Ive got a solution

[Northern Boy]

L4L is right if you don`t want to read and think you can get away with simply walking in and speaking a few lines of dialogue and you are clear will find it tough to accomplish . YOU MUST TAKE THE ACT OR STATUTE AND DECONSTRUCT IT once this has been done you will have and idea of what is being used against you and why. Laws are written to protect society but whose society is being protected ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society
Society or human society is the manner or condition in which the members of a community live together for their mutual benefit.
the problem with mutual benefit through out history is those who want to be in charge, usually the ones with the money have set things up so they benefit far more then the rest of us . Man has to stop putting his faith into the hands of a few people that don`t have its best interest at heart and let greed overpower them.


[QUOTE]if you can, get out of debt, do not borrow "money,"[/QUOTE]
debt is a situation that can be escaped as well those interested in ways to eliminate most of the debt they have need only go here and read

http://www.hackcanada.com/canadian/f...mary_croft.pdf

engage in a livelihod the fruits of which are not taxable .

All fruits are not taxable, the fact that one has a social security number means they are an agent of the government . What that implies is that when you get a job you were referred to the place of employment by the government They charge all employers a payroll tax which the employer must pay . It also allows them to deduct income tax because you are hired under a contract for hire. All one needs do is approach a perspective employer and ask to be hired under a contract for service one does not need a ssn or sin to work under those conditions however there are other things to consider going that route . Hours of work, Statutory holidays , overtime pay, benefits, every thing you would normally have must be negotiated into a contract between both parties and signed

The employer now avoids the payroll tax saving him money there and the employee avoids the need to pay a tax on income it can be done and has been done. This does not mean the boys at the IRS and CRA won`t be looking to grab your hard earned money they will say and do what ever they choose to get your money using their good friends the courts to obtain it. You would be forced to prove your position and even then not get your money in the end . The best way to avoid them is to have no bank account they can seize and you would suffer no loss this way . There are ways to do this as well .

those really interested in beating the tax game should visit here then decide how you want to proceed
http://www.detaxcanada.org/


Once more if you don`t want to do the leg work to accomplish your desired result then you will not succeed .

[whitefluffy]

Hey jack,


Thankyou for this thread, you'll keep lots of people busy on this one as it IS a fundamentally important issue ! a veritable pandoras box, a minefiled. However, if you know where the landmines are set you've got a better chance of survival than if you haven't, right? So it pays to have at least a broad outline of what youre dealing with. Thankyou for the links posted so far, by you and others.
i would like to add a few more which i have found helpful.

Highly recommended. A Spiritual Economics Book on $$$ and Remembering Who You Are by Mary Elizabeth ... : Croft http://www.scribd.com/doc/17462164/H...-By-Mary-Croft
http://www.tpuc.org/
http://loveforlife.com.au
http://www.truthmovementaustralia.com.au/forum/

Its interesting that many of us seem to be following similar lines of enquiry. This issue can be approached from 2 aspects, either the point of law, the 'strawman' or the monetary aspect.

When i first found out about the birth certificate issue, i was, to put it mildly, flabberghasted! felt very angry, betrayed, just totally dumfounded. The whole fraudulent system began to become apparent but it doesnt have to be complicated. Actually its just something new and we have to begin to come to terms with it just as we have integrated many of the other perhaps more generally esoteric issues usually dealt with by camelot.
It is an important part of the picture to grasp, remebering that everything is connected and the system of deceit which operates to actually enslave us must be understood even if some feel that its too complicated or that it's an area to be avoided, i.e. don't go there, usually only serves to pique my interest !
What was is it kerry said recently? Something along the lines of "awareness is protection", well she's right and it applies to this area of the matrix just as importantly as it does to all of the rest of the web of understanding.

When dealing with bullies (or in this case, a system of tyranny) I have found it's always best to call their bluff, to remain calm, to be polite yet affirmative with just a slight sprinkling of sarcasm!

p.s. hope no one objects to print size or colour but i find it easier too read & distinguish posts if they differ somewhat.

