Come have a sit down with me around the Pot Bellied Stove and talk story.

[Labratinaz]

I, too, think this thread is the best.

I live in Northern Virginia. Rainy and cool for the most part of today. I often sit at the kitchen table with my laptop reading. I just love learning and boy, am I learning!

As I sit at the kitchen table, I look out the window and watch the finches nibbling at the sunflower seeds I put in the hanging feeder. The doves sit on the ground and pluck away at whatever the finches throw down on ground for them. Watching the birds is always calming. Like looking at fish in a glass tank. The birds have been going through a full tube of sunflower seeds a day during the summer. Now that the weather has changed they are feeding during the early mornings and afternoons. Like they have other places to go during the middle of the day. Interesting.

Seekur3: Since I have lived in AZ, the weather is a dry heat, right?! ha ha ha only an Arizonan would know how funny that is! Especially during the Monsoons. However, it seems that water is the major concern for living in AZ. Actually, now is a good time for growing broccoli, lettuce and winter tomatoes. I just love this time of year in AZ!!

I am interested in starting a small garden inside. Plant a few vege's this winter. It certainly would be a new fun thing. I have a bunch of house plants, so I figure I could try a tomato or lettuce. There is a roof window that gives my plants morning sun. Plus supplemental light, I might be able to grown some eatibles.

Thanks for starting this thread. Love it.

[Topper]

I live in a sleepy little town on Long Island. I wake just prior to the sun. I find my way downstairs in the darkness and light a fire just before I brew a pot of coffee.
I call out to my girls, Tallulah Belle and Daisy Mae, and let them out through the mud room door. Into the rear yard they romp, their paws swishing the dew covered grass, as they search curiously through the fallen leaves that have now darned their autum colors. The steam from the coffee nuzzles my nose as I rock on the porch swing and enjoy the serene morning my life has afforded me.
Peace and harmony to all....Topper

[Carol]

Aloha everyone. Well I've spent the last two weekends sitting on my bum from 8am to 5 pm learning all about aquaponics and have thought of a design systems that dirt cheap and easy to build.

One can easily have a green tank of water if they want to breed fish... but the more interesting tank is the one that feeds the fish poop to the water beds where the vegetables are grown.

I've got all the plans for a commercial system but was really thinking of what would work for a simple family. These systems have to be designed so the air bubbler gets oxygen to the fish to keep them alive, but the commercial system can cost in electricity. We were looking at both solar and wind generator to cut down on th electrical bill, however solar is also expensive. I want something, cheap, low maintenance and exceptionally effective.

The commercial system is made out of plywood and fibreglass, then coated with latex paint on the outside.. I have to check on the inside. Basically it is like building a boat inside out for the fish tank. But we also came up with a way of using stakes, rebarb, hogwire fencing or another type of flexable fencing to set up for a circular tank where a roll of foam, felt of some type of insulator could be used on the outside of the tank and then cover in gardner's shade cloth because it holds up to UV radiation and then there would be the 100 milimeter liner inside with the netting to prevent the fish from putting holes in the liner.

The fish breed when the water is warmer.

The fish water is pumped out of the fish tank into the water beds which are 12 inches high and 30 feet long. The waterbeds are covered in 2 inch foam insulation with circular holes cut into them to hold the little 2 inch basket that holds the soil and two newly sprouted seeds. Using the fish water production time is cut in half for both fruits and vegetables. One can even grow sweet lettuce successfully, tomatoes, leeks above water where the root system is down beneath the float, onions, beans.. almost anything. So these systems really work. One just has to keep the Ph right for the fish. There is no fertilazation ever needed and the kicker is one can grow prawns under the floats as well. They get huge 8 - 12 inches. The fish we use is Talipia or catfish. We were thinking of doing an experiment of growing rice and Taro as well. One method would be to use organic cotton and place over a coat wire mesh roll directly over the water instead of the float rafts and see how that work. The fish tank has to be covered either with shade cloth or some type of roof to prevent algea buildup.. just as the waterbeds need to be covered with the rafts for the same reason.

