A message to the doom and gloomers

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by clarkkent

seashore here's a quote regarding kerry's "light warriors"


"The bottom line is we are facing an invasion of the planet (it's been going on a long time) and we need to take the planet back... and to do so we need an army of light workers fully developed. It's a battle for hearts and minds (and souls). It's all about consciousness.

Anyone submitting ideas or volunteering skillsets put OBIWAN in the subject line.

We are the Resistance!

Blessings,

Kerry

Thank you.

I interpret her message as being a focus on our consciousness - not eradicating bad guys.

[clarkkent]

Originally Posted by Seashore

Thank you.

I interpret her message as being a focus on our consciousness - not eradicating bad guys.

i see what your saying , but its all about "consciousness" and inner work then why frame it in conflict with an invading army from outerspace? again, she wants to be uber consciouss but what does that even mean when she cant hold her ego in check during an interview and cant have common courtesy to let others speak before she walks all over peoples points of view with a smug attittude.

its annoying because just when there might be some interesting info in an interview about ET's if it doesnt line up with kerry's "invasion/resistance" scenario she skips over it into something that fits her view.

do you see what im saying? whats the point of learning to remote view to fight supposed reptillians when you cant even be a respectful person not full of arrogance and smugness?

kerry is so mired in her imagined role against alien invaders that following her down any vague "consciousness" path would seem as fruitful as following paris hilton in an "anti superficial" movement. in other words-pointless.

i also shy away from "leaders" "followers" and "groups" i cant even go to a big concert because of the worshipful overtones, it just wigs me out.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by clarkkent

i see what your saying , but its all about "consciousness" and inner work then why frame it in conflict with an invading army from outerspace? again, she wants to be uber consciouss but what does that even mean when she cant hold her ego in check during an interview and cant have common courtesy to let others speak before she walks all over peoples points of view with a smug attittude.

its annoying because just when there might be some interesting info in an interview about ET's if it doesnt line up with kerry's "invasion/resistance" scenario she skips over it into something that fits her view.

do you see what im saying? whats the point of learning to remote view to fight supposed reptillians when you cant even be a respectful person not full of arrogance and smugness?

kerry is so mired in her imagined role against alien invaders that following her down any vague "consciousness" path would seem as fruitful as following paris hilton in an "anti superficial" movement. in other words-pointless.

i also shy away from "leaders" "followers" and "groups" i cant even go to a big concert because of the worshipful overtones, it just wigs me out.

Yes, I do see what you're saying and I'm very glad this is being brought to my attention.

Looking back on it I remember thinking to myself that directing the public to learn remote viewing is probably not what we should be focusing on - too esoteric and we need to simply take responsibility for ourselves, that's all...

I also have never been comfortable with the term "warrior," but I just accepted it as something that might be motivational for new people seeking solutions...

[lindabaker]

If I'm not mistaken, the term spiritual warrior has ancient beginnings. It's not just about jedi warriors and all of that. A spiritual warrior is one who recognizes that personal power comes from overcoming a war within one's self. A war for correct thinking, correct action. There are probably other folks in the forum who can further explain the term, but I'll try. As a spiritual warrior, one is constantly aware of outside influences or automatic responses that keep one from the true spiritual path, the positive one. For example, the warrior must not make assumptions, the warrior must not take things personally: as no one does anything because of you. Everyone is part of the collective consciousness, "the dream" and the warrior can step outside of this, be objective, and relinquish the parts of the dream that are holding him/her back or causing negative action. Success comes from right action based on winning the personal war, taking one's own power back.

[lindabaker]

Gary Van Warmerdam defines spiritual warrior this way:

"The quest of a Spiritual Warrior is for Personal Freedom. Personal Freedom means freedom from fear, illusions, and the fear based beliefs in the mind. In essence it means to win the war over the beliefs in the mind. It is with Personal Freedom that we are free of the human condition of emotional suffering. Spiritual traditions around the world have their own names for this state of awareness including nirvana and heaven. It is a state that is simply described as living your life with unconditional love, gratitude, and respect, for your self, and for others."

