Matrix 5

rhyzohm · 02-28-2010, 10:29 PM

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HORIZONS · 03-01-2010, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by rhyzohm

there are pdfs of all the volumes floating around if you know where to look. try googling, it won't take long. in the meantime, some may find this critical review of the book pretty funny:

http://www.energygrid.com/spirit/2008/05ap-matrixv.html

This is a good review from a certain perspective. I will say the the M5 project will challenge you in new ways and make you THINK more then you might have otherwise. At this point I will not state as to the validity of the work - it is what it is - it could be the most profound work you have read or the most dangerous books ever written, or fall somewhere in-between. It is the reader must decide.

Gnosis5 · 03-08-2010, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by rhyzohm

there are pdfs of all the volumes floating around if you know where to look. try googling, it won't take long. in the meantime, some may find this critical review of the book pretty funny:

http://www.energygrid.com/spirit/2008/05ap-matrixv.html

i see you are also merged with your Higher Self

he looks just like my Higher Self too!!

pilot · 03-08-2010, 04:02 AM

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"Females - The current thrust by American and other western females for domination over males is Orion Empire instigated. This is like a cat wanting to become a dog, a tree wanting to become a fish and so on. The purpose of the female gender (from the simultaneous point of view) was to have a totally different experience than the male, not to have an equal experience. This 'same experience idea is sequentially incarnating trait and seeks to undo the simultaneously incarnating path. The current female problem is one of the most serious threats to the simultaneously incarnating paths on earth today. On the other hand, it is one of the most important features of the Orion Empire and the sequentials' objective in the game.....You cannot escape the game and graduate to higher matters until you are aware of this problem and your body has overcome the alien DNA commands to 'serve the female'...

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Huh??

I must admit after my casual perusal of this material, I am a bit confused by this particular. Does this 'shim' presuppose the male experience to be the standard by which the female seeks a 'different' experience, the male being the prime reality...or what exactly is shim getting at here...

this sounds like buggery-at least this part, some of it is kind of interesting, I will say.

Gnosis5 · 03-08-2010, 04:24 AM

I met some real females, not in western countries but, for example, some groups of Somali women -- females with female power, not females with male power. But this is simply bowing to the experience of polarities as i now choose to experience within the polarity of darkside and lightworker. All polarities, dualities get merged, and I suppose I simply go to a place where they do not even exist.

As a spirit who is aware of its androgynous nature I still feel a need to experience being a true feminine -- it does me no harm.

Gnosis5 · 03-10-2010, 01:59 AM

Mercuriel · 03-10-2010, 02:17 AM

As I like to offer different perspectives and let Consciousness decide - I also offer this Link...

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/valerian.htm

HORIZONS · 03-10-2010, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mercuriel

As I like to offer different perspectives and let Consciousness decide - I also offer this Link...

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/valerian.htm

"A: Whoa! Calm down! Patience! We are trying to tell you something important, and you keep asking questions. We have told you many times to communicate with each other and network and share ideas, because that is how you LEARN and PROGRESS! But, you are beginning to rely on us for all your answers, and you do not LEARN that way!!!!!!! "

SOUNDS LIKE GOOD ADVISE SO FAR...

Mercuriel · 03-10-2010, 02:41 AM

Yes - I agree and as I took a greater look at the Material - I found certain "Issues" with It (Matrix 5) Myself. 43% of getting it right seems about right and while I haven't read It in detail (Matrix 5) by any stretch of the word - The Impression I got was to discern very heavily with this one. A Bad recipe is a bad recipe pure and simple. Try to get most of a recipe right and see how delicious that Meal turns out - LOL...

Addtionally - It would seem that only the Rich or those who can afford the Book are on a "Final Incarnational Experience" - No ?

That said - I could not find this eBook for DL (other than bitorrent). Now while I did find outlets that would send it to Me snailmail - The Price was ridiculous and only enforced My Impression of It as posted. When I have to pay for something that will enable Me and more importantly - The Human Race - To be Free of all of this BS and finally Progress - I get Red Flags instantly...

>Steps down off soap-box<

That said - To all others willing - Do as Thou Wilst...

HORIZONS · 03-10-2010, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mercuriel

Yes - I agree and as I took a greater look at the Material - I found certain "Issues" with It (Matrix 5) Myself. 43% of getting it right seems about right and while I haven't read It in detail (Matrix 5) by any stretch of the word - The Impression I got was to discern very heavily with this one. A Bad recipe is a bad recipe pure and simple. Try to get most of a recipe right and see how delicious that Meal turns out - LOL...

