Is Vegan/Vegetarian an Illuminati Deception?

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Karen

You can make a salad dressing with raw eggs. And I will see if I can fetch the link from the very excellent http://mercola.com site on how to make sure the eggs are safe to eat raw.

What a team player you are, Karen! Thank you.

Originally Posted by Karen

From what I can tell, as long as you include dairy, or eggs or fish, or even insects to get you the fat-soluble nutrients that are not present in plants, I don't have as much concern.

Is the crux of the problem whether or not you get fat-soluble nutrients in your diet, rather than enough, and complete (all the amino acids) protein in your diet?

[Karen]

"Raw Eggs for Your Health -- Major Update

By J. Mercola, D.O.
As many of you know, I am a fond proponent of using raw eggs as a major food in your diet.
Raw whole eggs are a phenomenally inexpensive and incredible source of high-quality nutrients that many of us are deficient in, especially high-quality protein and fat.
Eggs generally are one of the most allergic foods that are eaten, but I believe this is because they are cooked. If one consumes the eggs in their raw state the incidence of egg allergy virtually disappears. Heating the egg protein actually changes its chemical shape, and the distortion can easily lead to allergies.
So, if you have not been able to tolerate eggs before you will want to consider eating them uncooked.
But when one discusses raw eggs, the typical reaction is a fear of salmonella. So let me begin this update, my first that comprehensively addresses the immediate concern of nearly everyone who hears this recommendation."
"Well What About Salmonella? Won't I Get Sick If I Eat Raw Eggs?"

Continue reading here and if you get a prompt to sign up for the newsletter, it's a good one. If you don't get the prompt I would like to know either way what is happening with the mercola links I post. Thanks.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...-part-two.aspx

Edit: more mercola raw egg articles here:
http://search.mercola.com/results.aspx?k=raw%20egg

[Karen]

Dr. Price's book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration was written in the 1930's, copyright 1939.

Excerpts from chapter 16.
http://journeytoforever.org/farm_lib...e/price16.html
Primitive control of dental caries

"We may divide the primitive racial stocks into groups, classified according to the physical environment in which they are living and the manner in which the environment largely controls their available foods. It is significant that I have as yet found no group that was building and maintaining good bodies exclusively on plant foods. A number of groups are endeavoring to do so with marked evidence of failure. The variety of animal foods available has varied widely in some groups, and been limited among others. "

" Vitamin D is not found in plants, but must be sought in an animal food. The dietaries of the efficient primitive racial stocks may be divided into groups on this basis: in the first place those obtaining their fatsoluble activators, which include the known fat-soluble vitamins, from efficient dairy products. This includes the Swiss in the high Alps, the Arabs (using camel's milk), and the Asiatic races (using milk of sheep and musk ox). In the second place there are those using liberally the organs of animals, and the eggs of birds, wild and domesticated. These include the Indians of the far North, the buffalo hunting Plains Indians and the Andean tribes. In the third place there are those using liberally animal life of the sea. These include Pacific Islanders and coastal tribes throughout the world. In the fourth place there are those using small animals and insects. These include the Australian Aborigines in the interior, and the African tribes in the interior."

"Still another problem confronts us, i.e., the sources of fatsoluble activators indicated above, namely: dairy products, organs of animals and sea foods, may vary through a wide range in their content of the fat-soluble activators or vitamins, depending upon the nutrition available for the animals. Cows fed on third grade hay, too low in carotene, not only cannot produce strong calves but their milk will not keep healthy calves alive. (Chapter 18.)"

"Since 1927, I have been analyzing samples of dairy products, chiefly butter, from several parts of the world for their vitamin content. These samples are received every two to four weeks from the same places, usually for several years. They all show a seasonal rise and fall in vitamin content. The high level is always associated with the use of rapidly growing young plant food. This tide in plant life, fluctuating with the seasons, controlled the migration of the buffalo southward in the autumn and winter and northward in the spring. They moved at the rate of about twelve miles per day, travelling with the sun in order to provide the highest-vitamin milk for the young calves born in the south. No doubt these tides in nutrition control also the migration of birds. By far the most efficient plant food that I have found for producing the high-vitamin content in milk is rapidly growing young wheat and rye grass. Oat and barley grass are also excellent. In my clinical work small additions of this high-vitamin butter to otherwise satisfactory diets regularly checks tooth decay when active and at the same time improves vitality and general health."

"Similarly the value of eggs for providing fat-soluble vitamins depends directly upon the food eaten by the fowl. The fertility of the eggs also is a direct measure of the vitamin content, including vitamin E."

