Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?

[orthodoxymoron]

Wow! Why do people do that sort of thing? We have to deal with enough trouble as it is. This site should be all about discernment and what I call 'Thought Triage'. We should all develop very effective BS Detectors. This is sort of a Spiritual and Philosophical No Man's Land. Moderators and members seem to be quite good at cross examining people...which might be a good substitute for banning...in most cases. Obviously...multiple online personalities, profanity, threats, graphic descriptions, obscene pictures and paintings, etc...cannot be tolerated in any way, shape, or form. Potential legal liabilities also need to be watched very carefully. But this site is a real zoo and a philosophical food for thought fight. This helps to make us strong. I think things are about to get unimaginably confusing, disillusioning, and disorienting...as if they weren't enough already. Dealing with 'problem posters' might be good practice for what's to come.

[Firstlook]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

Wow! Why do people do that sort of thing? We have to deal with enough trouble as it is. This site should be all about discernment and what I call 'Thought Triage'. We should all develop very effective BS Detectors. This is sort of a Spiritual and Philosophical No Man's Land. Moderators and members seem to be quite good at cross examining people...which might be a good substitute for banning...in most cases. Obviously...multiple online personalities, profanity, threats, graphic descriptions, obscene pictures and paintings, etc...cannot be tolerated in any way, shape, or form. Potential legal liabilities also need to be watched very carefully. But this site is a real zoo and a philosophical food for thought fight. This helps to make us strong. I think things are about to get unimaginably confusing, disillusioning, and disorienting...as if they weren't enough already. Dealing with 'problem posters' might be good practice for what's to come.

I would like to be examined. Just to get it out of the way.

no cold hands.


peace

[mntruthseeker]

IP is an address you get off your computer and it follows you around. You are capable of changing it each and every night if you care to do so.

Two computers will never share the same IP#.

I'm still not ready to place any judgement on Kinsuemei2 as I am not sure what the point was he was trying to get across.

Its a give and take world and I stick by my feelings that we are all entitled to believe whomever we want.

There are many that give interviews that I consider very much full of disinformation.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

Two computers will never share the same IP#.

A dangerous assumption - which is unfortunately incorrect.

Many people share the same IP address, I am doing so right now because of how I am accessing the site today I am behind a proxy. My IP address could well be being used by another users right now.

A..

[Firstlook]

Originally Posted by Anchor

A dangerous assumption - which is unfortunately incorrect.

Many people share the same IP address, I am doing so right now because of how I am accessing the site today I am behind a proxy. My IP address could well be being used by another users right now.

A..

me too.

[mntruthseeker]

Originally Posted by Anchor

A dangerous assumption - which is unfortunately incorrect.

Many people share the same IP address, I am doing so right now because of how I am accessing the site today I am behind a proxy. My IP address could well be being used by another users right now.

A..

A dangerous assumption ? How so ? Bill banned Kinsuemei2 for using the same IP# for 2 various names................Did he do this unfairly ?

I didnt take in consideration of a corporation IP # so I stand corrected there......and I did assume it was a personal computer usuage.

Explain how Bill could make his decision based on IP # please

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

A dangerous assumption ? How so ? Bill banned Kinsuemei2 for using the same IP# for 2 various names................Did he do this unfairly ?

I didnt take in consideration of a corporation IP # so I stand corrected there......and I did assume it was a personal computer usuage.

Explain how Bill could make his decision based on IP # please

Assumption is a bad idea when hatching conspiracy theories or dealing with them.

It is not just corporations that use proxies.

Bill did his own checking, I can't comment on how that was done. Nor can I fault what I have seen of his post.

A..

[Phtha]

People sharing the same connection at home can have the same IP as well... this is not just a corpseration thing.

For what its worth I've only read one post of Kinue2 some time ago, I think the first one he made, and knew he was full of it.

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

A dangerous assumption ? How so ? Bill banned Kinsuemei2 for using the same IP# for 2 various names................Did he do this unfairly ?
I didnt take in consideration of a corporation IP # so I stand corrected there......and I did assume it was a personal computer usuage.

[eleni]

Hmm.... there is more going on behind the scenes here than what has been presented.

