Miriam Delicado Interview, Your Views?

Alysse · 09-29-2008, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Carol

Just a thought... how many people here have had personal interactions with a contactee?
I would more than welcome the opportunity - provided they were genuine. I have seen many, many interviews on television.

Next question, how many people here are comfortable with contactee disclosures?
Very comfortable. Would love to know all that there is to know.

and lastly, how many people are afraid of ETs?
As with anything, there are ones that are suspect and ones one would wish to embrace. As with humans, every ET cannot be painted with the same wide brush

Now, it's your turn. To what conclusion do you arrive with the answers you have received?

Carol · 09-29-2008, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Alysse

Now, it's your turn. To what conclusion do you arrive with the answers you have received?

I've no conclusions. I've had abductees as clients. I've talked with contactees (folks invited on board ships and maintaine a conscious memory of the event) and have had one personal contact experience.

Some ETs I trust and others I do not trust. I see ETs at different levels on the spiritual path continuum just like humans, so I also have conflicted feelings based on who the ET is. Some ETs promote fear and feed off strong negative emotions while other ETs are very positive and supportive. It's all very complex at some levels and not complex at other levels. Paradoxical? Yes.

Asking the questions was an attempt to understand where folks were coming from.

tgraf66 · 09-29-2008, 07:21 AM

Here's a post from a brand new blog:

"I don't trust ETs"

Let me first say that I have never had any sort of ET contact (that I'm consciously aware of, anyway!), but I've read a lot of books and articles about contactees and their experiences. I also want to state that I absolutely believe that most contactees have had an experience they can't explain. This post is in no way intended to belittle them or what happened to them, nor will I brush off their memories as invalid or hallucinatory. Something happened to them and they are expressing it and dealing with it in the only way they know how, and for that, I applaud them.

Some of the things I've read that start or end with a statement like the title of this post seem to be arguing from the standpoint of xenophobia: "see the stranger, fear the stranger, hate the stranger, kill the stranger!" Others argue from a similar but more religious point of view, calling ETs demons. This one isn't like that. I don't trust them not because I don't understand them, but because I do understand humans.

I listened to the Jim Sparks interview on Project Camelot several months ago. If you're not aware of his story, the short version is that he has been a contactee all of his life, and over the course of several "visits" was taught how to read and understand the symbolic language of the group of ETs that took him. One of the things that struck me about his story was the fact that he strongly implied, like many other contactees, that the group that took him were able to create what are called "screen memories" in his mind during and after contacts with them.

A screen memory, if I understand it correctly, is an implanted memory of the contact events that is altered in some way, usually to tone it down and make the experience seem more plausible - and more palatable - to the human mind's ability to comprehend. For example, in one case, contactees reported seeing small monkeys instead of grays, and that memory was not dislodged until they underwent hypnosis. Assuming that the contactees involved were hypnotised by a reputable and ethical practitioner who didn't plant any suggestions of his/her own, I would guess that this was a screen memory placed there by the ETs they encountered in order to make the experience less frightening for the contactees.

Not all contactees report such things, but a number of them do, and many others report blank spots in their memories called "missing time" events. For the purposes of this treatise, I will assume that like screen memories, missing time events are induced to help the contactee cope with what he/she has just been through.

To get back to Mr. Sparks' story, he reported that he was eventually able to "see through" the implanted memories in some cases, so he remembered what actually happened as opposed to what his "hosts" wanted him to remember. That called to mind the stories of other contactees who have had missing time events or odd screen memories that have no other explanation and which have subsequently been clarified by hypnosis or intense meditation.

While Mr. Sparks testimony was interesting to me, I bring it up only to introduce the fact that in combination with other contactee stories of similar things, it made me very skeptical of the intentions of ETs in general. I want to reiterate that I believe that most contactees themselves are sincere, honest people relating events that actually happened to them and explaining them in the only way they know how. I just don't trust the ETs.

I think we can assume, based on the level of technology the ETs are reported to have, that their mental - and by extension, telepathic - abilities are more advanced than our own. This is supported by the reports of screen memories. Is it not also possible that they could implant more complex mental and emotional states into our ego-laced minds in order to push forward whatever agenda they may have with our species?

I think most of us want to be thought of as special, or that we have some great purpose or work that we must accomplish here on this planet. We are also very susceptible to fear as well as being easily impressed by technologies that we may perceive as being god-like "powers", such as telepathy and the ability to travel through space and possibly time, as attested to by Clarke's Third Law. ETs very likely know these things about us, and because they are at least somewhat more advanced than we are, I think most of us would tend to be over-awed by them, their technology, and the entire experience.

There are many contactees who return from their experiences with a profound feeling of being somehow "special" or that they have been "chosen" to spread the word about something they saw during their experience. To me, the simple truth of the matter is that if the ETs are capable of creating screen memories - and the emotions to go with them, such as a feeling of overwhelming peace and/or love - to protect the contactees, they could also quite easily show the contactee a picture of some devastating catastrophe that is sure to befall us unless we do as they say. They may also hold out the possibility of mitigating or stopping said catastrophe if we do as we're told. Then, by playing on the human susceptibility to ego, they tell the person that he/she has been chosen out of the billions of beings on this little mudball to go forth and spread the gospel to the unwashed masses. Having had instilled the appropriate level of fear, love, euphoria, and/or ego-stroked awe, the contactee does as instructed - and usually ends up being ridiculed. I have no idea what the purpose of all of that is. And that brings me to my point: because I don't know that and they certainly aren't being very forthcoming with an explanation, I don't believe we can trust them.

