Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ?

[mudra]

Thank you Artvision .
Lots to work on there.
This will take some time.

I am off now to the UK for a week.

Keep the thread burning friends.
Do well.

loving kindness
mudra

[artvision]

Originally Posted by mudra

Thank you Artvision .
Lots to work on there.
This will take some time.

I am off now to the UK for a week.

Keep the thread burning friends.
Do well.

loving kindness
mudra

Bye, Mudra, have a nice trip! All the best!

[BROOK]

TtC...no more pm's please..I am not going to open it. Mudra said you would present us your vision, and answer any questions I have.
Respectfully Ttc, and giving you the benefit of the doubt..I don't want any more PM's from you...it's either here for all to see, or your silence will be your answer.

[mudra]

Originally Posted by Oliver

Good. Now we are inpatiently expecting the TtC and Northern Boy proposals and drafts, so we can analyze and compare all of the proposals given so far. If there are common elements, we could start to establish them as recommendation patterns, untill we get some whole possible structure of the RZ community.

Respect

I think you meant to say " Northern Sanctuary "

Loving kindness
mudra

[Oliver]

Yes. Sorry.

[mudra]

A Message from the Crows

March 9, 2009

This morning, a crow flew by and landed in the apple tree out back. I felt it was a sign. As I was leaving the house heading to the chapel, several crows were having what I call “caw-versations” in the trees around the house. I sensed this was a sign. I was standing on the platform waiting for the metro train, when a crow landed on the station sign about 50 feet away. I knew this was a sign…

Arriving at the Elder’s Cabin, I sat on the front porch. Sitting. Sensing. Listening. Waiting. Smiling. The Elder’s came out of the cabin and sat with me on the front porch. From behind me, one of them said, “You got our message, we see.” I laughed, “Crows from you are the equivalent of e-mails, instant messages and texting. Yes, I got the message.” We all laughed.

The Elder of Air asked, “What do crows symbolize for you?” I sat, looking out into the land, listening. “Ancestors; flying into the unknown, yet knowing my way; and fearless, yet cautious.” Those words seem to flow from my mouth, effortlessly. The Elder of Earth, smirking, said, “So Crowwman [this name given to me years ago by one of my teachers], what does the crow tell you about you in this moment?” I replied, “Knowing and remembering my connection with the ancestors as I fly into the unknown, yet knowing my way, being fearless yet cautious.” I felt a sense of power and strength as I spoke those words. Fearless, yet cautious…I can see that in myself…sometimes. I continued sitting on the porch, being in company with the Elders.

“You are embarking on a new journey, a whole new world, into the unknown with a knowing. And it feels, as you describe it, weighty. What you are experiencing, honor that,” from the Elder of Water. “Honor it. Respect it. Honor you.”

The Elder of Earth spoke, “As you climb the mountain, you cannot see the mountain in its entirety. You only see that part that is around you. Even when you reach the top, you still cannot see the fullness of the mountain. Only when you are away from the mountain, a distance away, only then can you appreciate the whole experience. Right now you are climbing the mountain and seeing only what is around you. That is okay. Honor where you are now.”

The Elder of Air said, “Young old man, as I connect to your heart, I do not sense fear of what is being asked of you. I do not sense fear at all. You need to connect to your heart and allow that energy to guide you. And remember that she guided you to breathe in ‘the light’ into your heart. Now allow the light to feed your spirit.”

“Young old man, be well, be gentle and be in the knowing of love,” said the Elder of Earth.

All of them went back into the cabin. I stayed on the front porch. I wanted to breathe in the mountain air, take in the scenery and ingest the energy, wisdom and love they shared.

This evening, I walked home and saw two crows sitting in the big tree in the backyard. I smiled a “thank you” smile to the Elders.

http://www.intent.com/blog/2009/03/0...-message-crows

[rhythm]

When we take things

pesonaly

there is usualy suffering

and allways

lessons being learnt...

be free

and react not

learn and grow

in service to the one

forget about yourself ..


and remember ...

do we need to be right

respect and listen

agree to disagree

win and lose ?

right and wrong ?

put a little love in your heart ..

one love ....

[mudra]

Only in love are unity and duality not in conflict.