[giovonni]

Originally Posted by lindabaker

If I'm not mistaken, the term spiritual warrior has ancient beginnings. It's not just about jedi warriors and all of that. A spiritual warrior is one who recognizes that personal power comes from overcoming a war within one's self. A war for correct thinking, correct action. There are probably other folks in the forum who can further explain the term, but I'll try. As a spiritual warrior, one is constantly aware of outside influences or automatic responses that keep one from the true spiritual path, the positive one. For example, the warrior must not make assumptions, the warrior must not take things personally: as no one does anything because of you. Everyone is part of the collective consciousness, "the dream" and the warrior can step outside of this, be objective, and relinquish the parts of the dream that are holding him/her back or causing negative action. Success comes from right action based on winning the personal war, taking one's own power back.

Simply well stated~ LB

[clarkkent]

working on your inner self and being balanced is great, i would never disparage that.

but i do take exception that she wants to form a group with that moniker in order to learn how to remote view to "take back" "our" planet, from alien invaders.

its funny how materialistic and un "spiritual" that sentence is. nothing is "ours" and fighting to own anything is what lands our species in the muck were in. besides reptiles were here before us, so if dinosaurs came in big ships wanting the planet back what would kerry do? she needs to get beyond her materialstic/conflict based way of thinking.

id rather kerry work on her own problems and not train a group to develop mind powers, and ill also point out that very group she rails against (the illuminatti/masons) do much the same thing seeking "enlightenment" and "mind expansion" and developing superhuman powers in elite groups, meanwhile no one seeks to develop how to get along with our fellow man.

[burgundia]

Another excellent post^^^

[lindabaker]

Clark: Are you saying that you think the purpose of PLW is to simply teach remote viewing in order to take the planet back from alien invaders? If so, I think you are not aware a of bigger picture and a larger goal. Remote viewing is one small "tool." Some care to learn about it, others do not. There will be many topics that are of interest to you, and some that are not. To dismiss the entire project based on one tiny sliver of information about one particular tool is not giving it a fair chance. How about contributing what you think will be useful? I'm not being a smartmouth here. You must have a lot to offer, or you wouldn't be engaged in this conversation, right? I see that you are 33 years old, old enough to have gathered a lot of insights...go for it, man!

[clarkkent]

Originally Posted by lindabaker

Clark: Are you saying that you think the purpose of PLW is to simply teach remote viewing in order to take the planet back from alien invaders? If so, I think you are not aware a of bigger picture and a larger goal. Remote viewing is one small "tool." Some care to learn about it, others do not. There will be many topics that are of interest to you, and some that are not. To dismiss the entire project based on one tiny sliver of information about one particular tool is not giving it a fair chance. How about contributing what you think will be useful? I'm not being a smartmouth here. You must have a lot to offer, or you wouldn't be engaged in this conversation, right? I see that you are 33 years old, old enough to have gathered a lot of insights...go for it, man!

im not disparaging people meditating or working on themselves.

im simply bringing to the fore that someone with good intentions (kerry) is very much mired in a materialistic dualistic conflict based viewpoint with her ego leading the way.

im trying to highlight major discrepancies with forming a group with conflict and an end goal of "taking back the planet" from alien invaders. no one seems to be addressing kerry's reasons for forming the group and people seem to arguing that whats wrong with working on your inner issues etc like thats what im criticizing , im not.

im highlighting the fact that her ego is are notable for someone so 'consciouss and spiritual' and that the words used for forming the group include-

-warrior, resistance, invasion, we need an army etc etc

to me this seems wrong headed and at odds with a balanced "spiritual" perspective. che guevara and john conner are archtypes based in conflict, good vs bad , eye for eye.

its good to have the right intentions but as they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. i dont believe she has a very wise or mature standpoint and is prone to believing every alarmist gloom and doom disinfo that comes down the pike.

the only solution im offering is that look at these details and maybe you can actually do more good by not joining any kind of "army" ever, not following leaders, not being part of little exclusive groups. all these things are out of a dualistic conflict , follower/leader , victim/oppressor mindset.

thats what im offering.

-clark

http://superstrangeland.blogspot.com/

[lindabaker]

Clark: you have valid points about dualistic conflict. Perhaps we should ask Kerry as to what, exactly, in her direct experience, causes her to use those terms. We should not assume anything here. The words "army" and "invasion" may have been a metaphor, but, maybe not. I have asked Kerry if I could interview her. Wouldn't it be interesting to ask what experiences have caused her to use the exact verbiage that she did? I'm sure both Bill and Kerry are holding back information that they truly wish they could provide to us. I will hold back from being critical until we get more definitive info from both of them. This may take some time.

