CHRISTIANITY and avalon : a question from clark

[Dantheman62]

True!

[ctophil]

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

You make sense...

I kind of believe that what your referring to as Yahweh is a word that we use for the condenced center of energy... oneness.. god... love... any word will do....

I was also wondering if you believe in judgement...
like if I dont pray to god and I have premarital sex all the time am I going to hell?

Here is what I wrote in another thread about Hell:

Originally Posted by ctophil

Hi Peer,

Do you want to see Yahweh's mercy? Well, let me show you something. First of all, most people know that the wages of sin is death. I'm sure that you have heard of Hell before in mainstream Christianity. Hell in Hebrew is called Sheol. Sheol means "The Grave." Hell is simply a place to dump dead bodies until when? The first or second resurrection. Hell is NOT and I repeat NOT a place of eternal torment. There's no such thing as a place of eternal torment. There is a place of eternal death. But that's a different issue. That's not what the Bible teaches. The Hell doctrine by Christians is a deceptive lie. Anyways, the point is that when you die, you are just completely dead (you are unconscious or sleeping) until He resurrects you. Then, you will be judged. You will be judged based on your works. Because you (just an example, I'm not saying just you) had little faith in Yahweh or no faith at all. He will give you another chance based on what you did.

To make a long story short, depending on the individual, Yahweh does give you another chance. But in finality, it is still up to you to choose. Remember one thing, He chooses you first before you choose Him. Just think about that for a minute. If He chose you, you were chosen because your future holds much obedience and love for Him.

-Phillip

As you read in my post above, yes there will be judgement. However, Yahweh is very merciful. Still, you must think about your life and see if judgement will be harsh, given a second chance, or will you be thrown into the Lake of Fire, which is called eternal death. You will no longer exist. There is no eternal suffering, friend. But I love all human beings (and definitely Yahweh love all as well), and I want everyone to experience the Kingdom of Yahweh with me.

-Phillip

[Orion Morris]

You sound like a morman

[ctophil]

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

You sound like a morman

I have explained myself already about who I am. Mormonism is a false religion (just like all others) and a demonic cult. The Mormons may sound "nice" or whatever but they are just as bad as the Catholic Church, Islam, Christian denominations, Buddhism/Hinduism, Masons, and thousands of other false religions that can destroy you.

-Phillip

[Heretic]

at one time I had embraced the idea of hell as spiritual death

total separation from God

as in poof, your soul has been repossessed due to non payment

no more incarnations for you

I now think that the spirit cannot die so hell has kinda lost it's meaning for me ecumenically speaking

I am fond the Alex Collier way of explaining how evil is rewarded too

[Realview]

This may be a useful link regarding "Christianity" and other social religions.

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com...rs/acharya.htm

You can skip the first 6 minute intro

[Ampgod]

I am personally spiritual to a degree. It has nothing to do with any organized religion as I feel they were simply put there originally for human evolutionary purposes.


Peace,
Ampgod

[Tara]

I was raised spiritually that we are all one, and that what you say and do has a direct impact on the universe. When I was young, my mom would "tap into the universe" if she was lost in Ann Arbor, or will herself a parking spot right up front. I have studied religion independently for years. It tells us so much about our history. It seems to drive community agendas, sometimes good, sometimes not so good. I never understood the whole your Gods better than my God thing. Drives me nuts.

[Jacqui D]

Originally Posted by clarkkent

hey community,

im just taking an informal poll here.

maybe its more recent but i cant help but notice the preponderance of fundamentalist christian ideology and symbols in the forums (im not saying its bad im just noticing it)

more and more threads i see have religious overtones to them, in additon id say 50% or more peoples avatars are angels, demons or riffs on 666 etc.
as well as people talking alot about ascended "masters" light vs dark etc or talk of serpents and the like.

personally i was raised with no particular spiritual or religious ideas, religion has always seemed very very foreign and weird to me , worshipping and rituals dont really work for me ( i dont even like going to big concerts exactly because of the "worshippy" overtones)

so when im reading posts and theres so much "be a part of the light my child" and whatnot i get that same feeling of distance that i would get attending a church. i find myself in a strange situation of being with seemingly very religious (particularly christian) people (again im not saying thats bad, just very weird for me)

so my question is, how many of you out there are infact christians either now or previously were. and how many people of a buddhist, jewish, or muslim backround are here at avalon?