~ Rabindranath Tagore

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=15149

Loving kindness

mudra

[mudra]

Originally Posted by rhythm

When we take things

pesonaly

there is usualy suffering

and allways

lessons being learnt...

be free

and react not

learn and grow

in service to the one

forget about yourself ..


and remember ...

do we need to be right

respect and listen

agree to disagree

win and lose ?

right and wrong ?

put a little love in your heart ..

one love ....

Thank you Rhythm very well said

Love from me
mudra

[Oliver]

Rhythm:"... be free and react not..."

My deep bow to your Wisdom and Love, Rhythm.

[mudra]

We are all longing to go home to some place we have never been — a place half-remembered and half-envisioned we can only catch glimpses of from time to time. Community. Somewhere, there are people to whom we can speak with passion without having the words catch in our throats. Somewhere a circle of hands will open to receive us, eyes will light up as we enter, voices will celebrate with us whenever we come into our own power. Community means strength that joins our strength to do the work that needs to be done. Arms to hold us when we falter. A circle of healing. A circle of friends. Someplace where we can be free.

Starhawk

Loving kindness
mudra

[Northern Boy]

Originally Posted by Oliver

Good. Now we are inpatiently expecting the TtC and Northern Boy proposals and drafts, so we can analyze and compare all of the proposals given so far. If there are common elements, we could start to establish them as recommendation patterns, untill we get some whole possible structure of the RZ community.

Respect

Wrong Northern .......... Northern Sanctuary

[mudra]

Originally Posted by BROOK

Since you wanted to link this thread with the proposition thread...I had a response...here it is

Brook I don't see the reason you are posting this here.
This thread is not linked to the " proposition " thread.
Your post in not relevant here .

Loving kindness
mudra

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by mudra

Brook I don't see the reason you are posting this here.
This thread is not linked to the " proposition " thread.
Your post in not relevant here .

Loving kindness
mudra

This is why Mudra...


No not at all dear..
But TtC is now with us on that thread I opened.
This will allow a wider public to be informed of where
we are up to as regard communities.
Hopefully he can have a new chance to put his proposition across.
He is a fine man.Has a lot to offer and really deserves
to be listened to .

Loving kindness
mudra





you have put your stamp of approval on this Indigo boy who cannot speak for himself...but wants people to trust in him without giving the one simple thing we all want to hear from him....

If he does not believe in the things we are all worried might come about..or a NWO....again I have to ask and keep having to ask..but get no answer...and I believe he does need to speak for himself...

tTc...what is your vision for this you seek to build?

[mudra]

Originally Posted by BROOK

This is why Mudra...


No not at all dear..
But TtC is now with us on that thread I opened.
This will allow a wider public to be informed of where
we are up to as regard communities.
Hopefully he can have a new chance to put his proposition across.
He is a fine man.Has a lot to offer and really deserves
to be listened to .

Loving kindness
mudra

I understand now Brook. Thank you for clarification.

TtC is here on this thread on the same grounds as are all other persons working at the moment at building communities as Gio, Carmen, Artvision, NorthernSanctuary, wormhole...etc..

[/quote]you have put your stamp of approval on this Indigo boy who cannot speak for himself...but wants people to trust in him without giving the one simple thing we all want to hear from him....[/quote]

I have spoken to TtC two times in life conversations. He clearly laid out the vision he has of the communities he wants to build. He answered to my questions without any problem. I find him a decent young man that knows where he goes , has given it deep thought and has the assets to stand for his vision. I don't see any reason he should'nt be given a chance to speak as all others already here and the future ones to come.

I asked him to make a statement of his vision and to post it here. This should be done shortly so all know what it is about. I totally agree with you Brook that this is an important step and must be made for the purpose of clarity and to close the door to speculations.
He will then and is already answering genuine questions that people interested may have through life conversations. I think this is decent enough .


If he does not believe in the things we are all worried might come about..or a NWO....again I have to ask and keep having to ask..but get no answer...and I believe he does need to speak for himself...

I don't think we are " all " worried about what might come as cataclysms or NWO. I do understand those that are but I personnally am not afraid and do not hold any pessimistic visions .As you say these are " might come " . I believe it's just the same for him. He is just looking to a better way of life for all and his proposal stands along these guide lines.

I believe it would be in the interest of all that the two of you talk and clear whatever got you untangled. I know your Brook .I know all you have done in Avalon. There is nothing you have to prove or defend there.The light you brought stands on its own.
My personnal feelings are that the position you have today as regard TtC might be based on profound misunderstanding. He has responsability in the course it took as you have your own.

