The Search for Truth - Amnesty or Vengeance?

undetected · 09-27-2008, 02:38 AM

To save myself some typing, I will say that I totally agree with the post of NancyV.

To add a bit more...

"They absolutely owe us the truth, the whole, unvarnished truth, and they owe it to us right now."
Sorry but this is arrogance and ignorance hand in hand. Guys like Henry Deacon don't owe YOU anything. You should be very happy they told you at least a bit of what they know. Some people are pushing this "we have a right to know" to the same extremes to which government is pushing the "don't need to know" thing.

Most of you have no clue what it's been like for the people in black ops. You have no idea what they had to go through, who are you to say they owe you something? They unknowingly became victims of a very evil and exploitative system. At the point where they figured it out, they were way deep in. Escaping from there is almost impossible, the agencies don't want you to escape obviously and they can and will do anything to stop you from releasing secret information. These people put their and their families' lives at stake when talking about this. Besides, they took oaths, signed documents, thus giving you the information which you think they owe you, is actually illegal by our laws. And I'm not even talking about the mind control operations which some of them were subject to and may virtually be "unable" to tell the truth.

As for those who think that people who were in black ops, are somehow the bad guys and should be punished, here's some news for you: EVERYONE who has ever served in the army, has "sold their soul to the devil," at least for the time of the service. In the army you swear to obey orders without questioning them, with absolutely NO guarantee that the orders you will receive, will be somehow "good" or "right". Any soldier is bound to shoot whoever they tell him to shoot without asking who the victim is or what their "crime" is. You think the guys at the age of 20 see that far? They're just doing their job, and by the time they realize [IF they do - in any military service they're under constant brainwash if not mind control] what they're actually part of, it's a bit too late to say "hey I changed my mind, I'm out of here and I'm telling the world." Those who actually break the oath of secrecy and reveal anything at all, should be considered heroes indeed.

As for Henry Deacon, I have great respect and admiration for him and I'm very sorry if he left the forum. He's done a great job on Camelot/Avalon and I sincerely wish the best for him.

As for John Lear... I don't even understand what the problem is. This man has given out such incredible amount of information that I don't get what the accusation is.

"Michael St. Clair is another story entirely. He's very open and engages in dialog on a very wide range of topics."
Sure he is very open and doesn't avoid any topic. Have you maybe considered that he doesn't have a bunch of government agencies on his back, threatening him and messing with his mind?

Yes, many guys in the black ops have committed awful crimes. Then again, they commited them on government orders and often weren't aware of the nature of what they were doing. Some of them may have turned into bad people, others not. It's impossible for you or me to judge them. Be glad for the ones who are at trying to fix at least a few things now.

09-27-2008, 02:38 AM	#17
undetected Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 79	Re: The Search for Truth - Amnesty or Vengeance? To save myself some typing, I will say that I totally agree with the post of NancyV. To add a bit more... "They absolutely owe us the truth, the whole, unvarnished truth, and they owe it to us right now." Sorry but this is arrogance and ignorance hand in hand. Guys like Henry Deacon don't owe YOU anything. You should be very happy they told you at least a bit of what they know. Some people are pushing this "we have a right to know" to the same extremes to which government is pushing the "don't need to know" thing. Most of you have no clue what it's been like for the people in black ops. You have no idea what they had to go through, who are you to say they owe you something? They unknowingly became victims of a very evil and exploitative system. At the point where they figured it out, they were way deep in. Escaping from there is almost impossible, the agencies don't want you to escape obviously and they can and will do anything to stop you from releasing secret information. These people put their and their families' lives at stake when talking about this. Besides, they took oaths, signed documents, thus giving you the information which you think they owe you, is actually illegal by our laws. And I'm not even talking about the mind control operations which some of them were subject to and may virtually be "unable" to tell the truth. As for those who think that people who were in black ops, are somehow the bad guys and should be punished, here's some news for you: EVERYONE who has ever served in the army, has "sold their soul to the devil," at least for the time of the service. In the army you swear to obey orders without questioning them, with absolutely NO guarantee that the orders you will receive, will be somehow "good" or "right". Any soldier is bound to shoot whoever they tell him to shoot without asking who the victim is or what their "crime" is. You think the guys at the age of 20 see that far? They're just doing their job, and by the time they realize [IF they do - in any military service they're under constant brainwash if not mind control] what they're actually part of, it's a bit too late to say "hey I changed my mind, I'm out of here and I'm telling the world." Those who actually break the oath of secrecy and reveal anything at all, should be considered heroes indeed. As for Henry Deacon, I have great respect and admiration for him and I'm very sorry if he left the forum. He's done a great job on Camelot/Avalon and I sincerely wish the best for him. As for John Lear... I don't even understand what the problem is. This man has given out such incredible amount of information that I don't get what the accusation is. "Michael St. Clair is another story entirely. He's very open and engages in dialog on a very wide range of topics." Sure he is very open and doesn't avoid any topic. Have you maybe considered that he doesn't have a bunch of government agencies on his back, threatening him and messing with his mind? Yes, many guys in the black ops have committed awful crimes. Then again, they commited them on government orders and often weren't aware of the nature of what they were doing. Some of them may have turned into bad people, others not. It's impossible for you or me to judge them. Be glad for the ones who are at trying to fix at least a few things now.