How can we believe anything ETs tell us? Again, I'm not referring to the contactees here; most of them are innocent participants in this and are telling their stories as they perceive them to have happened. I'm talking about the ETs themselves. If even one species is capable of spontaneously creating screen memories and/or inducing emotions in humans, then I would assume that at least some of the others have the same capability, whether by telepathic or other technological means. Given that possibility, everything we've ever been told or asked to do by ETs is suspect. Whether we're dealing only with the Grays and Nordics or an unlimited number of other species, none of us knows what their various agendas may actually be.

It's a survival tactic on our part to want to please someone or something that we perceive to be more powerful than ourselves, and most of us would perceive the ETs advanced abilities and technology as superior "force". Any ET group that knows this is probably going to take advantage of it to get us to do whatever it is they want done so as to ensure minimal risk to their own people, and we'll grovel at their feet for the privelege. They know that, too.

In spite of what some people say about how benevolent a lot of the ETs are, I don't believe we can or should assume that any ETs have our best interests at heart. As I've noted, we as a species are prone to manipulation through our ego frailties. We want to believe that we're different or chosen or special, and as easy as it is for other members of our own species to play into that, how much easier is it for a technologically more advanced group that has more effective means at its disposal?

I just don't believe that any one of us is any more special than any of the others, much less am I inclined to think that this one single tiny planet inhabited by just seven billion humans is all that special in the wide vastness of the universe. Our astronomers are discovering more and more earth-like planets all the time, so how can it be that this one is special? I would say that all religious or psuedo-spiritual rantings aside, it isn't, and neither are any of us. It's just one more planet with a lot of resources and we are just another naive and very gullible population. I understand how easy it is for our fellow humans to manipulate our comparatively undeveloped minds and emotions, and that is why I don't trust ETs.

feeler · 09-29-2008, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tgraf66

It's a survival tactic on our part to want to please someone or something that we perceive to be more powerful than ourselves, and most of us would perceive the ETs advanced abilities and technology as superior "force".

And 'superior features' too! Features such as being tall, blonde, blue eyes, white skin, hard body, etc. etc.

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Originally Posted by tgraf66

I understand how easy it is for our fellow humans to manipulate our comparatively undeveloped minds and emotions, and that is why I don't trust ETs.

I don't either. After 9/11, I came to the same understanding as what you just described.

Carol · 09-29-2008, 08:24 AM

Alex Collier had some very positive things to say about his contact. I would hope you go to his youtube videos and have a listen.

stefaan · 09-29-2008, 08:45 AM

Some claim, or think, they have skills to read bodylanguage. Professional or not. It doesn't matter if you have them or not. If you're so sure of those skills, so you don't have to leave any room for doubt, the chance is very likely, they rather will be blinding instead of serving you.
Mutch so called skills are hyped for while. Books are sold, presentations are giving... And then they die out to make place for the next hype.
Skills can work out as bias, if you're not careful.

There is something like affinity. It makes you like or dislike somebody at first glance. This makes you look at someone with prejudice, not easy to overcome, if ever.
That's a bias.

On this forum there are certain groups. Believers and disbelievers. The ones who only want naked facts. The ones who dispise negative interpretations of whatever. The ones who fear, and those who don't want to fear (but do anyway). The ones who see everything spiritually, who like the ascension scenario's the most. The agitators...
Liking or disliking an interview, will depend on which groups you belong to. The spiritual want spiritual messages. The fact-hungry ones want facts...
That's another bias.

Just some examples. There's enough bias to go around.
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I can imagin after reading the posts in this thread, the next interviewee will be so self-aware, he/she won't know where to look, how to smile, how to behave. Maybe he/she will sit in a cramp, not daring to move at all. He/she will be so busy with him/herself, maybe the content will be disappointing for every one this time.

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Maybe... Kerry Cassidy (the small blond with blue eyes from Casseopia) and Bill (A)Ryan (an aryan, also a small blond - almost white? who knows - from, where was it again ... Andromeda) are here to gather the better seeds amongst the people from planet earth, before earth gets cleaned or plowed over again, to sow the next harvest. If I were you, I would behave at my very best, here in this forum

feeler · 09-29-2008, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by stefaan

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Maybe... Kerry Cassidy (the small blond with blue eyes from Casseopia) and Bill (A)Ryan (an arian, also a small blond - almost white? who knows - from, where was it again ... Andromeda) are here to gather the better seeds amongst the people from planet earth, before earth gets cleaned or plowed over again, to sow the next harvest. If I were you, I would behave at my very best, here in this forum

What exactly are you saying? The very best behavior in this forum is to ignore Miriam's body language? I have already sent email to Kerry and Bill to urge them to read through this thread.

Let's try to use some common sense here and see if the story Miriam told makes sense. Earlier I posted the following question.

Does any Camelot member in this forum think that if you were the driver and being consistently followed in the dark, you would not wake everyone up in the car?

"We are being followed." "Let them sleep." <== Is this what you would have in mind?

stefaan · 09-29-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by feeler

What exactly are you saying? The very best behavior in this forum is to ignore Miriam's body language? ...

Does any Camelot member in this forum think that if you were the driver and being consistently followed in the dark, you would not wake everyone up in the car?

"We are being followed." "Let them sleep." <== Is this what you would have in mind?

"What exactly are you saying?"
First of all I'm serious and not serious in the same post. Sorry, for the confusing.

