CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!

[feardia]

Cliff has recently been setting himself up as a guru and going down the path of the whistleblowers he criticises. Let us not forget that last year he was promoting Andrew de Bassagio as the planetary whistleblower predicted by the webbots. Funny that de Bassagio was/is/will be a time-traveller, and Clif makes his money from one of the strange properties of time that even he doesn't understand properly, I suppose thats why he thinks he's qualified to talk about it.

There is a big mystery about time and I don't think Cliff has cracked it, I would rather listen to Nassim Haramein or someone who really knows what they are talking about, like Wubbo Ockels (see vid). I heard (or dreamt) that when Jrod or His Omnipotarsehole Krll was taken to meet the physicists he went up to the blackboard and rubbed out e=mc2 and replaced it with e=delta t c2.

i think those of us on this forum have enough discernment to see through all of these whistleblowers and other bs merchants, we all ahve to find our own truth...

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by feardia

i think those of us on this forum have enough discernment to see through all of these whistleblowers and other bs merchants, we all ahve to find our own truth...

People like Cliff are just trying to capitalize on Project Camelot's reputation and fame.
He is just another nobody who wants to be somebody.

[gibonos]

Originally Posted by Fredkc

I gotta keep asking, and I mean no ill feelings towards you, pineal, but...

Doesn't Cliff High already have a web site?

Fred

we should ban talking about wilcock, deagle, veritas and others too
I though different prspective was #1 rule here and than we can discern

Cliff has an interesting take here. If time is just a perception (and I think it is), and all things past, present, and future are really happening at the same time, then why wouldn't it be possible to change one's perception to the relative past or future, thus traveling in time?

--sjkted

from what I understand: is you can not go to a place that does not exist anymore or yet (physically of course :-))

Well well, if time doesn't exist, consequently the future indeed doesn't exist either ... so what is halfpasthuman.com about then ?

I can easily understand the concept of webbots since I am a web-application programmer myself and although I am
not knowledgeable in linguistics I can only assume there might be a connection between use of language and psychic abilities.

But as of lately I noticed that Cliff is beginning to talk more and more on a vast diversity of subjects and seems knowledgeable
on physics, astronomy etc. (stardom fever ?) The core of it all ending up as fear mongering.

I tend to see it more and more as programming now ... (and as a programmer I should know).
If you overload the people with concepts and ideas (like the 2012 movie) we will end up manifesting it.
That's why the PTB don't like the popularity of the Avatar movie ! It will bring us back to loving nature and
kick the bastards of this planet ....

I know how to make predictions: I create programs and need a machine to execute it for me. Sometimes it needs a little
debugging but in the end it's exactly performing how I wanted it to be.

So ... let's not be a machine and become human again. Let the PTB execute their twisted programs on themselves

halfpasthuman is based on nuance, and from we wrote, would operate inbetween destruction and creation;
because we only get perception of time, we don't know how long do those events last in universe's time (maybe only "one" space fart :-))

i'm of the opinion that not "specially" trained in the area would be a better observer than those that are trained, in other words it's hard to notice change if your thought process doesn't allow it (lets say in clif current constract his not able to timetravel)

overload wouldn't cause events to happen simply because of overload, to manifest you have to focus, when I have overloaded mind, first I have to meditate/process everything and than can concentrate on something

Cliff has recently been setting himself up as a guru and going down the path of the whistleblowers he criticises. Let us not forget that last year he was promoting Andrew de Bassagio as the planetary whistleblower predicted by the webbots. Funny that de Bassagio was/is/will be a time-traveller, and Clif makes his money from one of the strange properties of time that even he doesn't understand properly, I suppose thats why he thinks he's qualified to talk about it.

There is a big mystery about time and I don't think Cliff has cracked it, I would rather listen to Nassim Haramein or someone who really knows what they are talking about, like Wubbo Ockels (see vid). I heard (or dreamt) that when Jrod or His Omnipotarsehole Krll was taken to meet the physicists he went up to the blackboard and rubbed out e=mc2 and replaced it with e=delta t c2.

i think those of us on this forum have enough discernment to see through all of these whistleblowers and other bs merchants, we all ahve to find our own truth...

what was said yar ago does not have to be true now, your argument would apply to you as well when you heard the first time in your life new claim and said it was not true, i.e. mr Smith who hears about 9/11 for the first time, he rejects it, but after a year his deep into conspiracy, came next year he is saying it wasn't a bomb it was a beem weapon, would you say his wrong, NO
just new facts or simple cogitation change his view point, we all have the right and responsibility to do so

from clifs site

Well, this understanding now means (until proven wrong) that time travel is not possible

My own conclusions:
He never wrote that he is not wrong, just for now, nor did he say believe me, but reject and discern for own.
What bassiago said was that you can not go past the time where the first machine was built, which makes sense to me, but what if there are other, not earthly timemachine on earth?

