the moment and happened in the past.

I wish you a nice year in good health and wisdom.
http://projectavalon.net/forum/image...es/newyear.gif

[Ara]

Barry, Thanks for sharing the beginning of these events in your life with us, it can't be easy constantly re-hashing old memories.

Hope you don't mind if I begin asking questions and making comments here and there?

All the Best
Ara

Originally Posted by THEWATCHER

Lets begin with Tuesday 10th June 1952, my birth date. We move along to 1954/55 (exact date on file but kept from me) when I was around 2, 2 and a half. That year I contracted double pnuemonia, a killer disease in the 1950's.Rushed to hospital, placed in an oxygen tent in intensive care.

My condition worsened, the staff advised my parents to bring in a priest and read my last rites, which they did. I actually died for a few minutes.

This is the spooky part. I viewed my small body laying in the bed, my parents sobbing, staff and priest comforting them. I viewed this from the ceiling looking down.

Then suddenly a bright light, a whoosh sensation as if being accelerated from stop to high speed then back in my body.

Coughing, spluttering and watching mayhem as bewildered staff and parents realised i'd come back to life.

To avoid a very lengthy narrative i will shorten to basics if thats ok.

At around age 4 or 5 an event which involved all my family.

I recall being in the family front room of our home, awaiting the return of my father.

Suddenly there was panic, a large black cloudlike thing was ascending the stairs leading up to our front door.

We rushed into the front room and hid behind the large sofa.

We watched as the cloud drifted into the room, within seconds my father entered the room, hearing our screams i guess, he passed thru the cloud then stopped suddenly as if not knowing where he was or what he was doing.

*** So the energy had an effect on his mental faculties? Was it EM?

Barry do you think the cloudlike thing could have been a 'shroud'? A type of energy cloak which prevents something else from being seen?

The cloud started to move towards us, behind the sofa. I last recall much screaming, then nothing.

Strange as it may seem we as a family only briefly discussed this event years later, brushing it to one side.

I used to like playing in the back garden of this house of ours, I'd often take my toys out there and play in the dirt.

Around age 5 again one event still puzzles me to this day.

It was a bright warmish day as i took my toys out to play.

Its bright daylight one minute then pitch black and night time the next, I'm still sitting in the garden playing. I do not recall even being brought indoors by my parents.

*** So you have lost time and a gap in your memory. Both indications that whomever took you (assuming you were taken) didn't have the ability to return you with no passage of time. Barry, Milab?

Same time range again, around 5 years old. I'm watching the small black n white tv in the front room, not sure whom else is with me. Its a programme i cannot recall and paying attention on and off. Then suddenly the picture changes. This is an era of no remote controls and so any channel switching was done from the tv itself, no one did that. The screen changed to a scene showing an ordinary street with houses and a few cars. It was a very bright sunlit day, glaringly bright. A shiny disc shaped object lands in the road, a door or hatch opens. Not sure if I saw someone/something exit the disc or I knew they would, just as suddenly the picture returned to its original programme.
Later in time I asked other family members if they witnessed this but no one else did and all I received was shrugs from shoulders!!.

*** This may have been a 'channel check' to see what ports were open and what 'frequency' they could use for mental projection purposes.

We moved from this house in 1957 to go to a brand new housing estate less than a mile away, the Thames View Estate, not far from the then Barking power station.
It was whilst still at Felton road that I became involved with the genetic survey, at around age 4 or 5 (again, exact date on file but kept from me).

***Barry, your parents were brought together because of genetic traits they each held for the purpose of creating a certain type of offspring?

Generational selective breeding.

The beginnings of many hospital visits, blood tests, x rays, other procedures, injections etc etc.

***Tweaking and fine tuning your genetic structure?

Taken by parents or collected by men in suits in a car to these procedures and tests.

[THEWATCHER]

Originally Posted by Ara

Barry, Thanks for sharing the beginning of these events in your life with us, it can't be easy constantly re-hashing old memories.

Hope you don't mind if I begin asking questions and making comments here and there?

All the Best
Ara

questions and observations are perfectly ok.

[THEWATCHER]

I recall being in the family front room of our home, awaiting the return of my father.

Suddenly there was panic, a large black cloudlike thing was ascending the stairs leading up to our front door.

We rushed into the front room and hid behind the large sofa.

We watched as the cloud drifted into the room, within seconds my father entered the room, hearing our screams i guess, he passed thru the cloud then stopped suddenly as if not knowing where he was or what he was doing.

*** So the energy had an effect on his mental faculties? Was it EM?
It had the effect of wiping his memory there and then, left bewildered and shook up

Barry do you think the cloudlike thing could have been a 'shroud'? A type of energy cloak which prevents something else from being seen?
To be honest it could have been literally anything, it was very traumatic

The cloud started to move towards us, behind the sofa. I last recall much screaming, then nothing.

