Cliff High view on Bill Ryans accusations

[truth and integrity]

Meanwhile, Clif's reason for escalating this issue publicly was - I'm as sure as I can be - an excuse to raise the profile of his allegations against Bill Deagle. So I will not be wrestling with him anywhere.

Welcome to the world of total insanity. It looks that Biil has a very low opinion of members of Avalon project. l

[Moxie]

Bill stepped on his d_ck.
Ouch is what I felt for him.
Dontcha hate it when that happens?

It's okay... but I do think it is warranted that he apologize more succinctly. That's what we honest folk do, we own up to our mistakes. It doesn't matter if he holds those thoughts to be true to himself... in this public forum and the premise of his b'ness, that of Camelot & Avalon, being an avenue for whistleblowers to air their words, it's not a place for his personal opinions, as he does have influence on other people. I think it was shameful for him to air the link to the manhunt site (which is now on my computer thank you very much)...
we are quite capable of discerning ... it was a case of him trying to Show us what we might not suspect... geesh...

Cliff High reports his findings from the software that he developed... which, the airing of, affects outcomes. He's been quite clear to define the parameters of his work. He has, in my view, a very honorable integrity and responded in a very respectable manner, even tho I'm certain he has much sharper vocabulary.

I'm also shocked at some of the "old timers" here lately, wtf anyway?...!!! Cannot we realize what is clearly happening... triggers... knee jerks... examine yourself...
I'm listening to me as well!

Cheers!

[YinYangMind]

This thread has been enlightening (and a bit entertaining as well!) regarding the PC regulars, community and most interestingly, Bill Ryan!

I've watched just about every interview PC has produced over the last 3 years. Some are facinating (the recent LaViolette as an example, although as in this particular interview, Kerry seems to struggle keeping up while Bill stays on track...a common theme in my views!) while others are way on the 'woo-woo' side as Clif calls it. Most posts here seem to take the most logical tack in that your gut should be your guide.

When I saw that PC interviewed Clif via phone from last year, my initial thought was that it would be great interview and add significant content to the PC library. But, alas, I was very disappointed in the questioning and apparent challenge in comprehension both Bill and particularly Kerry had with Clif's approach, research, method and logical (although very deep logic!) data he brings to the discussion. It seems the original description I found a month or so ago has been altered in that it had some 'we don't buy or understand clif's stuff' disclaimer where now it doesn't. Curious indeed!

Bill's initial post (due to some nefarious 3rd party?) and response to Clif's open letter is not only childish, but irresponsible to the PC/PA stated mission and purpose! As another post stated, 'it demonsrtates some type of ignorance/arrogance that Bill must have for the members and followers of PC/PA!' (and Bill, that hat is cool and all but its gettin old!)

It's also great to see that the 'camel-ites' have clearly spoken to what seems to be a majority feeling/sense/view that Bill has stepped in/on it and needs to get 'some balance' himself! It's obvious that there's a great deal of respect that Bill and Kerry have developed/earned over the years and it would be a shame to see it fall apart by the old adage 'one oh **** can wipe out a thousand at-a-boys!'

Burish, Deagle, Peterson, Henry and several others are causing free thinking folks to stop and spend a little extra time in the navel lint...unfortunately, we're all finding more lint than anything else! It sure doesn't help when these folks keep throwing more lint in either!

Bill, you need to come clean and get this resolved! You and/or your nefarious obfuscated 3rd party started throwing turds in the bowl and it's up to you to find the clean end and pull them out!

'Trust but Verify!'

We've seen your 'Trust', now how about some 'Verification' for a change?

YinYangMind

[dolphin]

how many more toes is bill and kerry going to step on and "**** off" their former "whistleblowers"... gees the list is growing... michael st. claire, burish, greer, and now cliff, who's next?

it's good to see people here "wake up" as franciejones stated. people aren't as gullible anymore.

[YinYangMind]

Oh yeah! Forgot to mention the very poor performance by Kerry especially with Greer! In fact, the kind of flat out skepticism they both displayed in that interview was not only a bit over the top, but something akin to that approach should have been taken with Burish, Deagle, et all!

What's this saying about PC's journalistic integrity? Are they starting to believe their own BS?

Back to the navel lint...

[petesm22]

[truth and integrity]

[How many more toes is bill and kerry going to step on and "**** off" their former "whistleblowers"... gees the list is growing... michael st. claire, burish, greer, and now cliff, who's next?

it's good to see people here "wake up" as franciejones stated. people aren't as gullible anymore.]