Also lays in both your hands the fact that you can bring it to a higher and more constructive echelon .
There is no happiness to be find in conflict but great joy comes when love and understanding are applied to matters .
If we want to build a better future , a new world we have to start this between each other.It can only be positive to everyone .

Would you be willing to do so ?

Loving kindness
mudra

[BROOK]

I don't think we are " all " worried about what might come as cataclysms or NWO. I do understand those that are but I personnally am not afraid and do not hold any pessimistic visions .As you say these are " might come " . I believe it's just the same for him. He is just looking to a better way of life for all and his proposal stands along these guide lines.

I agree Mudra...however..a mixed message from TtC tells me that the use of the word "safe zones" tells one thing as he as stated in the above post...

I will be setting up safe zones in many other states including KY, OH, GA, WA, ID, CO, AB, BC, ON, and the original one in MT. There will be one in Argentina and Brazil as well, come the semi-near future. I will also be buying houses across the globe as a network of safe houses for travelers to lodge at while abroad.

I will say one thing: do not rush your plans as insecurity can be disastrous. One weak link in the chain can mean life or death.

And he has again expressed something quite different to me.
The Original one in Montana..is of importance..as that was found to be the largest oil find in North America...and what better way to get the drilling started, but to develope the roads, provide housing to the drillers, and set things up..this was my first thought when I came across this..but it is only speculation on my part...and once the set up is finished...out ya go..this is my worry and caution.

However I know this is not the intention of all of the people involved in setting up radient zones..and their intention is honorable. When asked for spicifics...the questions were vague and ambiguous at most...and the questions still exist today.


Would you be willing to do so ?

Certainly...as long as the questions are actually answered. I won't be swayed by statements such as "I cannot create in someone else's reality"...that is not an answer...you ask a queston..you should get an answer...if the answer does not make sense, clarify it make it clear the intent ...

So I am waiting ...to hear of this vision...and dialogue of a respectable manner will insue...No games..just plain talk. Right here, right now...not in some off base place, but for everyone here to see, so their unanswered questions can be answered as well

[mudra]

Thank you Brook .
I trust the matter will clear up.
All it takes is good will from all parties.

Let's keep the focus on love, respect and understanding.

Loving kindness
mudra

[WinterWolf]

I have not made any personal
attacks against you. My Comments ya on Darwinism, fearmongering,etc were just that. Comments. From your previous posts above what you have been speaking about did sound like Darwinism. ( Damn. Precious was supposed to be previous. typing on one's phone sucks at times. I have updated precious to previous).

A personsal attack would be me calling you for example a dumb idiot or
something.

I don't have time to address everything as I am at work.

Exposing my mask? What mask? I pose a bunch of questions and your replies are pretty much all alike.

My Wow to higher IQ was my amazement that you even brought Intelligence and religion in this. I am still shaking my head at that.

I'm not surprised at being openly attacked now. Ask enough irritating questions about what is going on and you get attacked.

I admire your determination to make me look bad. Good on you sport.

Gotta love it as now I am the fear mongerer. My co-workers are looking at me funny as I am laughing so hard.

Read some of the PDF stuff. I thought it was interesting.

Nannying people? Nah. Just shining a bug spotlight on things to see what is scurrying around. People can make their own informed choices from te resultant discourse. What I am doing is to generate discourse whether you like what is being asked.

Follow me trance like huh? I'd tell you to get lost. I don't need or want anyone to follow me around.

Matching my aggressiveness? Wow I didn't know I was being aggressive. Are you just a tad sensitive and touchy?

Biting rock? Herding sheep? Mmkay. If you say so.

Just how many times do you want me to say all I am doing is creating discourse and to present a dissenting view?

If all you have are yes people telling you what you want to hear, you leave yourself open to problems later if you do.

Lone wolf. Me? Laughable.

Do go hi five your buddies and pat yourself on the back as if you won something.

I didn't know I had a mask to expose. Damn. I better go hide and cower in the corner now.

Backing down? No just disgusted by the same rhetoric over and over and over again. I don't see the point in continuing.

Winter Wolf

Originally Posted by artvision

Wow. So now I am living in my own world? Do you resort to personal attacks when you can't think of anything better to say?

No, WinterWolf, I resort at personal attackes as much as you did.
Did you already forget the qulificatives of "darwinist", "hysteric" and "fear mongering"? Just look tree posts upstairs, in your comments. Seem very easy forgeting when is about you!

