Bill Ryan's thread

[Bill Ryan]

Originally Posted by Seashore

I have a concern about the mission of Camelot witness Dr Bill Deagle being undermined by his critics.

Specifically I am referring to the fact that evidently Clif High of Half Past Human has said publicly that Dr Bill is a paid CIA agent.

As best we understand, Clif High set a PI [Private Investigator] on Deagle's bank account without Deagle's knowledge or consent, with an instruction to look for something that could be used against him.

The PI found some income that he could not account for and Clif therefore assumed that he must be a paid agent.

It's an understatement to say that this is very dumb of Clif, who is normally a bright guy. If anyone looked in to my bank account, or yours, or anyone's, they would find things they didn't understand. I don't even understand my own bank statements sometimes.

And because this was all done without Deagle's consent, he was never asked if there was an innocent explanation.

Not good research - and very underhand. We should not be doing this to one another.

My solid opinion: Deagle is a very good man. We've spoken with him extensively, on and off record.

One amazing conversation I witnessed two years ago and have never forgotten (because I was physically in the room where Henry Deacon/ Arthur Neumann was talking with him on Skype) was Deagle and Henry comparing places and projects where they had both worked. Project names, codewords, clearances, everything. They figured out that they must have bumped into one another but couldn't recall where. The conversation lasted 45 minutes and was quite something else.

We've visited his house and met his wife and children. He's a huge-hearted soul with a brain the size of a small planet. He is also human. I respect him highly.

[lindabaker]

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan

My solid opinion: Deagle is a very good man. We've spoken with him extensively, on and off record.

I had Dr. D's company's colloidal silver tested, and it meets and exceeds standards. Recommend. I will now have other immune defense products tested, although I wouldn't hesitate to use them without the test. I want to add one thing: Dr. D. made a remark that caused a lot of chatter. The remark about being a descendant of Moses. Well, of course, he could be! I know for sure that people keep very close track of their descendancy through tribes, to this very day. Not impossible or outlandish. Just my opinion, not trying to rekindle an old log! LB

[unlimited mind]

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan

As best we understand, Clif High set a PI [Private Investigator] on Deagle's bank account without Deagle's knowledge or consent, with an instruction to look for something that could be used against him.

The PI found some income that he could not account for and Clif therefore assumed that he must be a paid agent.

It's an understatement to say that this is very dumb of Clif, who is normally a bright guy.

is there proof of this Bill? who is this 'we' that you heard this from...otherwise, all of it is more hearsay. track records speak for themselves, and clif's interpretation of the linguistic data, as far as being considered a 'positive hit', is pretty long, especially when compared to the info that Deagle has put out.

clif often speaks of karma, and what he will and will not do based on the repercussions of said karma, and this statement you made does not feel within Clif's character, when compared to the info clif has shared about himself.

have you called and asked clif about this? did you follow thru and investigate this further yourself or just go with what this 'WE' said. why would clif feel the need to prove Deagle one way or the other anyhow? makes no sense.

looking forward to having more info on this. thanks Bill..........

[jazzgad]

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan

As best we understand, Clif High set a PI [Private Investigator] on Deagle's bank account without Deagle's knowledge or consent, with an instruction to look for something that could be used against him.

The PI found some income that he could not account for and Clif therefore assumed that he must be a paid agent.

It's an understatement to say that this is very dumb of Clif, who is normally a bright guy. If anyone looked in to my bank account, or yours, or anyone's, they would find things they didn't understand. I don't even understand my own bank statements sometimes.

And because this was all done without Deagle's consent, he was never asked if there was an innocent explanation.

Not good research - and very underhand. We should not be doing this to one another.

My solid opinion: Deagle is a very good man. We've spoken with him extensively, on and off record.

One amazing conversation I witnessed two years ago and have never forgotten (because I was physically in the room where Henry Deacon/ Arthur Neumann was talking with him on Skype) was Deagle and Henry comparing places and projects where they had both worked. Project names, codewords, clearances, everything. They figured out that they must have bumped into one another but couldn't recall where. The conversation lasted 45 minutes and was quite something else.