The very best behavior in this forum is to ignore Miriam's body language?
It's impossible to ignore. But are you sure you can read it properly? I more or less named 3 natural biases we're all subjected to. So I urge you all to be careful, at least a bit, when interpreting what you think you're seeing. We don't have to jump so fast to conclusions, don't we? Is our intuition (or those famous skills) unfallible?

Does any Camelot member in this forum think that if you were the driver and being consistently followed in the dark, you would not wake everyone up in the car?
Why would you wake everyone up? Wouldn't you be to busy driving, questioning what is happening, questioning what you're seeing, trying to get away...? In my eyes it is possible you just don't think about waking others up. You're brain goes mad. First maybe you get turned in yourself. And then maybe you shout it out, so everyone wakes up of course, but that's not really on purpose. One will shout, the other won't. Maybe you keep quite, not being sure, and not wanting to be considered a fool, seeing things.
Sorry, I don't see your point and it feels to me you're so sure of yourself, you're starting to see what you want to see. Very natural...

Doubt is healthy, doesn't hurt.

feeler · 09-29-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by stefaan

Does any Camelot member in this forum think that if you were the driver and being consistently followed in the dark, you would not wake everyone up in the car?
Why would you wake everyone up? Wouldn't you be to busy driving, questioning what is happening, questioning what you're seeing, trying to get away...? In my eyes it is possible you just don't think about waking others up. You're brain goes mad. First maybe you get turned in yourself. And then maybe you shout it out, so everyone wakes up of course, but that's not really on purpose. One will shout, the other won't. Maybe you keep quite, not being sure, and not wanting to be considered a fool, seeing things.
Sorry, I don't see your point and it feels to me you're so sure of yourself, you're starting to see what you want to see. Very natural...

Doubt is healthy, doesn't hurt.

Both the driver and Miriam recognized that they were consistently followed in the dark. Everyone in the vehicle was in potential danger. And you wouldn't want to wake them up to be on alert mode, to have another set of eyes looking around, watchiing out for everybody, to get ready to get out of the vehicle if necessary? Instead you would just let them sleep past the critical situation?

09-29-2008, 02:53 PM

I really hope this woman isnt viewing the forum on this topic as a guest, and reading all the posts. She was approached to do this interview and look at what is being said about her, some very negative personal stuff. I would be very deeply hurt if I was her.

Kate · 09-29-2008, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuza

I really hope this woman isnt viewing the forum on this topic as a guest, and reading all the posts. She was approached to do this interview and look at what is being said about her, some very negative personal stuff. I would be very deeply hurt if I was her.

Tuza, I agree...it is sad that so many people feel the need to judge and assasinate her 'character'. I am confident that if Miriam does come and look at this thread, she will rise above it in the true 'knowingness' of an old and wise soul !!

peace
kate

09-29-2008, 03:19 PM

Why is it considered that people are assasinating her character by being Skeptical?

Being Skeptical is HEALTHY!

Kate · 09-29-2008, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Dood

Why is it considered that people are assasinating her character by being Skeptical?

Being Skeptical is HEALTHY!

I do agree...having an open mind and a degree of skepticism is healthy.

This is seperate to the point i was making. alot of people here have been incredibly rude. I do not see the point to this. intelligent people can state their scepticism without direct attack.

stefaan · 09-29-2008, 04:56 PM

Scepticism is ok. But be sceptical of your scepticism too.

That whole car-discussion is far fetching as it is. Who says she tought giving every little detail accuratelly was necessary, because it would be scrutinized to the bottom afterwards. Maybe she didn't think the details were that important.
And as I mentioned earlier, with an open mind, I can find many acceptable scenarios that would concur with what she told us.
edit: Anyone has seen the movie Out on a limb, the life story of Shirley McLain? There, the aliens take control of the vehicle, the driver doesn't touch the wheel at all. The movie is hard to find, but recommended. Shirley McLain has a lot of UFO experiences.

It's strange I find myself defending her here now, because me too, I had some moments that didn't feel right.
But I rather give here the benefit of the doubt. If you look at my earlier posts in this thread, you see I have good reason to.

A lot of things are going on during such an interview. Adrenaline. Exitment.
I can also imagin there were moments, she had to find a way to tell us things in a short version, cutting corners. Maybe sometimes changing some facts, or reassembling facts to keep it short. Maybe that's why she looked so much to her left side. When you have to tell a lot in a limited amount of time...
With some empathy you can try to understand what a interview like this is all about. What it does to a person.

rainman · 09-29-2008, 05:52 PM

Hey, this one has gone too far... I'm feeling too much defensive standpoints, just as we MUST believe in everything and THEN eventually question someones legitimity?!
One more thing is very interesting:
some people are trying to shut up everyone that has something against the "quality" of this intervew by simply trying to explain as "others will run away from talking to camera".
XCuse ME but... we really don't want to hear someones "visions" and hoaxes anymore. Please run if you will talk rubbish for 2 hours.
And where is the problem if she READS this forum as a GUEST, as someone said???
She was "brave" to speak almost nothing for two hours, so she can read "reviews" of her work... maybe this was supposed to be used as a new type of advertising for her book, but they have picked the wrong place!
And the most important thing... regarding Camelot of course:
I don't see Bill or Kerry trying to explain that "greatness" of Miriam yet?!?!?