What is exciting is how easily it is to grow one's own food and have it filled with nutrition. One is producing their own fish to eat, prawns, vegetables and fruit in a very small space. This system can also easily go into a green house in cold climate areas as well.

While I was away in the trainings my husband made a leg band for the young chicken that has been living in the bathroom since she was a hatchling so he can take her out for walks without fear she'll take off and get attacked by the older hens. So he comes home for lunch today and puts her little leg leash on and off they go outside for a walk. It is too funny.

[Trishsgate]

Good evening everyonel hope all is well and you are enjoying life. I need to get close to that stove tonight as it is 41 degrees right now.

A little hectic week for me I have been printing out recipes of how to make things for quite a large group of people in the business community as well as locals, some talks with the community on sustainability, they are very excited on saving money in these times.

Spent this day mostly inside. We are prepping the garden for next year clearing some additional land and getting ready to plow it under. We are also looking at designs for a large greenhouse that we can heat through the winter months. Also clearing the land for a dome home. Lastly donated some food Saturday to the needy in our area.

I can sense worry and uncertainty within the people of our community many are definetly concerned, I try to calm as much as possible and to give some tips that may restore calmness and contentment to their lives that is the best I can do right now.

Love & Peace
Trish

[Labratinaz]

The coffee is steaming. The sun is peaking out from between the clouds. The kitchen is warming up as the sun light comes into the window past my houseplants. It is supposed to be a rainy windy day today. Maybe the sun is only saying "Howdy" for a short while.

Anyone here try indoor vegetable gardening? Any tricks?

The finches are back. They are fighting with one another for a perch. Doves are on the ground picking and poking for seeds.

What a glorious day in the neighborhood!! Enjoy!

[Topper]

keep plants far enough from the window that they don't feel the change in temp. Keep your room temp constant. It's hard, but manageable.

[JohnWdoe]

Today i woke up and looked outside, WE HAVE A FOOT OF SNOW HERE!

no more late nights sitting outside in my spot with my protection circle (circular rocks blessed by a native shaman in my town) so i guess ill have to set it up in my basement.

Tonight we are cooking some chicken (eh, i will eat the tatters and corn) so im helping the family cook tonight, we just bought 2 bottles of whine (one from Germany and the other Canadian) so we are going to put that to the taste test! should be fun.

i just finished my last few bits of the Halloween candy left over (the first night i went ALL out) woke up the next day feeling bloated lol, still it was fun to indulge in the candy :P.

We just recently got a new dollar store in town here that sells alot of cool stuff, it really helps us because we can go buy by the bulk for cheap, good stuff.

Aside that everything has been peachy that reminds me, i have been playing my old Nintendo 64 with Mario Kart (who remembers that?), to make a long story short Peach rocks in that game, great times.

[Carol]

As some of you may have noticed I've had this overwhelming urge to clean house.. here and where I sit. In between brooms so-to-speak.

I even learned a nifty trick on how to move all the treads of one page all at once. Now if I could just manage the same trick with the floors here.

Our little chick has disappeared and our daughter was grief stricken. I'm hoping it hopped through the fence to join the chickens next door. We do have a nest of chicken hawks with a nest in th gultch next to us... but are hoping she is okay hiding in the tall ginny grass.

Saturday we went to a brithday party for our friends grandchild.. Hawaiian Cowboy style. Since we raise mini horses they were hooked up to these amish carts and took all the children for rides up and down the road. The cowboy band was excellent and we took off our shoes and had a good time dancing, twirling and spinning around.. afterwards we thought it really would be fun to learn the two-step.

This coming weekend is the construction class on how to build the aquaponic system.. we were told to wear grubby clothes. Hmmm, that seems like a serious hint there.

The weather has been very windy.. and I've been wondering if some solar flares are in the offing..

However, I did pause to wondered if something like comet might happen (which it isn't because we have ET protection) that there isn't anything in my life that I would change. I'd still get up and help our daughter get ready for school, feed the animals, sweep out the kitchen and do all of those little chores that makes up ones life.