We've visited his house and met his wife and children. He's a huge-hearted soul with a brain the size of a small planet. He is also human. I respect him highly.

there is response from Clif High which should be posted here
go and see it before it disappears
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=18276

[Kinsuemei2]

Ok Bill what do you think of Jesse Ventura's new conspiracy show on Tru TV?
Ok I guess what do you think of Jesse Ventura period?

[IMU]

Hi, Bill! I'm interested in Leo Zagami. 'Cos I watched your interview again and a lot of his statements are conflicting with some other whistleblowers. For example he states that Zacharia Sitchin is an insider who spreads this sinister Annunaki agenda while it is not real, while others refer to him as a genuine source. (I hope I got it right) I'm really curious if the next Pope will be Francis Arinze... So what do you think of Leo Zagami? I also don't know if I can trust Dan Burisch or not... it's just a gut feeling that he might not be on the good side for some reason... I can't explain why

[1love]

Bill, you mentioned that you dabble in free zone scientology and I was just wondering how far along you've gotten and how beneficial it's been for you? If this is too personal I understand if you don't want to answer the question.

Another personal question that you don't have to answer: 'When did you wake up' per se? Did you remember what triggered it ? Or was it just a gradual build up?

[D9Magestic]

Hi Bill. thanks for sending me the message that I accidently 'reported' a free energy topic when I actually meant to post a reply. Is there anyway that I can change my Avatar to say my old DoD security pass. So much of what is on Camelot fits my experience, not that I am a whistle blower becuase I was too low a Clearance to see what was really going on. But my life experience has showed that I was involved in the Dark side and worked for the dark side. The realisation that I was meant to experience all that I have experienced was always something that I have felft deep down but when I watched your latest video I was literally blown away as you were wording what my subconscious has often thought about during idle moments.

Finally my heart goes out to the whistle blowers who know the burden and carry the scars.

[Fredkc]

I have been doing something, on my own, since the 2nd day of this thread. I have kept a complete running copy of just Bill Ryan's posts, complete with all links, etc.

Quotes of posters referenced have links to those full posts. It's as complete as I can make it. My intent was to simply be able to read what Bill posted, without having to wade through 2-5 pages of off-topic stuff in-between.

All links lead, either back to this thread, or where Bill intended them to. There isn't even a single link leading to my own site.

I PM'd two mods, and Bill himself offering to do this, in advance. The responses I got were of the "no, don't delete it" and "please keep it up" variety; but I have never heard just what to do with it. So...

Working from the basic theory that "it's easier to get forgiven than to get permission" I am posting a link to a single page titled:

Bill Ryan's Thread - Filtered

It is complete, up to and including his post above(#560). Use it. Don't use it. Up to you.

Mods, if, at any time, someone wants this discontinued, please PM me, and delete this post, I will delete the page. Also, if you want to bring it "in house" that is fine also. The content belongs to Camelot. I don't want, nor make any such claim.

Fred

[gita]

Great work Fredkc - sure is a time saver and easier to read Bill's thread. Much appreciated.

[Bobbie]

That's a splendid idea. Thanks for doing the work that needed being done.

[Moxie]

Thanks Fredkc. I think it would work well to simply have one thread "Questions to Bill Ryan" where members could post their question.....

and another thread, "Bill Ryan's Answers"'; a closed thread where no one else could post at all. And since Bill includes the questions above his answers, it would be an uncluttered & complete Q & A.

Another idea (I know, no one asked for suggestions, but...) is to have all posted questions written in a certain color (I know I dream too much... lol)

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by Moxie

Thanks Fredkc. I think it would work well to simply have one thread "Questions to Bill Ryan" where members could post their question.....

and another thread, "Bill Ryan's Answers"'; a closed thread where no one else could post at all. And since Bill includes the questions above his answers, it would be an uncluttered & complete Q & A.