I pressed this *Dr. Heather* to speak via phone , get int touch with Kerry etc; it was just a matter of time IMO before she was *killed*.

My intuitive red flag warning came on failry early- I shared that with Kerry who was more in the line of well, it makes for a good Hollywood type story.


You see, there were the same typos on both Kin and Heather's writings- that was an early red flag for me- I decided to give them *both* the benefit of the doubt because I know the nature of these MKULTRA programs are just so unreal and many times come off sounding Sci Fi.

I did check both IP addresses and knew they were one and the same. Kin told me Heather was rescued and staying at their house.

[mntruthseeker]

yeah those typos will get you busted everytime LOL

Do we call you detective Eleni now ?

[Bill Ryan]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

A dangerous assumption ? How so ? Bill banned Kinsuemei2 for using the same IP# for 2 various names................Did he do this unfairly ?

I didnt take in consideration of a corporation IP # so I stand corrected there......and I did assume it was a personal computer usuage.

Explain how Bill could make his decision based on IP # please

Hi there, mntruthseeker:

I didn't make the decision based on an common IP address. That was the clincher. I had previously worked through pages of information provided to Camelot privately by "Heather" - line by line - and none of it added up.

I had red flags then, and Kerry and I discussed it. I told Kerry I wasn't buying any of it as there were way too many anomalies and inconsistencies, as well as the close similarity in (poor) writing style between Kinsuemei2 and Heather.

Then I heard a few days ago from Eleni that "Heather" had been killed in a traffic accident. That seemed like a really convenient way of "deleting" an imaginary person who had become a problem... because Kerry was wanting to meet and talk with "Heather" - etc. Clearly that could not have happened, and Kerry was pressing.

Another person in this loop had already noticed the IP anomaly and called Kinsuemei2 on it. He said that Heather was staying with her. When this other person phoned him and asked to speak with her, he told them "she had escaped via boat to another country".

Heather never existed.

Very best wishes, Bill

[mntruthseeker]

Interesting indeed. I say bravo to Eleni for her skills at detecting the IP address. I have to say I was confused on IP # as being the only reason.

Thanks for addressing this as I did think that many of us were fooled by his dismeaner and clarification was not too much to ask. You have cleared it up just fine.

When he first mention this drs name back on the wilcock thread, I too tried to find information on her and found nothing.

Besides I was sure he told us he was hiding out in a motel room in Florida at one time and I felt bad that he had to hide out with a little one.

[Stargazer1965]

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan

Hi there, mntruthseeker:

I didn't make the decision based on an common IP address. That was the clincher. I had previously worked through pages of information provided to Camelot privately by "Heather" - line by line - and none of it added up. [Mod note: please trim long quotes]

From the sidelines Bill most of this thread....To what ends??

Running diversions on the forum??

Causing drama??

Attention??

Just looking for opinions so we can be on the lookout in the future.

Thanks

[beren]

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan

Hi there, mntruthseeker:

I didn't make the decision based on an common IP address. That was the clincher. I had previously worked through pages of information provided to Camelot privately by "Heather" - line by line - and none of it added up.

Bill do you think you and Kerry are constantly being mis led by PTB? I mean vast number of people visits camelot site ...Maybe PTB think that it`s got out of control and they had to bug your efforts more than ever?

How many times when you got a story ,you think in the middle of it that it`s actually BS someone wishes to bore you with? To detract you from a possibly true and better interview along the road?
Namely ,say, some possible guy has a true story and is a bit afraid of being ridiculed.Now he follows your site and in some point decide to call you guys. But then you show several suspicious interviews and guy decide to step back in silence again.
I think it`s a strong possibility of that. And I salute you if you and Kerry are trying your best to prevent BS on your sites...

[Stargazer1965]

Oh yeah!!

GREAT JOB BILL AND THE MODERATORS!!!

hmm....sounds like a rock group or the new super friends!!

[mntruthseeker]

LOL Stargazer...............it does keep getting better doesnt it ?

[Stargazer1965]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

LOL Stargazer...............it does keep getting better doesnt it ?