Contrary to that if timetravel exist why ptw wouldn't teleport or timetravel to after 2012 or 2015?
Maybe there is another way of traveling which we don;t know or are capealbe of understanding.
Reality shows however that if there is timetravel it is not so easy, vide ptw hiding not skiping couple years!

Another thing I wanted to write is the fact that clif is just a tool in universe, like tesla, jesus or simple john, he has a purpose.
He has the advantage of having model of model space, where he keeps himself and for my mind he keeps in line with what he sees there, self fulling life. Probablly he knows he will get a lot of bashing and booing, but does it anyways, putting his reputation on the line, which is not easy.
There are not to many people who are so controversial like him, either love him or hate him, which only shows to me that proponents should be more critical, where opponents need more discernment.

gibonos

[Roman195]

Contrary to that if timetravel exist why ptw wouldn't teleport or timetravel to after 2012 or 2015?
Maybe there is another way of traveling which we don;t know or are capealbe of understanding.
Reality shows however that if there is timetravel it is not so easy, vide ptw hiding not skiping couple years!


gibonos[/QUOTE]

The powers that be have tried to look at the future( it was assured them through “Looking Glass” maybe). Then the“looking glass’s” vision of the future started to change according to Dan B.. What could have happened? One thing, I suppose could have happened, Free Will! Here’s how I see it. Through the ages Free Will has been suppressed and the PTB choices were substituted for the Will of the people. It was easy to predict then, because their choices had the effect of Dogma (Am God said backwards). The new PTB seen a change in their master plan and verified through “Looking Glass” maybe. They started to panic. Our created future is starting to disappear, and these other time lines started to gain in prominence. Their worst fears started to act up, for they might have known the real reason why this was happening. People were starting to wake up and not being sheeples anymore. Sheeples were starting to make their own choices, add the 100th monkey effect and they realized it was unstoppable. So now plan b is in effect for them, eliminate free thinkers and we can start this all over again. Maybe the reason they're preparing to hide underground? I can go into many reasons why they are wrong, but the main one is; I think we have reached the point where we can shape our own future and no matter how hard they try. They are only assuring their future in a different timeline. We are on our own path now and unless they realize they too have Free Will their faith is sealed in their timeline.
In Peace and Unity,
Roman
“He who doesn’t learn from the past is destine to relive it.”

[HeatherJJAnderson]

I find this amazing, thus these are the same skeptics the said the earth was flat and if you said it was not that was BS,
Same skeptics that said man can not or shall not take to the skies yet we have, and again the same skeptics that said if a woman floats she is a witch and if she drowns she is not? because we believe that we are civilized make no mistake on how archaic our minds truly are. Simply because one has an ipod and a very big television human nature is to be skeptical and afraid about things that they do not understand. Unless the individual can see the truth then the collective shall still wear blinders.

Fifteen years ago the skeptics "knew" David Icke was crazy, now he is a visionary for exposing aspects that have come to light, one should not be so quick to judge a person's experience against there own, a person can live an entire lifetime and be totally unaware of the world around them, yet some are so aware that they cannot handle normal society.

I frown upon Cliff High for this as something must have touched a nerve with him. Short of calling out a few people, and yet when you meet a being or an entity that is not service to others you understand that all the proof in the world shall not save you from your own moment of time that will forever elude you as it is truly a moment of rebirth into a world without the matrix, and so many people make light of these experiences and that is a cause for disbelief for if you do cross paths with a being, you have trouble thinking of this experience much less coming on here and saying " I met a alien and it was beautiful" because the first time is terrifying and many upon many can not handle it, this is why so many minds fracture when thinking about the DOW because our human brain is never supposed to break the rules of this matrix.

because honestly there is no "Good" attention to be gained from talking of such things, only ridicule, yet people come here and they are ridiculed regardless, and they continue why? because they know that the idiots and fools sit on their thrones of gold dream of there shining new world order of Chaos and death, when those who have seen the beginning as it happened we know the dawn will bring one thing for these people, their final day.