Another idea (I know, no one asked for suggestions, but...) is to have all posted questions written in a certain color (I know I dream too much... lol)

I really like that idea!

[sjkted]

Hi Bill,

I have been following your work from the beginning and have referred many people to your site. I support the mission statement of Camelot and that is why I am writing to you today as a critic.

First of all, I commend you for keeping an open forum where people can freely ask you questions and I would like to state that I have no doubt that both you and Kerry are perfectly upfront about who you are and where you are coming from, and I appreciate that. Further, I can't think of a single interview you have aired where I think that the whistleblower is intentionally misleading your audience.

I understand what you are saying about protecting whistleblowers. I realize some of these people may be jeopordazing their career or putting themselves in personal danger by disclosing information to you. My concern is on discussing the facts and details rather than attacking the personalities involved.

I have heard that one strategy by TPTB to prevent disclosure is when there is a big incident to intentionally write up a bona fide document on the incident that is filled with disinformation and then give it to a certain number of insiders, whom they know will eventually leak the document. There will then be another document describing the real incident which is then given to a substantially smaller number of people and heavily controlled.

This serves two purposes: (1) TPTB know that if there is a serious incident that some leaks cannot be prevented and that people like us will be researching it and trying to find out what happened. By leaking an official document filled with disinfo, it passifies us into not looking for the real information and convinces us we have found all we are looking for. (2) It causes us to believe a lie which can be used in the future to manipulate anyone who has been briefed by the "disinfo" document.

My point in stating this is that if this is the case, nearly all of your sources would correlate the same information, since they had intentionally been given the disinfo document. They would believe what they were telling you and their documentation would be official. The only way this could be disproven would be by trying to correlate the details with outside sources.

I think that Cliff is on the right path with bringing up the issue of looking up concrete prices and supply and demand in order to research details of underground bases. The way I see Camelot interviews is kind of like I'm a member on a jury. I listen to all of the information, research all of the supporting evidence, make a decision on what is right or wrong and then act on it. In this case, I feel that Bill Deagle is wrong. My question is to you as a member of the jury: in the pursuit of the truth, why is it that you are relying on correlating whistleblower reports instead of interviewing outside subject-expert witnesses to take a look at the details? Why does Mr. Deagle get some much airtime and attention and your trust in his information, when there are some very compelling details that suggest he may not be right? And when you are called on it by someone who is looking at the details, why do you call Cliff an idiot?

My second question is on the ET issue. I realize it is important. I realize that there may be a hidden alien agenda and I tend towards believing this is the case. I've never personally had an ET encounter nor can I say I know anyone who has. In my experience, I see a lot of problems with this world including what's happening with our growing government, the wars in the Middle East, and our dying economy. When I look at this and consider it in a historical context, I come up with two things: the horrific events we have experienced in the past and those that may be coming require both the general support of the people and the belief of the implementers that what they are doing is correct. For example, neither WWI nor WWII would be possible without the support of the people for each country and the armed forces who believe the lie in order to proceed. So, there may be a hidden influence such as the Illuminati or the ET agenda, but it's always us people who are failing to take collective responsibility for our planet and ourselves.

In a practical sense, I ask you beyond a certain point what value the ET agenda information has other than entertainment? I have started a thread on this topic at http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=18802. Considering that part of the mission statement of Avalon is to provide real solutions to the groundcrew, I wonder whether continually discussing the ET issue has any practical benefit and just causes division and triggers some people's victim meme of "I'm just one person/there's nothing I can do/it's out of my hands/I'm not responsible". Could you please comment on this?

Best Regards,

sjkted

[AnarChrist]

ok. let me say this. Are we all here for the mutual cause of love of life in the light of truth for the utmost to the highest for the best of us, ie: the Spirit, and the human race?

when i say OneLove.. I mean that. If whatever it is that works for you, and your heart is true... Bless you to the utmost infinity.

I know i said i wouldnt post again, but i want to be clear.

I love. That is all.

Ron Hubbard speaks to you? So be it.

Roll with that if you are coming from the heart.

what is it that matters...

exactly.

