Questions for THEWATCHER

[THEWATCHER]

Originally Posted by Steve_A

Hi THEWATCHER,

If I'm wrong, then Wikipedia is wrong. Actualkly your page there was deleted as none of the information presented could be verified, but I'm sure there they must have a different criteria.

But as I stated various times in these forums, it's up to each and every one of us to accept or not what is being posted.

I have not slandered, nor mis-represented anybody, nor have I insulted or threatened anybody.

However, if you feel that you have been hard done to by me, please enter in contact with Colin or any of the other moderators.

Best regards,

Steve

IF you continue with the false data, incorrect assumptions and leading others along the pathway of falsehood then i certainly will inform Bill and Kerry of your posts here. After all a moderator is supposed to be impartial and certainly not capable of posting false information as you have done. I have countered attacks (not just verbal) by the best of them and still survived. These false data serve as an irritant only but must be corrected as YOU might lead people along the wrong path


THE WATCHER

[Steve_A]

Hi THEWATCHER,

One should do what one feels the right thing to do.

You may speak with Kerry and Bill, by all means. Once again I have nothing to hide.

As for being impartial, I am exactly that. I think in another post I stated that I would not express my personal views and that each person should draw their own conclusions. If that is not being impartial, I don't know what is.

It is not my intention to lead people along any path, least the wrong one. Each one is free to say what they like as long as they follow the forum guidelines of not threatening, being abusive, racist, sexist (or any other 'ist'). If anyone deliberately lies to try and grab limelight they can, once again it's for the individual to arrive at their own conclusion.

To be quite honest with you, I'm really suprised that you are so taken aback about things others have found on the internet. But then, that is your right also.

Best regards,

Steve

Originally Posted by THEWATCHER

IF you continue with the false data, incorrect assumptions and leading others along the pathway of falsehood then i certainly will inform Bill and Kerry of your posts here. After all a moderator is supposed to be impartial and certainly not capable of posting false information as you have done. I have countered attacks (not just verbal) by the best of them and still survived. These false data serve as an irritant only but must be corrected as YOU might lead people along the wrong path


THE WATCHER

[THEWATCHER]

Originally Posted by Steve_A

Hi THEWATCHER,

One should do what one feels the right thing to do.

You may speak with Kerry and Bill, by all means. Once again I have nothing to hide.

As for being impartial, I am exactly that. I think in another post I stated that I would not express my personal views and that each person should draw their own conclusions. If that is not being impartial, I don't know what is.

It is not my intention to lead people along any path, least the wrong one. Each one is free to say what they like as long as they follow the forum guidelines of not threatening, being abusive, racist, sexist (or any other 'ist'). If anyone deliberately lies to try and grab limelight they can, once again it's for the individual to arrive at their own conclusion.

To be quite honest with you, I'm really suprised that you are so taken aback about things others have found on the internet. But then, that is your right also.

Best regards,

Steve

No 'limelight' being grabbed here, I'm helping people, freely. Your info was incorrect and yes fed up with such over the years. Check, those tapes from Miles NOT me, never had Cds from my disclosures made by me and sold. Let others here see what you are implying too. You have provided incorrect info and i corrected you. I have freely, at my own time and expense, supplied a number of members here with DVDs and CDs of past materials in order to let them see all available data. These included copies of those Bases DVDs as put together and sold by Miles. Copies on CD of the complete Voice files, copies on CD of FSR mag archive showing my work as published by that mag in the 70's. I do not need constant radio interviews or mag slots, i'm happy to answer questions freely and advise where i can. I do not seek publicity nor seek any financial gain from my disclosures. Let everyone here make their mind up as to my integrity. So, has it sunk in yet that Miles Johnston put together and sells all that video material? I hope so as any further aspersions on my character will be dealt with.


THE WATCHER

BTW I do not need to threaten anyone, no reason to, but i will stand up for myself when subjected to lies, false info and indeed threats from others.

