See The Future in the US... Look at Brazil....

[Steven]

Originally Posted by Steve_A

...However Collor was not impeached for corruption. He was impeached because of political pressure over the Senators...

...the media will ALWAYS support who is paying their wages in advertising - local government...

Hi Steve. Thanks for your answers. About Collor, don't forget he was trown out of his seat by a mob of people taking the streets in Brazilia by million. It was very impressive and this movement came from the ''comunidade de base'' and the political left wing, ''communist party'' and ''workers party''. The senators were not in control in this play, but the poeple.

It happens when the rich oligarchic power in place crosses an invisible limit. This is also how the cuban revolution took place. When way too much power lies in the hands of a few and they simply share nothing back with the poeple, while the poeple are the ones who works to build the very empire that oppresses them, the awakening of a sleeping giant takes place. It might happen in the U.S. I see this country just like this. A sleeping giant who might awake due to over use of its population. This might be the very reason why we see socialism appearing in so many countries.

About the media... The media's owners don't change over the years, in whatever country. Lula is simply putting some water in is wine cup, he has not much choice, he is in ''power'' now...

Namaste, Steven

[Humble Janitor]

I would rather the government give money to people to help them climb out of poverty than spend another dime on our corrupted military industrial complex.

How can someone possibly believe that this is bad?

If you pay taxes, it is your right to demand that you get something out of it. I pay taxes, I want my bailout.

Whether it's the far left in this country or moderate-far right, they both can see how the stimulus packages have screwed the average person. Something must be changed.

[Steve_A]

Hi Steven,

I have to resectfuly disagree with you about the Collor thingy. The people who took to the streets, the 'Caras Pintadas' were, on the whole, students and certainly were not in their millions, thousands maybe, but in a country, at that time, with a population of 120 million, it was small fry. However, the media supported (along with the opposition) the cause and so on TV the manifestation appeared to be a popular uprising, in reality a far cry from the 'paneladas' of Argentina.

During the impeachment process, the senators were saying things like, "For my wife and my district I vote to impeach". Or, "To satisfy my colleagues, I vote to impeach". Not one mentioned corruption during the impeachment process - which is why I said that Collor wasn't impeached for corruption, as during the vote for impeachment nobody accused him of that.

As for the Communist and Socialist left wing that impeached him, that also is not quite correct because the next ELECTED president was a conservative social democrat, FHC, who is from the PSDB party - Partido Social Democrata do Brasil (Social Democratic Party of Brazil) - actually he founded the party.

Media over here is more flexible than you think. Over here the bottom line is regarded more importantly than many other things like loyalty. It would take another thread to explain how the Brazilian media works, but you can be rest assured that Lula (whose favourite delicacy is rabbit) has his 12 year old whisky well stocked up, not much water there except for which melts from the ice cubes!

His humble beginnings have been well forgotten except during election times when he plays them out to the full.

Best regards,

Steve

Originally Posted by Steven

Hi Steve. Thanks for your answers. About Collor, don't forget he was trown out of his seat by a mob of people taking the streets in Brazilia by million. It was very impressive and this movement came from the ''comunidade de base'' and the political left wing, ''communist party'' and ''workers party''. The senators were not in control in this play, but the poeple.

It happens when the rich oligarchic power in place crosses an invisible limit. This is also how the cuban revolution took place. When way too much power lies in the hands of a few and they simply share nothing back with the poeple, while the poeple are the ones who works to build the very empire that oppresses them, the awakening of a sleeping giant takes place. It might happen in the U.S. I see this country just like this. A sleeping giant who might awake due to over use of its population. This might be the very reason why we see socialism appearing in so many countries.

About the media... The media's owners don't change over the years, in whatever country. Lula is simply putting some water in is wine cup, he has not much choice, he is in ''power'' now...

Namaste, Steven