"Since the sea foods are, as a group, so valuable a source of the fatsoluble activators, they have been found to be efficient throughout the world not only for controlling tooth decay, but for producing a human stock of high vitality. Unfortunately the cost of transportation in the fresh state often constitutes a factor limiting distribution. Many of the primitive races preserved the food value, including vitamins, very efficiently by drying the fish. While our modern system of canning prevents decomposition, it does not efficiently preserve some of the fatsoluble activators, particularly vitamin A."

[Karen]

Chapter 17
One origin of physical deformities
http://journeytoforever.org/farm_lib...e/price17.html


FIG. 100. Disturbed heredity. Above, father a primitive coastal Indian of Peru with normal facial and dental arch development. Son at right presents distortions of both facial and dental arch form. Below, father a primitive Andean Indian with excellent facial and dental arch form. His son at right has not reproduced the racial pattern. Both sons are full blood.



Fig. 102, two sisters and two brothers. In each pair there is a marked change in the facial form of the younger. The arches and the nostrils of the younger child are narrower and there is a marked lack of development in both the middle and lower thirds of the face. ... These families demonstrate a lowering of reproductive capacity of the parents with the later born children.

Two serious defects from which many individuals in our modernized civilization suffer are impacted teeth and the absence of teeth due to their failure to develop. It is significant that in the arches of the primitive races practically all teeth form and erupt normally, including the third molars. In the modernized primitives and among our modern whites with deformed dental arches many teeth are impacted and often several of the permanent teeth have never formed. The evidence indicates that this, like the facial and dental arch deformities is due to an absence of vitamin A in the diet of the mother during the gestation period or of one or both of the parents prior to conception. The cause is discussed in the next chapter.

[Karen]

People are often asking what is missing from a vegan diet, as many believe that ANYONE can be perfectly healthy eating vegan. Vegan means no animal products at all including eggs and milk. I think as long as you include eggs and/or milk the threats to health are vastly diminished.

Here's something about that from C. Norman Shealy, M.D., Ph.D.

VEGAN, LACTO-VEGETARIAN & LACTO-OVO VEGETARIAN NUTRITION (C)

All raw and all vegetarian diets have been fads pushed by many people. One Canadian
back in the 70's insisted on all raw because it prevented cancer. He died of prostate
cancer and, yes, monkeys do get cancer. Indeed even cacti get cancer!
Ellen G. White, founder of Seventh Day Adventism, and a phenomenal prophet, emphasized a lacto-ovo vegetarian diet. BUT she warned that when you are ill, you need meat!

In general, eggs and milk products provide adequate quality protein. A VEGETABLE-
FRUIT- NUT- SEED diet does not provide any taurine, one of the essential amino acids,
and a majority of adults cannot produce taurine!! I have tested the blood of a
couple of dozen vegans and every one of them is deficient in one or more essential
amino acids. In addition, there is NO vitamin B 12 in the vegetable kingdom. I have seen some seriously deficient B 12 in vegans-and that can ruin your brain and nervous system. On the other hand, eggs and milk products provide all essential amino acids and B 12! So, if you choose not to eat any meat, fish, or fowl, you NEED AT LEAST Whey Protein Isolate. The best I have found is BioDex, available at www.selfhealthsystems, 888-242-6105. Two scoops of that daily can supply all the essential proteins you need-and B 12.

If you choose this lacto-vegetarian diet, then be careful of the quality of your
vegetarian components. SUGAR is NOT a vegetable!! Nor is Un-Equal, NON-Splendor,
etc. And trans-fats are not real food. Monosodium Glutamate, MSG, is not a food!
Pop is not a food. Margarine is not a food. Chips and snack foods are not real
food.
Ideal Lacto-Vegetarian Nutrition:
Unlimited veggies, nuts, seeds and fresh fruits
2 scoops daily of Whey Protein Isolate
Include a serving of beans or legumes daily-the least gas producing are chick peas,
green peas, lima beans and roasted peanuts or Natural peanut butter
Brown rice, old fashioned oatmeal, barley, quinoa, buckwheat
Be careful of wheat and avoid virtually ALL store bought bread. Most is plain JUNK
There is No fast food restaurant food worth considering
REAL fast food is a piece of fruit and some pecans, cashews, peanuts, walnuts, etc
You need omega-3's and the best source (other than Alaska salmon) is flax seed or
chia

Now, of course, if you want an even better diet, add 2 organic
Omega-3 enriched eggs daily!

This was copied from his newsletter.
Here is his website: http://www.normshealy.com/

[TheObserver]

Wow, ch-ch-chia is not just a nifty xmas gift but full of omega-3 oil!



The things one can find out here on this forum are so cool!