Oh totally agree CLARKKENT as soon as i see this i suddenly get all defensive, and don't feel comfortable.
I did go to sunday school when i was a little girl but in the 50's most kids did.
The bible never gelled with me either mever made sense to me it contridicted itself so much.

[Steven]

At this moment. I'm closer to meta-physique. I like a lot of science. I practice contemplation of both the Universe, Humanity and myself. Naturally, I'm leaning toward the cosmic Christ. The life of Buddha, Mahomet, and many others saints like Gandhi influenced my youth to feed a need of knowing.

Of course, all that is Hidden from the system calls up my curiosity.

Namaste, Steven

[Frank Samuel]

Christianity, Buddhism, Tibetan Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, or other major minor or newer versions of attribute controversy is a means to an end.The mistake most people learning about and becoming believers is that soon after you stop searching and the familiar, "I have the truth", fanaticsim version becomes too aparent and it creates disunity, disruption, belittlement, naiveness, war, hate, hell. Instead of the other way around. Why ? The answer is obvious even if most people would like to think that is not true.We attribute the dark forces to a Lucifer like being, if he existed and had something to do with the earth's creation then we have inherited part of that in our DNA. Suffice to say that hate and disunity abounds in our world.
For me I always said that, "I am my own worst enemy", self emotional discipline is no easy task. Heck but maybe I'm wrong so don't stone me, but what if I'm right !!!

[undetected]

Yeah, clarkkent, I have often the same feeling here.

It's weird. Christianity is the most aggressive and intolerant belief system on the planet, and since there are hundreds of factions of it, each claiming to be the only true one, it's obviously a pile of nonsense. Sure, based on "some" bits of truth, but if it's 10% truth and 90% nonsense, then what's the point of being a christian? You can keep the 10% of useful knowledge, and not "be christian" but rather just "be."

It is beyond me, why people who came to this forum, and therefore should be aware of the manipulative aspects of religions, as well of the realness of straight "blasphemous" things like ETs [at least blasphemous until the ****s of Vatican decided to change their view on the universe once again], can still be christian. Instead of just figuring out "I don't need this stuff anymore," they try to incorporate all this ET and whatnot stuff INTO christianity, thus creating christian faction #5648432. You know, like "I'm a christian, BUT I don't believe this or that." Ffs, don't be a christian then. It's ridiculous.

Every time I see someone quote the bible to support some christian views, I wanna throw up. The bible is so symbolic, metaphorical and unclear [and heavily censored], that you can use quotes from it to support ANY belief system, religious, philosophical, anthropological or whatever. You can find ANYTHING you want in the bible. You have people with dozens of alternative versions of history, and all of them support their theory with quotes from the bible. Bible is a joke. A bad one.

Why don't people just believe in simple "truths," not necessarily only "proven facts," but let's say "spiritual truths," without messing it all up with a religious agenda? How can people on this forum be catholic, when cathonacism is ruled by the illuminati jesuits? Really... weird.

[Dantheman62]

Originally Posted by undetected

yeah, clarkkent, i have often the same feeling here.

It's weird. Christianity is the most aggressive and intolerant belief system on the planet, and since there are hundreds of factions of it, each claiming to be the only true one, it's obviously a pile of nonsense. Sure, based on "some" bits of truth, but if it's 10% truth and 90% nonsense, then what's the point of being a christian? You can keep the 10% of useful knowledge, and not "be christian" but rather just "be."

it is beyond me, why people who came to this forum, and therefore should be aware of the manipulative aspects of religions, as well of the realness of straight "blasphemous" things like ets [at least blasphemous until the ****s of vatican decided to change their view on the universe once again], can still be christian. Instead of just figuring out "i don't need this stuff anymore," they try to incorporate all this et and whatnot stuff into christianity, thus creating christian faction #5648432. You know, like "i'm a christian, but i don't believe this or that." ffs, don't be a christian then. It's ridiculous.

Every time i see someone quote the bible to support some christian views, i wanna throw up. The bible is so symbolic, metaphorical and unclear [and heavily censored], that you can use quotes from it to support any belief system, religious, philosophical, anthropological or whatever. You can find anything you want in the bible. You have people with dozens of alternative versions of history, and all of them support their theory with quotes from the bible. Bible is a joke. A bad one.