Addtionally - It would seem that only the Rich or those who can afford the Book are on a "Final Incarnational Experience" - No ?

That said - I could not find this eBook for DL (other than bitorrent). Now while I did find outlets that would send it to Me snailmail - The Price was ridiculous and only enforced My Impression of It as posted. When I have to pay for something that will enable Me and more importantly - The Human Race - To be Free of all of this BS and finally Progress - I get Red Flags instantly...

>Steps down off soap-box<

That said - To all others willing - Do as Thou Wilst...

...or if you were meant to have it you would find a way

Yes indeed, much discernment is needed. But then again in the day and time we live in we should discern everything.

Mercuriel · 03-10-2010, 03:02 AM

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But then again in the day and time we live in we should discern everything.

I would even add to this by saying as You Increase - Your Discernment MUST...

Gnosis5 · 03-10-2010, 03:29 AM

I am more interested in the beings who are above him. He talks about "Higher Self", but so far I see no reference to the All-that-is and our connection with it.

HORIZONS · 03-10-2010, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Gnosis5

I am more interested in the beings who are above him. He talks about "Higher Self", but so far I see no reference to the All-that-is and our connection with it.

Val did not write M5, he edited and published it, someone else going by "The Author" did. It is nothing like the other Matrix books that were by Val.
The Author does not believe in an All-That-Is. His stand is that our own Higher Self is the only god there is. And there are thousands of HS's having thousands of incarnations in the third density. When the HS is finished with this "game" it will spiral up and outta here to even higher densities for more experiences. But you would have to do a through read to really see all the info, which he says comes from his HS.

Gnosis5 · 03-10-2010, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by HORIZONS

Val did not write M5, he edited and published it, someone else going by "The Author" did. It is nothing like the other Matrix books that were by Val.
The Author does not believe in an All-That-Is. His stand is that our own Higher Self is the only god there is. And there are thousands of HS's having thousands of incarnations in the third density. When the HS is finished with this "game" it will spiral up and outta here to even higher densities for more experiences. But you would have to do a through read to really see all the info, which he says comes from his HS.

Perhaps something new is afoot, something that has never before been achieved in all the previous cycles of static -- an all knowing, all loving all powerful being, innocent AND wise, e.g., us. Perhaps no longer swept up in the cycle of re-birth of static.

In all my hundreds of hours of "looking" I have not yet met one higher self or bigger more powerful being (no matter how enlightened) who did not have polarity issues and traumatic incidents, right up to the point of their first individuation from the static. Have seen only false, polarized gods-unto-themselves. I think all of us played that role.

Perhaps I have to look further back.

Gnosis5 · 03-10-2010, 04:11 AM

I would like further clarity on what he means when he says "Nexus of Time".

Berob24 · 03-10-2010, 07:06 PM

Addtionally - It would seem that only the Rich or those who can afford the Book are on a "Final Incarnational Experience" - No ?

When I have to pay for something that will enable Me and more importantly - The Human Race - To be Free of all of this BS and finally Progress - I get Red Flags instantly...

That said - To all others willing - Do as Thou Wilst...

I completely agree! Especially with the part about having to pay for something (and how!) to benefit us... that is one of my personal bandwagons.

sorry I haven't figured out this quoting thing...I was responding to another's post- Mercunial, I think? I apologize if I slaughtered the spelling of your name.

Mercuriel · 03-10-2010, 07:23 PM

All is well - I have been called worse. Nothing but Love for You...

TheChosen · 03-08-2010, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rhyzohm

there are pdfs of all the volumes floating around if you know where to look. try googling, it won't take long. in the meantime, some may find this critical review of the book pretty funny:

http://www.energygrid.com/spirit/2008/05ap-matrixv.html

Holy... I have to retract my statement

.. anyone who states the following has clearly lost the plot in my opinion

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# If you feel attraction to the opposite sex, you are experiencing a DNA program that was put there in order to encourage our species to reproduce. In other words, heterosexual attraction is an expression of our genetic slavery. Homosexuality is the natural sexual expression of advanced souls.
# The prime spiritual law is that like attracts like, and so our natural, non-programmed state is to be homosexual for it implies that our DNA programming has weakened to the point whereby we are not obsessed with the opposite sex.