[chelmostef]

Alpro Soya milk is a very good. Prefect for a vegan and cow friendly.. Also grown in a sustainable way.. As being a Vegan is not just about consumtion its a philosophy..

A tasty blend of soya beans and water with calcium and vitamins.
ingredients:
Water, Hulled soya beans (6.4%), Raw cane sugar, Tri-calcium phosphate, Maltodextrin, Sea salt, Stabiliser: gellan gum, Vitamins: Riboflavin, B12, E and D2, Potassium iodide.
Nutritional values per 100g/100ml
energy value 43Kcal / 180KJ
protein 3.3g
carbohydrate 2.9g
of which
sugars 2.8g
lactose 0g
fat 1.9g
of which
saturated 0.3g
mono unsaturated 0.4g
poly unsaturated 1.2g
of which
omega 6 1.09g
omega 3 0.14g
cholesterol 0mg
fibre 0.6g
sodium 0.05g
calcium 140mg
vitamins
vitamin B2 0.24mg
vitamin B12 0.5µg
vitamin D 0.75µg
vitamin E 1.5mg

http://www.alprosoya.co.uk/soya-prod...tml?no_cache=1

Stef

[Karen]

I don't understand - why do vegans want to consume fake imitations of animal food? If its about the philosophy - that just does not compute for me.

Many sites on the internet now warn about the dangers of soy. I aim for zero soy consumption.

Did the Creator put bottles of B-12 growing on trees?

The animals can be treated kindly. I agree the bulk of commercial operations are an abomination and this must be changed.

EDIT: I also aim to eat 100% real food. Real food has no long list of ingredients on the package. Weston A Price showed how traditional people's when eating from the land and nearby waters where they live have almost 100% perfect health, both MENTAL and physical. They have no jails, no crime - there are amazing studies on how nutrition affects behavior.

[chelmostef]

Originally Posted by Karen

I don't understand - that just does not compute for me.

People ridicule what they dont understand.. Im not saying you are..

Ive never felt better being vegan..

[chelmostef]

Love It or hate it

http://stylishcorpse.files.wordpress...09/marmite.gif

This helps maintain your red blood cells. It is found mainly in animal products like meat, eggs and fish, so vegetarians need to look for alternative supplies of B12, like Marmite.

http://www.marmite.com/love/nutrition/vitamin-b12.html

Ingredients:

Yeast Extract
Salt
Vegetable Extract
Niacin
Thiamin
Spice Extracts
Riboflavin
Folic Acid
Celery Extract
Vitamin B12

Stef

[chelmostef]

Being vegan removes yourself from 99% of food adverts

(added) - and mass marketing

[Karen]

Everyone has a different biochemistry. People have killed or almost killed themselves trying to follow diets that don't fit their genetics. Some people do well as vegan. Most don't.

[Karen]

See previous posts in this thread.

[Karen]

Quote from:
http://westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtsoy.html

Myths & Truths About Soy

NOTE: These Myths & Truths as well as our summary of soy dangers are provided on our Soy Alert! trifold brochure (PDF). You may print this at home or at a copy store for mass distribution. If you wish, you can order quantities of professionally printed two-color trifold brochures for 25 cents each by using the Order Form.

Myth: Use of soy as a food dates back many thousands of years.

Truth: Soy was first used as a food during the late Chou dynasty (1134-246 BC), only after the Chinese learned to ferment soy beans to make foods like tempeh, natto and tamari.

Myth: Asians consume large amounts of soy foods.

Truth: Average consumption of soy foods in Japan and China is 10 grams (about 2 teaspoons) per day. Asians consume soy foods in small amounts as a condiment, and not as a replacement for animal foods.

Myth: Modern soy foods confer the same health benefits as traditionally fermented soy foods.

Truth: Most modern soy foods are not fermented to neutralize toxins in soybeans, and are processed in a way that denatures proteins and increases levels of carcinogens.

Myth: Soy foods provide complete protein.

Truth: Like all legumes, soy beans are deficient in sulfur-containing amino acids methionine and cystine. In addition, modern processing denatures fragile lysine.

Myth: Fermented soy foods can provide vitamin B12 in vegetarian diets.

Truth: The compound that resembles vitamin B12 in soy cannot be used by the human body; in fact, soy foods cause the body to require more B12

Myth: Soy formula is safe for infants.

Truth: Soy foods contain trypsin inhibitors that inhibit protein digestion and affect pancreatic function. In test animals, diets high in trypsin inhibitors led to stunted growth and pancreatic disorders. Soy foods increase the body's requirement for vitamin D, needed for strong bones and normal growth. Phytic acid in soy foods results in reduced bioavailabilty of iron and zinc which are required for the health and development of the brain and nervous system. Soy also lacks cholesterol, likewise essential for the development of the brain and nervous system. Megadoses of phytoestrogens in soy formula have been implicated in the current trend toward increasingly premature sexual development in girls and delayed or retarded sexual development in boys.

