Comet/ G1.9 giant planetary body coming in to solar system

[wfranzen]

I don't know where to start concerning the rubbish posted in the article that was originally referred to. If you just google G1.9, you will find lots of references, and also pictures. It is clear that this is not a planet. Here are some of the things a real scientist, Mike Brown, (not some anonymous unspecified set of "Spanish Astronomers", or someone writing a bogus article about such), who has actually discovered planetoids in the outer Solar System has to say on his blog http://www.mikebrownsplanets.com/200...nd-of-fall.htm:

"There is *definitely* not anything 1.9 Jupiter masses out at 100 AU or we would have know a century ago!"

And regarding the article at viewzone.com/browndwarf.html:

"Wow; that web site does an amazing job of taking real science and making it crazy. The discovery is a *supernova remnant* not a planet. And it is nowhere near us (though it is moderately close to being in the same *direction* as Pluto). The actual scientific press release is here:
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/chandra/news/08-062.html"

wfranzen

[NorthernSanctuary]

I think the important question is if there is a large inbound body/ Comet that is coming into the solar system. What do you thing of the correlation from following info given by a military intelligence whistle blower on 2012/ global warming / Px / Nibiru:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygimp...eature=related

[gscraig]

This link feels genuine, and it kinda sums up all of the fragments of information leaking out and it help explain the curious Denver Airport construction.

Sometimes you are being told the same information from different sources so often, that "something" about the information is true.

[wfranzen]

Northern Sanctuary,

Sorry for the delay. I am very busy, and you did ask me to comment on a two hour video.

First off, my earlier reply to your initial post specifically said the claim by some that G1.9 was a large planetary body was bogus. I was not claiming there was absolutely no danger.

It is just that I am getting real tired of these supposed NIBIRU of the month sightings. People keep claiming (or asking) whether this or that is NIBIRU, or something really BIG and nasty that will hit us soon, or come close enough to cause a pole shift, or what not. Sorry, but in my opinion people making these claims are either clueless or just spreading fear. Don't buy into these scare stories.

I just don't understand this NIBIRU fixation, especially when an impact by an asteroid one mile in diameter or even less would make a total hash of civilization. And there is even some credible evidence that about 12900 years ago an asteriod/cometary impact or a number of them caused a catastrophe. See

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas_event

or

"The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes" by Richard Firestone, Allen West and Simon Warwick-Smith:

http://www.amazon.com/Cycle-Cosmic-C.../dp/1591430615

While they haven't proved their claim that the ultimate cause was a much earlier supernova, they have done their homework. They make a convincing case there was an impact (or series of impacts) at about that time. However, there is no scientific reason for assuming we are due for a serious impact soon.

Regarding the video you mentioned. The presenter (Sorry, don't recall his name) starts out making some accurate scientific statements. There is some evidence that the Thermohaline circulation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meridio...ng_circulation may be shutting down. I think he overstates things though. He claims it WILL shut down. I don’t think things are at all that certain. And even then he seems to think this is imminent, even though he says the exact time is unknown. Even though there is some cause for concern ,http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen....climatechange , I think we are talking decades before it happens (if it does). However, IF it happens, the consequences would be severe. But this would not cause the DRAMATICALLY rising sea levels are he is talking about later.

There are at least a couple of aspects to what he is talking about. One is that he is getting testimony from (ex) naval officers that they have been warned about significantly higher sea levels occurring within a short span of time (was it 30 to 60 days?). I am not sure of the height of the change, but I seem to recall the change would be at least one hundred feet with possible damage to at least 500 feet. However, this does not jibe with “Wisconsin being gone” (not an exact quote, but my recollection), which would mean an even higher change. Retiring government officials were selecting retirement locations based on this information. The second part is that he had somehow concluded this would be due to a pole shift, even though he had not been told that, and used Velikovsky as an authority.

Now, using Velikovsky as an authority sets off MAJOR alarm bells with me. So much so that I am not sure what if anything I can trust about what he is saying (other than what I can verify independently). He seems to have bought into a major 2012 (or sooner) doomsday, end of the world scenario. It is not/no longer clear to me how much of what he said is based on what he was told, how accurate or CERTAIN what people had been told was, how much of what he was told depended on people’s own research to explain what they had been told, and how much he had concluded based on the research he had done to explain what he had been told.

I’m sorry, I will need to stop here. My wife is forcefully demanding I call it a night.

[wfranzen]

Northern Sanctuary,

Sorry, if the criticism in my last message seemed aimed at you. It was not so intended, and also more generally tact has never been my strong suit. Now back to what I thought about the video.

I cannot argue with witness testimony, but I am unable to tell exactly where that testimony ends and where the presenter's own biases begin. I am guessing witnesses did not tell him that whatever was going to happen was due to a pole shift. He merely came up with that as an explanation for why there might/would be such massive inundation.