[xbusymom]

I posted this on another board- http://thinkfreeforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=10926

BY XBM:
and the following is the Notice of Intent/Claim of Right from Ireland (I am sure that we could tweak it just a little for individual countries)

and XXX does have a very good point…

arrg you guys are relentless. You are not listening, the CoR (claim of right) and NoI (notice of intent) are a commercial protest negotiation, you cant serve them all in one document!!!
you have to do the NoI nad see if they rebutt, then you do the CoR and see if they rebutt, the CoR is like a default notice...some fool joind them up quite some time ago thinking they could make the process less expensive....but commercial negotiation procedure does not work that way. I would probably say all the people who made the NoI and CoR into one document did not do the process properly and they are laughing at you...also you have to go through a notary for service...hence the name "notary protest"...geesh you can't change the rules to commercial negotiation, it has been used for thousands of years, do you think just cuz you decided to change the rules, they are going to tell you..."hey you are doing it wrong"...no they wont, they will just laugh at you and shuffle you on the train with every other debt slave.

frikin wake up! I can't believe that after all this time on the thinkfree board you still don't get it!! its amazing, specially when the answers are here, easy to find and yet you are all still confounded!

… then I found this podcast…
http://marcstevens.net/media/audio/2...-12242009.html
which explains why it is so extremely difficult to navigate correctly in the legal system…
Neural-Linguistic programming (NLP) – and especially when the legal system deliberately changes the definitions of words (terms) in different documents/ statutes, etc… for the exact reason to set you up / make it confusing (or contradictory) on purpose

which shows that ‘lawyerforliberty” was right when he said we would never understand…

but that still leaves the question of “how do I get around the problem?”

[Jack]

Originally Posted by xbusymom

but that still leaves the question of “how do I get around the problem?”

Once you state your claim, if ive not already put it in there, it would be advisable to add this

"Furthermore, i will be using the Common English language in all my documents and proceedings as i do not understand legaleese"

After stating this (which is your right, why they would not deny your rights now would they) youve made an official and most likely unrebuted decleration that you do not understand "legal language" and it cannot be used against you in any proceedings.

Having a skim knowledge of the legal language is always a good thing to have, and if you choose to take this path of exciting and revealing study then this will be one of those things you'll become familiour with along the way.

Life is not about problems, its about solutions. (had to say it sorry, im on a "saving the world" buzz)

[Jack]

Originally Posted by whitefluffy

Hey jack,


Thankyou for this thread, you'll keep lots of people busy on this one as it IS a fundamentally important issue ! a veritable pandoras box, a minefiled. However, if you know where the landmines are set you've got a better chance of survival than if you haven't, right?

You just said it right there.

My whole motivation in persuing this (down to my bloody fingernails) is simply down to the two facts below.

* There are millions of statutes, rules and regulations a person must be aware of in order to work within the judicial structure that has been placed before us. Working within the law is a profound and complicated business, as any soliciter/lawyer who's just spent the past 7 or 8 years completing their "initiation" will tell you.

* There are very few common law rights in comparison to the above and knowing these rights with enough conviction that strapping one on and applying them becomes second nature is a much easier path to follow then working with the literal mindfield (you wont get blowed up, but your rear passage may be at risk when your landed in jail) which is the maritime law judicial system. - Also id like to add that once you claim your god given common law rights then statutes and regulations no longer apply to you. You are no longer working within or are obliged to work within their system, and therefore are not obliged to seize, grasp or understand any of their silly legal definitions and what not.


The main emphasis on this is to STUDY. Its worth it! And anyone who tells you that its complicated and to turn away now (lest ye be turned to stone) are literally advising you to turn your back on freedom and open your arms to slavery. And then the second and most importance emphasis is to stand by those convictions no matter how big and bad that police officer thinks himself to be.