Dr Anderson

[Fredkc]

"My words but a whisper, your deafness a shout." - Ian Andersen

[sjkted]

Originally Posted by Majorion

People like Cliff are just trying to capitalize on Project Camelot's reputation and fame.
He is just another nobody who wants to be somebody.

Ummm... for those of us who have been around for a while, Camelot is the new kid on the block. In terms of predictions about the future, Camelot hasn't exactly had a good track record.

--sjkted

[gibonos]

@Roman195

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gibonos

[Roman195]

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"There is no good and evil. It just is." Red Elk

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by sjkted

Ummm... for those of us who have been around for a while, Camelot is the new kid on the block. In terms of predictions about the future, Camelot hasn't exactly had a good track record.

And what exactly does this have to do with what I said?

[Zenbuoy]

Originally Posted by Majorion

And what exactly does this have to do with what I said?

Clif was around before Camelot.
George is probably 120 years old and is an ET
They predicted 9/11.
In other words, if you reduce your report from hundred$ to $10 then most likely you are not trying to capitalize.

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by Zenbuoy

Clif was around before Camelot.

Well if Cliff has "been around" longer than Camelot, then where's his forum, where are his whistleblowers, where's his conferences, where's his groundcrew?

In other words, if you reduce your report from hundred$ to $10 then most likely you are not trying to capitalize.

Capitalizing may have nothing to do with money, in this case, Cliff is pulling people in his direction by dissing PC. Not very honorable is it?

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

I have always viewed Project Camelot as largely a faux-reality show and I have my reasons for doing so. That is to say it is a collection of disinformation agents, hoaxers, confidence men, and delusional individuals, along with the rare genuine article in here and there I think, pretty much by chance.

My God man, then why are you even here on this forum?

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by Majorion

My God man, then why are you even here on this forum?

"...the rare genuine article ... here and there ..."

[Kulapops]

I really like George Ure, and by inference Cliff High. I've heard him interviewed a few times and liked what I heard. The idea that we can predict the future, if in an albeit flaky way is incredibly exciting.

But when I step outside for a moment and consider that thought:

Do we really believe there is a way to predict the future?

I mean, really?

Really, really, really, really? For sure? 100%? You believe that?

Not totally surprising if then, the first thing you accurately predict with your machine would be the end of the human race - because what would be the point of having one ? Doesn't it rather eliminate the whole free will argument?


I read Cliff's site the other night, and I almost got depressed. He's building an unsinkable boat. The man with the time machine... is building an unsinkable boat, and waves 1km high will sweep the earth.

If I really believe that, I need to build an unsinkable boat too. I haven't started one yet, and I worried that I hadn't What if he IS RIGHT?? I thought. What about my living in the moment, and loving everyone, and joining the universal consciousnees and overcoming duality? These are my contingency plans. So what about my B****y unsinkable boat??

I realised then, that it's true - a man can't serve two masters and I don't think it's possible for me to plan for two outcomes... spiritual advancement whilst planning for a global killer. Preparing for a 'Global killer' means buying into fear. That's what I've learned after 18months at Avalon. I guess we just have to choose which eventuality we want to prepare for.

Who can say with 100% certainty that either spiritual ascension or giant wave sloshing will happen by 2012? For all we know, nothing will have happened.

Life has never proved me right so far, why should it start now?

Summer of Hell anyone?

K

[eleni]

I sent Clif's musings to Dr. Anderson and asked him what he would say in response - have not heard back from him yet but here's a chart from his site:

http://www.andersoninstitute.com/tim...chnologies.htm

Interesting site:
http://www.time-travelers.org/

[aroundthetable]

response to kulas post, not sure where the quote box went

I read Cliff's site the other night, and I almost got depressed. He's building an unsinkable boat. The man with the time machine... is building an unsinkable boat, and waves 1km high will sweep the earth.

If I really believe that, I need to build an unsinkable boat too. I haven't started one yet, and I worried that I hadn't What if he IS RIGHT?? I thought. What about my living in the moment, and loving everyone, and joining the universal consciousnees and overcoming duality? These are my contingency plans. So what about my B****y unsinkable boat??