And then.. to add a bit of zest an email was sent to me stating "We're watching you." to which I replied, "Delightful." Life is just to dang short to get caught up in being fearful when there is so much wealth to be enjoyed.. beautiful sunsets and sunrises, plants, animals, family, friends and.. chickens! It got so chilly last night I let the dog back in bed with us and the kitty crawls down under the covers too. We have our very own living FOOTWARMERS! However, for those who would like something that you don't have to feed, flax seed and rice in a 24 inch long 6 inch wide flannel bag heated for 2 or 3 minutes in the microwave is great.

I haven't posted on this thread before but I feel the need to pour out a complaint about the world, well not the world as such, just the people in it. I have bi-polar, OCD and anxiety attacks, if I don't take the darn medication and I can get so low I cannot stand being in my body and have to fight off suicide, my husband and kids love me a lot (bless them) and would be devastated if I did that. A lot of people I know who suffer from depression can be quite nice souls.

Having said that I am getting really, really, terribly depressed about other sick people who are obviously not on medication and are prone to act out on other souls because of their illness.

I read yesterday on the internet, that a beloved four year old cat was found in a school playground and by police and forensic investigations looked like it had been mutilated by a chainsaw. The owner is devasted and wants the culprits found. I pray to God and the angels to help stop this, and I know these people are sick, but I cannot cope with these things going in the world, it is just too painful. Sorry for venting.

Sometimes I think the sooner that people demise the better, sorry again.

[THE eXchanger]

i am in ontario too...
but, only a few sparkles of snow in the air, but, it is cold...
i did a little moon bathing, earlier tonight...
and, the clouds were amazing...
i hope they skip town, and, deposit their goodies,
elsewhere

ahhh...winter, the time to stay in and, get stuff done

and, the time to go out, and, ski

love/ susan
the eXchanger

Wonderful and relaxing thread. Thank you Carol.

[Antaletriangle]

Last autumn in Keswick,at The Carles/Castlerigg before a storm front straight off the atlantic gave us a bit me ducks.Selective colouring on The Carles.

[TranceAm]

This is a fun thread.. :-) Will read more on the other pages. But I think I got a hopefull and fun story to share.

Today, lazy, tired, and didn't feel like cooking, Beside that one has to open the fridge or freezer and choose........ something..
So I went to the greasy spoon..
It is a joint couple a miles down the road.. Named the Huddle House (I think.... :-)
<Insert verify web, Yep it is, the huddle House.. :-) >
They have decent food, for the price one can afford. The waiters aren't Hooters style and lacking the attitude, same with the clients so it is more like comfy place to eat some food.. (Am I boring already?) So I have some coffee, a salad, the sirlion and some sweet potato fries.. This is the only place i know, they have sweet potato fries, and I love sweet potato fries..
I am sitting by myself, enjoying me dinner, and on occasion, but not to often the friendly waitress request whether the cop of coffee needs a refill.. (Yes Europe.. Here you get a mug, and they keep refilling the damn thing like they get it from a never ending well... Instead of charging by the cup.. Talk about capitalism.. ;-)
I took 1/2 a refill to rewarm my coffee during the dinner, and noticed that shift change was nearing... So I put the tip on the table.. I felt good, the dinner was enjoyable, the waitress was friendly. I tipped 5 bucks between the astray and the empty cup.. Normally I don't go that far, since the dinner was only 14 bucks.. But I thought after this weekend... What the Hell, she makes half my pay an hour, lets have her something extra.... So I walk with the ticket to the cash register, and noticed she forgot to count the salad in the total price for the food. When I told this to the Girl at the cash register She said, well I will give you 10% discount and the salad is included in the main dish, how does that feel? Hmmmmm, Wait a sec, I want to pay for what I ate, and they give me a discount? Am I missing something here? So I said, Yes, it is alright... I payed something 13+ and was still pondering why... So I asked, Why did I get the discount? Because I pointed to what I thought was a mistake from the girl? Or that I was that honest to mention it? She laught and said.. The last... I told her, so honesty DOES pay... She answered.. Now don't be a stranger, come back again.. I answered, I will I will... In the car I remembered, the tip.. That they couldn't have known about...