This goes against all the major systems of reality I tend to agree with (Law of one by Ra, Seth speaks, personal experiences of my own etc).. Also for anyone to state they have the 100% of truth and that it is completely undebatable into the system of reality we are in right now.. is pure ignorance on their part.. There are always distortions to any kind of information as a result of personal bias or misconceptions (something repeated over many times in the law of one channeling for example)... so even though the author might have done OBEs .. those are hardly objective as anyone with any real experience will tell you... one single stray subconcious thought or program and you are completely lost in the experience..

I'd really just stick to the Seth Speaks book 1 (haven't read the others, maybe they are just as good) for a well done explanation about the dynamics of incarnations/individual experience. I can't think of any reason why one would bother with the inferior Matrix5 material (which ironically claims to be the most supreme and truth containing book ever in the whole human history...lol... incredible)

Swanny · 03-08-2010, 12:53 PM

Sounds like the writer of matrix 5 is having problems coping with his sexually.
Gay means advanced soul

HORIZONS · 03-08-2010, 01:17 PM

The Author states that these are "his" experiences and you need your observations from "your" experiences. What this material does is challenge you at a very deep level to examine what it is you do and why. I too had trouble with several parts of the material but when I looked objectively at why the Author said what he said from his experience, how that made me feel, and is there any truth to it within my experience, I could then see things from a new perspective. Why is it that I am a het? Is it because I "need" a female or because I desire spiritual union? If it is because I desire spiritual union then gender wouldn't really matter because there is no gender in spirit, and sex for sex is not spiritual, but intimacy is. To read the material "correctly" is to read without bias, which is very difficult for us to do. And you also need to read more than a page or two to even come close to what is contained within. If you are not drawn to the materials then let it go without judgment and you will be the better for it. This is not for everyone to be sure.

gita · 03-08-2010, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Swanny

Sounds like the writer of matrix 5 is having problems coping with his sexually.
Gay means advanced soul

I've only read some excerpts and it does sound Matrix 5 contains some really good info with some really unsavoury info. I think it may be a case of not throwing the baby out with the bath water. I shall remain open minded for now til I've read the book which my 'fairy godmother' has told me it's in the post as we speak!x

HORIZONS · 03-08-2010, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by gita

I've only read some excerpts and it does sound Matrix 5 contains some really good info with some really unsavoury info. I think it may be a case of not throwing the baby out with the bath water. I shall remain open minded for now til I've read the book which my 'fairy godmother' has told me it's in the post as we speak!x

An open mind is a good thing to have. Just let go what you do not like, or better yet examine why it is you don't like it and see where that takes you.

The only absolute is that there is no absolute.

gita · 03-08-2010, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HORIZONS

An open mind is a good thing to have. Just let go what you do not like, or better yet examine why it is you don't like it and see where that takes you.

The only absolute is that there is no absolute.

Sound advice Horizons - exactly what I was planning.

HORIZONS · 03-08-2010, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by gita

Sound advice Horizons - exactly what I was planning.

If you van get through the book without burning it you will grow

Let me know how the read is going. I would love to discuss the work with someone.

gita · 03-08-2010, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HORIZONS

If you van get through the book without burning it you will grow

Let me know how the read is going. I would love to discuss the work with someone.

Burning a book – sacrilege! Although I may use it as a door stopper as it meant to be quite big!

It would be good to discuss it with someone though. There’s a thread on Icke’s forum that you may find interesting but there are some personal attack posts that you need to skip over but I suppose a book like this will cause a lot of controversy which may be part of its function (I’m guessing).

02-28-2010, 10:29 PM	#1
rhyzohm Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 9	Re: Matrix 5 . Last edited by rhyzohm; 03-13-2010 at 02:43 PM.

03-08-2010, 04:02 AM	#4
pilot Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: OK Posts: 153	Re: Matrix 5 Quote: "Females - The current thrust by American and other western females for domination over males is Orion Empire instigated. This is like a cat wanting to become a dog, a tree wanting to become a fish and so on. The purpose of the female gender (from the simultaneous point of view) was to have a totally different experience than the male, not to have an equal experience. This 'same experience idea is sequentially incarnating trait and seeks to undo the simultaneously incarnating path. The current female problem is one of the most serious threats to the simultaneously incarnating paths on earth today. On the other hand, it is one of the most important features of the Orion Empire and the sequentials' objective in the game.....You cannot escape the game and graduate to higher matters until you are aware of this problem and your body has overcome the alien DNA commands to 'serve the female'... End quote. Huh?? I must admit after my casual perusal of this material, I am a bit confused by this particular. Does this 'shim' presuppose the male experience to be the standard by which the female seeks a 'different' experience, the male being the prime reality...or what exactly is shim getting at here... this sounds like buggery-at least this part, some of it is kind of interesting, I will say.