Strange as it may seem we as a family only briefly discussed this event years later, brushing it to one side.

I used to like playing in the back garden of this house of ours, I'd often take my toys out there and play in the dirt.

Around age 5 again one event still puzzles me to this day.

It was a bright warmish day as i took my toys out to play.

Its bright daylight one minute then pitch black and night time the next, I'm still sitting in the garden playing. I do not recall even being brought indoors by my parents.

*** So you have lost time and a gap in your memory. Both indications that whomever took you (assuming you were taken) didn't have the ability to return you with no passage of time. Barry, Milab?
The annoying thing being details are on my files but am denied access to many instances

Same time range again, around 5 years old. I'm watching the small black n white tv in the front room, not sure whom else is with me. Its a programme i cannot recall and paying attention on and off. Then suddenly the picture changes. This is an era of no remote controls and so any channel switching was done from the tv itself, no one did that. The screen changed to a scene showing an ordinary street with houses and a few cars. It was a very bright sunlit day, glaringly bright. A shiny disc shaped object lands in the road, a door or hatch opens. Not sure if I saw someone/something exit the disc or I knew they would, just as suddenly the picture returned to its original programme.
Later in time I asked other family members if they witnessed this but no one else did and all I received was shrugs from shoulders!!.

*** This may have been a 'channel check' to see what ports were open and what 'frequency' they could use for mental projection purposes.
Perhaps

We moved from this house in 1957 to go to a brand new housing estate less than a mile away, the Thames View Estate, not far from the then Barking power station.
It was whilst still at Felton road that I became involved with the genetic survey, at around age 4 or 5 (again, exact date on file but kept from me).

***Barry, your parents were brought together because of genetic traits they each held for the purpose of creating a certain type of offspring?
That is something that was arranged just as my first marriage was

Generational selective breeding.
It would appear so, like many others

The beginnings of many hospital visits, blood tests, x rays, other procedures, injections etc etc.

***Tweaking and fine tuning your genetic structure?
Much was done to me and the likes of me

Taken by parents or collected by men in suits in a car to these procedures and tests.



Regards


THE WATCHER

[Ara]

Originally Posted by THEWATCHER

I recall being in the family front room of our home, awaiting the return of my father.

Suddenly there was panic, a large black cloudlike thing was ascending the stairs leading up to our front door.

We rushed into the front room and hid behind the large sofa.

We watched as the cloud drifted into the room, within seconds my father entered the room, hearing our screams i guess, he passed thru the cloud then stopped suddenly as if not knowing where he was or what he was doing.

*** So the energy had an effect on his mental faculties? Was it EM?
It had the effect of wiping his memory there and then, left bewildered and shook up

Barry do you think the cloudlike thing could have been a 'shroud'? A type of energy cloak which prevents something else from being seen?
To be honest it could have been literally anything, it was very traumatic

The cloud started to move towards us, behind the sofa. I last recall much screaming, then nothing.

Strange as it may seem we as a family only briefly discussed this event years later, brushing it to one side.

I used to like playing in the back garden of this house of ours, I'd often take my toys out there and play in the dirt.

Around age 5 again one event still puzzles me to this day.

It was a bright warmish day as i took my toys out to play.

Its bright daylight one minute then pitch black and night time the next, I'm still sitting in the garden playing. I do not recall even being brought indoors by my parents.

*** So you have lost time and a gap in your memory. Both indications that whomever took you (assuming you were taken) didn't have the ability to return you with no passage of time. Barry, Milab?
The annoying thing being details are on my files but am denied access to many instances

Same time range again, around 5 years old. I'm watching the small black n white tv in the front room, not sure whom else is with me. Its a programme i cannot recall and paying attention on and off. Then suddenly the picture changes. This is an era of no remote controls and so any channel switching was done from the tv itself, no one did that. The screen changed to a scene showing an ordinary street with houses and a few cars. It was a very bright sunlit day, glaringly bright. A shiny disc shaped object lands in the road, a door or hatch opens. Not sure if I saw someone/something exit the disc or I knew they would, just as suddenly the picture returned to its original programme.
Later in time I asked other family members if they witnessed this but no one else did and all I received was shrugs from shoulders!!.

*** This may have been a 'channel check' to see what ports were open and what 'frequency' they could use for mental projection purposes.
Perhaps

We moved from this house in 1957 to go to a brand new housing estate less than a mile away, the Thames View Estate, not far from the then Barking power station.
It was whilst still at Felton road that I became involved with the genetic survey, at around age 4 or 5 (again, exact date on file but kept from me).

***Barry, your parents were brought together because of genetic traits they each held for the purpose of creating a certain type of offspring?
That is something that was arranged just as my first marriage was


***Generational selective breeding.
It would appear so, like many others

The beginnings of many hospital visits, blood tests, x rays, other procedures, injections etc etc.