Originally Posted by THEWATCHER

No 'limelight' being grabbed here, I'm helping people, freely. Your info was incorrect and yes fed up with such over the years. Check, those tapes from Miles NOT me, never had Cds from my disclosures made by me and sold. Let others here see what you are implying too. You have provided incorrect info and i corrected you. I have freely, at my own time and expense, supplied a number of members here with DVDs and CDs of past materials in order to let them see all available data. These included copies of those Bases DVDs as put together and sold by Miles. Copies on CD of the complete Voice files, copies on CD of FSR mag archive showing my work as published by that mag in the 70's. I do not need constant radio interviews or mag slots, i'm happy to answer questions freely and advise where i can. I do not seek publicity nor seek any financial gain from my disclosures. Let everyone here make their mind up as to my integrity. So, has it sunk in yet that Miles Johnston put together and sells all that video material? I hope so as any further aspersions on my character will be dealt with.


THE WATCHER

BTW I do not need to threaten anyone, no reason to, but i will stand up for myself when subjected to lies, false info and indeed threats from others.

We all have the God given unalienable right to be free from threat. I am pleased to see that we agree on that point. Some values are worth defending to the death.

[THEWATCHER]

Dr Greer PLF interview data and links.........

http://www.uforc.com/database/Stagecraft-020808.htm

https://www.goldenplanetforum.com/vi...st=0&sk=t&sd=a

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Steven Greer: Well, of course, she's asking me this question so I have to answer it in -

with the statement that the question is based on facts not in evidence. My own assessment of

this is as follows. There's a lot of mythology around this subject. I personally don't see

that there's any evidence at all that there's some sort of a group of extraterrestrial

lifeforms that are calling the shots at all. Now, we have had interaction with various

extraterrestrial civilizations and my understanding, from people I have on the inside, there

are several dozen, maybe upwards of up in the fifty to seventy range of different star

systems with people that have been documented over the decades. However, I think that

they're more concerned with our own ability to cause trouble not only here, but out in space

as we develop the ability to go out in space with weapons. There's no evidence, in my

opinion, that there's hostile intent in the least from these civilizations, and if that were

so, we'd have known about it a long time ago. Now, there are reports of different strange

looking creatures and I'm going to step into an area here that sounds really science

fiction, but I can't ignore it because I have multiple different corroborating people who've

worked in facilities where this stuff's going on, where we have engaged in really

extraordinary genetic experiments and have come up with things that are called PLF's, and

this a Programmed Life Form. Now, Programmed Life Form is a human created thing that looks

alien, because it's really quite bizarre, but it's not extraterrestrial. Now, people look at

it and they go, "Well, this was what was going on in the Four Corners area around Dulce"

[New Mexico]. There's a facility that's underground in England that I have a couple of

people who've worked in and who have recounted this and they have seen these sort of

creatures, but they are not of extraterrestrial origin. They're of human manufacture. Now,

if you can imagine what's gone on covertly from the forties to today in the area of

antigravity and energy generation and of the ability to electronically "dematerialize and

re-materialize" objects, all this has been going on in the human domain. The similar level

of technology advancement has occurred in the biological and genetic area. Don't think that

whatever was Dolly the sheep was the first thing we've ever cloned or experimented with. So

there have been extraordinary projects going on within these same sort of mad scientist

covert programs dealing with this stuff and it has been used to give people the impression

that those things are "aliens." Now, the whole thing gets very complex because what I

believe is that the majority of what people have been told, and maybe have seen, is really a

human created smoke screen, a sort of a - it's like a - you know, the Wizard of Oz with the

old man behind the curtain...



George Noory: Yes.
THAT BIT THAT COUNTS................

Now, there are reports of different strange looking creatures and I'm going to step into an

area here that sounds really science fiction, but I can't ignore it because I have multiple

different corroborating people who've worked in facilities where this stuff's going on,

where we have engaged in really extraordinary genetic experiments and have come up with

things that are called PLF's, and this a Programmed Life Form. Now, Programmed Life Form is

a human created thing that looks alien, because it's really quite bizarre, but it's not

extraterrestrial. Now, people look at it and they go, "Well, this was what was going on in

the Four Corners area around Dulce" [New Mexico]. There's a facility that's underground in

England that I have a couple of people who've worked in and who have recounted this and they

have seen these sort of creatures, but they are not of extraterrestrial origin. They're of

human manufacture.


http://www.disclosureproject.org/Tra...BellDec502.htm

[Steve_A]

Hi THEWATCHER,

Dr. Steven Greer probably does have a couple of people from the UK admitting to this.

Unfortunately this doesn't prove that they were indeed you and a work coleague as the citation is very generic, it dosn't even mention the name of the top secret underground base.

