"Can you handle the truth?" about Alien abduction

[lindabaker]

If the greys are biological robots, then does that mean that if we should take one or more "out" that we would only have karma with their engineers? Like in, you destroyed my property? So, if we took out greys in our own self defense, could we just then let the karma ride and see what happens? I'm all for getting rid of any threat to our children, no questions asked. Anybody with me on that?

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by lindabaker

If the greys are biological robots, then does that mean that if we should take one or more "out" that we would only have karma with their engineers? Like in, you destroyed my property? So, if we took out greys in our own self defense, could we just then let the karma ride and see what happens? I'm all for getting rid of any threat to our children, no questions asked. Anybody with me on that?

I'm with you Anytime I hear of any kind of child abuse I get very very very ANGRY

[eleni]

As a lifelong abductee I ask how can we be sure they really are not us from the future? That was the information I have been given by them on at least 3 occasions- I realize they act deceptive but I ask honestly how can we not be sure of this?

One friend of mine suggested I read Right Use Of Will books to reclaim by lost will as he says they would not come abduct me if I regained my lost will.
So I am in the process of reading the first book.

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by eleni

As a lifelong abductee I ask how can we be sure they really are not us from the future? That was the information I have been given by them on at least 3 occasions- I realize they act deceptive but I ask honestly how can we not be sure of this?

One friend of mine suggested I read Right Use Of Will books to reclaim by lost will as he says they would not come abduct me if I regained my lost will.
So I am in the process of reading the first book.

Write it down...but don't be alone! If the writing is in wording that does not sound like yours...it's probably an implanted memory...but do not be alone..as the realization of it..may set off triggers...this is what my friend experienced

[eleni]

I stopped writing when Dr. Mack died ( I used to work with him as an abductee and some of my accounts are in his last book).

It felt like the truth 4 or so years ago when one appeared in my room and told me we are you- you are us and then turned me into one,that really did flip me out- I wonder if they have done that to other people as well.

I pretty much do not read of others abduction accounts because I don't want it to interfere with my own reasoning around it but when I read the Burisch material (yes I know many don't take Dan's account as truth and truth is maybe he was heavily influenced to believe the same- that they are us from the future) and perhaps they have even told our government that- and they too believe them- maybe they are that deceptive- yes , at times they sure seem like it.

I honestly wish we had solid answers.

[BROOK]

So this is very interesting....would lover to hear your story...but if it is too hard I understand.

Dr Mack ..wow..not many can say that!

But I still have to question the memories...as they are so good at making you forget...how hard would it be to implant a false memory? Have you questioned that? Did Dr. Mack question that?

[eleni]

Brooke- too many incidents to go into here since it's lifelong- back then as a child I would see them come through my walls or closet (usually one or 3) at night or during the day when I was playing (outside) but actual memories of what took place was not retrieved until I started working with Mack.
Mack was open to listening to the abductees experiences without coming to absolute conclusions- taking it all in and trying to sort it out later into evolving hypothesis.

They have placed me in *scenario* that may be false (2012 was one and that one occurred around 3 years ago) as well as environmental disasters (mostly ice age scenarios). I say maybe false because we don't know yet even though many allude to this. I have to wonder why they are doing this to me- is it to get the word out? Is it fear? I am not at all scared when placed in these disaster scenarios except the 2012 one did freak me out a bit because they took many on board a huge ship and actually announced it was December 21,2012- I mean come on? Are they just playing with the collective psyche?

My most recent abduction was an ice age scenario. I have had around 3 ice age scenes already.


I've been reluctant to work with anyone else since but may do so in near future (maybe Barbara Lamb).

Edited to add- I can recall a large portion of my abductions now- the actual *transport* I cannot but I know when they arrive in my room- paralyze me and then I remember a good portion of what happens after they transport me to various places. Medical procedures I do not remember at all on a conscious level. I see other people in my abductions as well.
Transport *back* I also do not remember. Numerous times they have been clumsy and *drop* me off on the floor.
I am taken astrally as well as physically although the latter appears less often.

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by eleni

Brooke- too many incidents to go into here since it's lifelong- back then as a child I would see them come through my walls or closet (usually one or 3) at night or during the day when I was playing (outside) but actual memories of what took place was not retrieved until I started working with Mack.
Mack was open to listening to the abductees experiences without coming to absolute conclusions- taking it all in and trying to sort it out later into evolving hypothesis.