This was once an optional choice. Its now a decision more people need to start making fast. As anyone can see, the shackles are slowly tightening..




[Disclaimer] - Dont do this because i said to do it. Do it because you've done enough study to see that it does work and it is the answer!

All rights reserved

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by Jack

You just said it right there.

My whole motivation in persuing this (down to my bloody fingernails) is simply down to the two facts below.

* There are millions of statutes, rules and regulations a person must be aware of in order to work within the judicial structure that has been placed before us. Working within the law is a profound and complicated business, as any soliciter/lawyer who's just spent the past 7 or 8 years completing their "initiation" will tell you.

* There are very few common law rights in comparison to the above and knowing these rights with enough conviction that strapping one on and applying them becomes second nature is a much easier path to follow then working with the literal mindfield (you wont get blowed up, but your rear passage may be at risk when your landed in jail) which is the maritime law judicial system. - Also id like to add that once you claim your god given common law rights then statutes and regulations no longer apply to you. You are no longer working within or are obliged to work within their system, and therefore are not obliged to seize, grasp or understand any of their silly legal definitions and what not.


The main emphasis on this is to STUDY. Its worth it! And anyone who tells you that its complicated and to turn away now (lest ye be turned to stone) are literally advising you to turn your back on freedom and open your arms to slavery. And then the second and most importance emphasis is to stand by those convictions no matter how big and bad that police officer thinks himself to be.


This was once an optional choice. Its now a decision more people need to start making fast. As anyone can see, the shackles are slowly tightening..




[Disclaimer] - Dont do this because i said to do it. Do it because you've done enough study to see that it does work and it is the answer!

All rights reserved

It is a lot easier to study to understand this issue than to try and figure out what Sir Abraxas is talking about on the Thuban thread

[shiftmonkey]

Originally Posted by Gnosis5

It is a lot easier to study to understand this issue than to try and figure out what Sir Abraxas is talking about on the Thuban thread

LOL!

[Gnosis5]

Here is another viewpoint to consider before deciding to confront the "illegal" system:


http://www.xeeatwelve.com/articles/irs.html

[shiftmonkey]

Originally Posted by Gnosis5

Here is another viewpoint to consider before deciding to confront the "illegal" system:


http://www.xeeatwelve.com/articles/irs.html

The article itself strikes me as a load of half truths thrown together to deliberately confuse the issue... the very thing it claims to be exposing. This is counter-intelligence 101. The article tries to come off as helpful but it uses quite a bit of speculation, unsubstantiated reasoning and wild claims. I have personally run into this in the areas of alternative health/medicine and forestry conservation.

As stated in the article it is very likely that there are bogus sites and organizations set up to intentionally confuse and discredit the issue- but the article presents it in a way that creates fear and promotes a feeling of futility.

Agents do indeed infiltrate certain movements. I have friends who were some of the original members of The Farm. They expierienced this first hand and it nearly brought the whole thing down. http://www.thefarm.org

There is also an environmental group called Earth First! that is the poster child for this sort of thing. FBI agents planted a car bomb and killed one of their founders by the name of Judi Bari.

I am not mentioning these things to frighten or discourage anyone. There is a native American saying that that says "let fear never guide my feet". People wind up as victims in the game when they let their own egos get in the way... it blinds them and causes them to not be paying attention. I believe that there is a higher intuitive force that guides and protects people when intentions are pure and acted upon for the benefit of all sentient beings. There is nothing to fear.

[xbusymom]

Originally Posted by shiftmonkey

People wind up as victims in the game when they let their own egos get in the way... it blinds them and causes them to not be paying attention. I believe that there is a higher intuitive force that guides and protects people when intentions are pure and acted upon for the benefit of all sentient beings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2fBpbOitIk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie7gz...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G15ZW3TWczE

let the guidance of your strong emotional feeling help you to pay attention to what you want or don't want... pay attention to what you focus on and how you feel about what you are focusing on...

because ... well - listen to the videos- I can't explain it as well as Abraham...