He also said, very well documented in his OFICIAL video when asked about possible hoaxers, that he was an emergency doctor and most of the time the people that came in to see him were genuine, but occasionally there would be one or two faining illnes just to get their hands on medicines. It comes with the job. However his coleague came up with the suggestion, which I agree with, that within this realm of 'witnesses' coming forward, and there were many (didn't see your name there - sorry) only one has to be telling the truth and proven and the whole Alien question would be proven without doubt.

By the way, I hope I will be allowed to ask you questions in the future without you ruffling your feathers too much.

There are many who tell the truth and once again, I'm not saying that you aren't, or are, I keep my own opinion to myself. I'm just saying that each and every one of us should come to their own conclusion.

Best regards,

Steve

Originally Posted by THEWATCHER

Dr Greer PLF interview data and links.........

http://www.uforc.com/database/Stagecraft-020808.htm

https://www.goldenplanetforum.com/vi...st=0&sk=t&sd=a

Steven Greer: There's a facility that's underground in England that I have a couple of people who've worked in and who have recounted this and they
have seen these sort of creatures, but they are not of extraterrestrial origin. They're of human manufacture.

http://www.disclosureproject.org/Tra...BellDec502.htm

[Ara]

Hi Barry,

Welcome back to the forum. I see there has been some saber rattling happening of late.

Barry in every adversity there is the possibility of something positive coming out of it. All these subtle innuendos being bandied about in this thread and James' thread can serve you if you use them as a platform to bring your facts to the forefront.

If someone wants to play the agent provocateur routine then use that to serve your mission.

It's the reason we were awarded 'intelligence' to begin with, so we could outwit certain forces.

All the Best
Ara

[THEWATCHER]

Originally Posted by Steve_A

Hi THEWATCHER,

Dr. Steven Greer probably does have a couple of people from the UK admitting to this.

Unfortunately this doesn't prove that they were indeed you and a work coleague as the citation is very generic, it dosn't even mention the name of the top secret underground base.

He also said, very well documented in his OFICIAL video when asked about possible hoaxers, that he was an emergency doctor and most of the time the people that came in to see him were genuine, but occasionally there would be one or two faining illnes just to get their hands on medicines. It comes with the job. However his coleague came up with the suggestion, which I agree with, that within this realm of 'witnesses' coming forward, and there were many (didn't see your name there - sorry) only one has to be telling the truth and proven and the whole Alien question would be proven without doubt.

By the way, I hope I will be allowed to ask you questions in the future without you ruffling your feathers too much.

There are many who tell the truth and once again, I'm not saying that you aren't, or are, I keep my own opinion to myself. I'm just saying that each and every one of us should come to their own conclusion.

Best regards,

Steve

That was rather remiss of Greer to omit my name and that of the other witness LOL LOL How many others were coming forward from 1994 onwards with the term PLF or PGLF i wonder?, none, as i was the very first. There are over 500 witnesses i'm told on Dr Greer's books so a full list of everyone involved might not be freely available. You may ask questions, I may or may not answer depending on attitude. Perhaps his way of keeping his witnesses testimony safe is to not divulge facility names?.

Regards


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[Steve_A]

Hi THEWATCHER,

I can't really say why Greer omotted any names from his list of 500. I was not aware (or was I?) that you invented the term PLF or PLGF. I should get those terms registered so you can keep the copyright on them.

As for protecting his witnesses, I have seen his publications and his thing is to have people 'come out' so's to speak and confront the US Congress.

At the same time you... er sorry... a publisher of no connection, of course, had video tapes publicising the fact. I mean it must have been common knowledge by that stage. Right?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to steal the wind from your sail, I was under the impression that 'James Casbolt' was trying to do that. I'm not arguing that you were not a ufologist in the 70s.

Why, if you were so well known, did the RAF hire you, a lowly civilian in the forefront of certain UFO magazines, as a part time security guard, at their most secret underground base in the UK, with the highest level of security with PLFs walking about the place, even the big ugly ones....twice!

I'm sure it must have been an oversight of HM forces, just as Greers' in not mentioning your name.