P.S. This 12 pages are MORE than enough talking about so weak interwiev... we should take it easy, or she will write another book in a week

P.P.S. To this CAROL character:
MODERATOR doesnt mean "god" or "advisor", so stop acting like one, we believe in what we want to believe and your "tone" is almost like you're saying "you will believe" which is VERY BAD, believe ME!

feeler · 09-29-2008, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by stefaan

edit: Anyone has seen the movie Out on a limb, the life story of Shirley McLain? There, the aliens take control of the vehicle, the driver doesn't touch the wheel at all.

Why did Miriam yank the steering wheel that the driver was holding? So who was doing the steering? And who was doing the braking?

feeler · 09-29-2008, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by stefaan

she had to find a way to tell us things in a short version, cutting corners. Maybe sometimes changing some facts, or reassembling facts to keep it short.

Why are you so ready to accept half truths, manipulation, and deception?

The road to hell is paved with good intention.

sunnyrap · 09-29-2008, 10:29 PM

You know, it's really, really easy to get romanced by knowledge and technology...and swayed by prediliction. Miriam may have full authenticity, but have worries/doubts about her experience; worries doubts about how she will be taken. And there might really be something askew in her testimony that not even she is aware of. Even the best minds with the purest intentions can bollux things up. And the most scheming, amoral minds can present a squeaky-clean image, because they have no conscience tipping off the sensitives.

When 'truth' is revealed, it's always amazed me how all p.o.v's get validated and the point of conflict invariably turns out to be illusion. You kind of have to witness this first hand to know what I'm pointing to, here. Watch for it. It is a worthy exercise to try and reconcile all the apparent opposing positions beforehand...

I watched her interview and felt quite 'flat'. Meaning, I didn't seem to have an emotional response to it at all. The most I thought was, 'well, guess we'll have to see how this one plays out--I'm not resonating one way or the other'. She left no residue in my head. In many ways, that's a good sign.

Mummy_bean · 09-29-2008, 11:29 PM

I'm afraid I was one of those people who were concerned about this interview. I felt she had had real experiences but was still trying to make sense of them. I also agree with whoever it was that said she had had some major trauma - clearly. But my main problem is the way in which there seems to be a shift in the way things are being reported. It's one thing to have interviews with whistle-blowers and make these available. THis is important and valid. But what's happening is that Bill and Kerry are making value judgements about what is important, and those interviews are presented as 'fact'.

For the sake of the people who are making their experiences publlic, and for the rest of us - many of us with heads spinning with conflicting info and over-kill - can't this stuff just be presented as 'this is what so and so said in an interview'. Bill and Kerry aren't starting a religion here, but this is where it feels like it's heading, but with no anchor.

So i'm just asking if they'd just say 'here's another interview', rather than 'this is the most important thing we've ever heard please listen.'

Also, I think debate is important, and I think that inspite of people's reservations about this particular interview, the criticism and oubt has been handled really well. If someone's going to make these things public, they have to be prepared to be accountable and for not everyone to like it or feel it's consistent. There's a multitude of world views flying around here. There's room for everyone, and we all have to be prepared to be disagreed with.

Another thing that's bugging me right now is that all this talk of 4th dimensional and superior beings and all that has got to be leaving many of us feeling that as humans we're not worth a whole lot, that our judgement isn't up to much and that we're just floating around in a sea of doubt and pathetic inadequacy as a species.

Don't.

Lastly, all this worry about scarcity of food, disease, war, martial law....

This isn't something new! It's been happening all over the world since forever. It's a reality for half of the people on this planet already, and has been for some time.

Take a deep breath. Maybe it's the USA and Europe's turn for a new struggle...we'll get through it. Having a computer puts you in about the top 15% richest most privileged people in the world. being able to read and write also... Having a full belly when you go to bed tonight too.

Growing our own food is common sense in a time of financial uncertainty. Not that many generations back it was the norm. (I have to add that in most parts of the world it still is.)

Don't give up hope that the world is just growing up and taking a turn for the better.

Sorry if this seems trivial - Get off the computer, take a walk, play with your dog, go visit a friend, bake some cakes, dig the garden, smell the flowers.

Jenny · 09-29-2008, 11:37 PM

"Lastly, all this worry about scarcity of food, disease, war, martial law....

This isn't something new! It's been happening all over the world since forever. It's a reality for half of the people on this planet already, and has been for some time.

Take a deep breath. Maybe it's the USA and Europe's turn for a new struggle...we'll get through it. Having a computer puts you in about the top 15% richest most privileged people in the world. being able to read and write also... Having a full belly when you go to bed tonight too.

Growing our own food is common sense in a time of financial uncertainty. Not that many generations back it was the norm.

Don't give up hope that the world is just growing up and taking a turn for the better.

Sorry if this seems trivial - Get off the computer, take a walk, play with your dog, go visit a friend, bake some cakes, dig the garden, smell the flowers."

This is sound and sane advice Mummy bean.

In my village a young woman took over a greenhouse 5 years ago and a few acres of land.
She is growing biodynamic vegetables, fruits.
It is tasty and makes me happy to eat it.
She will give classes next spring on How to convert your lawn into a biological garden Without having to eat beans for 2 months.