You can add Henry Deacon as Bill stated that they lost contact with this "troubled soul". There is a lot of judgement and name calling. As you said,people are waking up. I decided to join this forum to talk to people with open and critical mind. Maybe we are not lost.

[TOKYO ROSE]

From all the interviews on our Camelot website, I always wondered just about Dr Deagle. Its impossible to 'pin him down' as he is changing the subjects in almost every sentence.

Cliff is correct, I do not recall that Bill Ryan ever verified any of the vast spectacular allegations that Deagle vomit in every interview.

I never took Deagle seriously. Out of respect to Bill Ryan, I kept my mouth shut, as I do not have time to investigate Deagle.

However, Deagle has a lot of interesting information and leads we could investigate.(no one has done it yet)

Cliff High is VERY eloquent and far more convincing than any person I ever met/listen to. The most important thing about Cliff is his intuition which always seem to be correct. AMAZING!

Since Jeff Rense was mentioned, I will add this:
Jeff Rense is the world's most honest, informed and competent radio personality in the world.
IMHO. No one, i repeat NO ONE is even getting close to his level. Jeff Rense has proven himself to be the VERY best source of information over the internet for the last 15 years. NO ONE WORLDWIDE HAS THE SPECTACULAR SOURCES THAT JEFF HAS.
So it may be a good idea if Bill Ryan will remove this post from our website:
'An Open Letter to Jeff Rense'
http://projectcamelot.org/open_lette...eff_rense.html

Any informed person worldwide will take Jeff Rense's position over any other opinion. While I love Bill and Kerry, I would advise them to stay away from Jeff Rense and Cliff High. Jeff and Cliff are in a class by themselves above all of us, above the rest of the Internet.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

jeff rense is pretty good, so is alex jones but i dont go mad on them. they are subject to disinfo like everyone else.. jeff rense has more wacky guests on than jones( tim riffat, fullford ect) but between them they cover it pretty well. most cons[piracy stuff is bs antway. the more you stay on track the further away from the conspiracy pooh you get.

[gscraig]

Hmmm...More auditioning for the Jerry Springer show I see.

As I've always intimated, pay attention to what these internet personalities are doing outside of their claims. Are they selling something? For whom? From whom? What is it? Do they have advertisements blaring on their website? Are they charging you subscriptions to allow you the priviledge to express against your governments agenda of suppression? There are many internet entreprenuers in the truth business whom should all be vetted, so that we as a collective can "remove the clowns and close the circus, wipe with Windex to see the purpose".

This is a little early, but on time for me. Roughly three weeks ago, I personally felt that within the next 6 months to the end of 2010, many of the false prophets will be exposed and will no longer be heard of again. I cannot explain why, but it's been with me. They know who they are and I hope that they are reading this, so that their clocks are set and agendas purified...tick-tock, tick-tock...
It doesn't matter how much you resonate with any of them, you still have to do your homework. So be careful choosing sides, for you may still find yourself standing on a plank.

So let us observe the display of Sticks and Stones....

[YinYangMind]

I agree with your 'premonition?' regarding the exposure of those who claim to be 'truth revealers' as this year transitions to the next. What's very interesting from my perspective is that the most recent venues of information (Mel Fabregas - The Veritas Show, Hnrk of Red Ice Creations in particular) as well as what I consider somewhat of a cleansing and resergence of the old CoastToCoastAM now with George Noory have been presenting some of the most thought provoking and intellgent interviews over the last 6 + months!

One of the most recent 'whistleblowers', Andrew Basagio, has been on both Veritas and CoastToCoast and while his story is quite fascinating, he like Clif, has one of the most believable presentations out there. Clif's Web Bot project even surfaced Andrew's name before he came out to which Andrew acknowledged on both shows.

The recent 'Shape of Things to Come' report from Clif (December 6th) as well as the previous has been more interesting and reliable than the last 6 months worth of PC, with the exception of the Paul LaViolette where Kerry was just plain lost most of the interview. Clif has high regard for Paul's work including the work Patrick Geryl. Nassim Harriman and Drunvalo Melchezidec are two others that should be on anyones list.

