Disclosure Endgame

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by quetzalcoatl11

Soulcrafter and trainedobserver, I'm curious whether either of you have anything that can confirm or backup or your statements here or whether they are just your gut feeling? Education would require knowledge from somewhere, could either of you please elaborate/elucidate?

I think it is pretty much covered in the SNOW CIRCLES thread where we had two confessed circle makers lay it all out with numerous references and video resources.

The short version is this. All complex crop circles are made by humans. It has been shown that the various 'anomalous phenomena' associated with 'genuine' crop circles are also found in known human created crop circles. The crop circle phenomena is some sort of strange social phenomena rather than a paranormal one. Crop circle makers have demonstrated how to detect that crop circles are man made and the steps necessary to construct them. Not everyone will accept this I understand.

The truth is anyone who uses messages decoded from Crop Circles to support their theories is on very shaky ground. As is anyone who takes positions of 'extreme interpretation' of events like Hale-Bopp or the Norway Spiral. We should exercise caution.

[quetzalcoatl11]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

I think it is pretty much covered in the SNOW CIRCLES thread where we had two confessed circle makers lay it all out with numerous references and video resources.

The short version is this. All complex crop circles are made by humans. It has been shown that the various 'anomalous phenomena' associated with 'genuine' crop circles are also found in known human created crop circles. The crop circle phenomena is some sort of strange social phenomena rather than a paranormal one. Crop circle makers have demonstrated how to detect that crop circles are man made and the steps necessary to construct them. Not everyone will accept this I understand.

The truth is anyone who uses messages decoded from Crop Circles to support their theories is on very shaky ground. As is anyone who takes positions of 'extreme interpretation' of events like Hale-Bopp or the Norway Spiral. We should exercise caution.

Okay, I should let you know that the first warning I read in your reply was that ALL crop circles are made by humans. You are aware that crop circles were around long before the 20th century? And long before they were a social phenomena in our connected 'Global Village'? If so, how do you account for all crop circles as man-made hoaxes and the result of a social phenomenon? How can you, or anybody for that matter, conclusively make an all or nothing statement such as that? I find it amusing but slightly disturbing to know that you are taking the accounts of two individuals as the basis for making such a broad and sweeping generalization.

The second warning I read in your reply was when you used words such as "extreme interpretation," and "We should exercise caution." I agree, yes we should exercise caution, which is why when you suggest that a generalized statement such as 'all crop circles are man-made hoaxes,' and then go on to provide confirmation of this generalization by providing the statements of only two individuals I grow wary of how you, yourself, are exercising caution in your own judgement and statements. Anytime one feigns to be an authority on any matter and state generalizations as an absolute and utter fact usually reflects that some more searching is necessary. The more you learn, the more you realize the less you know, and the more open you become- not the opposite.

[Soulcrafter]

Originally Posted by quetzalcoatl11

Okay, I should let you know that the first warning I read in your reply was that ALL crop circles are made by humans. You are aware that crop circles were around long before the 20th century? And long before they were a social phenomena in our connected 'Global Village'? If so, how do you account for all crop circles as man-made hoaxes and the result of a social phenomenon?

Humans existed also long before the 20th century didn't they?
Why would one think they didn't also had the idea of making simple circles or complex ones in their fields. Druids also made circles in fields to have seances in them. There are also accounts of pagan groups who did the same to honor nature in those circles.