Why don't people just believe in simple "truths," not necessarily only "proven facts," but let's say "spiritual truths," without messing it all up with a religious agenda? How can people on this forum be catholic, when cathonacism is ruled by the illuminati jesuits? Really... Weird.

amen to that!

[Luigis Mushroom]

I believe that as long as people are coming up with their own ideas and not just being fundamentalist it's fine, and as long as people are learning and sharing instead of "pouring their light on us poor ignorant heathens"

I like a lot of Christian symbolism, personally though I'm a synchromystic and like things from the media that have relevance.

[Heretic]

my take

those who have been ostracized by religion will have a knee jerk reaction to it's symbols

those who ostracized religion will have a knee jerk reaction to it's symbols

peace

[ctophil]

Hi everyone,

Just to make this clear to everybody, I want to make a few statements. First, all religions are demonic, manmade, and corrupted someway or another. This includes Christianity (which is far worse because it's the most deceptive). Secondly, there is only one Elohim (one God). There is NO OTHER. Father Yahweh is the ONLY ONE who is the creator and life itself. His first begotten Son, Yahushua (known as Jesus in the Greek world and everybody else) is the Messiah. This is the one who is basically the enforcer of all of Yahweh's laws and commandments. That's why most people call him the Master and the Teacher. He is the perfect example of Yahweh's perfection and what Elohim wants all of us to do. Yahushua has the authority AND power of all Heaven and Earth. So, he deserves to be praised for his works on Earth and Heaven. He is the basically the enforcer of Yahweh's salvation and eternal life (not the puff of smoke in this physical life). But you MUST ONLY worship the Father. But always pray in Yahushua's name.

Yes, there are some truths to SOME religions. But like I said, they got it all wrong. Either you have it all right, or none at all. Thanks for listening.

For more info., check my other post: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=5734

-Phillip

[Luigis Mushroom]

I'm sorry, but there are some lies in ALL religions so should we regard them all as completely false?

Truth comes from within, but the world around you, including its religions, can give you clues. The moment you take what someone says as truth, and not what your own heart says, you are falling prey.

All old masters said, in some form or another, to confirm their truths with their own hearts and minds before swallowing it.

[Orion Morris]

One of my favorite religious songs

OPIATE by Tool

Choices always were a problem for you.
What you need is someone strong to guide you.
Deaf and blind and dumb and born to follow,
what you need is someone strong to use you...
like me,
like me.

If you want to get your soul to heaven,
trust in me.
Don't judge or question.
You are broken now,
but faith can heal you.
Just do everything I tell you to do.
Deaf and blind and dumb and born to follow.
Let me lay my holy hand upon you.

My God's will
becomes me.
When he speaks out,
he speaks through me.
He has needs
like I do.
We both want
to rape you.

Jesus Christ, why don't you come save my life.
Open my eyes and blind me with your light
and your lies.

[norman]

Originally Posted by Luigis Mushroom

Truth comes from within,

Who Says ? !

n.

[clarkkent]

so i guess the answer is : there are a LOT of christians/former christians here.
havent heard from jews, hindu's,buddhists or muslims (nor are the lots of threads with references to their beliefs-only christians it seems, interesting)

[Heretic]

Originally Posted by clarkkent

so i guess the answer is : there are a LOT of christians/former christians here.
havent heard from jews, hindu's,buddhists or muslims (nor are the lots of threads with references to their beliefs-only christians it seems, interesting)

I would have to agree with you there Clark

most eastern religions are very compatible with the new ideologies coming to light in the last 30 years, even the alien viewpoint meshes well from the studies I have done, it is merely a translation of labels

in my eyes, this can also be done with Christianity too if you remove the concepts of original sin, Christ being the "only" way, and obedience out of fear

even when you take into account the composite character of Jesus concept, it is still an enlightening journey and I believe this is why that archetype has been used so much, even if there is some negative twists to it

I haven't seen alot of Jewish representation here either, but I figure a fundamentalist Jew would not be here in the first place, and I suspect the same about Islamism

I am still kinda shocked to see fundamentalist Christianity here and I would really like to read some positive ideas on how they mesh their beliefs with these conspiracy theories

great thread Clark, thanks for starting it

peace

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by norman

[In response to Luigis Mushroom's comment that "the truth is within"... norman replied... "Who says? !"

Who says? Jesus says.