I would have to say that based on the SCIENTIFIC information I currently have, a physical (as opposed to magnetic) pole shift is not a credible scenario. You may have other reasons for believing one might happen, and I am sure Dan Burish would have something to say about this, but I won't get into that here. So let me engage in some rank SPECULATION about what might have gone on here.

I do not know if you have heard about 99942 Apophis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis . This asteroid was discovered in 2004, and has the distinction of having HAD the highest threat level of any asteroid (4 on the Torino scale http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torino_Scale ). Now for well over a year, and maybe close to two, this asteroid had a significant assigned probability of impacting in 2029. Now suppose you are a high level government bureaucrat, and you hear about this – what to you do? Well you get some think tank to do a study and see what the risks are. Now, since the trajectory is known so poorly, you certainly don’t know where it would impact, but you do know that 70% of the surface of the earth is water, so what happens if it impacts in the ocean? Well you run some simulations and see how far inundations might travel inland if it happens to land in some inopportune spots. And Holy ****, Batman! – this is serious. And so you conclude that maybe you should not have all your government facilities near the ocean. Even if this asteroid turns out benign, the threat is ongoing although small, so you decide to relocate some of your facilities. And by the way, maybe you also tell some top officials/some of your buddies that they might not want to retire at that beachfront property, although you don’t tell them exactly why. Again, this whole scenario has been speculation. And as it turns out now, this asteroid is currently assigned a very small probability of impacting.

[NorthernSanctuary]

Hi Wolfgang,

I see it as mainly a testimony and posted it up for each person's assessment. I know the global warming explanation is not correct. In any case the timeline for this to happen is very close.

In times of great change such as we are presently in, to take action based only on the scientific method (left brain function) will be inadequate and too slow; the challenge is to integrate with the intuitive side of your being. So each person is left to assess the credibility of the speaker in this case.

Here's a video on planet X that some believe to be valid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW4L5hoS5mI

[gscraig]

Hello All,

This exchange of perspectives remind me of that which the Soviet scientist are having with the US scientist. One believes and suggest openly greater concern for the evidence, and one does not. Do you know where that leaves you, or us? "Knowing nothing for certain", unless we are able to conduct the test ourselves.

I think wfranz put it best:

I don’t think things are at all that certain

This by the way, applies to wfranz and his post. He as We all are only certain of what we think, feel, believe.

What we CAN do, is access whatever tools we have to identify physical proof/patterns, etc for ourselves. This includes tools such as SOHO, Stereo Behind, USGS, NOAA, etc(though some may be interferred with via NASA). Now, the last most important piece (in my opinion) that is more revealing than anything is if there are actual changes to the other planets, as proclaimed by Wilcock. If anyone could provide me links that will allow for access to this planetary/solar system data, that would be greatly appreciated. This will remove what is called Global Warming to Solar System Warming (if you will). This then opens up the following questions; "What is causing it?" Is it our sun?.....What's to come?

The Haiti incident rather triggered naturally, cosmically, or man-made, "has occurred", meaning something is afoot. The question is; "Is this it, or is there more to come?" Again, regardless of trigger point.

The more I can connect the dots with the physical proof I can verify my self and not outside of me sources, the more I can be "certain". The current Sun cycle and activity in itself is curious enough, then when we add supporting data such as an increase in earthquakes and intensity and such videos like this one from another thread http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8POHk...layer_embedded, you have to realistically ponder "What is going on?"

As I stated in my previous post,

Sometimes you are being told the same information from different sources so often, that "something" about the information is true.

In a nutshell, if I may...Perhaps we should not discredit information that cannot be proven, unless we have the proof to discredit it.

[NorthernSanctuary]

I thought there were NASA references related to solar system warming, and related to the SUN for a few years now. For example:
http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/06/n...lanet-warming/

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sci...al_warming.htm

There is supporting evidence of Px in different ways, ultimately leading to its sighting:

Zetatalk says the following is real:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW4L5hoS5mI

There was a proof of conspiracy to hide planet X by blocking the associated area in Google Earth Sky here:
http://gazbom.blogspot.com/2009/10/n...-proof-of.html

[NorthernSanctuary]

I was curious to get an idea of how fast a comet can travel. The following site:

http://www.eaae-astro.org/eaae/newsl4/hb.htm

indicates one example of 200,000 km/hr. One AU=149.6 million km. Assuming a direct path into the solar system, this gives about 31 days or approximately a month per AU distance. The site:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_k9h...layer_embedded

gives a present distance of Px at around 10 AU, so this would mean about a year for it to reach the inner solar system, in the 2011 timeframe.

If it is around 50 AU or more as stated above, it will be many years, beyond 2012 to come in.