Talking to higher IQ people. Wow.

Look even you don't consider myself as higher IQ, is OK, it is only 131 on Tickle's IQ test, yes, not seems matching the reality as long as I'm answering you. You guessed, I'm sure, with your top IQ, that I'm continuing to answer just for the respect I have for this forum and for the people here you are not getting tired to mock and offend.

I laughed so hard at this entire post that I almost snorted my orange juice while I was drinking it and reading this.

It is your business that you laughed so hard, is good for the health, but anyway you didn't share with us what's your reasons for such laugh, as much as all discussion before you get with the boots in, seems very constructive and serious. No fun there. You just started with warnings, take care, so on so.. like people here are 5 years old and need a nanny to tell them how to behave. Not only that, but the people trying to contribute something, you make them indirectly, fear mongers and hysterics. I'm wondering what should we do, just you not laugh? Maybe to devour fascinated and in trance-like, your words of wisdom? Would then you more appreciated us? Or maybe then you would have been laugh snorting a barrel of orange juice, not only a glass, as you say. As a survival advice for you: when you read avalon forum, refrain from drinking liquids, seems very dangerous for your health

I have dealt with you with respect and you attack me. That's really good of you. I should give you a gold star.

Your comment on you are all far from the Jim Jones fall out right now. So are you saying there is potential for it?

Have you even read anything about Jonestown and the Agricultural Project? It all started out well and then descended into madness.

The respect you are talking about, from your word seems a vesuvius, but when you look in your posts, is very subtle to the point of not be detected; at least with our brains of low IQ, which you laugh at. This issue with Jonestown and with religious sects, seems far fetched for me to bring in discussion alegedly of what we have been spoken up to now, I think that you brought just you be able to fear mongering and intimidate more sensible persons here. This is the only reason you brought that subject! Seems you weren't interested in the topic per se. Be truthful with us and tell if you even have the curiosity to open the pdf with the visual chart of the Radiant Zones? If someone asks me, I would tell him, you didn't. Sorry if I'm wrong, but from what you said up to now, for me, didn't seemed has the slightest relation with topic, nicely brought by Mudra, wish to thank with this occasion.

I speak of caution for anyone who decides to join any community with the greatest of intentions.

Here's the nanny pitch again!

It isn't for me to decide for the viewers. All I am doing is putting in dissenting views to try and get total transparency on the Radiant Zone.

From your post, seem contrary with your affirmation, seems you want to decide. What to follow, what not worth follow; what is of good value, what is theoretical and so on...If your dissenting views relate with posting people's IQ, and people bilk others money, maybe you are right. When is about Radiant Zone, I didn't remain with some idea from you.

I am done with this whole debacle. You insult my intelligence and me with thus rhetoric.

Me too. Seems that when you see someone is matching your agresivity and is not intimidate easily, you decide to stop the fight and snickely attack somother time, when the ocassion is right. I'm sure you will say no, to that!

Honestly I do not think you even know what I am about or am doing. I don't even know why I even bothered to lower my spiritual energy to match most on the board for...

Great, how yourself get the mask off from your face. Up to here you were nannying us, supposedly because of care for us, the poor people, maybe sheeple, you consider us, almost be hoarded by a virtual Avalonic Jim Jones, or a Koresh Lider Maximo, but now that you see you bite on rock, you back off.

The Mods can feel free to ban me if they like. Then again those who are following this thread will see that anyone playing devil's advocate or simply wishing to present a different view for fact finding will just be punished.

I think that as long this is the opinion of people here and of forum, they not banning you nor anyone else at least we maintain a decent tone, even we criticize some ideas, behavior or sometime peoples. Why, because we are not perfect beings and we have our pride, ego, selfishness, or instinct of survival. But this with moderation. Thank you for your feedback, really I appreciate even is more criticism in it, because there wouldn't be good, without existence of evil (not related with our discussion here)

Winter Wolf in service to the Creator.

I will end also this debate, because didn't advance the RZ issues, but talking too much to/about wolves here in the thread, I'm afraid not ending as a Lone Wolf!



[/COLOR]

Agree with you for the saying, but here it was not the case, anybody leading anybody. We are all mature, well seasoned people, with our heads on our shoulders and I didn't feel somebody lead other to something, though a guidance should be in place, just for not loosing the final aim. Which I feel we start to loose. Therefore I kindly ask people start contributing, first to create the guiding lines of what we need to cover and then flesh it out with proper information rather than open philosophical dilemmas which were not solved for thousands of years before us, by even brighter beings that may have been existed up to now.