Best regards,

Steve



You did actually participate with Greer, as a ufologist and not as a whistleblower

Originally Posted by THEWATCHER

That was rather remiss of Greer to omit my name and that of the other witness LOL LOL How many others were coming forward from 1994 onwards with the term PLF or PGLF i wonder?, none, as i was the very first. There are over 500 witnesses i'm told on Dr Greer's books so a full list of everyone involved might not be freely available. You may ask questions, I may or may not answer depending on attitude. Perhaps his way of keeping his witnesses testimony safe is to not divulge facility names?.

Regards


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[Orion11]

same ol' from steve, how nice.

amonsgt other things,
you are very patronizing steve,

that is worse than allot of things.

still a mod huh?

crazy universe , man.

tsk tsk.

[THEWATCHER]

Originally Posted by Steve_A

Hi THEWATCHER,

I can't really say why Greer omotted any names from his list of 500. I was not aware (or was I?) that you invented the term PLF or PLGF. I should get those terms registered so you can keep the copyright on them.

As for protecting his witnesses, I have seen his publications and his thing is to have people 'come out' so's to speak and confront the US Congress.

At the same time you... er sorry... a publisher of no connection, of course, had video tapes publicising the fact. I mean it must have been common knowledge by that stage. Right?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to steal the wind from your sail, I was under the impression that 'James Casbolt' was trying to do that. I'm not arguing that you were not a ufologist in the 70s.

Why, if you were so well known, did the RAF hire you, a lowly civilian in the forefront of certain UFO magazines, as a part time security guard, at their most secret underground base in the UK, with the highest level of security with PLFs walking about the place, even the big ugly ones....twice!

I'm sure it must have been an oversight of HM forces, just as Greers' in not mentioning your name.

Best regards,

Steve



You did actually participate with Greer, as a ufologist and not as a whistleblower

FOR THE RECORD....................Miles Johnston filmed put together, edited, packaged and sold those VHS vids from the 90's. Its getting tiresome your sly ways of trying to make me look a liar. I did not invent the term PLF or PGLF I was the first to publicly state these terms as used by the facility. I am not the only one whose name does not appear on Dr Greers lists. I have correspondence and emails proving my association but why should i bother to go out of my way. Keep the thoughts you have on this. As for lowly security guard, we were not guards, as in civilian guards protecting warehouses for christs sake. Security Enforcement Officers with a great deal of intensive training and a 3 week process of desensitisation. Not going to bother to detail that here. It was NOT RAF, Miles misquotes that many times, nothing to do with RAF, the facility is joint NSA/USAF. A very long and complicated process involved re my past association with government will show you that i was not an unknown to them. This goes back to childhood, and continued into adulthood with close associations especially during the 1970's. In short i was already involved with them. Being a high profile researcher within ufo field in the 70's, my move to the West Country in 1979 placed me in an ideal position to be 'persuaded' to join the facility. Someday i might recount all this, as have done in great detail in past. Quite frankly Steve your constant irritating digs are proving an annoyance as you keep trying to insinuate certain things which you know are incorrect but have to pee me off for the sake of it. I'm surprised that you continue to try and undermine my claims with your constant nick picking. All here can see what you are doing. Would you have the cheek or audacity to do this to others? Or is it simply that i'm here at this forum i'm an easy target?


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[Steve_A]

Hi THEWATCHER,

It is getting rather tiresome, I'll grant you that. It was interesting to note that the videos were published from the nineties, around the same time that you started to offer your claims of Peasmore to the public.

I know of NO USAF operations in the UK that are not on RAF soil. However we may check out at this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templat...ases_in_the_UK

If you can show me that I am wrong, with some sort of detail that I perhaps have overlooked I would be most grateful.

I think it better to conclude that, between you and I, we know the truth, the real truth, (I know your history). I like the truth, as the truth is innocent, it is unique, it's absolute as there is only one.

Once again, we should leave the members of the forum decide for themselves.

Best regards,

Steve - watching even closer, with a magnifying glass.

Originally Posted by THEWATCHER

[B]FOR THE RECORD....................Miles Johnston filmed put together, edited, packaged and sold those VHS vids from the 90's. Its getting tiresome your sly ways of trying to make me look a liar. I did not invent the term PLF or PGLF I was the first to publicly state these terms as used by the facility.