I realised then, that it's true - a man can't serve two masters and I don't think it's possible for me to plan for two outcomes... spiritual advancement whilst planning for a global killer. Preparing for a 'Global killer' means buying into fear. That's what I've learned after 18months at Avalon. I guess we just have to choose which eventuality we want to prepare for.

Who can say with 100% certainty that either spiritual ascension or giant wave sloshing will happen by 2012? For all we know, nothing will have happened.

Life has never proved me right so far, why should it start now?

Summer of Hell anyone?

K[/QUOTE]

Hey Kula i got an old canoe you can patch up, very cheap

enjoying your posts

[sjkted]

Originally Posted by Kulapops

I really like George Ure, and by inference Cliff High. I've heard him interviewed a few times and liked what I heard. The idea that we can predict the future, if in an albeit flaky way is incredibly exciting.

But when I step outside for a moment and consider that thought:

Do we really believe there is a way to predict the future?

I mean, really?

Really, really, really, really? For sure? 100%? You believe that?

Not totally surprising if then, the first thing you accurately predict with your machine would be the end of the human race - because what would be the point of having one ? Doesn't it rather eliminate the whole free will argument?


I read Cliff's site the other night, and I almost got depressed. He's building an unsinkable boat. The man with the time machine... is building an unsinkable boat, and waves 1km high will sweep the earth.

If I really believe that, I need to build an unsinkable boat too. I haven't started one yet, and I worried that I hadn't What if he IS RIGHT?? I thought. What about my living in the moment, and loving everyone, and joining the universal consciousnees and overcoming duality? These are my contingency plans. So what about my B****y unsinkable boat??

I realised then, that it's true - a man can't serve two masters and I don't think it's possible for me to plan for two outcomes... spiritual advancement whilst planning for a global killer. Preparing for a 'Global killer' means buying into fear. That's what I've learned after 18months at Avalon. I guess we just have to choose which eventuality we want to prepare for.

Who can say with 100% certainty that either spiritual ascension or giant wave sloshing will happen by 2012? For all we know, nothing will have happened.

Life has never proved me right so far, why should it start now?

Summer of Hell anyone?

K

Hey, what's wrong with a little preparation? I'm ready to go exodus style to my high-altitude cave in Arizona with my items should the need (pole shift) arise.

I'm also doing quite well in spiritual prep work.

IMO, it's impossible for anyone to know what really will happen. It's very prudent to have preparations for any scenario. Then again, if the full pole shift 2012-movie style happens, I'm not sure I would want to stay incarnated on this planet. It's one thing to make it alive through. It's another to think of how horrific life could be afterwards...

--sjkted

[yiolas]

Originally Posted by Kulapops

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I read Cliff's site the other night, and I almost got depressed. He's building an unsinkable boat. The man with the time machine... is building an unsinkable boat, and waves 1km high will sweep the earth.

If I really believe that, I need to build an unsinkable boat too. I haven't started one yet, and I worried that I hadn't What if he IS RIGHT?? I thought. What about my living in the moment, and loving everyone, and joining the universal consciousnees and overcoming duality? These are my contingency plans. So what about my B****y unsinkable boat??

I realised then, that it's true - a man can't serve two masters and I don't think it's possible for me to plan for two outcomes... spiritual advancement whilst planning for a global killer. Preparing for a 'Global killer' means buying into fear. That's what I've learned after 18months at Avalon. I guess we just have to choose which eventuality we want to prepare for.


K

Yes Kulapops ! I've arrived at the same conclusion during my sojourn here at PA. I first arrived out of fear, and then stayed because I saw hope and the possibility of evolution and ascension within the words of the wonderful people here. Even the controversy between Cliff and B&K has been a learning experience for me. It has helped me to rely on myself even more in my process of searching for the truth.

[Kulapops]

I am surprised that Cliff has got into a slanging match. As someone here so eloquently posted Cliff's own quote about having to provide 'extraordinary proof' - how does that apply to his own technology?

I'm all for people having great ideas but when they start to take themselves too seriously (and I include myself in this) they lose a certain kind of flexibility and become stiff and brittle. This second broadside at Camelot has a slightly more bitter taste to it than the first and seems largely unsolicited.

The taller the willow grows, the more it bends.

