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Old 12-10-2009, 08:14 PM   #1
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It is proven a missile, it is over, people are only playing with the hope that it was more.

The fact that someone can simulate it in 3d using a simple particle cloud, and made it look almost exact despite the short amount of time it took him to make the video.... If he were to spend more time he could have made it look exactly like it was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx8i5EfmYU4

And here is ship captain language for a warning of rocket tests in the area before hand! The area is a WELL KNOWN missile testing spot.

ZCZC FA80
071400 UTC DEC 09
COASTAL WARNING ARKHANGELSK 95
SOUTHERN PART WHITE SEA
1. ROCKET LAUNCHING 2300 10 DEC TO 0800 11 DEC
0900 TO 1700 11 DEC 2100 11 DEC TO 0600 12 DEC
1000 TO 1700 12 DEC 2200 12 DEC TO 1000 13 DEC
1100 TO 1700 13 DEC 0100 TO 1400 14 DEC
0100 TO 0700 AND 1600 TO 2200 15 DEC
NAVIGATION PROHIBITED IN AREA 65-12.6N 036-37.0E
65-37.2N 036-26.0E 66-12.3N 037-19.0E 66-04.0N 037-47.0E
66-03.0N 038-38.0E 66-06.5N 038-55.0E
65-11.0N 037-28.0E 65-12.1N 036-49.5E
THEN COASTAL LINE 65-12.2N 036-47.6E
2. CANCEL THIS MESSAGE 152300 DEC=
NNNN


ZCZC FA79
031230 UTC DEC 09
COASTAL WARNING ARKHANGELSK 94
SOUTHERN PART WHITE SEA
1.ROCKET LAUNCHING 2300 07 DEC TO 0600 08 DEC
09 DEC 0200 TO 0900 10 DEC 0100 TO 0900
NAVIGATION PROHIBITED IN AREA
65-12.6N 036-37.0E 65-37.2N 036-26.0E
66-12.3N 037-19.0E 66-04.0N 037-47.0E
66-03.0N 038-38.0E 66-06.5N 038-55.0E
65-11.0N 037-28.0E 65-12.1N 036-49.5E
THEN COASTAL LINE 65-12.2N 036-47.6E
http://forum.flot.su/showthread.php?p=102072

This is also (I would assume) how the photographer had his camera all ready to go on its tripod, with the iso (shutter speed) already set. He knew a launch was coming so he was prepared, he was there purposely to take a picture of the launch, I'm sure he never expected to get such a show though.

It's a missile... end of story.
Phtha why are you insisting so much with this? Why are you trying to impose others your truth? Can't you accept that others do not agree with this explanation and they feel that there is more to this (even if this were to be a rocket)? Why do you think that your truth is everybody's truth? We are here to share thoughts... to share research results... among other things.
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Old 12-10-2009, 08:26 PM   #2
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Because a tree is a tree! And if someone told me that a tree is a 4 headed fish I would argue and say "no sir, that is clearly a tree". This example is much more clear cut but its the same thing.
you can choose to believe what you want and that is fine with me, but I know 110% what this was.
This is a missile.
Governments really do test missiles!

I can sympothize with everyone who does not believe this is a missile though, if I did not have the experience with cameras and the like I could see how hard it would be to believe that a missile could produce such a spectacular effect.


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Phtha why are you insisting so much with this? Why are you trying to impose others your truth? Can't you accept that others do not agree with this explanation and they feel that there is more to this (even if this were to be a rocket)? Why do you think that your truth is everybody's truth? We are here to share thoughts... to share research results... among other things.
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Old 12-10-2009, 08:39 PM   #3
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Ok, so if this is an out of control rocket. All the rockets that are being tested must have the same flaw. They got to fix that.

The same thing happened in China.

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Old 12-10-2009, 08:48 PM   #4
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Ok, so if this is an out of control rocket. All the rockets that are being tested must have the same flaw. They got to fix that.

The same thing happened in China.

Now that looks like a portal...not a rocket. And the one in the night sky...amazing!
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Old 12-11-2009, 10:48 PM   #5
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Whatever this is, it is BEAUTIFUL and I wouldn't mind having this experience in my neck of the woods.

In the past year some info that came thru a channel mentioned that we may be having some "unprecedented events" coming our way (positive btw) and I'd like to think that this is just one of them. It came to me in my mulling over what an "unprecedented event" would consist of that many people could experience and my thought was that it would come from the sky, last long enough for a large number of people to experience it and from there would be plastered on the web. Well, I am amazed at my wisdom !

I hope that there will be music with the next "showing"....now that would be awesome wouldn't it ?

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Old 12-10-2009, 08:41 PM   #6
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Because a tree is a tree! And if someone told me that a tree is a 4 headed fish I would argue and say "no sir, that is clearly a tree". This example is much more clear cut but its the same thing.
you can choose to believe what you want and that is fine with me, but I know 110% what this was.
This is a missile.
Governments really do test missiles!