Myth: Soy foods can prevent osteoporosis.

Truth: Soy foods can cause deficiencies in calcium and vitamin D, both needed for healthy bones. Calcium from bone broths and vitamin D from seafood, lard and organ meats prevent osteoporosis in Asian countries-not soy foods.

Myth: Modern soy foods protect against many types of cancer.

Truth: A British government report concluded that there is little evidence that soy foods protect against breast cancer or any other forms of cancer. In fact, soy foods may result in an increased risk of cancer.

Myth: Soy foods protect against heart disease.

Truth: In some people, consumption of soy foods will lower cholesterol, but there is no evidence that lowering cholesterol improves one's risk of having heart disease.

Myth: Soy estrogens (isoflavones) are good for you.

Truth: Soy isoflavones are phyto-endocrine disrupters. At dietary levels, they can prevent ovulation and stimulate the growth of cancer cells. Eating as little as 30 grams (about 4 tablespoons) of soy per day can result in hypothyroidism with symptoms of lethargy, constipation, weight gain and fatigue.

Myth: Soy foods are safe and beneficial for women to use in their postmenopausal years.

Truth: Soy foods can stimulate the growth of estrogen-dependent tumors and cause thyroid problems. Low thyroid function is associated with difficulties in menopause.

Myth: Phytoestrogens in soy foods can enhance mental ability.

Truth: A recent study found that women with the highest levels of estrogen in their blood had the lowest levels of cognitive function; In Japanese Americans tofu consumption in mid-life is associated with the occurrence of Alzheimer's disease in later life.

Myth: Soy isoflavones and soy protein isolate have GRAS (Generally Recognized as Safe) status.

Truth: Archer Daniels Midland (ADM) recently withdrew its application to the FDA for GRAS status for soy isoflavones following an outpouring of protest from the scientific community. The FDA never approved GRAS status for soy protein isolate because of concern regarding the presence of toxins and carcinogens in processed soy.

Myth: Soy foods are good for your sex life.

Truth: Numerous animal studies show that soy foods cause infertility in animals. Soy consumption enhances hair growth in middle-aged men, indicating lowered testosterone levels. Japanese housewives feed tofu to their husbands frequently when they want to reduce his virility.

Myth: Soy beans are good for the environment.

Truth: Most soy beans grown in the US are genetically engineered to allow farmers to use large amounts of herbicides.

Myth: Soy beans are good for developing nations.

Truth: In third world countries, soybeans replace traditional crops and transfer the value-added of processing from the local population to multinational corporations.

[Christo888]

Meat comes from plant food (digestion), and plants come from Sunlight. So meat is just another form of the Sun.

But most important... there are only two elements that exist in all creation... Metal and Crystal which can be animated through complex processes;Life.

I bet there will never be an answer to the veggy-meat eater debate... maybe its like telling a gay/lesbian its all in their head... how does anyone know except them?

Maybe when tshtf there won't be any food for anybody and we'll all have to become Suneaters!

[chelmostef]

Theres only one way to settle this!!!

[Christo888]

Ingenious show by Avalon there Chelmostef.

[bushycat]

Well done, Christo (heh heh).
Bottom line, everyone should eat what works for them.
A lot of us on the planet eat what we can and if we can.

Maybe one of these days we'll all be singing "All I need is the air that
I breathe and to love you......"

P.S. My basic one is lacto-ovo-veg, and I try very hard
to be kind to my providers. i.e. free range eggs, organic farm cow milk, etc.
I eat most things socially and comply with requests from my family for
animal meals (one would crawl on glass for rack of lamb).
Aloha,Bushycat

[chelmostef]

It really boils down for me, to the fact that I dont like to see any conscious being being harmed, at all. Its as simple as that..

But I do understand that not everyone is able to do this due to the blood type, ect...

But for me I've never felt better, so I guees im the lucky one..

Does this make me a better person than you?

Probably not.

We all have a paths to walk. And im walking mine.. And you can walk yours were ever that may take you..

But feel free to ask any vegan questions you like as long as its not malicious

Stef

[Karen]

I don't see this as being a fight at all, although others do - and it can really get ramped up. For me it's just information.

There are several pro-vegan threads to take the vegan questions to.