What do you say people?

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[artvision]

Originally Posted by WinterWolf

I have not made any personal
attacks against you. My Comments ya on Darwinism, fearmongering,etc were just that. Comments. From your precious posts above what you have been speaking about did sound like Darwinism.

A peronsal attack would be me calling you for example a dumb idiot or
something.

I don't have time to address everything as I am at work.

Exposing my mask? What mask? I pose a bunch of questions and your replies are pretty much all alike.

My Wow to higher IQ was m amazement that you even brought Intelligence and religion in this. I am still shaking my head at that.

I'm not surprised at being openly attacked now. Ask enough irritating questions about what is going on and you get attacked.

I admire your determination to make me look bad. Good on you sport.

Gotta love it as now I am the fear mongerer. My co-workers are looking at me funny as I am laughing so hard.

Read some of the PDF stuff. I thought it was interesting.

Nannying people? Nah. Just shining a bug spotlight on thngs to see what is scurrying around. People can make their own informed choices from te resultant discourse. What I am doing is to generate discourse whether you like what is being asked.

Follow me trance like huh? I'd tell you to get lost. I don't need or want anyone to follow me around.

Matching my agressiveness? Wow I didn't know I was being agressiveness. Are you just a tad sensitive and touchy?

Biting rock? Herding sheep? Mmkay. If you say so.

Just how many times do you want me to say all I am doing is creatng discourse and to present a dissenting view?

If all you have are yes people telling you what you want to hear, you leave yourself open to problems later if you do.

Lone wolf. Me? Laughable.

Do go hi five your buddies and pat yourself on the back as if you won something.

I didn't know I had a mask to expose. Damn. I better go hide and cower in the corner now.

Backing down? No just disgusted by the same rhetoric over and over and over again. I don't see the point in continuing.

Winter Wolf

Look Winterwolf, I didn't reffer to you, I said that by debating so much with you, i will be the black sheep, so in other words the Lone Wolf, just because people tend to put distance between them and fight-full people, the Lone Wolf was not about you!

Is ok you laugh about, no problem we need to laugh a bit, because life is very tense for us...

I didn't want attack you or anything, maybe I didn't quite understand your words entirely and yes you are right I'm touchy lately, sorry for that also my wife is complaining sometime.

Let's forget this nonsense and if you read what I wrote and find interesting, well, I will try to make it as an outliner, in text form. I do not want to insist, but because I saw here people speaking about meditation, I tried to come into help, you know, you can put these maps on a paper and mediate on it.

Sorry it was maybe silly from my side, as I should bring the normal text form for information. I'm working on that and after finishing I put here on this thread.

Wish you all the best and I told you that I respect people have no same ideas as me. If everybody would have same ideas, from where to come evolution? Right?

All the best for you!

[jazzgad]

Hi there
I m not the sharpest tool in the box but when Universe is bent to tell me something
I will eventually get it .
Yesterday driving to vacation place with my family ,place (Warren Dunes ,MI) where I m almost every year
By way of some kind of spacey mind I lost myself 4 times taking instead of East directions
The West way ….I could not explain it yesterday, today it seams that I need to head West .
It is time
,so I have been treading water for last
2,3 years staying in the middle of current in the river of life but
not exerting myself ether .( after 8 years in massage therapy field last two working as a
care giver for an elderly with Alzheimer ) but it is time to forget the perks of having one of the last
steady jobs and leave the big city of Chicago before not in the middle of SHTF

if there is radiant zone west of Chicago ( probably way West )
that have space for me my wife and new born baby
(due date is in 3 weeks ) please let me know ,I will work hard in your community
For the room and food and safety of like minded creating positive vibrations human beings
That are becoming a new multidimensional species faster and faster everyday.

[TtC]

Jazzgad:

I have one in progress in Montana. Contact me if you want more info. Also look at the Proposal post first.

[artvision]

Quote from:
http://www.survivalblog.com/2009/07/...reat_less.html

==============================================
In hindsight, we should have:

1. Developed a project plan that listed all of the projects, broken down by tasks, assigned priorities, and most importantly, had sufficient resources allocated to them.

2. Defined up front who does what, when & how, and who pays for what. It should also include consequences for failure to live up to expectations.