So the moral of the story

:-) Friendliness and Honesty do pay for everyone :-)

I don't feel like spell checking and in this sharing mood.. Any grammatical errors you find, are yours to keep.. :-)

[Jebins]

Autumn/Fall approaches in Central Scotland. Already we have planted spring cabbage and leeks. Only three of my hens have survived from a batch of eight...(dogs got three and Mr fox got two). My apple and pear trees (2 of each) produced nothing this year. I am going to plant more in November. I have one 'raised bed' for planting veg but I am making two more as I am surrounded by fields full of rabbitts...munch...munch. Veg in raised bed was great this year....Red onion, leeks, cabbage and turnip...hey guys don't plant lettuce! waste of time and space. My dogs are all doing great (2 Parsons and 1 Border Terrier). My cat (Boris) is eating like a pig but he is too skinny....I reckon he is ill. The pic on my profile is a view from my house on Xmas day 2007....Do you like? .....

[Antaletriangle]

Originally Posted by Jebins

Autumn/Fall approaches in Central Scotland. Already we have planted spring cabbage and leeks. Only three of my hens have survived from a batch of eight...(dogs got three and Mr fox got two). My apple and pear trees (2 of each) produced nothing this year. I am going to plant more in November. I have one 'raised bed' for planting veg but I am making two more as I am surrounded by fields full of rabbitts...munch...munch. Veg in raised bed was great this year....Red onion, leeks, cabbage and turnip...hey guys don't plant lettuce! waste of time and space. My dogs are all doing great (2 Parsons and 1 Border Terrier). My cat (Boris) is eating like a pig but he is too skinny....I reckon he is ill. The pic on my profile is a view from my house on Xmas day 2007....Do you like? .....

Absolute quality my friend!!!!!!!!!!
You are the place and the 'issness' in "my little book"!!!
Scotland,for one,LEEKS are a must,you and yer personality obviously fost;i have a couple,(leeks) not growin' but in me fridge at the mo. ready for a big,beauttiful stew with some chayze an' stuff,also dogs;i love,animals generally,me being one of the family,i'm sure?!
Crikey Charlie nice s**t this-i would love to sit with you and yer family and have a Lagavullin after a good nosh up and play with yer dogs an'get some photies an'stuff.Then get me ed dine on yer settee in front of a good fire,wind howlin' away,dreamin'of the tomorrow that yesterday sang.

[seekur3]

Here in Phoenix, AZ, the warm temps are still lingering. We had a cold snap the past weekend, but it's back to 90's for awhile. Having lived here 20 years, the seasons the past couple years do seem different. The spring is cooler longer, but then the fall is warmer longer.
I've noticed the stores have fewer people, except the other 'senior' day (10% off) at the grocery store, was busier than ever before (not being a senior, I didn't know what was going on at first). A neighbor who works for the city said they're going to lay off many people due to major budget cuts. Her position, thankfully, is fairly safe. Our house taxes still went up tho.
I do get out of the city on a regular basis, which helps my sanity. Relatives in a rural area have been preparing for this for several years. I joked about them at first, but soon saw their wisdom. I would rather be with them right now, but have things to do here for a little while longer.

[sylph16]

Hey All

Lets see...i worked today(first time this week, not good), i drive a pilot car and escorted a large piece of a "walking bridge" going over a canal. The truck driver was a nice guy!

The weather was warm today for Connecticut, the trees are at peak color and some are dropping leaves...i love the crunch they make when you walk on them and they way they dance in the air when you are driving down the road.

I hung out and posted a few things on the forum, went to the new gourmet grocery store to check that out...nice!

Other then that, i hung out with the BF and played with my dogs...thankfully i was feeling better today...lately i have been in a funk, something wasn't right earlier in the week...i think i had put to much energy into Oct.14 and that def lowered my vibration...but all is well for the moment!

I wish you ALL well and send my love

Peace

sylph

[Circlewerk]

In all of this knowledge, I have found intense comfort in the moments I spend with my children.
They unintentionally help me to stay in the now, and I so appreciate them for that.