P.ositive
E.nergy
A.ctivates
C.onstant
E.levation

Im not here to judge anyone.

I speak how i feel from how i see it at this time and place and space from where and whence i come from at this particulars.

Take it or leave it. If your heart is true, and you see it through...

as i say, bless you to the utmost.

That is all.

Regardless of this or that,

ONE LOVE.*

done.

now this is my last post.

The truth will out, as is the inevitable outcome of the universal natural Spiritual law undeniable.

Your arm is to short to box with God, as the saying goes, and

that is a good thing.

Godbless you all.

Much Love & Respect to you *ALL*

P.E.A.C.E.*

[Karen]

Please help keep this thread just for questions for Bill Ryan - take offshoot discussions to new threads - place a link in a reply here. I can also move any posts to start a new thread, and give it a new subject line of your choosing. NOTE: moved posts line up in date order. So you can't start a new thread then add older posts to it. PM me for help with this.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Bit of a long shot Bill but maybe you should get the Rock band Muse to play a camelot gig?
Their lead singer is heavily into all of our topics....

some lyrics...

Uprising

the paranoia is in bloom, the PR
transmissions will resume
They'll try to push drugs
Keep us all dumbed down and hope that
We will never see the truth around

Another promise, another scene, another
package to keep us trapped in greed
With all the green belts wrapped around our minds
And endless red tape to keep the truth confined

They will not force us
They will stop degrading us
They will not control us
We will be victorious

Interchanging mind control
Come let the revolution take it's toll if you could
Flick the switch and open your third eye, you'd see that
We should never be afraid to die

Rise up and take the power back, it's time that
The fat cats had a heart attack, you know that
Their time is coming to an end
We have to unify and watch our flag ascend

They will not force us
They will stop degrading us
They will not control us
We will be victorious


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United states of Eurasia

You and me are the same
We don't know or care who's to blame
But we know that whoever holds the reins
Nothing will change
Our cause has gone insane

And these wars, they can't be won
And these wars, they can't be won
And do you want them to go on
And on and on
Why split these states
When there can be only one?

And must we do as we're told?
Must we do as we're told?

You and me fall in line
To be punished for unproven crimes!
And we know that there is no one we can trust;
Our ancient heroes, they are turning to dust!

And these wars, they can't be won
Does anyone know or care how they begun?
They just promise to go on
And on and on
But soon we will see
There can be only one

United States!
United States!
Of...

Eurasia!



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Exopolitics

Open skies over me
I am waiting patiently
I'll wait for a sign

As conspiracies unwind
Will you slam shut
Or free your mind
Or stay hypnotised

When the Zetas fill the skies
Will our leaders tell us why
Fully loaded satellites
Will conquer nothing but our minds

And I've waited patiently
And I'll wait for the sign

Carried through the centuries
Secrets locked up
And loaded on my back
Well it weights me down

When the Zetas fill the skies
It's just our leaders in disguise
Fully loaded satellites
Will conquer nothing but our minds

I'm waiting patiently
And I'll wait for the sign, yeah
And I'm waiting patiently
And I'll wait for the sign

[bashi]

Hi wrightio. Just try to look arround and learn. If you can understand my post, then you will have travelled a bit of the journey.

[Daft Ada]

Originally Posted by bashi

Hi wrightio. Just try to look arround and learn. If you can understand my post, then you will have travelled a bit of the journey.

That's a very patronising statement. Trouble is I agree with him, this is not the thread for you to be banging on about eating meat or not. This thread is for asking Bill Ryan questions.

[Derek]

Bill what do you think is the best source of information on our true history?

The best source for annunaki information?

[norman]

hello Bill,

I've just listened (twice) to your personal interview on Camelot and got a lot out of it. As a result of it I went back to the Dec 7th 2006 Dr Bill Deagle speech at Granada Forum.