If the world really were going to end in three years (and I don't think it will) - I'd rather enjoy this life to the full as a loving and hopeful being (mowing lawns if you will) than spend it sanding down a boat, only to find I die when the time comes anyway. (Can you imagine? "Oh Sh*t! It's sprung a leak !!!")

Peace n love n whatever it is that makes you happy

K

[Slerbo]

That's a good point raised by of few people.. Re: 'how can Clif's predictive linguistics methods be viable, when he has now decided there is no tangible 'future', as this then implies something akin to an existing 'timeline'?

He states he goes with the 'eternal now' concpt as far as the material world, inc. our body and minds (presumably not the memory) are concerned.

In his current understanding, he seems to now believe consciousness to be outside the time/body/aging experience entirely, so it might follow that a system of prediction based on humans possessing some psychic ability would actually be tapping into some kind of mass consciousness (which is not 'real body time' dependent), existing outside of the individual's material time space. I don;t know if i got that right... but something like that! So, it could still fit well.

Well I don't mind what Clif writes, he's a cool guy. I didn't mind the Summer of Mild Discontent series and sequel. I buy his reports with pleasure.

Does Clif High really need to strain and bust a vein, just to Mad Max it on the future Planet Hell? I'd put that wrestling mat away in the bedroom if I were him, and have a nice well earned sleep on it for a bit. I don't believe the frothing dancing Dr. Beagle and his ilk for a second, but I like those tall stories at times!

Bickering here and there... when, how will it end, how many will perish oh great ones? Oh the pain of knowing! etc... Many 'talkers' could be sort of right, you know, and sort of totally wrong maybe. But, we really don't need to subscribe to anyone else's views about anything.

It is good to listen to everyone, and accept there are indeed slippery deceivers out there getting air time too - so maybe Clif could simply drink a bit less coffee (the agro could be just excess caffiene in a hyper-smart middle aged man). Maybe also breathe in some other more fragrant fumes, not just marine-ply sealer, and live right up to that cool last name.

If everyone could just enjoy their fake time now, for god's sake.

[sjkted]

Originally Posted by Majorion

My God man, then why are you even here on this forum?

I second this view. B&K get quite a bit of garbage information thrown their way. Many of the whistleblowers B&K interview are just relaying information that they have been given. They are genuine and real and they are not lying, but most of them aren't really qualified to substantiate whether their information is real either. That's why we need people like Cliff and that's why we need to research these people's backgrounds and the topic matter as much as we can.

I'm here because the people are here real and yet awakened to what is happening in the world. Most of the whistleblowers live in a world of government protocols and systems. They aren't real. We are.

--sjkted

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by sjkted

That's why we need people like Cliff and that's why we need to research these people's backgrounds and the topic matter as much as we can.

I've listened to Cliff High before, but personally, I don't need anyone to tell me whose qualified and whose lying, and whose a fraud, etc. These are distinctions best left to people's own intuitions and research, because ultimately that's the way things have always been and people will follow whatever they want anyway.

Suggesting a 'need' for some third party analysis when people can do their own analysis and come to their own conclusions, is absurd.

Peace

[Kulapops]

If anyone needs to know what's real, here's a tip.

Just turn off this computer and sit still for three minutes.

There you go, there you are. It's you. Weclome. Is that real enough for you?

Real is happening now. It's only happening now. It doesn't come tomorrow.

If you are preparing right now for a 1000m wall of water heading for your house. Then that is your reality.

There's nothing wrong with that reality. But I don't feel like it's me. I'm not good with 1000m of water. Doesn't seem that I was born to deal with that amount of free universal hand-out.

So I'm going to try and stick to what I know. I'm just watching Greg Braden's 7 parter on youtube... and I have to say I feel a lot better watching that than reading up on boats. Maybe I'm deluded, Cliff talks about the one's who deal with fear , rather than threats.

But here's the kicker... WE ALL DIE.

Sometime.

What are you doing to prepare for that inevitable event? Got enough paper and glue? Bought enough dried food for that one?

What is real is what is real to you. And we are all one. There is no right or objective wrong, only your perfect expression of the collective atoms that is you. How could you fo anything, but what you were born for?

Love yas

K

[aroundthetable]

Originally Posted by Kulapops

If anyone needs to know what's real, here's a tip.

Just turn off this computer and sit still for three minutes.
K

could only manage 30 secs here