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[Dantheman62]

I have a question for TheWatcher, I know that SolInvictus was happily posting all over this forum with no problems, and for a long time now. All of a sudden one day he pointed fingers at you and James and poof! he got the "6am knock", so my question I guess is what did you have to do with that?, if anything, seems awful strange to me that's all. Is somebody watching you who then jumped on him? If that is the case then I'm glad this is my first and last question! I mean no disrespect, just wondering!

[Orion11]

sup dan, ill toss my 2 cents in if i may... lol
i think its just more paranoia man.
i doubt anyone was after sol for posting in this thread.
highly doubt it.

prolly jus paranoid as it is,
we can make ourselves think anything..
like people are after us, coming to give us the "6 am knock"..
then the mind can link together everything that happens if it wants,
and tell itself stories.

the mind is a powerful thing... and we can make ourselves believe anything if we want to.

barry.. you have my address... maybe send me a 6 am knock so i can see what its all about? ill even answer the door. lol
Bless

edit:.. ohh yeah.. fwiw,..... for the record.. i have a very very hard time believing most of what james casbolt says. lol
barry on the other hand, i get a bit of a different vibe from.......

and its not like sol deleted his account. he'll be back.

peace

[Dantheman62]

doh!....paranoia deep destroya...."The Kinks"....Oh and I would prefer the 10 to 11am knock, thank you!

[Orion11]

"just cuz yer paranoid doesnt mean theyre not out to get you"

lol

[THEWATCHER]

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

I have a question for TheWatcher, I know that SolInvictus was happily posting all over this forum with no problems, and for a long time now. All of a sudden one day he pointed fingers at you and James and poof! he got the "6am knock", so my question I guess is what did you have to do with that?, if anything, seems awful strange to me that's all. Is somebody watching you who then jumped on him? If that is the case then I'm glad this is my first and last question! I mean no disrespect, just wondering!

Sol, like Steve had his own agenda. He actually sent me a PM which seemed to portray him as a very happy bunny!! I can post it here for all to see if ya like. There is nothing menacing around here, if Sol said he got a 6am knock it was probably the paper boy wanting his xmas bonus or the milkman requiring payment LOL LOL. I do not need to send anyone around. IF someone was attacking me constantly I would deal with that myself, from where i'm sitting, i'll say no more. Sol no doubt will be back. He is like many other misguided yet troublesome twonks whom delight in causing friction. Wonder if he would dare state things like that to others (oooh, deja-vu, I said this to Steve) such as Dan Burisch, Dan Sherman, Duncan O'f, John Lear, or countless others? Of course not, neither has the bottle to.

Watching much closer than you ever will Steve


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[Dantheman62]

Thanks for the reply Watcher!, with respect, Dan

And you and Steve need to have a coffee together! LOL! oops I guess you guys drink tea. HaHa

[THEWATCHER]

Somehow i do not think that will ever happen

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[Orion11]

a lil coffee and patronization? sounds good. lol
i think i would pass to.

[Carol]

Barry M. King aka 'The Watcher' & 'Big Bad wolf' at http://www.alien-ufos.com/Secret-Page-t14263.html&st=20

I noticed that you have already deleted some of the text but we do have a screen shot of it.

[Deb]

And your point is Carolyn?

[Deb]

I am very disgusted to see what is going on here with the attacks. The homework and background check has been sickening, along with the assumptions based on Miles interviews. Barry, how the hell did these guys get the idea you were making money from these vids?

[THEWATCHER]

Originally Posted by Deb

I am very disgusted to see what is going on here with the attacks. The homework and background check has been sickening, along with the assumptions based on Miles interviews. Barry, how the hell did these guys get the idea you were making money from these vids?

When cynics/skeptics/debunkers get little ideas in their heads they cannot let it go, even when the ideas are purely fiction. Why they don't just ask Miles beats me. BUT, enough is enough already. My time is too valuable to spend here whilst numb skulls ruin the disclosure for everyone else


THE WATCHER

[Steve_A]

Hi Deb,

Not wanting to bring you into the affray, but nobody said Barry was making money from his videos. I said he tried to.

The fact that something is up for sale does not mean that it will be sold! Just look at my old car!!

Best regards,

Steve

Originally Posted by Deb

I am very disgusted to see what is going on here with the attacks. The homework and background check has been sickening, along with the assumptions based on Miles interviews. Barry, how the hell did these guys get the idea you were making money from these vids?