I have no lawn only a small flowergarden. But even I grow some things myself.
Getting closer to earth.

moonwalker22 · 09-30-2008, 01:17 AM

mummy bean - well said! I would add that anyone who writes a book has to expect some public scrutiny. People are doing exactly what the thread title asks....giving their views. I have spent the last 20 years reading (among other things) every book I could find on the abduction experience. Bud Hopkins books, The Barney and Betty Hill story, Linda Howe's High Strangness, Wheiley Streiber, David mack and many more. These books are full of long and detailed stories of peoples abduction experiences, positive and negative, along with hundreds of pages of alien predictions for the future of our planet. Stories rich in psychological and physical details. Moving accounts of the effect of these encounters on peoples lives and relationships. Miriams experience ( as told in the interview) didn't have the depth and complexity and interest as the majority of the abducties whose stories I have read. I think anyone who has studied this phenomenon extensively may feel the same. That is not a slam on Miriam. Who knows what her life path and lessons are. This thread is asking for views on this interview, and that is what it is.

09-30-2008, 01:30 AM

I was actually pointing out what people have been saying about the way she looks, smiled, body language and all that. I bet if all of us were interviewed by Bill and Kerry for a couple of hours, there would be plenty here that would have a pick about how we looked, spoke, smiled, etc. That is what I am getting at, being really personal about someone, not what she is saying.

moonwalker22 · 09-30-2008, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuza

I was actually pointing out what people have been saying about the way she looks, smiled, body language and all that. I bet if all of us were interviewed by Bill and Kerry for a couple of hours, there would be plenty here that would have a pick about how we looked, spoke, smiled, etc. That is what I am getting at, being really personal about someone, not what she is saying.

I agree with you on that point.

Racsouran · 09-30-2008, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuza

I was actually pointing out what people have been saying about the way she looks, smiled, body language and all that. I bet if all of us were interviewed by Bill and Kerry for a couple of hours, there would be plenty here that would have a pick about how we looked, spoke, smiled, etc. That is what I am getting at, being really personal about someone, not what she is saying.

Well, there is more than words out there in the world we live in, and that is energies. That´s why people more sensitive to them perceive them and react as they feel that woman emanates.

It´s another perspective i think shold be considered, it has nothing to do with being personal or attacking the person, is one step further into perception.

For me this woman emanates an energy completely different from all the other witnesses. And it´s not positive for me. what she is saying as i have read in the responses here as a sinthesis, seems to be completely irrelevant. For me, though.

09-30-2008, 03:09 AM

I watched the interview and was left with mixed feelings about the woman. Much of what she said made sense to me, such as the 4 corners area being an ideal place to be during the coming changes expected to take place. She reached out to the Hopi people which is also a good sign. Too often the indigenous people and their prophesies go ignored by those interested in the coming changes. I believe it's vitally important to hear what they have to say.
As for Miriam, her facial expressions were somewhat intimidating from time to time, such as her eery grin whenever Kerry was asking a question. Her vibe was ambiguous to me, so I'm not ready to form a conclusive judgement on her one way or the other. I do agree with other posters here who believe that it's unwise for Bill and Kerry to make remarks like "this is the most important interview we've conducted", etc. It's setting up a preconceived bias for those who haven't already viewed the exchange which is irresponsible. Let people decide for themselves what "the most important" interview is. After watching the interview, I didn't see it as being any more (or less) important than any other interview I've watched. There was no groundbreaking material contained within that made me reach an epiphany. But I can only speak for myself. Seems that most others here agree.