There's more substance in the Webbots as related to current and future events than what I've seen out of PC this year. Why Bill has chosen the tack with Clif is puzzling. Basagio, Harrimen, Geryl, Melchezidec, High and several others should be key individuals for PC focus on to perhaps add some real substance to the PC body of work. Those that Bill & Kerry have focused on this last year have seemed to fizzle out at a minimum, cause some serious doubt and questions about the PC intent and agenda at best.

My $.25 worth of Karmic deposit.

BPH
YinYangMind

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

the truth will out.. let it run its course..

[truth and integrity]

The recent 'Shape of Things to Come' report from Clif (December 6th) as well as the previous has been more interesting and reliable than the last 6 months worth of PC, with the exception of the Paul LaViolette where Kerry was just plain lost most of the interview. Clif has high regard for Paul's work including the work Patrick Geryl. Nassim Harriman and Drunvalo Melchezidec are two others that should be on anyones list.

I agree.I like Cliff and I have enjoyed listening to his interviews. He is an intelligent man and I like how his mind works.What is missing on PC is the quality of intelectual stimulation. Therefore, I prefer to watch Nassim Harriman or Drunvalo Melchizedek to name a few. I do not watch PC any more. I found that I grow faster when I do my own research. I do not like arguing either. Too much negative energy and too much distractions from what really matter.

Best regards,

[abraxasinas]

Hi Surial!

You have well spoken as a true messenger of the light. The inheritance, for so long promised is that of the light.
A long incubation period of 25,627 years is coming to an end.
Thank you for being my friend.

WhynoT
http://tonyb.freeyellow.com/id179.html

An Esoteric perspective on a world in turmoil
Caveat: Ripley's motto: Believe it or not!

-Long enduring partnerships are falling apart.

-Career choices are made and changed overnight.

-Long dormant health issues surface in persistency, no longer enabled for postponements.

-Intimate relationships and familial associations are breaking under the guidance of individual independence issues.

-Dreams of the past and future begin to 'haunt' the dreamers sensitive to their inner selves.



What is happening? Like mushrooms after a healthy dose of 48 hour rain; personal issues are erupting like volcanoes on a global scale?

The adepts in Plato's Cave are familiar with the reason for the 'new fertility'.

The personal harvest has arrived and will be followed by a global harvest.

The harvester is the one who has planted the seeds to grow into the harvestable material and this harvester is yourself awakening from your deep slumber of the implanted forgetfulness.

The one who is stirring is your own remembrance - there is more to my life, than this 9 to 5 routine and this world of the consumerism and the search for self in gratification and social integration.



On November 30, 2009 a decisive nexus point in the time warp loop from December 8th, 2004 to April 1st, 2012 began in the commencement of 70 weeks of personalised turmoil leading into 'global' turmoil from March 28th, 2011.

What is so significant about this upcoming 'time', which is 'warped' (albeit unbeknown by the 'regulators' of the global communities)?

The human genus has been subject to a particular 'archetypology' for almost 26,000 years, and a timeline if translated into a distance specifying the distance between planet earth to the center of the harbouring Milky Way galaxy (and so 26,000 lightyears away).

From this 'archetypology' derived the worldwide social and cultural edifices and constructs, such as global 'religions' and harbouring philosophical paradigms, city-nation states and a technology driven by innovative scientific application.

There is a last 'Blue Moon' (of Full Moons) for this period on December 2nd, 2009 and December 31st, 2009 - heralding the 'New Year' fully encompassing the 70 weeks of supra transformation of 'karmic' archetypes.

There will be a 'Black Moon' (of New Moons) in July 2011 (1st and 30th) followed by the 'Blue Moons' of August 2012 (2nd & 31st).


All of those old archetypes have held the human groupsoul 'to ransom' and imprisoned the human group consciousness under 'name it yourself' social conventions and hierarchical structures like 'religion', 'tradition' or 'class'.

All of those Old Archetypes, now almost 26,000 years old, - MUST be replaced by New Archetypes - ergo the necessity for a 'warped timeline' as indicated above.

Why the 'must'? Because the end of the cycle demands a reconfiguration of the Old Beginning (Alpha to Omega) as a New Beginning (Omega to Alpha) in the 'closing of the 'age' or the 'closing of the circle'.

Personal 'turmoil' is required to 'shake the individual' out of its lethargic slumberland of expecting 'things' (say the world) to continue as 'always'.

The alpha-omega point had its last occurrence in 23,615 BC and a long time before the collective genetic groupmind of humanity of today can pertinently remember itself.

