Concepts of God

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Yes I can see where you are coming from.
However.
I had my life saved by the fellowship of AA.

Which is of human origin. I mean no offense but you were saved by other human beings. All we have is other human beings. Your AA experience illustrates it perfectly. Spiritual experiences are all human experiences which are sometimes inexplicable given the available data, the human imagination will often construct various things about the experience in an attempt to understand it or simply fit it into our understanding of the world. You owe your sobriety not to some supernatural miracle experience by you or the founder of AA. You owe it to the experience and actions of other human beings. I hope you enjoy a long and fruitful sobriety.

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

Which is of human origin. I mean no offense but you were saved by other human beings. All we have is other human beings. Your AA experience illustrates it perfectly. Spiritual experiences are all human experiences which are sometimes inexplicable given the available data, the human imagination will often construct various things about the experience in an attempt to understand it or simply fit it into our understanding of the world. You owe your sobriety not to some supernatural miracle experience by you or the founder of AA. You owe it to the experience and actions of other human beings. I hope you enjoy a long and fruitful sobriety.

Yes but by the same token -- how come my friends wife kids Dr couldent get me sober?

You are welcome to your belief system as long as it works for you ,great.
Mine works for me and thats what it is a belief system

Ramesh said be clear. "The teaching of every sage is a concept"

The only thing that is valid is subjective experience.
Possibly the only one that every one can agree on is that "I" exist.

I wrote about Kundalini experience. I had a lot of the symptoms before I had read one word about Kundalini. Thats a subjective expeience.

When one thing happens its a "May be so"
When you get more that the average number of "coincidences then thats a little different

Basically I think we agree on most things except the proof of a God.

The mind does what it does I am not the mind.
The body breathes in and out by itself I cant stop it for more than a few moments.
Its not me.

The question is "What am I"

I believe what mystics have said since time immemorial.
We are all waves of the Divine ocean.

Regards Chris

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Yes but by the same token -- how come my friends wife kids Dr couldent get me sober?

The fact that AA has a method or technique that works is pretty evident by the number of people they help. They have a method that works irregardless of what you view as your "higher power" is the answer.

The mind does what it does I am not the mind.
The body breathes in and out by itself I cant stop it for more than a few moments.
Its not me.
The question is "What am I"
I believe what mystics have said since time immemorial.
We are all waves of the Divine ocean.
Regards Chris

But in truth Chris, what you think of as yourself (the illusionary perceived self) is just another part of your mind. The object and subject are in fact the same. The bit that asks "Who am I?" is just part of the mind constructed to give us our "self perspective".

Peace and all that man. Its a personal thing. Everybody has to figure this out for themselves in some way. It isn't anything that can be explained anyway it has to be personally realized. The truth about reality cannot be communicated it has to be personally experienced or realized to be understood. I think you would agree with me on that point.

Have a good one.