I remembered a lot of the things he mentioned but one item popped out at me in a new way. I found myself joining a couple of dots. Not sure I'm being sensible or not. Dr Deagle said that the 'chemtrails' included " .... a silicon based lifeform that did not originate on this planet.......", whaw!, In the light of more recent info via Clay and Shawn Pickering, that statement takes on more clout. Had you also noticed this connection?

Also, I'm a pretty 'low-level' sort of bloke and tend to see the world as a 3 dimentional cosmic wonder. In a universe that seems to be infinite in all directions I'm regularly puzzled by the fact that galaxies have a tendency to be flat/circular, or at least tend to mature with time into such a form. This indicates to me that there must be some sort of galactic energy/force that does this. I'd guess that there is a 50% chance that that force is a linear field along the axis line of the whole galaxy.

If it is true that our solar system is currently on or near that line we should certainly be expecting peaks in data. I wonder what data is really being recorded?

I would like you to take any opportunities you can to discuss this topic with relevant people as you make your way around.


Thanks to you.

Norman.

[peaceviddie]

Hi Bill,

I'm curious whether you have been following Dr. Brook's Agnew and his planned expedition (pending funding) to the north pole to prove/disprove that the earth is hollow.

Thanks,

[Seafury]

Hi Bill,

I would like to know if you plan on addressing Clif High's open letter to you. Specifically this part would be worth addressing.

To be clear. I did not hire any detective to investigate Bill Deagle. I have never been privy to any personal information about Bill Deagle, nor any information which is not publicly available on the internet. My first contact with Bill Deagle (by phone) was so negatively affecting of the state of my ki that I began my own research into Bill Deagle by the simple expedient of Google. Please note…I do my own research. I did not hire anyone and then ‘set them’ onto Deagle with orders to find ‘stuff that could be used against Deagle”. This is a lie. ********. Let me state that again. The characterizations written by Bill Ryan are false, and offensive.

In the investigation that I did perform with Google, the second query that I used was “Dr + Bill + Deagle + fraud”. The results led me directly to the information that I passed on to Bill Ryan that he has misunderstood.

Referenced here: http://www.halfpasthuman.com/openletter.html

I think it would be fair for you to offer a response in light of the fact that we now have his side of the story and you did after all bring it to public light in the first place.

Jeff Rense never responded to your open letter as far as I know, proving himself to be a coward in my opinion. I would rather not think that of you, so in a non-confrontational, non-hateful way I think it would be prudent for you to at least offer a small amount of backup to your claim that Clif hired a private investigator.

The truth is that one of you is either lying or terribly misinformed because you can't both be right in this instance.

[onawah]

I just discovered Nassim Haramein ( theresonanceproject.org )
and watched his 8 hour video in 2 parts online at
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...9791256390335#
and
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...75242307393956
and the short outtake at
http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2009/07/p...ibiru-has.html
which shows Feb 2003 SOHO images of :
"A comet almost 2x the size of Jupiter (the largest planet in our solar system) recently passed through our solar system but was never reported on main stream media because the scientists and astrologists "thought we were toast". This comet, which Nissim believes was Nibiru, should have disrupted our solar system due to its mass and gravitational pull. Mercury should have been pulled into the sun while earth should have experienced tidal waves all over the planet. The comet was on track to hit the sun, but a huge sun flare emission veered the comet off course, as it traveled past the sun and out of our solar system. This was visible from the west coast in the early morning in February 2003. Two comets have gone by inside the orbit of Mercury into the sun.

Considering the mass and gravitational pull of these objects, "We shouldn't be here. We were given a second chance. We're floating in grace and 'somebody' is taking care of us." In a few days, Nibiru was out of our solar system. With a "comet" of this size, the gravitational force was enormous."

I don't know why it has taken so long for Haramein and his work, which I find very impressive, to come to my attention. He covers a large range of subject from physics (he's developed a Unified Field Theory) to ancient civilizations.

I would like to hear what Bill Ryan knows about this man and his work.

[onawah]

Apologies. One link I mentioned was removed from the Net, but the following one works
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...21838829059074
This is the outtake that shows the SOHO images