They have placed me in *scenario* that may be false (2012 was one and that one occurred around 3 years ago) as well as environmental disasters (mostly ice age scenarios). I say maybe false because we don't know yet even though many allude to this. I have to wonder why they are doing this to me- is it to get the word out? Is it fear? I am not at all scared when placed in these disaster scenarios except the 2012 one did freak me out a bit because they took many on board a huge ship and actually announced it was December 21,2012- I mean come on? Are they just playing with the collective psyche?

My most recent abduction was an ice age scenario. I have had around 3 ice age scenes already.


I've been reluctant to work with anyone else since but may do so in near future (maybe Barbara Lamb).

Edited to add- I can recall a large portion of my abductions now- the actual *transport* I cannot but I know when they arrive in my room- paralyze me and then I remember a good portion of what happens after they transport me to various places. Medical procedures I do not remember at all on a conscious level. I see other people in my abductions as well.
Transport *back* I also do not remember. Numerous times they have been clumsy and *drop* me off on the floor.
I am taken astrally as well as physically although the latter appears less often.

Thank you so much for sharing this eleni. This is some very interesting information you share here...and we do appreciate it
Were any of these memories in blocks/pixel form...like my friend?

[Carol]

Hi eleni. What an interesting history you have with them. As for being from the future.. there is no time in these other dimensions and indeed they could be from the future as time travel is pretty common within our own shadow government for the past 40 years. However, they cannot alter the reality that they are insectoid hive mind 4 density beings. Humans are 5th density.. more evolved at a different level then the greys. Some greys are authentic but for the most part given other insider testimony, the fetch, carry and medical procedure of abductions is mostly handled by the droids. They are masters at mind control, blocking memories and creating screen memories so just given that i would not trust them. Being turned into a gray could have just been a screened memory to convince you to go along with their agenda. Who you know yourself to be is just that.

I can see how long time abductees exhibit the Stockholm behavior patterns. Yet other abductees still fight them even after years and years of being taken.

There is a big difference between the abductees and the contactees. It appears that many of the contactees interface with the Nordic type of aliens. Abductees primarily interface with the greys. I've read some exceptional books on various testimonies, including the late John Mack and have learned much from what was shared. I hope you choose what will work best for you and that you find what you need.

Blessings,

Carol

[BROOK]

Good points Carol...what would be the condition of the alien/human hybrid then? Would they have the same 4th density hive mind?
That boggles the mind What would the attributes of that type of alien experiment? Have you done any research in that area Carol?

That reminds me of Sanni Ceto...is she possible experiencing the "hive mind"?

[Ammit]

I have had a few thoughts since watching the Alex Collier talk. He says that we are basicly food for the reptillian race that lives under ground. That they prefer young children because they have not yet been made toxic by our way of life.

I know and have read the discussions for the swine flu vacine and what it can do to us and its " maybe " intended agenda, but could it be a way to make us all taste bad, to seriously toxify us all in a way where we are looked upon as rubbish food to try and make these ET`s leave to find a better source of food?

Could it even be that we are being used as a poison pill to try and kill these ET`s off?

Just a few thoughts...

[Carol]

Originally Posted by BROOK

Good points Carol...what would be the condition of the alien/human hybrid then? Would they have the same 4th density hive mind?
That boggles the mind What would the attributes of that type of alien experiment? Have you done any research in that area Carol?

That reminds me of Sanni Ceto...is she possible experiencing the "hive mind"?

I would think all hybrids are hive mind. As to Sanni, I would suspect that she is frequently plugged into hive mind when they are near but doubt it when they are not based on some of what she shared during her interviewed.

Next, spiritual beings do not need to put implants into humans or even use space craft to get around. They are able to travel interdimensionally just with intention. So I also suspect the military is involved with many, many abductions. Particularly if the person is from a military family as they consider someone who has signed up as having given away their rights and are the property of the government.

So it stands to reason that in a number of abductee situations the military is involved and working along side with the greys.

[BROOK]

It would stand to reason then, my friend is not dealing with the "loving" aliens as supposed in the memories recovered....interesting perspective on the military involvement as well.

[BROOK]

Now here is a twist..what if those memories were correct..and there was a genuine bond...and these were really "good" aliens...here to assist mankind in some way?

It makes one wonder.