When my son was about 2 1/2, he & my daughter were playing at a friends house 5 doors down.
My friend and I were sitting on my front lawn, discussing Buddhism and the self realization center, her mother was an active buddhist and loved the lifestyle.
About 20 minutes into our conversation, my young son comes taring down the street with a sense of urgency about him..
He stops when he gets to me, puts his hands on his knees and while out of breath says, " Mommy?.....Buddha is your friend."
Then ran back to play.
My friend & I were baffled.
I'm grateful for the random, beautiful moments.
We don't subscribe to any religion, but my son, who is now almost 11, has a thing for Buddha's.
Buys them at yard sales, points them out when he see's them, etc..
Interesting, no?
This is a cozy thread, thank you for your warmth, everybody!

With loving energy~
CW

[Carol]

You won't believe it. Take a look at this.

Your very own super duper underground shelter. http://www.survivalcenter.com/UG.html
Our Under ground shelters are designed to protect from earthquake, nuclear, biological or chemical events, tornadoes, hurricanes, fires, etc., and as a home safe area. Great Idea for VIP or Executive Protection - retreat, Secure Data Storage, Backup Command Post, Remote Protective Location, and more. Our heavy duty steel reinforced under ground shelters are air tight and water tight. Your particular situation may require additional equipment.


This reminds me of an underground motor home. I remember hearing this story from a friend who knew these folks in australia who bought a series of rail cars and buried them using them as an underground tunnel system which they also took their horses through. I guess one could always just bury some good size steel culvert and at least have the basics. I was kind of hoping for a nice simple root celler... but this looks pricy and elaborate.

The Basic Under ground Shelter ( Order Code # UG1) is an internally and externally reinforced ( reminds one of a submarine ) 8 ft diameter by 27 ft long ¼ inch thick steel tank. Includes: Lockable Air valves, entrance with ladder, emergency exit, emergency hatch opening 20 ton jack system, storage shelves, paint inside and out, metal protective anodes ( to prevent rust ), wood floor down the middle approx. 6 inches high. One low volume Flush Toilet, Shower, Double Stainless Steel Kitchen Sink, Food preparation area, 4 bunks + hangers to hook up additional hammocks, etc., and lots of storage. Lifting hooks for easy installation.

All shelters are air tight and water tight. These are tried and proven shelters tested over time. Starting at $59,995.00 plus delivery and installation. YIKES!!!!

Air filtration, septic tank and hook up are optional. Why heavy duty steel? It works the best.

I just read the lifting hooks for easy insultion.. laughing I am. How the heck would we get something like that here. I'd likely be better of with an inner tube and snorkle gear... lathered with copious amounts of sun screen. I guess it's comforting to know there is an underground hidy hole.. but could you get your money back if it didn't work?

I guess one could use it as the mother-in-law habitat... or for the teens when they get noisy.. just send them below and lock the door from the outside for a little peace and quiet.

It kind of reminds me of the underground bunker house in the Eureka series. All one would need next is the talking computer to go with it.

However, I've decided that my back up plan is to throw my arms up to the heavens and shout take me quick!

Well my eyelids are saying... sleep, sleep. England is waking up and our Neatherland mod, Jenny and our UK buddys Kate, mikey, Colin are waking up and getting ready to take over the reins. Hawaii is saying Aloha and good night, while Europe is all bright eyed and bushy tailed and ready to carry the tourch. I forgot to add that Mary Lou from the mid US and Contactee77 from New Yourk are STILL UP modding. It's 2:07 am in New York where 77 is. They're the late, late, really late night shift. Shhh, 77 tends to fall asleep on his laptop. Steve from South America should be popping up soon and Johnno from Austraila is here now for their day shift, which is my shut-eye time. Amazing isn't it? We have this wonderful global community watching over both Camelot and Avalon 24/7.

[whitecrow]

Originally Posted by Carol

I just read the lifting hooks for easy insultion.. laughing I am. How the heck would we get something like that here....could you get your money back if it didn't work?

Reminds me of the 60s when my rich friends' parents all built bomb shelters in their back yards.