So the present 'psychophysical' collective human mind has entered 'new territory'.

A few 'old souls', familiar with Plato's Cave might remember the overriding and encompassing galactic archetype.

Perseus aka Milky Way is on his adventure to 'marry' Andromeda, daughter of Cassiopeia in a celestial or 'heavenly wedding' of superlatives.

To do that, Perseus must overcame many obstacles set into his way by the 'jealous' Olympians.

For is not Perseus, the son of Zeus, yet also the son of a mortal woman Danae?

Under protectorate of Zeus and some 'tools from the goddesses'; Perseus must face the gorgons and the titans in Medusa and the Kraken to rescue Andromeda. Upon succeeeding in his quest, Perseus and Andromeda will reconfigure the constellations and their new archetypes will forever change the Old into the New.

April and Brooke; both of you are Andromeda in jeopardy of being 'sacrificed' to the Kraken, the 'old titan' and one of the usurpers of the preOlympian creation.

But just as you are unawares of your starry identities, so are your 'Sons of Zeus' unaware of theirs. But exist the do and real they are.

Before they will appear to ask for your partnership; both are required to become created within yourself as your own unifications. It is deemed necessary, that the new archetypology be built on a new foundation and for this reason and purpose you have become empowered (by your individuated struggles of familial natures) to MIRROR yourselves within yourselves INDEPENDENT from the outside world and your external associations.

Realising your own shadows, will then allow your Perseuses to realise theirs, just in looking at you as new creations and subsequentlybecome enabled to 'redefine' themselves (in your images).

April, Scott is as much 'trapped' in the 'world around himself' as you are. This 'world' is 'getting ready for the harvest' and despite the naysayers, noone can escape the harvesting or remain sitting on the fence as an onlooker and observer. This 'harvest' is NOT physical, but mental and has everything to to do with 'human consciousness' and/or self-perception.

Scott cannot change under the auspices of the present nexus until you have changed. The present agenda is far far more, than just some personal 'struggle' or dilemma of 'evolutionary growth'.

The development must be thorough and sudden or the old partnerships will simply break apart.

In some manner ALL human partnerships are presently under such tension or evolution pressure; the difference is, that now the pressure is beyond the physical (alcoholism, drug abuse, still birth, self-abortion or some other physical problem).

Brooke; your problem is not your biological infertility, but your 'higher self'. You have decided on a 'deeper soul level' NOT to fall pregnant in your present 'state of mind', because you know of the dramatic changes pertaining to the environment for your baby in the next few years.

You are becoming more and more 'distracted' by the 'status quo' and your skepticism towards what for you has been a 'natural spiritual gift' - your own self-remembrance as a foremost spiritual being and an 'old soul' from Plato's Cave. Have you altogether now forgotten Delphi?

In your strong desires for womanhood and your 'place in the world'; you have neglected your 'precious gifts attained previously' and your 'spiritual heart' KNOWS this very well.

So instead of ridiculing the messenger, you might enquire of your thinking heart and render your mind feeling instead of rationalizing.

Should you reopen your communications with your 'Isaiahean heart', then you will receive a very distinct message, which shall show you when and how to conceive and bear.

The 'timing' will then be right and you will have remembered yourself and your reason for being incarnate at the present timeline.
April; your dreaming Atlantis is of great significance as it pertains as much to your future as it does to your past.

The strange hieroglyphs on the walls are part of the encodings residing deep within your 'soul'.

These are not symbols to be interpreted, like mathematical semantics, but these are symbols which you know intuitively, even telepathically, if you just could gather the confidence to utilize them.

In this respect, they have occurred through your dreams to rekindle your ancient past, when you knew how to use those symbols.

It would behoove you very well, should you go outside one cloudless night and deeply ponder the brightest star in the sky - Sirius aka Canis Major, the Dog-Star so 8.6 lightyears from earth.

Atlantis has its origin with Sirius and connects through this relatively nearby constellation to the prehuman timeline beginning so 50,000 years ago with the 'Seven Sisters' and Arcturus, as well as Andromeda.

There are 4 great ancient constellations, which are represented on earth; all of which serve humanity in archetype and in remembrance. Pondering any or all of them, will trigger elemental archetypes and 'strange feelings' of 'knowing without knowing'.

The Canines of Sirius with a codename: "The Sirian Doggods of the Air of Western Jerusalem".