[eleni]

I have had contact with Nordics (and a witness - my ex husband who saw them at the foot of our bed 18 years ago and got up to touch them whereby they vanished- I however was paralyzed with my eyes wide open and my ex husband could not *wake me up*. They appeared friendly to him but then again I don't exactly *trust* them either.

The greys , Nordics (whom may actually be disguised reptoids appearing to be benign entities) our secret govt. all work together.

I've had MILABs my entire life as well and in many abductions I see them all working side by side.

I think there are a lot of hypothesis on their agendas but the bottom line is we are all speculating.

One thing that was discovered with Mack was that I was *tampered with DNA wise* in utero which is unsettling because other *factions* then know and use that to their advantage- leaving one mixed up in a mess of varying agendas.

Beyond that I am not going to say more because it gets dark and I have chosen anonymity and am not likely to come forward with other details (other than K&B whom I've already spoken with so if they release it one day then more details will come out).

I am using the *clearing method* having met an ex scientologist for getting to the root of some memories and clearing them. We have not explored actual abduction memories yet except for one which was a life altering event that took place recently and this involves *the wave*.

Edited to add- I believe there are numerous factions of Nordics, other beings and greys. When I was growing up the *greys* did not appear grey to me at all- they were *moon colored* 3 feet tall and had huge heads and not the huge eyes depicted nowadays.

I see greys less frequently now (only 3 times this past summer for example) but they are taller now, their heads are not as large as they used to be and they are more *streamlined*. The older ones appeared more *biological * to me. Recent one's are more *robotic* in nature .

My children report greys who are 4 feet tall and taller.

The Nordics who stood at the foot of the bed had white *gowns* on. One appeared male while the other two I thought were also male but my ex husband felt they could have been androgynous.

edited to add;
In August 1997 the night after I had a near death experience a similar Nordic being appeared in my hallway (I was in bed and kept my door open) and the feeling I got was that *it* was checking up on me. That brings up questions for myself
because I have to wonder if these beings are put in place as part of the *system* on planet earth- the lock system, reincarnation, etc; what I am trying to say is that because these beings appear peaceful does not mean they are in the higher sense. They may still be part of a control factor and serve a higher source that many new age touting folks see as beneficial while it may be another form of deception.

[eleni]

One thing in my experiences- yes, they do implant screen memories- I am able to discern what is screen memory now cloaking themselves is a screen memory they use on me because they *know* their appearance scares the living daylights out of me) and they use other screen memories as well (one was a trick liquid- the only liquid/substance I ever remember them giving me) and it was disguised to look like Chinese herbal medicine which they know I use on almost daily basis.
Sounds odd but that was done this summer once after a genetic procedure.

I say they *know* because I assume they do and use this to their advantage.

[BROOK]

This is amazing information you bring to the table eleni...thank you again for having the courage to share what you can

[Carol]

Originally Posted by eleni

One thing in my experiences- yes, they do implant screen memories- I am able to discern what is screen memory now cloaking themselves is a screen memory they use on me because they *know* their appearance scares the living daylights out of me) and they use other screen memories as well (one was a trick liquid- the only liquid/substance I ever remember them giving me) and it was disguised to look like Chinese herbal medicine which they know I use on almost daily basis.
Sounds odd but that was done this summer once after a genetic procedure.

I say they *know* because I assume they do and use this to their advantage.

eleni,

Thank you so much for sharing this. Your testimony coincides with other reports that I have read and I don't trust the Nordics either. They greys primarily work under the reptilians who suposedly work under the Nordics. At least that is what has been reported from other abductees and that all 3 do appear to be working together.

It would stand to reason they would watch over you as you are one of their "lab" experiments and they aren't about to see you come to a dead end if they can help it. There are also numerous reports of abductees having similar experiences where their lives have been spared (either in combat situations or with serious health problems). I don't see this as any different then a caretaker watching over their charge.

From other abductee reports the Nordics tend to be more visible to the calmer personality type whereas the greys and reptilians interact quite a bit with the warrior type of personality. The greys also interact a lot with the children.

In my own limited telepathic experience I realized that they were trapped in the lower spiritual dimensions and did not have access to the upper spiritual levels. Did you know that when you touch a being from a higher spiritual dimension that it pulls you into their vibrational frequency? I had such an experience once and during my one alien telepathic connection they were probing to discover what I knew. When they uncovered that particular memory they could only uncover the 3rd dimension emotional response but could not duplicate the higher spiritual frequency that I actually experienced. At that point I laughed at them and told them they would have to do better then that and then knew their limitation.