09-29-2008, 07:21 AM	#3
tgraf66 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Cali Posts: 19	Re: Miriam Delicado Interview, Your Views? Here's a post from a brand new blog: "I don't trust ETs" Let me first say that I have never had any sort of ET contact (that I'm consciously aware of, anyway!), but I've read a lot of books and articles about contactees and their experiences. I also want to state that I absolutely believe that most contactees have had an experience they can't explain. This post is in no way intended to belittle them or what happened to them, nor will I brush off their memories as invalid or hallucinatory. Something happened to them and they are expressing it and dealing with it in the only way they know how, and for that, I applaud them. Some of the things I've read that start or end with a statement like the title of this post seem to be arguing from the standpoint of xenophobia: "see the stranger, fear the stranger, hate the stranger, kill the stranger!" Others argue from a similar but more religious point of view, calling ETs demons. This one isn't like that. I don't trust them not because I don't understand them, but because I do understand humans. I listened to the Jim Sparks interview on Project Camelot several months ago. If you're not aware of his story, the short version is that he has been a contactee all of his life, and over the course of several "visits" was taught how to read and understand the symbolic language of the group of ETs that took him. One of the things that struck me about his story was the fact that he strongly implied, like many other contactees, that the group that took him were able to create what are called "screen memories" in his mind during and after contacts with them. A screen memory, if I understand it correctly, is an implanted memory of the contact events that is altered in some way, usually to tone it down and make the experience seem more plausible - and more palatable - to the human mind's ability to comprehend. For example, in one case, contactees reported seeing small monkeys instead of grays, and that memory was not dislodged until they underwent hypnosis. Assuming that the contactees involved were hypnotised by a reputable and ethical practitioner who didn't plant any suggestions of his/her own, I would guess that this was a screen memory placed there by the ETs they encountered in order to make the experience less frightening for the contactees. Not all contactees report such things, but a number of them do, and many others report blank spots in their memories called "missing time" events. For the purposes of this treatise, I will assume that like screen memories, missing time events are induced to help the contactee cope with what he/she has just been through. To get back to Mr. Sparks' story, he reported that he was eventually able to "see through" the implanted memories in some cases, so he remembered what actually happened as opposed to what his "hosts" wanted him to remember. That called to mind the stories of other contactees who have had missing time events or odd screen memories that have no other explanation and which have subsequently been clarified by hypnosis or intense meditation. While Mr. Sparks testimony was interesting to me, I bring it up only to introduce the fact that in combination with other contactee stories of similar things, it made me very skeptical of the intentions of ETs in general. I want to reiterate that I believe that most contactees themselves are sincere, honest people relating events that actually happened to them and explaining them in the only way they know how. I just don't trust the ETs. I think we can assume, based on the level of technology the ETs are reported to have, that their mental - and by extension, telepathic - abilities are more advanced than our own. This is supported by the reports of screen memories. Is it not also possible that they could implant more complex mental and emotional states into our ego-laced minds in order to push forward whatever agenda they may have with our species? I think most of us want to be thought of as special, or that we have some great purpose or work that we must accomplish here on this planet. We are also very susceptible to fear as well as being easily impressed by technologies that we may perceive as being god-like "powers", such as telepathy and the ability to travel through space and possibly time, as attested to by Clarke's Third Law. ETs very likely know these things about us, and because they are at least somewhat more advanced than we are, I think most of us would tend to be over-awed by them, their technology, and the entire experience. There are many contactees who return from their experiences with a profound feeling of being somehow "special" or that they have been "chosen" to spread the word about something they saw during their experience. To me, the simple truth of the matter is that if the ETs are capable of creating screen memories - and the emotions to go with them, such as a feeling of overwhelming peace and/or love - to protect the contactees, they could also quite easily show the contactee a picture of some devastating catastrophe that is sure to befall us unless we do as they say. They may also hold out the possibility of mitigating or stopping said catastrophe if we do as we're told. Then, by playing on the human susceptibility to ego, they tell the person that he/she has been chosen out of the billions of beings on this little mudball to go forth and spread the gospel to the unwashed masses. Having had instilled the appropriate level of fear, love, euphoria, and/or ego-stroked awe, the contactee does as instructed - and usually ends up being ridiculed. I have no idea what the purpose of all of that is. And that brings me to my point: because I don't know that and they certainly aren't being very forthcoming with an explanation, I don't believe we can trust them. How can we believe anything ETs tell us? Again, I'm not referring to the contactees here; most of them are innocent participants in this and are telling their stories as they perceive them to have happened. I'm talking about the ETs themselves. If even one species is capable of spontaneously creating screen memories and/or inducing emotions in humans, then I would assume that at least some of the others have the same capability, whether by telepathic or other technological means. Given that possibility, everything we've ever been told or asked to do by ETs is suspect. Whether we're dealing only with the Grays and Nordics or an unlimited number of other species, none of us knows what their various agendas may actually be. It's a survival tactic on our part to want to please someone or something that we perceive to be more powerful than ourselves, and most of us would perceive the ETs advanced abilities and technology as superior "force". Any ET group that knows this is probably going to take advantage of it to get us to do whatever it is they want done so as to ensure minimal risk to their own people, and we'll grovel at their feet for the privelege. They know that, too. In spite of what some people say about how benevolent a lot of the ETs are, I don't believe we can or should assume that any ETs have our best interests at heart. As I've noted, we as a species are prone to manipulation through our ego frailties. We want to believe that we're different or chosen or special, and as easy as it is for other members of our own species to play into that, how much easier is it for a technologically more advanced group that has more effective means at its disposal? I just don't believe that any one of us is any more special than any of the others, much less am I inclined to think that this one single tiny planet inhabited by just seven billion humans is all that special in the wide vastness of the universe. Our astronomers are discovering more and more earth-like planets all the time, so how can it be that this one is special? I would say that all religious or psuedo-spiritual rantings aside, it isn't, and neither are any of us. It's just one more planet with a lot of resources and we are just another naive and very gullible population. I understand how easy it is for our fellow humans to manipulate our comparatively undeveloped minds and emotions, and that is why I don't trust ETs.

09-29-2008, 08:24 AM	#5
Carol Project Avalon Hero Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Big Island, Hawaii Posts: 2,008	Re: Miriam Delicado Interview, Your Views? Alex Collier had some very positive things to say about his contact. I would hope you go to his youtube videos and have a listen. __________________ Aloha, thank you, do jeh, toda, arigato, merci, grazie, salamat po, gracias, tack, sukria, danke schoen, kiitos, dank u, mahalo nui loa Images to nourish the spirit: http://mistsofavalon.invisionplus.ne...&showtopic=198

09-29-2008, 08:45 AM	#6
stefaan Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Heaven Posts: 186	Re: Miriam Delicado Interview, Your Views? Some claim, or think, they have skills to read bodylanguage. Professional or not. It doesn't matter if you have them or not. If you're so sure of those skills, so you don't have to leave any room for doubt, the chance is very likely, they rather will be blinding instead of serving you. Mutch so called skills are hyped for while. Books are sold, presentations are giving... And then they die out to make place for the next hype. Skills can work out as bias, if you're not careful. There is something like affinity. It makes you like or dislike somebody at first glance. This makes you look at someone with prejudice, not easy to overcome, if ever. That's a bias. On this forum there are certain groups. Believers and disbelievers. The ones who only want naked facts. The ones who dispise negative interpretations of whatever. The ones who fear, and those who don't want to fear (but do anyway). The ones who see everything spiritually, who like the ascension scenario's the most. The agitators... Liking or disliking an interview, will depend on which groups you belong to. The spiritual want spiritual messages. The fact-hungry ones want facts... That's another bias. Just some examples. There's enough bias to go around. ---------------------------- I can imagin after reading the posts in this thread, the next interviewee will be so self-aware, he/she won't know where to look, how to smile, how to behave. Maybe he/she will sit in a cramp, not daring to move at all. He/she will be so busy with him/herself, maybe the content will be disappointing for every one this time. ---------------------------- Maybe... Kerry Cassidy (the small blond with blue eyes from Casseopia) and Bill (A)Ryan (an aryan, also a small blond - almost white? who knows - from, where was it again ... Andromeda) are here to gather the better seeds amongst the people from planet earth, before earth gets cleaned or plowed over again, to sow the next harvest. If I were you, I would behave at my very best, here in this forum Last edited by stefaan; 09-29-2008 at 12:06 PM.