I can sympothize with everyone who does not believe this is a missile though, if I did not have the experience with cameras and the like I could see how hard it would be to believe that a missile could produce such a spectacular effect.
Yes... but can you prove us that it was a missile? All you have is what you saw and what they said and showed you (3D simulation) and warnings on paper. I can't prove you that it was not a missile... not with hard evidence at least. You know 110% that this was a missile, ok that's your truth... but it's not up to you to decide if that's everybody's truth or not... the global truth if you want. If people who think it's something else going on are wrong about this... then it's their "problem" and it's up to them to investigate and get this conclussion in the final. I'm just saying i'm not attacking you. You can only come with proves and solid arguments... telling your opinion and your feelings on this... without trying to impose them "your" truth / reality.
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Old 12-10-2009, 08:46 PM   #7
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anyone remember "Swamp Gas"?
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Old 12-10-2009, 08:49 PM   #8
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I agree with you Kra. I don't expect everyone to agree with me. I have just stated my opinions,

I look and read others opinions. People can believe whatever they want.

If this was a court of law, I would have to say that there was reasonable doubt that this was a missile. End of story.


It is a frightening thought to be closed minded to not explore other explanations.

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Old 12-10-2009, 08:53 PM   #9
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Hey I understand your point 100% Kra.
However there are real truths that exist, the actual events that really took place... and then people can choose whatever they want to believe from there. Logic alone proves this is a missile if you have the right knowledge before hand to see it. Nothing to do with smarts its just experience. I knew it was a missile as soon as I thought about shutter speeds.

I'm not saying I think this was a missile I'm saying it was a missile. That is the truth of what it was, and I can't change that.


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Yes... but can you prove us that it was a missile? All you have is what you saw and what they said and showed you (3D simulation) and warnings on paper. I can't prove you that it was not a missile... not with hard evidence at least. You know 110% that this was a missile, ok that's your truth... but it's not up to you to decide if that's everybody's truth or not... the global truth if you want. If people who think it's something else going on are wrong about this... then it's their "problem" and it's up to them to investigate and get this conclussion in the final. I'm just saying i'm not attacking you. You can only come with proves and solid arguments... telling your opinion and your feelings on this... without trying to impose them "your" truth / reality.
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Old 12-10-2009, 08:50 PM   #10
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Because a tree is a tree! And if someone told me that a tree is a 4 headed fish I would argue and say "no sir, that is clearly a tree". This example is much more clear cut but its the same thing.
you can choose to believe what you want and that is fine with me, but I know 110% what this was.
This is a missile.
Governments really do test missiles!

I can sympothize with everyone who does not believe this is a missile though, if I did not have the experience with cameras and the like I could see how hard it would be to believe that a missile could produce such a spectacular effect.
The evidence you speak of is easily debunked, but it is not important, we know what you believe, but please refrain from imposing you beliefs on others. Negativity is not the answer, and repeating your beliefs over and over without putting new information on the table serves no purpose but to instill chaos. I know that just by replying I am feeding the fire, but lets try and keep this discussion open but still rely on good explanations. I believe that someone would have to be gulible to believe such a flawed explanation, but that is just my beliefs and I don`t mind if you don`t share them.

I think it would be wise to steer away from missile talk until we have more/better evidence of that theory. Also let`s stay open minded, keep this positive and personal attack-free so we can make some progress investigating this.

-Peace-
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Old 12-10-2009, 08:53 PM   #11
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Trouble is so many people are desperate for something to happen.
If a few more pop up then I'll change my mind but at the moment I'm going for a out of control missile
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Old 12-10-2009, 08:55 PM   #12
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Trouble is so many people are desperate for something to happen.
If a few more pop up then I'll change my mind but at the moment I'm going for a out of control missile
I thought you were going for project Bluebeam? What changed your mind? The media?
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Old 12-11-2009, 05:18 PM   #13
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I thought you were going for project Bluebeam? What changed your mind? The media?
Phtha changed it
Missile makes much more sense than anything else
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Old 12-10-2009, 09:02 PM   #14
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Trouble is so many people are desperate for something to happen.
If a few more pop up then I'll change my mind but at the moment I'm going for a out of control missile
how about this one in Russia:



Swamp gas too (oops. I mean rocket?)
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Old 12-10-2009, 09:10 PM   #15
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hi all, just catchin up...

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Old 12-10-2009, 09:12 PM   #16
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N and D or interchangeable,so Norway is also Dorway.
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Old 12-10-2009, 09:15 PM   #18
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Ok......here is feedback given by Dr. Paul LaViolette to Mel on the Manticore forum. I figure the good Dr. should know if its a rocket or not....looks like its not.

Mel,

The Norwegian light show is in my opinion made by the same EM technology that produced the luminous ring seen in Moscow two months ago. See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-XljlBRF6M

This appears to be a continuing public demonstration of the technology that was also used to turn the World Trade Center to dust. I believe that a very scaled up version of this technology could also be used to put a protective shield around the Earth to deflect cosmic rays.

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Old 12-10-2009, 09:23 PM   #19
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Ok......here is feedback given by Dr. Paul LaViolette to Mel on the Manticore forum. I figure the good Dr. should know if its a rocket or not....looks like its not.