[Gnosis5]

Here it is:

[xbusymom]

Originally Posted by Gnosis5

Here it is:

thank you... now lets see if I can do that...


yipee, I did... thank you

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

Or you could do it and simply refuse to give them what they want.

I remember when I was 15-16. I used to do things that would make people cry but that's only because I could not stand their authority over me. I laughed at them, I mocked them and I refused to let them win. They broke down, they became frustrated and they gave up.

Whether or not they were part of a bigger thing, I'll never know.

But what does work is ignoring these people. Who are they to infringe upon your rights in life? What makes them superior to you? Why do you have to live in fear of them? Where did they come from? How could they possibly control you?

The real answer is that they can't.

Sometimes, you have to use their tactics against them.

Yes, so it seems the first step to maintaining one's sanity in this insane system is knowledge of what is really going on. Then get an attitude about it

[morguana]

love it jack, sounds like a wonderfull idea, i wonder if there are any 'down' sides to this? i wonder if it can be done in the uk? (all land here belongs to the monachy, i believe.....maybe someone can find out for sure)
m x

[Jack]

Originally Posted by morguana

love it jack, sounds like a wonderfull idea, i wonder if there are any 'down' sides to this? i wonder if it can be done in the uk? (all land here belongs to the monachy, i believe.....maybe someone can find out for sure)
m x

Yes, it applies to any commonwealth country including Ireland, England, United States, Canada and Australia. All of these concepts can be used with a little bit of tweaking in different countries.

If your looking for a notice of understanding for the Uk just type into google ;

"Notice of understanding and intent and claim of right" UK

[Jack]

Notice of understanding and intent and claim of right, Deconstructed. United Kingdom.







Please educate yourself and read everything you can before attempting to apply any of these techniques. The most important thing in the world is that you understand them, and understand your rights in such a way that you will have no fear defending them if needs be.

[Jack]

The next time you get busted, keep this video in mind.





Tyranny will only succeed by the hands of the shpeople.


Know your rights, teach your children their rights, apply those rights, claim your freedom (or they will take it away)

[Jack]

DO NOT CONSENT


If you have not hurt someone, damaged their property, or commited fraud in your contracts then they can only apply statutory legislation on you.

Statute; A legislative rule of society given the force of law by the consent of the governed.


Give them nothing.


"I do not consent to any searches"

"Am i free to go?"

"Am i under Arrest"

"Have you witnessed me breach the peace?"

"I am now reserving my right to not engage in conversation with any peace officer who has not witnessed me breach the peace"

[Peace of mind]

Thanks Jack, I'm sure this will be useful to many of us.
*archiving*

Peace

[Jack]

If being detained ;

1
a. Shut up.
b. Keep your mouth shut
c. If you keep your lips pressed together the silly words wont fall out.

[aroundthetable]

This is an attractive idea Jack, i felt similar excitement when i first came acrooss it. However, it is indeed complicated and time consuming, i feel ultimately we are better spending our valuable time spreading spirituality, love, something everyone can engage in.

That said, i root for all those prepared to take a stand in this way. Bon Courage Jack.

I like to follow this guys adventures,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A32-5FoQEMs



ps, i seem to recall Bill commenting on this subject, something about it not being particularly useful against microwave weapons etc. Heres another link about these weapons and others. Robots dont care about your rights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpu8axRFssU

[sammytray]

jack...

solutions??? I dig it! I will be following your thread and participating as best as possible. This is a good thread.

[lawyerforliberty]

Originally Posted by Jack

I have come up with a solution for anyone who wishes to hit the powers that be where it hurts. As well as making life a hell of a lot more comfortable for those who choose to walk this road.

I'm starting this thread to first see if there is many here who are interested in a solution, and if so the thread will go from there.