[sjkted]

Originally Posted by lindabaker

Clark: you have valid points about dualistic conflict. Perhaps we should ask Kerry as to what, exactly, in her direct experience, causes her to use those terms. We should not assume anything here. The words "army" and "invasion" may have been a metaphor, but, maybe not. I have asked Kerry if I could interview her. Wouldn't it be interesting to ask what experiences have caused her to use the exact verbiage that she did? I'm sure both Bill and Kerry are holding back information that they truly wish they could provide to us. I will hold back from being critical until we get more definitive info from both of them. This may take some time.

Why would they be holding back information? Are you suggesting someone is forcing their hand?

--sjkted

[truth and integrity]

clarkkent,

How refreshing your posts are. It is so important that we break free from a beehive mentality. I agree that we need to become leaders rather than passive followers of any school of thoughts. I do my chore, question everything and trust my intuition.

Best regards,

[2rivers]

What I sense in Kerry is fear. She has heard too much in too short of time. It would seem she has had her foundations severely shaken. Maybe she's on overload. Maybe she needs a break from the intensity. Who has walked in her shoes?

I have been reading the interviews for almost 6 months and still haven't made it through. I fight fear, anger, shock and depression on a daily basis. I have to walk away from this stuff back into my world and FUNCTION. I need time to process and if I take in too much at once I get thoroughly, emotionally overwhelmed. I am not a young person and to finally have confirmation of what I have believed my entire life is none the less astounding....and quite frankly terrifying. It's all way more than I ever imagined in my worst nightmare. One does not, I think, experience a paradigm shift of this magnitude easily. Maybe the younger people have lived with it and naturally accept this information, but for me it brings profound sadness. I don't like being deceived...not one bit.

The gentleman in the first post is ultimately correct. Go out and just do--anything. And send Kerry some strong, stable, grounding and protected loving energy. I'll bet she could use the support.

[Soulcrafter]

Originally Posted by 2rivers

What I sense in Kerry is fear. She has heard too much in too short of time. It would seem she has had her foundations severely shaken. Maybe she's on overload. Maybe she needs a break from the intensity. Who has walked in her shoes?

I have been reading the interviews for almost 6 months and still haven't made it through. I fight fear, anger, shock and depression on a daily basis. I have to walk away from this stuff back into my world and FUNCTION. I need time to process and if I take in too much at once I get thoroughly, emotionally overwhelmed. I am not a young person and to finally have confirmation of what I have believed my entire life is none the less astounding....and quite frankly terrifying. It's all way more than I ever imagined in my worst nightmare. One does not, I think, experience a paradigm shift of this magnitude easily. Maybe the younger people have lived with it and naturally accept this information, but for me it brings profound sadness. I don't like being deceived...not one bit.

The gentleman in the first post is ultimately correct. Go out and just do--anything. And send Kerry some strong, stable, grounding and protected loving energy. I'll bet she could use the support.

Wow, you seem to have super senses, can you tell me how i feel at the moment? I've been following the PC information from the beginning and i never felt fear. I felt enlighted and some of my questions got answered. The truth will set you free, but maybe that's not the case for some. Not everyone can handle this kind of information. I've seen what it can do to people and you described that very well. No offense but mirroring your thoughts and feelings upon others won't make it any better.

[Brinty]

Originally Posted by 2rivers

What I sense in Kerry is fear. She has heard too much in too short of time. It would seem she has had her foundations severely shaken. Maybe she's on overload. Maybe she needs a break from the intensity. Who has walked in her shoes?

I have been reading the interviews for almost 6 months and still haven't made it through. I fight fear, anger, shock and depression on a daily basis. I have to walk away from this stuff back into my world and FUNCTION. I need time to process and if I take in too much at once I get thoroughly, emotionally overwhelmed. I am not a young person and to finally have confirmation of what I have believed my entire life is none the less astounding....and quite frankly terrifying. It's all way more than I ever imagined in my worst nightmare. One does not, I think, experience a paradigm shift of this magnitude easily. Maybe the younger people have lived with it and naturally accept this information, but for me it brings profound sadness. I don't like being deceived...not one bit.

