SNOW CIRCLES ...instead of CROP CIRCLES

[skysurfer]

Originally Posted by Soulcrafter

He has been catched as a faker on dutch tv.
But sadly enough the show was kinda popular they kept inviting him.
Mainstream media, what else did you expect.

Look it up it's all over the internet.

http://www.randi.org/jr/2006-01/010606netherlands.html

I suppose you don't understand dutch so get a translator and see for yourself.

http://www.skepsis.nl/wonderman.html
http://www.skepsis.nl/robbertvandenbroeke.html

18 threads full of evidence he is playing people's minds.
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/799978/1/25

As long as he doesn't sell video's etc people can't drag him into court for confession.

In fact there was a small article in the dutch newspapers where a farmer catched him and his father making circles at night but again the article never made the internet.
I got this from Nancy Talbott herself when i worked as webdesigner for the BLT site years ago.

A few years back the same occured with the so called psychic medium Jomanda.
Eventually she had to come out with the truth that she misled people in order to sell books.

Thanks for the links Soulcrafter - I had seen most before but was able to get the drift even with the rubbish translation Google gives you!
Yes as I said, there are many questions to be answered about RVDB.

But this bit particularly interested me:
"In fact there was a small article in the dutch newspapers where a farmer catched him and his father making circles at night but again the article never made the internet.
I got this from Nancy Talbott herself when i worked as webdesigner for the BLT site years ago."

Don't suppose anyone has a photo of this article? Or the name of the newspaper? If it was true surely somebody would have followed it up by now?

Presumably you are saying Nancy Talbott knew of this allegation but believed it was inaccurate - or are you saying she knew they were hoaxers?
Please tell us why you left as her web designer and any background in relation to the RVDB case. Thanks

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by Soulcrafter

Thx for your input Trainedobserver. What kept you interested in the UFO phenomena? Did you manage to hold on to some of the 'genuine' cases or some of your own experience in this field?

Richard Dolan's and Jacques Vallee's work have kept me interested and given me some ...hope if you will. I've never seen a UFO myself or had any real 'experience' myself.

I think the Allagash Abductions and the Rendlesham Forest incident, among others, are genuine. What is really going on in even the strongest cases is really an unknown though.

[Soulcrafter]

Don't suppose anyone has a photo of this article? Or the name of the newspaper? If it was true surely somebody would have followed it up by now?

I can only tell what Nancy T. told me back then.
I worked about 6 months or so for her and after she treated me in a quite nasty way i decided to quit working for her.

Presumably you are saying Nancy Talbott knew of this allegation but believed it was inaccurate - or are you saying she knew they were hoaxers?
Please tell us why you left as her web designer and any background in relation to the RVDB case.

She knew about this allegation and didn't stated what she thought about it.
It was just mentioned while we were on the phone talking about webdesign business.

I don't remember if she said the name and the date of the newspaperarticle and i don't think she would give it to me if i mailed her now to ask what the name was and when it was published.

Surely the article would still exist in the archives of the newspaper.

I hope this answer is satisfying to you. I'll try via via to get a hold of the name and date of the article.

[Soulcrafter]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

Richard Dolan's and Jacques Vallee's work have kept me interested and given me some ...hope if you will. I've never seen a UFO myself or had any real 'experience' myself.

I think the Allagash Abductions and the Rendlesham Forest incident, among others, are genuine. What is really going on in even the strongest cases is really an unknown though.

I've not really researched the cases you named, surely i've heard about them.
I've had one UFO encounter which was documented by me and another witness in 2005. Maybe i'll post it one day. I've had a few weird experiences but i can't surely tell what it exactly was. Experiencing stuff doesn't always mean you are able to understand and explain what really happened.

[skysurfer]

Thanks so much Soulcrafter. The name of the newspaper and a date would be very useful in chasing this one up.

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by Soulcrafter

I've not really researched the cases you named, surely i've heard about them.
I've had one UFO encounter which was documented by me and another witness in 2005. Maybe i'll post it one day. I've had a few weird experiences but i can't surely tell what it exactly was. Experiencing stuff doesn't always mean you are able to understand and explain what really happened.

I would certainly be interested in hearing about your sighting. You're right about experiencing things though. It is compounded by the fact that we cannot really experience anything directly (we are insulated/isolated by our senses and brain/mind system) we are only left with whatever version of our sensory input that our individual brains choose to manifest in the mind. That is why two people can witness the same event and come away with totally different experiences.