The Felines of Andromeda with a codename: "The Andromedean Lions of the Fire of Eastern Judah".

The Pachyderms (Elephants, Rhinoceroses and Hippopotamuses) of Arcturus with a codename: "The Arcturian Elephants of the Earth of Northern Samaria".

The Cetaceans (Whales, Dolphins and Porpoises) of Pleiadius with a codename: "The Pleiadean Whales of the Water of Southern Jonah".



It is the human identity, which is being 'harvested' and EVERYONE in incarnation 'knows' this to be the case on an 'inner soul level' or similar labelling. The human identity is in transit to become 'extraplanetary' or 'galactic'. For this purpose, the 'old worlds', both individually and globally must transform and change into a 'new world'.

As this change cannot become physicalized before the (mental) archetypes and templates have themselves become manifested 'psychophysically' or metaphysically; the present circumstances prevail and will continue to prevail until the new blueprints have become implemented.

The success of this implementation is however assured; because there are a few 'old souls' in Plato's Cave, who understand and help to manifest the required transformations.

John Shadow

[Roman195]

Cliff High

"To be clear. I did not hire any detective to investigate Bill Deagle. I have never been privy to any personal information about Bill Deagle, nor any information which is not publicly available on the internet. My first contact with Bill Deagle (by phone) was so negatively affecting of the state of my ki that I began my own research into Bill Deagle by the simple expedient of Google. Please note…I do my own research. I did not hire anyone and then ‘set them’ onto Deagle with orders to find ‘stuff that could be used against Deagle”. This is a lie. ********. Let me state that again. The characterizations written by Bill Ryan are false, and offensive.

In the investigation that I did perform with Google, the second query that I used was “Dr + Bill + Deagle + fraud”. The results led me directly to the information that I passed on to Bill Ryan that he has misunderstood. "

The above is a quote from Cliff High's original thread.

I find it hard to discern how just a Google search would get anyone on the path to the truth without trying other search engines. Google is not the god of search engines and the results of a search on Google without trying any of the other search engines in not a path to enlightenment, in my opinion.
For example:
http://www.infowars.com/google-and-b...-edmonds-blog/
“Google has worked closely with the governments of the U.S., the U.K., Germany, Japan, and most notoriously China to censor content on its websites. Google works directly with China to filter search results on the Google Chinese search engine concerning the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, sites supporting the independence movements of Tibet and Taiwan or the Falun Gong movement, and other information considered embarrassing or harmful to China’s totalitarian slave masters.”
The above being a quote from the article of the link listed above.
So Cliff put that in your pipe and smoke it!


I’m offended more by your assault on Bill Ryan’s character than anything else. Kerry and Bill are, in my opinion, historians that try to get history as it’s given to them and letting the readers discern for themselves.
I can go on with my assault on your character, but at this time I choose not to because there are more important things to worry about. Man, you got to rein that ego in, it will get you into trouble.
Can you explain this woo-jo concept again to me. I to have had my experiences in Do-jos, but this woo-jo concept seems like some sort of trap to me.
In unity,
Roman
“Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.”

[YinYangMind]

Originally Posted by Roman195

Cliff High

"To be clear. I did not hire any detective to investigate Bill Deagle. I have never been privy to any personal information about Bill Deagle, nor any information which is not publicly available on the internet. My first contact with Bill Deagle (by phone) was so negatively affecting of the state of my ki that I began my own research into Bill Deagle by the simple expedient of Google. Please note…I do my own research. I did not hire anyone and then ‘set them’ onto Deagle with orders to find ‘stuff that could be used against Deagle”. This is a lie. ********. Let me state that again. The characterizations written by Bill Ryan are false, and offensive.

In the investigation that I did perform with Google, the second query that I used was “Dr + Bill + Deagle + fraud”. The results led me directly to the information that I passed on to Bill Ryan that he has misunderstood. "

The above is a quote from Cliff High's original thread.

I find it hard to discern how just a Google search would get anyone on the path to the truth without trying other search engines. Google is not the god of search engines and the results of a search on Google without trying any of the other search engines in not a path to enlightenment, in my opinion.
For example:
http://www.infowars.com/google-and-b...-edmonds-blog/
“Google has worked closely with the governments of the U.S., the U.K., Germany, Japan, and most notoriously China to censor content on its websites. Google works directly with China to filter search results on the Google Chinese search engine concerning the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, sites supporting the independence movements of Tibet and Taiwan or the Falun Gong movement, and other information considered embarrassing or harmful to China’s totalitarian slave masters.”
The above being a quote from the article of the link listed above.
So Cliff put that in your pipe and smoke it!