Originally Posted by Carol

Well my eyelids are saying... sleep, sleep. England is waking up and our Neatherland mod, Jenny and our UK buddys Kate, mikey, Colin are waking up and getting ready to take over the reins. Hawaii is saying Aloha and good night, while Europe is all bright eyed and bushy tailed and ready to carry the tourch. Steve from South America should be popping up soon and Johnno from Austraila should be on board shortly for their day shift which is my shut-eye time. Amazing isn't it. This wonderful global community we have here watching over Camelot and Avalon.

Indeed it is. And now it's my time to shut down, too. Goodnight, Avalon. I love you all!

[McMaster]

Good evening you all!
Hope you have a chair for me left. It's getting warmer here, I think we're hitting 30C° today and tomorrow mid 30s. It's good, it was quit chilly for a while. I've written a couple posts, but never really told how I ended up here and where I'm coming from. I was born in Finland at the end of 70's and had a healthy childhood, lots of playing outside with frends building tree houses and just doing things in nature. Kinda weered of from that now that I have grown older unfortunately, but it's never too late, and I can feel a change coming in my life. I don't know the direction yet, but somehow life has been throwing me around a bit. There has been the lows and highs. Big low happened when between 16 and 17 years of age. My parents divorced when I was 16. It didn't traumatize me but it wasn't a pleasant experience as lots of you would know. So I moved with my mum and little brother and 2 little sisters to a new house. Year later when I was 17 my brother died, when he was hit by an 18 wheeler. It wasn't easy but I have pulled through pretty well I think. After I turned 18 I have been going around quit a bit, neverr really setteled anywhere for longer than 2 years. Always moved from different lifestyle to another, it's been good and I have met lots of interesting people along the road. Most interesting person I have met I met in London, but I might tell about that another time. Now I'm in South Australia and have been here almost 5 years now. Life has been an eye opener and I have allways somehow known that there has to be more to this than we are told. I never really have had an influense in my life that would've told me about these things, so most what I knew about other stuff that wasn't thought at school, was from stuff I randomly happened to find from books and such. I have always been really interested about anything "paranormal" or historically fascinating such Mayans and ancient Egyptians. Or anything to do with space and astronomy and mysteries of our own history. Now in the last year or two I have been reading more and more, thanks to the interent. Ofcourse one has to be critical about what one reads, but in my opinion logic takes you a long way, and common sense. Couple months ago I found Project Camelot through David Wilcok interview, and here I am. For the last 3-4 weeks I haven't turned on TV. Most my spare time I have spent on reading on anything and everything I possibly can. And it feels good, I have been feeling different lately, I can't put my finger on it, but something. Anyhow, it's good to be here and I think I'm ready for a nice strong coffee, full cream milk and 2 sugars please.

Here is a song I would like to share with you all, lyrics in thins song pretty well defines how I feel right now.

Goldfrap - Happiness

McMaster

Nothing Happens Unless First a Dream

[norman]

Hello Carol,

Where and how you live sounds wonderful. I grew up on a small farm in the 50s-60s and we did quite a few nice things, we had hens and vegetables sheep and cattle, water from a well. I do count myself lucky that I at least had that 'basics' start.

My parents relationship was not good though. My mum was a depressive/anxiety type, which I seem to have inherited either genetically or by other means. The farm was sold in 1970 so that my mum could go back to live where she came from. It didn't do the trick. She got worse.

I reached adulthood with many 'problems' and made quite a mess of things for myself generally. Long story short, I've made quite good progress at working out the ways of the world in my head but as a 'person' I know I'm still a mess and as I start to get 'old' I feel more of 'my mum's' depression setting in.

At this time, I live in a small terraced house, I'm living on 'sick' benefit. I have a small patch of garlic in the back but I failed to dig it up this year, mainly, because of the rain ( we've had a lot of it this year ).

I'd love to just get up close to that pot bellied stove and sit quietly there bathing in that good company and hope I feel better. I know community means a lot even though self responsibility is the mantra.

Very best wishes, norman.

[Carol]

Thanksgiving 11.27.08
ModChatBox is as good as sitting around the pot-bellied stove. Please come join us for our last evenings musing.

Carol: If someone had the extra money something like this would work too. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...ed=1#post88210

Baggywrinkle: Able to withstand 300mph winds? Do you have a link? Then there is the matter of the tsunamis

Carol: woops, wrong link

Baggywrinkle: petromax lamp ran out of kero. Got real dark all of a sudden. Had to steal debs hurricane lamp...