Mel,

The Norwegian light show is in my opinion made by the same EM technology that produced the luminous ring seen in Moscow two months ago. See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-XljlBRF6M

This appears to be a continuing public demonstration of the technology that was also used to turn the World Trade Center to dust. I believe that a very scaled up version of this technology could also be used to put a protective shield around the Earth to deflect cosmic rays.

Paul
Now that is some pretty solid information and opinion from a Scientist in the field.
Thanks for that information Thank you too Mel

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Old 12-10-2009, 09:26 PM   #20
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Ok my 2 pennys worth, Going to fast, I have just jumped from page 6 but couldn't resist jumping to 12 so if you have fixed the problem fine. It your tag at the bottem of your posts that pushing every thing across. 2nd: If it was a missle the spiral would have been blown away in any sort of wind, now if the wind was anything less then 0.5 on the boufont then maybe there is a chance.. So simply to say we need to check out the weather on said day... If it was windy then I would say there is no chance Of it being a missle...

I do think if there was love being sent to the earth what better way to couteract that than to say its a missle, to spread a fear factor... Either way I havent made up my mind yet which one im going for.. But I do like the idea of love being sent to us

Like is neither fact or truth..

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Old 12-10-2009, 09:29 PM   #21
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Ok my 2 pennys worth, Going to fast, I have just jumped from page 6 but couldn't resist jumping to 12 so if you have fixed the problem fine. It your tag at the bottem of your posts that pushing every thing across. 2nd: If it was a missle the spiral would have been blown away in any sort of wind, now if the wind was anything less then 0.5 on the boufont then maybe there is a chance.. So simply to say we need to check out the weather on said day... If it was windy then I would say there is no chance Of it being a missle...

I do think if there was love being sent to the earth what better way to couteract that than to say its a missle, to spread a fear factor... Either way I havent made up my mind yet which one im going for.. But I do like the idea of love being sent to us

Like is neither fact or truth..

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check my post on page 10...near the bottom.
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Old 12-10-2009, 09:46 PM   #22
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Hi everybody,
I would love to have it end up being a sky show that is sort of like a crop circle.

I have a friend on a technical forum who is living in china, and he cannot see any youtube videos. There is a powerful firewall there. (He always reminds us to make and keep copies of what we share with each other.)
I will check with him later today when he appears, to see if the firewall was lifted, but for now...
If you can't see them you probably cannot upload any either. so,
PLEASE realize those china videos are suspect..


I also immediately thought of the human made portals.

Incidentally, since early this morning I have felt like I had way too much coffee. I mean the jitters feeling.
Did someone say high energy?

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Old 12-10-2009, 10:01 PM   #23
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Hello Everyone,
This is my first post. Although i am interested in these things it was this incident that made me sign up to the forum. I shall be introducing myself in another post once i find the welcome thread or forum.

After the news broke and i saw the videos for the first time i was positive it was something extraordinary. Either a ufo or portal of somekind. I was ecstatic even after my mind was swayed to things of a classified government nature such as bluebeam, Haarp, etc, simply because it was new. An experience i could share in with humanity.

My joy started to fade when i saw more pictures, particularly those containing the sunlit tail end into the horizon. Last night i went to bed convinced that it was a Missile or rocket. I had to settle on something in order to get to sleep.

Overall i am open minded about what it could be, even after various animations on the net about it. For me it matters not What it is but Why. I think if it was a missile then fragments would have been retrieved by now and displayed by proud school children across Norway seeing i didn't hear of any impact or explosion upon impact.

I presume the government of Norway would have retrieved the pieces but with so many witnesses one would think some kind of impact would have been seen or heard even if all the fuel had burnt up. Still...

What worried me first was the thought of Russia testing missiles there knowing that Obama probably had secret service agents in place since a few days ago scouting security for the ceremony. Then i began to think of uboats lying in wait for Obama to get him on foreign soil. maybe some nervous operator released the missile early and it had to be self destructed. I dismissed this with thoughts that presumably there must be launch codes needed, authority given to lift toggle switch guards and so on.

Then i thought of disclosure and wondered if this was a prelude to it, softening the reaction of people. half expecting to see multiple anomalies reported today across the globe. No sign as yet.

I think for me, now; the most plausible explanation is misdirection. Like i said, i don't think people like me will ever find out first hand what it actually was or even why, but i think the why is more important.


I wonder how many Norwegians angry at Obama ( and there are reputed to be many ) were talking and thinking about a strange spiraling light in the sky today instead of talking about Obama?
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So how come you only attack me and not the ones who say it was not a missile with 100% certainty? Because it doesn't fit with your belief?

Anyways the TRUTH was it was a missile. Sorry if that upsets you guys but that is not my fault.

MISSILE

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Old 12-10-2009, 09:05 PM   #25
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After looking at this thread, I think I have just bumped into a very lucrative business. I can provide portal chasing adventures in any night sky. Price is only $3,000 per 7 day trip, or $25,000 for groups of ten. You will be absolutely guaranteed to see a portal on my command, every night -- or you'll get a 100% refund, no questions asked.
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