I’m offended more by your assault on Bill Ryan’s character than anything else. Kerry and Bill are, in my opinion, historians that try to get history as it’s given to them and letting the readers discern for themselves.
I can go on with my assault on your character, but at this time I choose not to because there are more important things to worry about. Man, you got to rein that ego in, it will get you into trouble.
Can you explain this woo-jo concept again to me. I to have had my experiences in Do-jos, but this woo-jo concept seems like some sort of trap to me.
In unity,
Roman
“Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.”

Roman,

Not sure just who you are directing your post to but if it's me, thank you for your input and observation in this matter.

The quote of Clif is accurate. Your opinion of Google and assumption that Clif used only Google for his research are both 'your opinion' and apparently lack any knowledge of Clif's backgound or knowledge. There are multiple search/decision engines/methodolgies available which can turn up large amounts of data on just about any subject/topic/person/etc. Knowing that Clif has been involved with computer technology (hueristics, tele-communications, human factors engineering to name a few) as well as developing sophisticated internet data gathering systems such as his Web Bot Project would indicate that he could probably find whatever he wanted without using Google. In this case, the use of Google, which most casual to intermediate internet consumers would use, turned up very interesting data which anybody could find.

The reference you use regarding the data about government use of Google is a bit lost on me...not sure what your point is, especially about Clif taking a toke on it, and would appreciate clarification which I thank you for in advance!

Your offence at the serious questioning regarding what you refer to as an 'assault on Bills character' is something you should examine. Being offended is a part of life and in my experience reveals issues that one has within one's self that are yet to be dealt with and resolved. They are also usually the result of emotional stagnation which can be difficult to overcome.

Once again, there is a complete lack of addressing the core/key issues that have been raised regarding the conduct of Bill in this matter...and to reiterate so as to be clear, the issue is Deagle's credibility, Bill's unwavering support in the face of hard and alarming data regarding Deagle's claims (NOT HIS FINANCES!) and the way in which Bill has conducted himself in this matter. Throw in the developing pattern of whistleblower fallout over the last year and that translates into wanting to know more about what I and many others here have supported over the years as there seems to be some serious issues at PC/PA.

Will any of you who defend these actions ever address the questions posed? Or will you just blather on about how much you admire and love Bill & Kerry?

Where's the objective, non-biased inquiry? Why get mad at the pursuit of the truth?

Waiting on honest discussion based on facts, not blind emotional stances.

Peace,

YinYangMind

[Roman195]

YinYangMind,
“The quote of Clif is accurate. Your opinion of Google and assumption that Clif used only Google for his research are both 'your opinion' and apparently lack any knowledge of Clif's backgound or knowledge.”
YingYangMind quote above
“In the investigation that I did perform with Google, the second query that I used was “Dr + Bill + Deagle + fraud”. The results led me directly to the information that I passed on to Bill Ryan that he has misunderstood.”
Cliff’s quote above
Then why didn’t he mention all these other resources?
I heard him speak on Coast to Coast with George Noory, and liked his talk on his project but I was under the impression that this was for prediction use not to slam peoples work. What’s he going to do next charge people for the dirt he digs up? I’m not irate because of his slamming of Dr. Deagle, but his intrusiveness and slamming of Bill Ryan’s work. Great, now I got Cliffs Web bots running all over my computer. I don’t want them here, but Cliff don’t care about that, his project must go on.

“ The reference you use regarding the data about government use of Google is a bit lost on me...not sure what your point is, especially about Clif taking a toke on it, and would appreciate clarification which I thank you for in advance!”
YingYangMind quote above
I think the Google article speaks for itself.
“So Cliff put that in your pipe and smoke it!”
My quote above
Where did I write take a toke on it? What I meant with my quote was a simple; Think about it.
“Your offence at the serious questioning regarding what you refer to as an 'assault on Bills character' is something you should examine. Being offended is a part of life and in my experience reveals issues that one has within one's self that are yet to be dealt with and resolved. They are also usually the result of emotional stagnation which can be difficult to overcome.”
YingYangMind quote above
Now I’m being Psycho-analyzed because I wrote a statement to defend an Honorable man and a gentleman? Bill has handled himself well with his thread and he explained why he did it. Did any of you read his thread? How did you get I was suffering from ‘emotion stagnation’ out of what I had to write? Cliff or you don’t have no idea what what’s in my heart, unless Clif has developed a Heart bot for that purpose.
“Where's the objective, non-biased inquiry? Why get mad at the pursuit of the truth?”
YingYangMind quote above
I can write that same exact statement about your alleged non-biased inquiry.
In Peace and Unity,
Roman

"Beware of wolfs in sheeps clothing."