[bushycat]

I don't see it as any kind of fight at all. To me it's just interesting what others do with it. If anyone cares, when I have been on my own, I'm pretty much a Zen monk with diet. There are a lot of things which influence us. And it's also true that it becomes more and more difficult for many to cause harm as awareness expands. It would be pretty difficult to achieve if one expanded to all the physical aspects of one's surroundings. I mean things like our clothing, our furnishings.I would imagine everyone on forum treading pretty lightly, though. Going off on a tangent- sorry.
Karen, your research posted here is very scholarly. And you see it all over the place with different ethnic groups being effected by the "Western diet".
One thing which I've wondered about for a long time is when one follows a vegan diet and needs to supplement B-12, what really is the story re.: man as herbivore? There are multitudes on the planet subsiding on mostly rice diet. Maybe it is a matter of adjustment through generations.

BC

[chelmostef]

Originally Posted by bushycat

It would be pretty difficult to achieve if one expanded to all the physical aspects of one's surroundings. I mean things like our clothing, our furnishings.BC

But not impossible not to buy nescafe for trying to sue ethiopia.. Or not buying from other producers for one reson or the other, im forever reading the labels of things.. But it is an impossible mountain.

Originally Posted by bushycat

Going off on a tangent- sorry.
Karen, your research posted here is very scholarly. And you see it all over the place with different ethnic groups being effected by the "Western diet".
One thing which I've wondered about for a long time is when one follows a vegan diet and needs to supplement B-12, what really is the story re.: man as herbivore? There are multitudes on the planet subsiding on mostly rice diet. Maybe it is a matter of adjustment through generations.

I buy food fortified or suplmemted with what I need or am lacking.. We live in a very unnatural enviroment, well I do anyway.

Stef

[Christo888]

"Probably not" or just flat out 'no' right!

Divine Intelligence posses no ability to judge, however a group mind certainly learns this one way or the other and there certainly are much better paths of using Divine Intelligence better than many of the ways our society has fallen into.

Of course 'someone else' steering the course of Divine Intelligence into a negative state over a long period of time would certainly screw up the thinking of right and wrong (very little of a framework of Harmony and Balance after many generations of deterioration), so turning the degradation downhill and creating a segway back up takes time right? V is a process.

[chelmostef]

Originally Posted by Christo888

"Probably not" or just flat out 'no' right!

Divine Intelligence posses no ability to judge, however a group mind certainly learns this one way or the other and there certainly are much better paths of using Divine Intelligence better than many of the ways our society has fallen into.

Of course 'someone else' steering the course of Divine Intelligence into a negative state over a long period of time would certainly screw up the thinking of right and wrong (very little of a framework of Harmony and Balance after many generations of deterioration), so turning the degradation downhill and creating a segway back up takes time right? V is a process.

Maybe thats is whats happened the balance has been pushed to such extremes we are nearly falling of the edges trying to scrabble up.. Are we all products of that in one way or another..

[Karen]

Originally Posted by chelmostef

It really boils down for me, to the fact that I dont like to see any conscious being being harmed, at all. Its as simple as that.. But I do understand that not everyone is able to do this due to the blood type, ect...

But for me I've never felt better,

People will often feel better and very well for a time. But in the long term most (not all) people will run low on nutrients that can take years to become depleted, such as B12. By the time people start to get symptoms, such as tingling in the extremities, the damage to the nervous system can be permanent.

Quote from:
http://chetday.com/strictvegandiet.htm
Vegan Diet: Recipe for Disaster?
Don't Let Philosophy Become More Important Than What Works

By Dr. Ben Kim http://DrBenKim.com

Please know that I’m not asking you to blindly believe my opinion about a long term, strict vegan diet being unhealthy for most people in the long term. I’m encouraging you to be honest with yourself about how you feel. If you have been a strict vegan for more than a year and have noticed problems like feeling tired a lot, not sleeping well, weak hair and nails, sensitive and decaying teeth, inability to maintain a healthy weight, constant hunger, unexplained irritability, or depression, isn’t it worth your while to at least consider that your diet isn’t working for you? How long are you supposed to attribute these and other health problems to detoxification or a period of adjustment?

If you are a strict vegan eating mainly whole, unprocessed plant foods, and you are experiencing health challenges, you can probably experience dramatically better health just by adding some organic eggs to your diet. Organic eggs from free range birds and organic butter are two foods that will provide you with essential nutrients that are not abundant or present at all in plant foods and may not conflict with your compassion for animals.

In fact, my experiences have led me to believe that many people don’t need to get more than 10 – 25 percent of their total calories from clean, organic animal foods to be at their best. Just in the past year alone, I have worked with several people who were experiencing significant health challenges on a long term, strict vegan diet and were extremely grateful to see their health improve by adding small amounts of clean animal foods to their diets.