On a side note, I once came out of the house at five in the morning to pick up the paper. I had been reading about a triangle UFO flap the day before. As I looked up into the dark morning sky I saw a massive triangular formation of lights slowly making its way over the street toward me. I froze like a deer in headlights. For several seconds I was completely astonished. An amazing and delightful sensation. Then several of the lights broke formation and returned to it. I noticed that neither line of lights were perfectly aligned. As the formation passed directly overhead I realized what it was. A flight of birds whose bellies were reflecting the rising sun. I chuckled, snatched up the paper, and went back in the house. (please be aware that I AM NOT saying that other triangles of lights someone else may have seen were birds as well)

The most compelling evidence for UFOs, in my opinion, is the mountain of genuine FOIA documents that indicate the governments extreme interest in the subject and their efforts to control information about UFOs at all costs.

Crop circles ... I think the government had those sussed out some time ago seeing as they happily prosecute the true circle makers. Their interest or involvement in circles can only be seen as another effort to divert attention from genuine UFO phenomena ... in my opinion of course. Your mileage may vary.

This thread about snow and crop circles has me wanting to attempt to construct one myself. However, as I live in the U.S. where every other person is packing heat, and most certainly farmers are, and where people are shot and killed over smaller things than trampling someones crops, I am shall we say ... feeling a bit inhibited from doing so.

PEACE, LOVE, and all that jazz people!

[371]

Thanks for your overview, which relates to most crop circles in general.

I wasn't clear enough in my post, I meant those specific CCs that I posted pics of. Man made wasn't what I was talking about. Nevermind though. What's done is done.


BTW- I am the one was out of line, NOT nykki. Funny though that no one had the guts to accept her challenge. But that is over now, and I will drop it.

I am done with this thread, in the spirit of ending conflict within it.

I take nothing back.

[Soulcrafter]

Originally Posted by 371

Thanks for your overview, which relates to most crop circles in general.

I wasn't clear enough in my post, I meant those specific CCs that I posted pics of. Man made wasn't what I was talking about. Nevermind though. What's done is done.


BTW- I am the one was out of line, NOT nykki. Funny though that no one had the guts to accept her challenge. But that is over now, and I will drop it.

I am done with this thread, in the spirit of ending conflict within it.

I take nothing back.

Hang on, did we miss something?
Don't be upset please.
Reform your question maybe?

You have to understand giving names won't solve anything.
That is not where the problem is.

So come back, don't make me beg here

[Soulcrafter]

@ 371

Wrong, MOST- but not all.

Which ones do you think are genuine?
The 2 formations you posted?

This guy says he knows everyone who has made every cropcircle in the UK. Okay, names is a stretch. Details then.

What details will make you satisfied?

My point is- this guy is talking out is a$$ and he knows it. Wants to feel important. ARMCHAIR EXPERT.

Prove him otherwise then, go on.

[Soulcrafter]

Originally Posted by Nykki

Edit by Nykki

This ain't making it easier. Why did you re-edit (deleted) your post?
Have you changed your mind? If so, for what reason?

[Northern Boy]

Soulcrafter this was part of the original post that was deleted as you can see It appears to me to have been out of line with what the original topic that some members here were talking about so 371s explanation about Nicki not being out of line may be a bit exaggerated Or there would have been no reason to delete her posts

Originally Posted by Nikki

So, here's the BET. Your SOUL is on the Line HERE. You have to prove, some how that you know who and why these C.C. are made. You have 24 hours. Then I WILL SHOW YOU who made them and why. MY prize is your SOUL.
OR, simply bow out. The choice is yours. Write down what your choice is.

FYI, don't post your Picture on the net. (if you're going to be stupid)
Probably should be careful of what you disrespect next time.

[371]

Stop.

[Soulcrafter]

Originally Posted by Northern Boy

Soulcrafter this was part of the original post that was deleted as you can see It appears to me to have been out of line with what the original topic that some members here were talking about so 371s explanation about Nicki not being out of line may be a bit exaggerated Or there would have been no reason to delete her posts

Originally Posted by Nikki

Ok thx for that, you know i didn't even had the chance to read her post.
So it must have been happening in a very short time.
I'm not online 24 hours.
Now i understand. Let's move on.

[trainedobserver]

So, here's the BET. Your SOUL is on the Line HERE. You have to prove, some how that you know who and why these C.C. are made. You have 24 hours. Then I WILL SHOW YOU who made them and why. MY prize is your SOUL.
OR, simply bow out. The choice is yours. Write down what your choice is.