***Tweaking and fine tuning your genetic structure?
Much was done to me and the likes of me

Taken by parents or collected by men in suits in a car to these procedures and tests.

Regards


THE WATCHER

Barry, thanks for answering these questions. How frustrating to be denied access to the details in your own file.

Do you know who supplied the details in your file?

If if was a MILAB event then that explains why they have the details, but if it wasn't MILAB and was 'other' then who and how were the details supplied?

I imagine they aren't going to share that with you either?

Barry do you remember if the cloudlike phenomena came through a portal?

All the Best
Ara

[THEWATCHER]

Originally Posted by Ara

Barry, thanks for answering these questions. How frustrating to be denied access to the details in your own file.
They say it would cause unnecessary trauma and confusion if i had access, so ok i'm prepared to leave it for now

Do you know who supplied the details in your file?
the files are made up of mostly UK and USA governments departments data

If if was a MILAB event then that explains why they have the details, but if it wasn't MILAB and was 'other' then who and how were the details supplied?
Remember, there are several variations on the Milab theme

I imagine they aren't going to share that with you either?
Hints and clues given over time in order to see if I could work it out myself

Barry do you remember if the cloudlike phenomena came through a portal?
Can only recall what I've stated already, nothing more sorry

All the Best
Ara

Regards



THE WATCHER

[THEWATCHER]

We moved from that TVE house in March of '59 to the house that became my
home for 20 years, a house in Goresbrook Road overlooking Castle Green
park, less than a mile away.
Right from the off I started having bad dreams, almost nightmares in a
way. The dream was always the same, in the middle of the night i would
go downstairs, and stand outside the front room door. Petrified. In the
dream i 'knew' there were small hooded beings in that room. They were
walking slowly around the large table in the middle of the room. I 'knew' they wished me evil in the dream. This went on for months. I tried telling my parents but they would have none of it.

Then one night i awoke with a thirst, my throat was burning, so not wishing to disturb my parents i went downstairs to get a cold drink. I did not even think of the dreams as i slowly and quietly made my way down the stairs.It was only once standing outside the front room door, which i had to pass on the way to the kitchen, that the dream forced its way into my head. I stood shaking, listening at the door, ready to bolt back upstairs.

For some reason, even at that early age, i needed to face this and prove to myself it was only a dream.I slowly turned the door knob and edged into the dark room, i reached for the light switch and flicked on the main light. There in the room stood several hooded small figures around the table. Each looked down so i could not see any faces. Then one lifted its head and just as it was about to remove the hood it went all dark. I awoke next morning with no recall. My parents enquired as to who went downstairs during the night as the front room light was left on and door left open. My siblings told them it was me.
I never had that dream again.




Moving onto 1962, age 10. Opposite the house in Goresbrook road at that time was the park, tennis courts and a playground with swings, roundabouts etc. It was here the next strange experience took place. Myself and my siblings were in the park one bright day. We were playing on one of the roundabouts called a 'spider'. It was a tubular metal whell with spokes on a central hub. Besides pushing the wheel round whilst standing it was possible to lay on the ground underneath, right next to the central hub and use ones feet to push the wheel faster. We were doing this on that day. I was underneath pushing whilst my brothers and sister we sitting on the wheel.

I guess i was using too much footwork, pushing the wheel faster and faster, my older sister by 2 years fell off and bashed her knee on the concrete, making it bleed. Howls of pain and tears she and my brothers made for home 150 yds away. Thinking i'm really going to get a ticking off i remained under the wheel. It was bright daylight as i lay there gazing up at the sky between the bars of the wheel. I noticed a jet black speck in the sky and was transfixed on this. The speck got bigger and bigger, it was circular, disc shaped. It got bigger and bigger as i lay watching it. When it looked to be so big i saw very little else it all went black. I next remember slowly skulking back homewards, hands in pockets looking down thinking i'm gonna get a pasting for letting my sister get injured in the park.

This went out of my memory until a while later when i kept getting flashbacks and dreams of that. After a time i remembered it fully, up till the point where the black disc almost filled the sky, then nothing, walking home.

[THEWATCHER]

1962 to 1967 consisted mostly of a great deal of genetic survey type processes being done, visits to various hospitals and other establishments including Harwell. Much of this ceased at age 15 when i left school and began working.

Regards


THE WATCHER

[THEWATCHER]

My entrance to the weird world of Ufo's began after seeing a two page spread in the newspaper Daily Mirror, regarding the strange happenings in the Wiltshire town of Warminster.. The Warminster 'Thing'
This was in 1965 following the events in that town Xmas morning of 1964. My interest followed onto obtaining books on the subject and reading whatever i could on this fascinating topic. By 1968 I was in full swing, even joined BUFORA, British Ufo Research Association, and from 1974 as a field investigator for them.


THE WATCHER

[THEWATCHER]

Posting shortly, 1970 to 1974..............This is when it starts to get really weird.........................

THE WATCHER