Carol: Steel Farm Building
http://cgi.ebay.com/Steel-Farm-Build...ayphotohosting
It has to be buried 8 feet under ground

Baggywrinkle: Moore maintains you need to be at least 500ft above sea level. My home is 624 feet, cutting it very close.

Carol: http://www.backcountryedge.com/kelty...utm_medium=cpc
We have one that has two rooms with a connecting passage between. Yes, who knows where really it will be safe. The Brazil area has weathered it the best during all of previous the pole shifts

Baggywrinkle: I start to overload when I think too deep into earth changes of that magnitude. Everything else I can deal with...

Carol: MP2 and I were discussing some of the issues earlier. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8281

understood..

Baggywrinkle: Part of the Saints prophecy is being forced into tent cities. They are preparing seriously for this eventuality and like the tuttle tuff shelters http://turtletuffshelters.com/

Carol: Oh, I really like that Baggywrinkle

Baggywrinkle: AVOW has group buys on those things

Carol: That looks like the way to go depending on the price.
We're also looking at protecting our mini horses.

Baggywrinkle: and for ventilation, check this out from the rubicon. These guys actually do everything they talk about http://www.alpharubicon.com/basicnbc/safefanwar.htm

Carol: oh, this is good

Baggywrinkle: Sol Invictus seems like a serious outdoorsman. He had a problem with my cut and paste articles. I say why reinvent the wheel. I think he's alright. There's a reason he's up in those Scottish hills alone...what did he tell you?

Carol: Off grid by July.. CMEs? headed here by September.
I posted the info in the other thread.

Baggywrinkle: Where did he get his info?

Carol: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...ed=1#post88210
friends in the know

Baggywrinkle: This is in keeping with JR Moore's info about govt moving operations to be completed by Jan 2009. But it appears they are preparing for high water Google CIA & Denver together

Also the time-table for completion of the Svalbard doomsday vault

Carol: yes.. it all tends to dovetail quite nicely

Baggywrinkle: Cheese and crackers! That's an invitation to go seriously into debt. Talk about digging a hole for yourself. Do you get the feeling you will be able to come out of your shelter to hand pump water?

Carol: My water currently is above ground. Who knows? Somehow I have a feeling I will be bypassing all of this. The future is not made in cement and there will be a harvesting of souls through the portal.

I think there are other plans way beyond my limited imagination yet to unfold. As Jim Marrs says, Hope for the best and plan for the worst. So the planning gives me something to do while waiting to go back (heavenly) home.

Life is a gift and I'm just enjoying my present.

Baggywrinkle: well, on that CHEERY note. I need to get to bed. Have thee a blessed evening and may Providence light your path

Carol: Thank you.. I'm headed to bed too.

Aloha from Hawaii and Happy Thanksgiving to all.

Gareth luv.. it's your shift now.

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Carol, thankyou so much for this, as it is one of the main reasons I came to Avalon, to become part of a wonderful community of people caring about each other. I remember growing up in south Georgia, where folks gathered round at the old donut shop and talked about life. I miss those days and the sharing/caring that were considered "normal", before everyone got so paranoid of others or busy with their own lives.
As for my little space here in North Carolina, we have 7 acres that we've been clearing, getting ready for Spring planting. I grow and sell specialty flowers. I (humbly admit) am only one of two in the US approved to sell the Biltmore Estate varieties. This time of year I usually sell my beauties at the flea market near Asheville. Unfortunately, there have been few travelers to Biltmore who have stopped in at the flea market, and the regulars that do come every weekend are 95% hispanic. They tend to purchase what they need to live on, which is understandable. As a result, I've had to close my shop there and try to rethink my business.
I will say that having time off from being busy working has given me an opportunity to learn so much about our world, that I would not have had time for otherwise. I spent yesterday (Thanksgiving) watching 8 hours of video from Nassim Haramein, and was extremely excited to learn about his work. His personality is wonderfully refreshing in the presentation of his research. For those out there not aware of him, they can find info at theresonanceproject.org or watch his videos on google video. You may know him since he lives in Hawaii. I'd love to meet him in person one day. We certainly need more like him.
Anyway, I'll stop rambling. Just wanted to thank you and all the others who responded to your post here. Have a wonderful weekend!