09-29-2008, 02:53 PM	#10
Tuza Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Miriam Delicado Interview, Your Views? I really hope this woman isnt viewing the forum on this topic as a guest, and reading all the posts. She was approached to do this interview and look at what is being said about her, some very negative personal stuff. I would be very deeply hurt if I was her.

09-29-2008, 03:19 PM	#12
Stephen Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Miriam Delicado Interview, Your Views? Why is it considered that people are assasinating her character by being Skeptical? Being Skeptical is HEALTHY!

09-29-2008, 04:56 PM	#14
stefaan Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Heaven Posts: 186	Re: Miriam Delicado Interview, Your Views? Scepticism is ok. But be sceptical of your scepticism too. That whole car-discussion is far fetching as it is. Who says she tought giving every little detail accuratelly was necessary, because it would be scrutinized to the bottom afterwards. Maybe she didn't think the details were that important. And as I mentioned earlier, with an open mind, I can find many acceptable scenarios that would concur with what she told us. edit: Anyone has seen the movie Out on a limb, the life story of Shirley McLain? There, the aliens take control of the vehicle, the driver doesn't touch the wheel at all. The movie is hard to find, but recommended. Shirley McLain has a lot of UFO experiences. It's strange I find myself defending her here now, because me too, I had some moments that didn't feel right. But I rather give here the benefit of the doubt. If you look at my earlier posts in this thread, you see I have good reason to. A lot of things are going on during such an interview. Adrenaline. Exitment. I can also imagin there were moments, she had to find a way to tell us things in a short version, cutting corners. Maybe sometimes changing some facts, or reassembling facts to keep it short. Maybe that's why she looked so much to her left side. When you have to tell a lot in a limited amount of time... With some empathy you can try to understand what a interview like this is all about. What it does to a person. Last edited by stefaan; 09-29-2008 at 05:00 PM.

09-29-2008, 05:52 PM	#15
rainman Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Serbia Posts: 13	Re: Miriam Delicado Interview, Your Views? Hey, this one has gone too far... I'm feeling too much defensive standpoints, just as we MUST believe in everything and THEN eventually question someones legitimity?! One more thing is very interesting: some people are trying to shut up everyone that has something against the "quality" of this intervew by simply trying to explain as "others will run away from talking to camera". XCuse ME but... we really don't want to hear someones "visions" and hoaxes anymore. Please run if you will talk rubbish for 2 hours. And where is the problem if she READS this forum as a GUEST, as someone said??? She was "brave" to speak almost nothing for two hours, so she can read "reviews" of her work... maybe this was supposed to be used as a new type of advertising for her book, but they have picked the wrong place! And the most important thing... regarding Camelot of course: I don't see Bill or Kerry trying to explain that "greatness" of Miriam yet?!?!? P.S. This 12 pages are MORE than enough talking about so weak interwiev... we should take it easy, or she will write another book in a week P.P.S. To this CAROL character: MODERATOR doesnt mean "god" or "advisor", so stop acting like one, we believe in what we want to believe and your "tone" is almost like you're saying "you will believe" which is VERY BAD, believe ME! Last edited by rainman; 09-29-2008 at 06:02 PM.

09-29-2008, 10:29 PM	#18
sunnyrap Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 147	Re: Miriam Delicado Interview, Your Views? You know, it's really, really easy to get romanced by knowledge and technology...and swayed by prediliction. Miriam may have full authenticity, but have worries/doubts about her experience; worries doubts about how she will be taken. And there might really be something askew in her testimony that not even she is aware of. Even the best minds with the purest intentions can bollux things up. And the most scheming, amoral minds can present a squeaky-clean image, because they have no conscience tipping off the sensitives. When 'truth' is revealed, it's always amazed me how all p.o.v's get validated and the point of conflict invariably turns out to be illusion. You kind of have to witness this first hand to know what I'm pointing to, here. Watch for it. It is a worthy exercise to try and reconcile all the apparent opposing positions beforehand... I watched her interview and felt quite 'flat'. Meaning, I didn't seem to have an emotional response to it at all. The most I thought was, 'well, guess we'll have to see how this one plays out--I'm not resonating one way or the other'. She left no residue in my head. In many ways, that's a good sign.