03-08-2010, 04:24 AM	#5
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: Matrix 5 I met some real females, not in western countries but, for example, some groups of Somali women -- females with female power, not females with male power. But this is simply bowing to the experience of polarities as i now choose to experience within the polarity of darkside and lightworker. All polarities, dualities get merged, and I suppose I simply go to a place where they do not even exist. As a spirit who is aware of its androgynous nature I still feel a need to experience being a true feminine -- it does me no harm.

03-10-2010, 01:59 AM	#6
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: Matrix 5

03-10-2010, 02:17 AM	#7
Mercuriel Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Manitoba, Canada Posts: 362	Re: Matrix 5 As I like to offer different perspectives and let Consciousness decide - I also offer this Link... http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/valerian.htm

03-10-2010, 02:41 AM	#9
Mercuriel Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Manitoba, Canada Posts: 362	Re: Matrix 5 Yes - I agree and as I took a greater look at the Material - I found certain "Issues" with It (Matrix 5) Myself. 43% of getting it right seems about right and while I haven't read It in detail (Matrix 5) by any stretch of the word - The Impression I got was to discern very heavily with this one. A Bad recipe is a bad recipe pure and simple. Try to get most of a recipe right and see how delicious that Meal turns out - LOL... Addtionally - It would seem that only the Rich or those who can afford the Book are on a "Final Incarnational Experience" - No ? That said - I could not find this eBook for DL (other than bitorrent). Now while I did find outlets that would send it to Me snailmail - The Price was ridiculous and only enforced My Impression of It as posted. When I have to pay for something that will enable Me and more importantly - The Human Race - To be Free of all of this BS and finally Progress - I get Red Flags instantly... >Steps down off soap-box< That said - To all others willing - Do as Thou Wilst...

03-10-2010, 03:29 AM	#12
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: Matrix 5 I am more interested in the beings who are above him. He talks about "Higher Self", but so far I see no reference to the All-that-is and our connection with it.

03-10-2010, 04:11 AM	#15
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: Matrix 5 I would like further clarity on what he means when he says "Nexus of Time".

03-10-2010, 07:06 PM	#16
Berob24 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 14	Re: Matrix 5 Addtionally - It would seem that only the Rich or those who can afford the Book are on a "Final Incarnational Experience" - No ? When I have to pay for something that will enable Me and more importantly - The Human Race - To be Free of all of this BS and finally Progress - I get Red Flags instantly... That said - To all others willing - Do as Thou Wilst... I completely agree! Especially with the part about having to pay for something (and how!) to benefit us... that is one of my personal bandwagons. sorry I haven't figured out this quoting thing...I was responding to another's post- Mercunial, I think? I apologize if I slaughtered the spelling of your name.

03-10-2010, 07:23 PM	#17
Mercuriel Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Manitoba, Canada Posts: 362	Re: Matrix 5 All is well - I have been called worse. Nothing but Love for You...

03-08-2010, 12:53 PM	#19
Swanny I dont need a label ! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Shire of Wilt Posts: 2,889	Re: Matrix 5 Sounds like the writer of matrix 5 is having problems coping with his sexually. Gay means advanced soul

03-08-2010, 01:17 PM	#20
HORIZONS Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Arkansas USA Posts: 156	Re: Matrix 5 The Author states that these are "his" experiences and you need your observations from "your" experiences. What this material does is challenge you at a very deep level to examine what it is you do and why. I too had trouble with several parts of the material but when I looked objectively at why the Author said what he said from his experience, how that made me feel, and is there any truth to it within my experience, I could then see things from a new perspective. Why is it that I am a het? Is it because I "need" a female or because I desire spiritual union? If it is because I desire spiritual union then gender wouldn't really matter because there is no gender in spirit, and sex for sex is not spiritual, but intimacy is. To read the material "correctly" is to read without bias, which is very difficult for us to do. And you also need to read more than a page or two to even come close to what is contained within. If you are not drawn to the materials then let it go without judgment and you will be the better for it. This is not for everyone to be sure.