[Carol]

Thank you so much for your input and informational link happyhollargal. We are just trying to figure this out together and help each other along the way.

This chat is from this mornings exchange 11.28.08 Enjoy.

Colin: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=8287

Carol: Indeed Colin. I wonder if we can get a server from down under? When they refer to the grid going down the other question is this local or planetary?

Myplanet2: Morning Carol. Just reading George Ure's morning update on Urbansurvival.com interesting.

Baggywrinkle: Sol's message is very similar to Ed Dames Kill Shot

Myplanet2: this India deal is really starting to smell bad. Several reports of "whiteish" "blondish" terrorists, in this supposed Pakistani originated attack on India. I doubt it.

Baggywrinkle: wearing BATF jackets no doubt

Myplanet2: The Half past human work is showing some pretty big reactions coming from that situation from now through dec @14 or so. We could be seeing the option on one of their "gettin something started" scenarios being exercised. Morning Baggywrinkle.

Baggywrinkle: Good morning, drinking coffee getting ready to get my butt kicked at work and taking Sol's message with a very large grain of salt

Carol: But it's such a nice butt Baggywrinkle.

Morning Myplanet2. What's his link?

Baggywrinkle: Carol, I found a place for you and your horses... http://www.silohome.com/

Myplanet2: http://www.urbansurvival.com/week.htm
http://www.infowars.com/?p=6222
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5248664.ece

Carol: That looks pricy BW and lots of work.. it was that comment about your butt, wasn't it?

Myplanet2: http://www.infowars.com/?p=6212
Those are the hints I saw, Carol

Carol: Thanks MP2

Myplanet2: I recall a Pakistan/India exchange being one of the triggers to a broader conflict. The Georgia operation not having worked out as planned.

Baggywrinkle:

Myplanet2: And Russia taking steps in the mid east with showing support for Syria. Options are thinning a bit.

Hey BW. Have you seen the first index draft yet that I jotted down in the researcher sub forum?

Baggywrinkle: http://www.sputnikmonroe.com/newimag...oomedcover.jpg

That's a pretty good start... re index

Myplanet2: Thanks. Just go ahead and add whatever you want

Carol: Depressing news MP2. I will spend the day checking out where to buy seeds and get the garden supplies for my aquaponics system. I may spend the day on ebay checking prices there too.

Myplanet2: I see it as grist for the data mill. It seems that virtually all of their attempts to get something started have been thwarted and contained.

Carol: very cute cartoon.. just worked my way down the list of links

Myplanet2: hopefully this one will fizzle out too

Myplanet2: If there really has been a changing of the guard in Washington, and lots of evidence leads that way, then they've got to be desperate to get something going before Jan 20.But there are also several questionable appointments too. So I guess it's wait and see as per usual. hope for the best while preparing for the worst.
And stay mindful of how our input feeds one outcome or another.

I watch what these guys do more so I can revel in their being thwarted, than to feed fear.

Carol, I found a pretty interesting PDF on ventilation that I could send you.

Carol: To be perfectly honest, I just view all of this as distractions to keep folks from focusing on getting ready to go off-grid. It is just a big distraction game.

Myplanet2: I have no link because it just showed up in google search as a PDF

Carol: That would be great.

Myplanet2: I see that aspect too. Where should I send it?

Carol: email

Myplanet2: OK. on it's way

Carol: Thanks

Myplanet2: It's got some diagrams of passive systems-useful info. And goes into condensation. another issue especially of you're thinking about open water in the space. Like a big fish tank.

I also started trying to conceive of some way to have the incoming water drawn through the aquaponics system to oxygenate it. My thoughts are that if you assist the exhaust, air can be drawn into the intake side and in some sort of "u" arrangement, into the tank. A fine screen covering the intake outlet in the tank could spread the air bubbles out throughout the tank.

Just some preliminary thoughts.