09-29-2008, 11:29 PM	#19
Mummy_bean Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: UK Posts: 34	Re: Miriam Delicado Interview, Your Views? I'm afraid I was one of those people who were concerned about this interview. I felt she had had real experiences but was still trying to make sense of them. I also agree with whoever it was that said she had had some major trauma - clearly. But my main problem is the way in which there seems to be a shift in the way things are being reported. It's one thing to have interviews with whistle-blowers and make these available. THis is important and valid. But what's happening is that Bill and Kerry are making value judgements about what is important, and those interviews are presented as 'fact'. For the sake of the people who are making their experiences publlic, and for the rest of us - many of us with heads spinning with conflicting info and over-kill - can't this stuff just be presented as 'this is what so and so said in an interview'. Bill and Kerry aren't starting a religion here, but this is where it feels like it's heading, but with no anchor. So i'm just asking if they'd just say 'here's another interview', rather than 'this is the most important thing we've ever heard please listen.' Also, I think debate is important, and I think that inspite of people's reservations about this particular interview, the criticism and oubt has been handled really well. If someone's going to make these things public, they have to be prepared to be accountable and for not everyone to like it or feel it's consistent. There's a multitude of world views flying around here. There's room for everyone, and we all have to be prepared to be disagreed with. Another thing that's bugging me right now is that all this talk of 4th dimensional and superior beings and all that has got to be leaving many of us feeling that as humans we're not worth a whole lot, that our judgement isn't up to much and that we're just floating around in a sea of doubt and pathetic inadequacy as a species. Don't. Lastly, all this worry about scarcity of food, disease, war, martial law.... This isn't something new! It's been happening all over the world since forever. It's a reality for half of the people on this planet already, and has been for some time. Take a deep breath. Maybe it's the USA and Europe's turn for a new struggle...we'll get through it. Having a computer puts you in about the top 15% richest most privileged people in the world. being able to read and write also... Having a full belly when you go to bed tonight too. Growing our own food is common sense in a time of financial uncertainty. Not that many generations back it was the norm. (I have to add that in most parts of the world it still is.) Don't give up hope that the world is just growing up and taking a turn for the better. Sorry if this seems trivial - Get off the computer, take a walk, play with your dog, go visit a friend, bake some cakes, dig the garden, smell the flowers. Last edited by Mummy_bean; 09-29-2008 at 11:33 PM.

09-29-2008, 11:37 PM	#20
Jenny Project Avalon Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 496	Re: Miriam Delicado Interview, Your Views? "Lastly, all this worry about scarcity of food, disease, war, martial law.... This isn't something new! It's been happening all over the world since forever. It's a reality for half of the people on this planet already, and has been for some time. Take a deep breath. Maybe it's the USA and Europe's turn for a new struggle...we'll get through it. Having a computer puts you in about the top 15% richest most privileged people in the world. being able to read and write also... Having a full belly when you go to bed tonight too. Growing our own food is common sense in a time of financial uncertainty. Not that many generations back it was the norm. Don't give up hope that the world is just growing up and taking a turn for the better. Sorry if this seems trivial - Get off the computer, take a walk, play with your dog, go visit a friend, bake some cakes, dig the garden, smell the flowers." This is sound and sane advice Mummy bean. In my village a young woman took over a greenhouse 5 years ago and a few acres of land. She is growing biodynamic vegetables, fruits. It is tasty and makes me happy to eat it. She will give classes next spring on How to convert your lawn into a biological garden Without having to eat beans for 2 months. I have no lawn only a small flowergarden. But even I grow some things myself. Getting closer to earth. __________________

09-30-2008, 01:17 AM	#21
moonwalker22 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: I live in phoenix arizona - I also lived for five years in Sedona Posts: 7	Re: Miriam Delicado Interview, Your Views? mummy bean - well said! I would add that anyone who writes a book has to expect some public scrutiny. People are doing exactly what the thread title asks....giving their views. I have spent the last 20 years reading (among other things) every book I could find on the abduction experience. Bud Hopkins books, The Barney and Betty Hill story, Linda Howe's High Strangness, Wheiley Streiber, David mack and many more. These books are full of long and detailed stories of peoples abduction experiences, positive and negative, along with hundreds of pages of alien predictions for the future of our planet. Stories rich in psychological and physical details. Moving accounts of the effect of these encounters on peoples lives and relationships. Miriams experience ( as told in the interview) didn't have the depth and complexity and interest as the majority of the abducties whose stories I have read. I think anyone who has studied this phenomenon extensively may feel the same. That is not a slam on Miriam. Who knows what her life path and lessons are. This thread is asking for views on this interview, and that is what it is.

09-30-2008, 01:30 AM	#22
Tuza Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Miriam Delicado Interview, Your Views? I was actually pointing out what people have been saying about the way she looks, smiled, body language and all that. I bet if all of us were interviewed by Bill and Kerry for a couple of hours, there would be plenty here that would have a pick about how we looked, spoke, smiled, etc. That is what I am getting at, being really personal about someone, not what she is saying.

09-30-2008, 03:09 AM	#25
Whitewolf Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Miriam Delicado Interview, Your Views? I watched the interview and was left with mixed feelings about the woman. Much of what she said made sense to me, such as the 4 corners area being an ideal place to be during the coming changes expected to take place. She reached out to the Hopi people which is also a good sign. Too often the indigenous people and their prophesies go ignored by those interested in the coming changes. I believe it's vitally important to hear what they have to say. As for Miriam, her facial expressions were somewhat intimidating from time to time, such as her eery grin whenever Kerry was asking a question. Her vibe was ambiguous to me, so I'm not ready to form a conclusive judgement on her one way or the other. I do agree with other posters here who believe that it's unwise for Bill and Kerry to make remarks like "this is the most important interview we've conducted", etc. It's setting up a preconceived bias for those who haven't already viewed the exchange which is irresponsible. Let people decide for themselves what "the most important" interview is. After watching the interview, I didn't see it as being any more (or less) important than any other interview I've watched. There was no groundbreaking material contained within that made me reach an epiphany. But I can only speak for myself. Seems that most others here agree.