[Majorion]

I can't believe this thread is still going on.

The issue is so old, so incredibly trivial, and silly.

[YinYangMind]

Originally Posted by Majorion

I can't believe this thread is still going on.

The issue is so old, so incredibly trivial, and silly.

Agreed.

Peace,

YinYangMind

[YinYangMind]

Originally Posted by Roman195

YinYangMind,
“The quote of Clif is accurate. Your opinion of Google and assumption that Clif used only Google for his research are both 'your opinion' and apparently lack any knowledge of Clif's backgound or knowledge.”
YingYangMind quote above
“In the investigation that I did perform with Google, the second query that I used was “Dr + Bill + Deagle + fraud”. The results led me directly to the information that I passed on to Bill Ryan that he has misunderstood.”
Cliff’s quote above
Then why didn’t he mention all these other resources?
I heard him speak on Coast to Coast with George Noory, and liked his talk on his project but I was under the impression that this was for prediction use not to slam peoples work. What’s he going to do next charge people for the dirt he digs up? I’m not irate because of his slamming of Dr. Deagle, but his intrusiveness and slamming of Bill Ryan’s work. Great, now I got Cliffs Web bots running all over my computer. I don’t want them here, but Cliff don’t care about that, his project must go on.

“ The reference you use regarding the data about government use of Google is a bit lost on me...not sure what your point is, especially about Clif taking a toke on it, and would appreciate clarification which I thank you for in advance!”
YingYangMind quote above
I think the Google article speaks for itself.
“So Cliff put that in your pipe and smoke it!”
My quote above
Where did I write take a toke on it? What I meant with my quote was a simple; Think about it.
“Your offence at the serious questioning regarding what you refer to as an 'assault on Bills character' is something you should examine. Being offended is a part of life and in my experience reveals issues that one has within one's self that are yet to be dealt with and resolved. They are also usually the result of emotional stagnation which can be difficult to overcome.”
YingYangMind quote above
Now I’m being Psycho-analyzed because I wrote a statement to defend an Honorable man and a gentleman? Bill has handled himself well with his thread and he explained why he did it. Did any of you read his thread? How did you get I was suffering from ‘emotion stagnation’ out of what I had to write? Cliff or you don’t have no idea what what’s in my heart, unless Clif has developed a Heart bot for that purpose.
“Where's the objective, non-biased inquiry? Why get mad at the pursuit of the truth?”
YingYangMind quote above
I can write that same exact statement about your alleged non-biased inquiry.
In Peace and Unity,
Roman

"Beware of wolfs in sheeps clothing."

Roman,

My apologies for misunderstanding your post. I'm apparently beating a dead horse.

Peace,

YinYangMind

[M-1]

Originally Posted by mkspllmn

Cant we all just get along.

Agree with this! All information has to be verified and is with time if nothing else. I appreciate both Bill and Cliff for the work they are performing. Camelot should interview Cliff and publish soon for the great information exchange and calm the waters for all in this time of transition.

[Sarahmay]

Bill and Cliff, I have infinite love and gratitude for the work both of you are doing.

Bill Deagle doesn't "feel" right to me, he never has, but that doesn't mean that his information is without value. And Bill, I understand your need to share that information with us. And Cliff, I understand why you don't trust the information, which is your right.

I think you both have immense integrity. So let's go all Louise Hay and repeat "That may be true for you, but it is not true for me."

[Jack]

First off this is my opinion as a sovereign human being, and does not in any way represent the forum staffs opinion in anything other then a coincidental manner.

I am finding more and more each day that the true way to recognise a persons motive is to analyse their material and try to then establish if said persons material is balanced with both the positive and negative aspects of what is going on in the world. If this is not the case yet the person is true of heart then it is their duty to balance their information, as inflicting terror upon their audience is now just as dangerous as being dishonest and manipulative.