I can see where people would become confused and mistake the release of serotonin that they stimulate, as to thinking these particular alien encounters have a god-like element. However, it is but a mere shadow of an authentic transcendental experience. However, during my experience with them they did release a past life memory which had me laughing as I was between lives preparing for this one and had the recall of who I had really been prior to this incarnation. It was a hoot and still has me laughing to this day. I will add that I did enjoy that particular encounter as it was sudden, unexpected and there was no abduction then or since. I have no history of missing time.

From a clinical perspective, I also view the serotonin europhic rush as something similar to an alcoholic getting their first drink.. meaning it has a seductive, addictive quality much like one experiences when on MDMA. The after effects can last for several days and it is no wonder those abductees who have subcumb to the Stockholm syndromn look forward to being taken. The serotonin rush along with being connected up with the "hive" mind is a biochemical and emotional high. Those who have missed out on having authentical spiritual experiences with a being from the higher dimension would easily be fooled and mistake this type of experience as authentic spiritual encounter (as some contactees have identified with the Nordics).

The point being.. if they were really out to benefit humankind they would ask, not take. They would inform, not misinform and they would allow full consciousness and memory to remain intact without being suppressed or altered.

When interacting with higher dimensional beings the experience is transformative. With these 4th density beings the experience is often traumatic. Subsequently, I don't really trust the greys, reptilians or the Nordic species. There may be some in each of these groups who are more evolved spiritually but for the most part - in the most general terms.. it is a shell game.

I think one of the most significant things Bob Dean shared was that there are numerous groups of aliens on this planet all with different agendas. This is what makes it so confusing for those on the outside looking in and for those who are taken and have screened memories.

Jim Sparks is an example of someone having been conditioned. However, Sleeper, Lou Baldwin, is an example of a human hybrid. He has consciousness of being brought to this planet and being placed in his human body as a baby. He also has memories of other lives as an alien but this is where it can get confusing.

I think the key element, irrespective of what race an individual is (human, grey, Nordic, etc) is the intent of the individual with respect to their interactions and behavior extended toward another being of the same or another species. If kindness, mutual respect and integrity are present then it is likely to be a positive experience of mutual benefit.

In addition, I'm aware that these other ET races mental capability far outstrip current human capabiltiy and can easily put a human into psychological overload triggering the fight or flight syndromn and/or just plain going into a mental fugue (shutting down). I know for myself after my telepathic contact when I felt them present (nearby), the initial emotional response was fear which ended up making me very angry as I refuse to be afraid. Since that time, I've talked with other abductees and always the fear element is predominent where some of these people sleep with the lights on and guns under their bed.

If these beings who kidnap humans from the scantity of their own home were of good intent, they would not do this in the first place - nor would they use implants. It is because of what they do and how they do it I think of them as evil (spiritually unevolved as compared to the spiritual masters on this planet who know intrinsically it is wrong to knowingly hurt the heart of another). Stealing genetic material, creating hybrids and using human bodies as incubators isn't any different then treating a human spiritaul being like a cow or a lab rat.

I still think their underlying agenda is for their own purpose and not humankind. I strongly syspect that some abductees who have been indoctrinated by these aliens will likely and willingly go along with their plans, but as I see it, these people are still slaves and not free to choose.

With respect to human evolution, IMPO humans must grow beyond being governed and emotionally dependent (having someone tell them what to do or what to think) toward becoming self-governing. By becoming self-governing one takes full responsibility for their beingness and their intention. When everyone becomes self-governing then they have moved beyond trying to dominate or control another and toward what it means to work together in harmony and accord.

Anyway, thank you again for your sharing part of your story with us.

Blessings to you and yours,

Carol

[BROOK]

Wow Carol...thanks for this..this is what I was searching for in the way of answers. And I had just about all those questions

Thanks Girlfriend

[Noela]

RedeZra - Thanks for the link to Joe Jordan -"Unholy communion".

I couldn't get the video to play - but it is also available on YouTube,
and led me to the July 2009 Christian Symposium on Aliens.
Very interesting. Thank you.

[RedeZra]

Great Noela you found it on youtube

I think adobe flash player is needed for the link i put up

...

Who comes by the cover of nights

to abduct and possess

if not the

boogeyman



call it

nordic grey reptilian

whatever

it is what it is

and it is

no good