What modern christians don't highlight much is that Jesus made a lot of statements denouncing the false priesthood who had positioned themselves between the people and their 'God'. He called the pharisees and saducees "hypocrites", "blind leaders", "false prophets", "wolves in sheep's clothing" and "sons of the devil". He compared them to "whited sepulchers full of dead men's bones".

Jesus' true message was that the key to salvation (vibrational self- elevation) is NOT the outer religion. The true key to self knowledge is that we enter the 'kingdom of God' which is the christ-consciousness or spiritual- Self. That is why Jesus said:

"The 'kingdom of heaven' is within you"

And...

"Woe unto ye lawyers!
For you have taken away the key of (self) knowledge;
Ye entered not in yourselves, (into the inner kingdom)
and those who were entering in, ye hindered".

Also...

"He that is in you (the spiritual- Self)
Is greater than he that is in the world" (the lower-ego and those who embody it)

The "kingdom" is within you because it is a state of consciousness. Jesus had realised his inner oneness with all life so he was well qualified to teach his disciples about this 'state of consciousness' and to teach the multitude by using the "kingdom of heaven" parable:

"To the multitudes he spake not without a parable
but to his disciples, he expounded all things"

The inner-consciousness is the key that the 'lawyers' had taken away. Jesus fearlessly pointed that out to them and that is what got him killed. The false priesthood were terrified of losing their power over the people, who, if they could realise the inner-spirit as the source of truth, would not need the priesthood or any other external mediators.

Nothing has really changed in that regard as the fundamentalist christian churches have degenerated into an exact replica of that phony old system that the pharisees and saducees used to rule and enslave the people. And other suspicious facsimilies are springing up around it, ie the 'crystal skulls', alien saviors in UFOs etc etc...

If Jesus was in the grave he'd be rolling in it. But he's not. He is a spiritual adept (having self-realised the inner 'kingdom") and like others who've attained spiritual self-mastery he has transcended the cycle of karma and re-incarnation and ascended to his origin in spirit. The "shift" that everyone's talking about happens to individuals at different times as each overcomes the lower-ego and transcends the re-incarnational cyle.

Jesus said:

"Be of good cheer
I have overcome the world" (the worldly consciousness of the lower-ego in myself)

He is really saying:

If I can overcome the world (by self-realisation of the Christ)
then so can you (because the same Christ spirit is in you)

[milk and honey]

Sorry Clark i just saw your post above mine. I just thought it was important to properly represent Jesus' true message because so many people dismiss a distortion which is 180 degrees from the truth. Jesus is saying basically what you're saying in many of your posts.
Christians have misunderstood him -- and misunderstand you no doubt -- and that is no accident.

[Dantheman62]

I worship and say prayer to no one. I am strong and can stand on my own. Until I meet the ultimate creator, the creator of the universe, the creator of all, I worship no one. And when I meet that creator I still will not kneel down in worship or prayer, I will simply say "nice job,well done"

[Heretic]

Originally Posted by ctophil

Hi everyone,

Just to make this clear to everybody, I want to make a few statements. First, all religions are demonic, manmade, and corrupted someway or another. This includes Christianity (which is far worse because it's the most deceptive). Secondly, there is only one Elohim (one God). There is NO OTHER. Father Yahweh is the ONLY ONE who is the creator and life itself. His first begotten Son, Yahushua (known as Jesus in the Greek world and everybody else) is the Messiah. This is the one who is basically the enforcer of all of Yahweh's laws and commandments. That's why most people call him the Master and the Teacher. He is the perfect example of Yahweh's perfection and what Elohim wants all of us to do. Yahushua has the authority AND power of all Heaven and Earth. So, he deserves to be praised for his works on Earth and Heaven. He is the basically the enforcer of Yahweh's salvation and eternal life (not the puff of smoke in this physical life). But you MUST ONLY worship the Father. But always pray in Yahushua's name.

Yes, there are some truths to SOME religions. But like I said, they got it all wrong. Either you have it all right, or none at all. Thanks for listening.

For more info., check my other post: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=5734

-Phillip

I am a little confused by your post...

isn't believing that Jesus is the living son of God, and that he is the Messiah and salvation of mankind, with all these laws and demands the very CORE of Christianity?

how can you claim to not be Christian?

not an attack, I would just like to see/hear some of the liturgy that pulls this neat trick off

peace