Bill Deagle offers little hope to the people who are following his information. If we were to listen to what he has to say on a daily basis and take it all on board as truth then its safe to say that the mental hospitals and mortuaries would be filling up quite rapidly.

This can also be said for Alex Jones, who I have given up listening to quite a long time ago. There are certain members of society who are being paid a LOT of money to be very persuasive and believable. And the role they play is to instigate as much fear and anger as possible into their targeted audience. Alex Jones is clearly doing this to incite some kind of a revolution which in turn would play right into the nets of the local swat force waiting eagerly at their bases for any kind of a "terrorist" uprising.

There is much talk from Bill Deagle about the doom and gloom of our world but from a spiritual point of view, which is equally as important, is this really productive?

The importance of the spiritual aspects of our reality have now become even more important then the geopolitical aspects simply because people have refused to acknowledge them for too long now.

The act of protecting someone who is inciting terror into their target audience without balancing it out with some positive information, some solutions which we desperately need right now, is something that we should look very cautiously upon and discuss as well as try to come to some kind of resolution openly in the community.

[Christo888]

Originally Posted by Jack

First off this is my opinion as a sovereign human being, and does not in any way represent the forum staffs opinion in anything other then a coincidental manner.

I am finding more and more each day that the true way to recognise a persons motive is to analyse their material and try to then establish if said persons material is balanced with both the positive and negative aspects of what is going on in the world. If this is not the case yet the person is true of heart then it is their duty to balance their information, as inflicting terror upon their audience is now just as dangerous as being dishonest and manipulative.

Bill Deagle offers little hope to the people who are following his information. If we were to listen to what he has to say on a daily basis and take it all on board as truth then its safe to say that the mental hospitals and mortuaries would be filling up quite rapidly.

This can also be said for Alex Jones, who I have given up listening to quite a long time ago. There are certain members of society who are being paid a LOT of money to be very persuasive and believable. And the role they play is to instigate as much fear and anger as possible into their targeted audience. Alex Jones is clearly doing this to incite some kind of a revolution which in turn would play right into the nets of the local swat force waiting eagerly at their bases for any kind of a "terrorist" uprising.

There is much talk from Bill Deagle about the doom and gloom of our world but from a spiritual point of view, which is equally as important, is this really productive?

The importance of the spiritual aspects of our reality have now become even more important then the geopolitical aspects simply because people have refused to acknowledge them for too long now.

The act of protecting someone who is inciting terror into their target audience without balancing it out with some positive information, some solutions which we desperately need right now, is something that we should look very cautiously upon and discuss as well as try to come to some kind of resolution openly in the community.

Well said Jack. And I would like to add that Fox News is also seemingly in charge of revving up the battle cry in their tempo of 'the scoundrels in Washington keep stealing our money' (which is true). And Fox News has been increasing their rage, and anger on air slowly by slowly in the last year but they offer no solutions except to leave the tea kettle on the burner.

Another set-up in hopes of getting a reaction from the population so that 'other' remedies can be put in place...

May the remedies include all eyes wide open to see who is behind the curtain pulling on the strings of tricks and controls.

[sjkted]

Originally Posted by Jack

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Bill Deagle offers little hope to the people who are following his information. If we were to listen to what he has to say on a daily basis and take it all on board as truth then its safe to say that the mental hospitals and mortuaries would be filling up quite rapidly.

This can also be said for Alex Jones, who I have given up listening to quite a long time ago. There are certain members of society who are being paid a LOT of money to be very persuasive and believable. And the role they play is to instigate as much fear and anger as possible into their targeted audience. Alex Jones is clearly doing this to incite some kind of a revolution which in turn would play right into the nets of the local swat force waiting eagerly at their bases for any kind of a "terrorist" uprising.

Hopefully, I don't take this too far OT. I listened to Alex Jones quite a bit as I was acclimating all of this new information about 9/11, NWO, etc. and it's very hard to argue with much of the facts he presents. I also came up with this conclusion that he would be leading some group as a provocateur towards the second Civil War.

I don't listen to him regularly, but I have caught a few of his interviews and seen his latest movies. In particular, I listened to his most recent interviews with David Icke and am comparing them to his earliest interviews with Icke.

Has anyone else noticed he has calmed down quite a bit and seems to be awakening himself to the spiritual side of things?

--sjkted