That's pretty ridiculous. Besides no one is going to admit to committing the crime of creating an illegal crop circle.

[Soulcrafter]

Originally Posted by 371

Stop.

Stop what? Come on, the less words the less others will understand what we are discussing about.

[371]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

That's pretty ridiculous. Besides no one is going to admit to committing the crime of creating an illegal crop circle.

Pretty simple answer when no MAN made those.

No one had the balls to take her up on her challenge, anyway.



Just stop, please. End this here with me, and let it go.

[Soulcrafter]

Pretty simple answer when no MAN made those.

No one had the balls to take her up on her challenge, anyway.

Gosh, i don't feel like repeating myself over and over here.
Nikki her post looked quite off topic to me, i'm sure no one really was offended by her post.
There are other ways to make a statement or ask questions.

Just stop, please. End this here with me, and let it go.

Why do you keep coming back? I wonder...

[THE eXchanger]

in the one, she said had 3 aspects,
we saw over 9 things in it,
and, it then expanded to 13 thingst

on the other one - again, we will ask

will someone help us, to do something simple

like put #'s on the circles

and, then, we will record a response

(if someone via telephone, can walk us through

how to record a movie, off our laptop)

and, how to store it,

and, how to upload it !!!

We think we have a very pivotal answer

we figured out part of windows movie maker

if we had, what we need - we could upload things ~ and, introduce you all

to something ~ we think is profound

(if there is someone in the miss/on area ~ that could come here,
and, teach us a few things ~ related to doing this
we've got a lot of stuff here ~ that could be shared)


thank you / susan

[THE eXchanger]

in post # 111 - we offered, before challenged ~ and, we offered quite a few times
(no one, seems interested, in helping us)

and, in post #123
- we asked for what we needed, in order,
to give info to prove a theory

we already have 'filled in the blanks'

we are just tired, of giving people info privately

and, NEVER getting any thanks back !!!

so, tell me,
WHY is all the fighting going on ???

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by 371

Pretty simple answer when no MAN made those.
No one had the balls to take her up on her challenge, anyway.
Just stop, please. End this here with me, and let it go.

These, were NOT man-made, at least, not by earth men

We had balls, before she even posted

i would like to do a radio show on this ~ but, i need help

to assemble things ~ could someone help !!!

and, do
what we appealed to someone to do,
in post # 123

where we gave simple
1-3 4-6 to 7A
8a-9a - 10/11/12/13
11/10/9/8/7/6/5/4
3
2
1
instructions

We have worked on this theory, for over 33 years

AND, ASKED FOR PROOF - cause we didn't want to get SNOWED

(pardon the pun)

it was amasing when it showed up in the snow circles

We do NEED some help !!!

Where is the TEAM ???

[TRANCOSO]

Nice one, Nykki, but as we've been told in this thread by at least 2 distinguished members of this forum, they are all man-made by a group of anonimous (invisible?) artists.
Never in the past 15 years have they been 'caught in the act', betrayed by jealous colleagues or otherwise exposed as the driving force behind this mystery.
Also, the $ 1.000.000 (one million!) reward by a Rockefeller Foundation, for anybody who is able to produce or copy a complex crop formation, in the middle of a pitchblack night, within a timeframe of 1 hour, is still available. I find that remarkable, to say the least, but perhaps the Lords of the Circles are a bunch of (bored) rich kids to whom a million $ is small change.

It would be nice if 'The Circlemaker(s)' could show us an image of a formation they're going to produce in the first week of June 2010, somewhere in Wiltshire. In that case we know on June 8, 2010, if their claims are true or false.

Perhaps Trainedobserver, who seems to be quite close to the Circle Lords, could pass on this request.

I wonder what excuse they're going to produce this time, for not responding to this challenge.

[THE eXchanger]

YOU took it down, before, i actually printed it

or saved; the larger copy of it ???

if someone with some artistic flare

could label it - i could describe, what i am seeing !!!

YOU KNOW WHAT, i am going to call the webmaster
of the site, it is on, see if they will help me !!!

[Northern Boy]

We called ourselves SMURFS before this years C.C. We always said we lived in the mushrooms. A Mushroom came up this year. With a Star Chart.
Anyways, your guys TC. I need to go to sleep. The world is going to be a different place when I get back up.

.

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by Northern Boy

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PERIOD...a TYME of THE MONTH ???

CAN anyone help label up the circle, as requested ???

[TRANCOSO]

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