3. Agreed upon a code of conduct with everyone pledging to uphold it. Even to the point of having everyone sign a symbolic contract.

4. Had a formal schedule with built in breaks (rotating weekends off or something).

5. Had everyone on the same page as to the sense of urgency. Nothing gets done if everyone has different ideas of how important what you’re doing is.

Lastly, the most important lesson learned. Preparedness doesn’t come in a box. It comes from hard work, from getting your hands dirty, and teaching yourself new skills. There’s a lot of trial and error and the important thing is to not give up even when everyone around you is letting you down. Preparedness comes from time. Time learning and practicing. While this experience has been a complete failure, at least we learned what not to do as we plan out our next attempt.

Thank the Lord that my family still believes in me and what we need to do. Wish us luck.

[artvision]

Dears,

I finalized to read that book, I told about a few post before, that of the Inuaki being that have been born in a Romanian child called David and is brought to a child shrink by his mother.

And that child telling a number of mind boggling things, not only that, but to convince he is who says it is, is telling to the lady shrink what happened at her home in some intimate moments of hers, that nobody could have known or find out. The doctoress is really touched and impressed of the advanced knowledges of 5 years boy.

So, in the final, he told that Romania has a spiritual mission for the entire world, that here the Al Mighty God decided the Second coming, and the child has been allowed to say that there is already an old man, who's job is that of John the Baptist, in the sense of announcing and that the God Being will enter into the body of an already existing person living in Romania and that is set, when God entering in that person is entering simultaneously in many other people.

Of course, this kind of informations cannot be considered as proofs nor judged same way. For this one someone should feel with his heart and I'm scared, that if it will be truth, what great responsability is on our head.

And to be sincere, we are not the purest, not most correct or other such qualities on the Earth. It has been said that for the sake of the ancestors (not because of us, I'm relieved)

I do not know what to think of that story, but something strange I sometime can feel. I observed something very strange (guys I'm a feet on earth guy, you could noticed, by exact lists I made, etc) I observed last spring when walking to the park that it was a smell coming from heaven, the birds were chirping and the pigeons were coming to me! Really they weren't afraid, I could've c by my hand I would want that. Never they came close to people in that spot, because they are somehow wild. Another places total wild field sparrows and magpies that are wild birds come near to me, like to touch them, weren't afraid anymore, and that was a sensation of warmth and emotional vibration as the nature was surrounding me. I didn't feel that form the 1989 revolution, when in the middle of January the tree have been blossomed. In my country and town it is quite cold in winter, snowing etc.

Really I do not know what is that?

[NorthernSanctuary]

http://www.survivalblog.com/2009/07/...reat_less.html

Good post to learn from.

[Luminari]

Hi everyone, sorry to come in at such a late stage to this thread.

For anyone interested here is the site for the community american Ivan Stein is setting up in the Australian Outback (near Alice Springs):
http://timeline2012.org/page/overview-1

Phase I includes the following:

1) Acquisition of a facility in Australia which is large enough to support the living and working environment for the planning and development efforts.

2) Interview and selection of the core committee members.

3) Committee members are relocated to the planning and development facility.

4) These members and/or their families embody the beliefs and lifestyle that are the foundation for the entire Timeline 2012 community project.

5) Life at this facility is a communal environment with everyone living and working under the same roof.

6) These members are assigned to various committees based on their interest and expertise in the planning and development process.

7) The committees establish all plans and guidelines for the community including: a development plan; lists of items to be purchased; and are ultimately responsible for overseeing and implementing the development plan.

8) The planning phase for the Timeline 2012 community is projected to be completed in early 2010.


If you haven't seen Ivan's Positive Manifestation Workshops you are in for a treat.


My uncle was going to sell his house and join this community until he found out that he couldn't bring his beloved dog + cat (he used to own a pet store).
So there are many rules that you need to agree to in this situation, may suit some people but not everyone.


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I'd also like to recommend watching some DVDs from (editor of the Ringing Cedars Of Russia books english translations) Dr Leo Sharashkin.

I have all of these ones and they are excellent:

• Reconnecting to Nature through Spiritual Permaculture
  
• Ancient Roots, Modern Shoots:
  Seeing your Natural Environment as an Extension of Your Self
  
• Creating Your Space of Love: The Road Home
  
• The Return of Anastasia

http://www.ringingcedars.com/store/