You know MNT.....life is becoming more interesting than fiction these days

[mntruthseeker]

You got it. I can't be certain of anything in here anymore.

I do not want to judge anyone and I feel whenever one does that they do nothing more than "put themself down".

whistleblowers tell their stories and it's up to us to decide whether we buy it or not. I for one do not want to be told whom I should believe in or not.

I wont congratulate someone for judging

[Zeddo]

this whole issue of multiple personalities brings this scene to mind....



would you prefer chocolate or vanilla ?

[TRANCOSO]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

LOL Stargazer...............it does keep getting better doesnt it ?

Which is more than can be said of The Who playing right now during the Super Bowl halftime break.
Fantastic laser show, though.

[beren]

Originally Posted by TRANCOSO

Which is more than can be said of The Who playing right now during the Super Bowl halftime break.
Fantastic laser show, though.

Super bowl it`s for nannies... All those feathered guys ...cartoon I tell ya...Pardon me my American friends but football (the real one) is the thing...

[Curative]

I unexpectedly appreciate this thread for a number of reasons which I will share:

Carol the OP, for her concern over an Avalonion comrades ban,

The contributing Mods, for their efforts in finding out why said ban was imposed,

Bill, for his openness and apparent honesty in evidencing his own decision to impose the ban and his posting of the details for us all to see.

This gives added credence to PC/PA as a whole, I am more inclined to believe that should it come to Bill's attention, that a recorded and shared testimony found after the fact to be a fabrication, he would equally evidence it to the forum, regardless from whom it came.

I am not saying Bill or Kerry believe all their interviewees to be necessarily factual, however it indicates to me (and hopefully to you too) that at least the testimonies they do record, are not known to be fabrications, and that if sufficient evidence does indeed come to light that any actually were "hoaxed" for whatever reason, we would all get to hear about it, right?

So (IMO) a positive outcome from a negative situation, perhaps the truth indeed shines through and we are better for it.

[PilotSimone]

Originally Posted by Curative

I unexpectedly appreciate this thread for a number of reasons which I will share:

Carol the OP, for her concern over an Avalonion comrades ban,

The contributing Mods, for their efforts in finding out why said ban was imposed,

Bill, for his openness and apparent honesty in evidencing his own decision to impose the ban and his posting of the details for us all to see.

This gives added credence to PC/PA as a whole, I am more inclined to believe that should it come to Bill's attention, that a recorded and shared testimony found after the fact to be a fabrication, he would equally evidence it to the forum, regardless from whom it came.

I am not saying Bill or Kerry believe all their interviewees to be necessarily factual, however it indicates to me (and hopefully to you too) that at least the testimonies they do record, are not known to be fabrications, and that if sufficient evidence does indeed come to light that any actually were "hoaxed" for whatever reason, we would all get to hear about it, right?

So (IMO) a positive outcome from a negative situation, perhaps the truth indeed shines through and we are better for it.

Love this post!

[raulduke]

Originally Posted by beren

Super bowl it`s for nannies... All those feathered guys ...cartoon I tell ya...Pardon me my American friends but football (the real one) is the thing...

I played american football for 8 years, and I actually have to agree with you.

I'm looking forward to the World Cup, way more than I was for the superbowl.

Our loss to Brazil in the Confederations cup final was heartbreaking, especially after the 2-0 lead.

USA soccer is a legitimate force now, can't wait for summer.

[SteveX]

Originally Posted by beren

Bill do you think you and Kerry are constantly being mis led by PTB? I mean vast number of people visits camelot site ...Maybe PTB think that it`s got out of control and they had to bug your efforts more than ever?

With the quality of some of the posts on here the TPTB must be "P'ing" themselves laughing for all the own gaols. Saves em having to do anything.

Originally Posted by beren

How many times when you got a story ,you think in the middle of it that it’s actually BS

Oh man! school break must be horrendous. Also, when you think of those PC vids having 30,000 to 400,000 viewers each, it's gotta attract more nuts than an electro magnet in a scrap yard.

On another forum I've been on they caught a guy arguing with his shade account. Another guy was scammed for $5,000 off a con artist.


Nowt queer as folk.