The gentleman in the first post is ultimately correct. Go out and just do--anything. And send Kerry some strong, stable, grounding and protected loving energy. I'll bet she could use the support.

Hang in there 2rivers. I know it's a cliche, but things seldom turn out to be as bad as we imagine they will be. Our imagination can cause us to perform wondrous things - but it can also destroy us.

It is not possible to walk in someone else’s shoes but with a lifetime’s experience of living with fear of some sort or another, it is easier to understand that yes, some folk do have serious fears which may seem trivial or not understandable to others. Many fears are irrational but that doesn’t make them any the less real.

I can’t handle heights like tall buildings, yet I have no qualms about flying. As a child of four years, I was pulled from the bottom of a pool and resuscitated and even now I can’t handle having my head under water. I’m scared witless in a confined space to the extent that I can’t even wear a full face helmet. I’ve always got to have moving air around my face or else I start to unravel.

The one thing I have learned is that all the good meaning explanations do no good to quell the feeling of panic that overtakes one when a panic attack occurs. Fear is something that you have to conquer yourself a bit like breaking an addiction habit. You have to really want to do it.

The reason for many fears can be traced back to what was drummed into you as a child. I think all of us experience fear of the dark which is probably a distant memory of cavemen days when wild animals or other tribes could attack under cover of darkness. In more modern times, horror movies and the like, coupled with sadistic brothers or sisters who liked nothing better than to scare you half to death, are the cause of many fears.

We are coming to the time now when the more enlightened of us can shine a light of comfort for the nervous ones. It has been suggested that we are coming to a time where untold numbers of us are going to die in some calamity. It pays to stop at this point and do a bit of rational thinking about death.

There are enough books available written by people who have had near death experiences and have ‘seen past’ the veil of what is called death. Death is something that can’t be avoided so it strikes me as being sensible to find out as much about it as possible and who better to listen to than someone who has ‘been there, done that’ so to speak.

Now a person in this lifetime, can only die once - so from an individual’s point of view, what does it matter if in a catastrophe, one person dies, or one billion? OK, the customs people at the Pearly Gates are going to pretty busy in the latter event.

The big question of, “is there life after death?”, can be answered once again by reading books on the subject. Life, as you know it, in a physical form is out - after death you will survive as an intelligence without a physical body. You don’t have to believe this now, but you will believe it after you die because you just won’t be able to ignore the fact.

To those who fear death, my message is that you should learn to accept the inevitable and to help you in this direction, read books about the death experience and what comes after it. I would suggest starting with Into The Light by John Lerma, M.D. followed by Between Death And Life by Dolores Cannon. Both these books are comforting reads as I’m sure others who have read them will agree. Check them out at this website - just enter the author's name and the book title - http://www.abebooks.com/?cm_ven=ggl&...FSaXhgodCzIPsg

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[Kulapops]

Deep Gravelly Cinematic Voice:

Fear !! It knows you're alone !

I've posted a thread somewhere about this... too long ago to remember the exact ins and outs... but it occured to me that eventually there is too much to worry about. Negative ETs, FEMA camps, Planet X, Illuminati plans, swine flu, yada, yada, erm, going grey?!

This then struck me as suspicicous. It can't all happen ! lol... what a day that would turn out to be.

Then it seems to me, we just invest in that state of mind because there is some kind of pay-off to it. Generally this involves living in the future now, and not living in the now-now, which means getting up off your butt and doing something with your life.

Having just watched 'What the Bleep' yesterday, (is there a thread somewhere here on that? I'd like to comment...) I can now also see that there is a chemical payoff to that state of mind. Just like indulging in chocolate or looking at pictures of fairly naked women advertising chocolate. (ahem). Or bullying someone, or being mean, or gossiping.

Or anticipating that the Xargon of Grath is going to pull your adenoids out through your sphincter. Mm. Yum Yum

Once we see the whole fear thing as a state of mind, you come to realise that NONE OF IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. At least not in the way your mind thinks it will right now. Doesn't mean bad things won't happen to us at some point. I mean I will probably stand on a garden rake again at some point in my life. But the pain generated from actual harm is different from the one caused by worrying about pseudo harm. This is not constructive nor useful.

So we really can be happy, be one... and enjoy this moment. Because that's all there is. go running into the future... and your mind will miss the party happening now.