There is such a thing as a notice of understanding and intent and claim of right which in essence makes you a freeman on the land and no longer applicable to understand (stand-under) the millions (literally) of statutes that are used for revenue collection by the justice departments each day.

Through enough of us becoming a freeman on the land we can truly start to take back our power, and bring those who have taken advantage of theirs to justice if they choose to step out of their system and into our courts.

Anyone who has information on this subject please do feel free to post, and I will continue to add to this thread as time goes by. Consider this a testing of the waters. If avalon is looking for solutions, then this is it.

I'm going to try to communicate something here in response to this thread, which appears to me as I quickly perused it, to be dealing with what can be summarized and lumped together as the Sovereign, Strawman, UPPER CASE name that is not me, UCC, in commerce theory. I'll call it the Strawman.

I studied the Strawman at length for many years and ultimately came to the conclusion that the subject is fraught with lies, half-truths (which is still a whole lie) and has been overly simplified as to make it complicated and dangerous, and that what truth there is to it, has been obfuscated either unwittingly by well-intentioned but misguided and misinformed people, or intentionally by agents provacateur.

What I've just said and what I am going to very briefly add lacks detail and is conclusory and not descriptive, because I do not have the inclination to get into this subject again in great detail. Some of you may even claim that I am a member of the establishment and that my opinion is to be disregarded. That is certainly up to each of you to decide.

Nevertheless, in my opinion you should not waste your time, effort and money pursuing this. Be very careful before you put your physical liberty at risk. It is unnecessary to do any of this to be free (because you already are), most of you won't understand this stuff (no offense intended), you won't know what to accept as true and what to disregard as fiction, and the establishment. i.e., judges, DA's, banks, FBI, IRS and the like, are way ahead of you on this--principally because they have been brainwashed to see you as the enemy and they will simply ignore you and proceed against you regardless of what you say or do.

In short, you can create what ever piece of paper you want, notarize it, file it with the secretary of state, etc... and it will not make a bit of difference to the establishment. Pursuing your freedom by freeing yourself from your Strawman is a distraction that the PTB could not care less about, and in many cases hope you get got up in. That exercise saps your energy and keeps your eye off the ball.

Yes, the funny money-fiat-legal tender-fractional reserve-central banking system and the income tax system are corrupt and enslaving. (And intentionally so.) But to free yourself from those systems, don't borrow money and do engage in livelihoods that avoid or at least minimize taxation. However, that is very hard to do and for most people seemingly impossible to do. But, staying wthin the system and trying to avoid your Strawman is even harder and may cause you to lose some of the very freedom you seek.

Your freedom and liberty do not come from a piece of paper, notarized or not. You know that. Your freedom and liberty preceed all establishments, commercial and otherwise, and are ordained by Universe, G-d, consciousness, or whatever you see as the source of being.

We are beings, we are consciousness and, thus, we are free. Why look for what you already have?

[Gnosis5]

Very interesting other viewpoint.

My question is when countries submit themselves to the world government laws and acts then constitutions of nations are overrode.

[lawyerforliberty]

Originally Posted by Gnosis5

Very interesting other viewpoint.

My question is when countries submit themselves to the world government laws and acts then constitutions of nations are overrode.

I claim no inside information or any great insight, but in my view most countries long ago submitted themselves to world government and in the US at least, the Constitution has been for all intents and purposes overridden. The disabilities that document saddles on the national government have certainly been ignored and the limited powers granted therein to the national government have been greatly expanded to the point of usurpation.

I edit my post to hasten to add, that while the PTB are content, if not determined, to ignore the Constitution, many of the natural rights recognized therein, especially in the Bill of Rights, have not been and cannot be vitiated. Moreover, these rights, being natural, are not dependent upon the existence of a document called the Constitution. Thus, whether the Constitution of the US, or any other country, is honored or ignored by the PTB, the people remain vested in their natural rights. The PTB can never take that away.