Thanks for the thread Brinty ! Clark, you are as always a great read on this site. Nice to have you back.

I better put those pictures away now.....

[Brinty]

Originally Posted by Kulapops

... but it occured to me that eventually there is too much to worry about. Negative ETs, FEMA camps, Planet X, Illuminati plans, swine flu, yada, yada, erm, going grey?!

This then struck me as suspicicous. It can't all happen ! lol... what a day that would turn out to be.

Oh you are so right Kulapops if only we all concentrated on the pleasant things that could happen to us like not having to mow the lawn every week, finding a money tree in the back yard, eating all the chocolate you like, never having to diet, finding a 'stay young' pill, being surrounded by half naked ladies. Oh the list could go on and on. Um, why stop at half naked, why not go the full monty?

All the above are about as possible as the negative fears but much more pleasant to contemplate. Care for another chocolate? Help yourself.

[burgundia]

Originally Posted by Brinty

pill, being surrounded by half naked ladies. Oh the list could go on and on. Um, why stop at half naked, why not go the full monty?

And what does your wife think about it?

[Brinty]

Originally Posted by burgundia

And what does your wife think about it?

She stays in her own fantasy world and leaves me in mine because she knows I usually fall asleep before the excitement happens.

[illuminate]

Originally Posted by Kulapops

Deep Gravelly Cinematic Voice:
Fear !! It knows you're alone !
...
This then struck me as suspicicous. It can't all happen ! lol... what a day that would turn out to be.
...
Or anticipating that the Xargon of Grath is going to pull your adenoids out through your sphincter. Mm. Yum Yum

LOL, your SO funny!!!
THX, laughing is one of my most FAVORITE things to do

Originally Posted by Kulapops

Having just watched 'What the Bleep'

GREAT flick, check it out!

Originally Posted by Kulapops

So we really can be happy, be one... and enjoy this moment.

EXACTLY!!!! why take the ride if your not going to ENJOY it???
I like the way you think! cheers to you! cheers to us all!

~ one love ~

[Kulapops]

Originally Posted by illuminate

[COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]LOL, your SO funny!!!

~ one love ~

I'm going to put that on a wall somewhere

Thanks for making my day too.


It is sooo nice... when we just hit the right moment don't you think ? the right point of the wave, the perfect stroke of the shaving brush, saying just the right thing to make someone feel happy , or laugh.

Me and my friend used to have a game called 'nose bubbles' and the idea of that game would be to say something unexpectedlly to make the other person laugh, if they were drinking anything, laugh so much that the bubbles came out their nose!

Ok, maybe that sounds gross, but the moment was wonderful, to laugh so hard that you could almost not stand. Those moments of catching each other out came months apart, but boy did we enjoy them when they happened.

I think this forum is a little like that, so is life.

Enjoying those perfect moments. Thanks Illuminate, for giving me such a buzz.

Thanks Brinty for this thread... we need so many more like this. You're right, there are so many great things to hope for, with this biobody...why waste a life and a focus dreaming up horrible stuff to lose sleep over? Especially when there is currently nothing (major) to worry about.

[sjkted]

Originally Posted by clarkkent

id rather kerry work on her own problems and not train a group to develop mind powers, and ill also point out that very group she rails against (the illuminatti/masons) do much the same thing seeking "enlightenment" and "mind expansion" and developing superhuman powers in elite groups, meanwhile no one seeks to develop how to get along with our fellow man.

Bingo. If we were to become such a group, how would we be any different? Oh yeah, of course, we would be the good guys

--sjkted

[sjkted]

Brinty: Thanks for bringing this up.

This is exactly what I was getting at on my thread at http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18802

We have some major issues in the "truth" movement that are bigger than just plain old disinformation.

I have a word I'm going to use for this because the issue with the ETs influencing the planet is something that may have some validity, but it is a redirect.

A redirect is when you give someone a partial truth in order to get them to focus their energy (time, resources, money) on something that is completely irrelevant.

My take is the ET issue is way in left field. Yes, there may be an ET issue. Yes, some may have some influence on the planet.

But, the big big picture is us people and what we are doing to each other. That is the real news. That's the important thing.

Whatever comes out about ETs is just entertainment and is nothing but a redirect.

--sjkted