Questions for THEWATCHER

[Egg]

What year did you aquire American Citizenship? all operatives be they green or blue are required by Federal Law to be American Citizens able to attain at least a Top Secret clearence - or do you mean that your unit is British and you work along side members of the United States Int/MILINT services?

[blastawaycas]

SPENT HOURS READING THIS THREAD..........................WOW

EGG YOU HAVE A VALID POINT AND MY INSTINCTS TELL ME THAT IF I HAD TO STAND ALONGSIDE SOMEONE IT WOULD BE EGG.

FOR WHAT MY OPINION IS WORTH ONCE PSY OPS WAS MENTIONED MY OWN PERSONAL SIRENS WENT OFF.........AND I AM A NO-ONE, NEVER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE MILITARY OR ITS WORKINGS.

ITS JUST AN OPINION THE WATCHER AND IT IS WITH ALL DUE RESPECT

BUT WE ON THIS FORUM MUST BE ON OUR GUARD AND GUARD WHAT WE MAY KNOW.

MY RESPECTS EGG

[THEWATCHER]

Originally Posted by blastawaycas

SPENT HOURS READING THIS THREAD..........................WOW

EGG YOU HAVE A VALID POINT AND MY INSTINCTS TELL ME THAT IF I HAD TO STAND ALONGSIDE SOMEONE IT WOULD BE EGG.

FOR WHAT MY OPINION IS WORTH ONCE PSY OPS WAS MENTIONED MY OWN PERSONAL SIRENS WENT OFF.........AND I AM A NO-ONE, NEVER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE MILITARY OR ITS WORKINGS.

ITS JUST AN OPINION THE WATCHER AND IT IS WITH ALL DUE RESPECT

BUT WE ON THIS FORUM MUST BE ON OUR GUARD AND GUARD WHAT WE MAY KNOW.

MY RESPECTS EGG

I can fully understand and respect your views, I think I have been very open and forthcoming with data here, some might say too open, but thats me. If I did not know myself I would not initially trust me either LOL (little light hearted interjection LOL). No problem, as stated above, if anyone sees my being here a threat or an intimidation I can just as easily stop now and walk away.

THE WATCHER

[THEWATCHER]

Further delving into areas here could compromise myself and those I'm alligned with, past and present. Therefore all comms will cease for the time being. Apologies for this decision but we have strayed from areas I wished to pursue and have entered others that should remain away from this open arena. Keep well, keep safe, keep searching for answers, they are out there.
I find it highly unusual that even regulars, away from more esoteric fields, would give a perfect stranger such data, let alone those within specific fields. The deeper the black the deeper the darkness, such applies to those involved in these areas, not restricted to open paper trails that openly acknowledged units are tracked by. I will not compromise myself or others simply to satisfy one persons curiosity, you are a stranger and an unknown element to me. Very few here have gained sufficient trust from me to warrant specific data. In areas I have to say i do find this line of enquiry a wee bit odd as I'm sure others before me have not been subjected to such scrutiny re their stated past, I could name several such individuals. But thats life. Think along whatever lines you choose, believe, disbelieve or be somewhere in between. I did not openly bring this up but trying to be civil enough to answer, within reason of course. I have other things to attend to rather than drive in circles here. The forum, the thread is over to you.

THE WATCHER

[THEWATCHER]

Originally Posted by Egg

What year did you aquire American Citizenship? all operatives be they green or blue are required by Federal Law to be American Citizens able to attain at least a Top Secret clearence - or do you mean that your unit is British and you work along side members of the United States Int/MILINT services?

Hmm, nope not US citizen, a strange aside is that I was required to sign not only the OSA but the American secrecy oath in July of 1979. sep units working as one. I will not detail further than that as this is heading away from what was envisioned for this forum. Some areas of my past/present will remain witheld unless I see a direct reasoning as to why I should openly disclose. Perhaps we can get back to business or do we continue to drive in circles?

THE WATCHER

[Egg]

Oh your not driving in circles at all - your travelling to my destination. Two seperate journies with two seperate destinations.

Now - firstly 1997.

Let me refresh your memory and inform other readers. All peoples employed by Her Majesties Government in any capability that pertained to Army Intelligence, Special Forces, Covert Warfare cadres, Secret Intelligence and Secret Service and any ancillary units that touched or were employed directly or indirectly - and yes even the cleaners and security men at the gates and inside the complexes - had to sign a second, more detailed confidentiality paper which in detail spelt out the penalties and punishments for disclosure of information that related to their employment.

This included all contractors - surveillance operatives, psychological warfare operatives, technical officers, drafted in 'secondment' staff from overseas, every body who recieved a role within the arena was made to sign this document.

In short, 1997 would of been the year you were called in to your supervisor and made, in front of witnesses to sign this document. You would of kept a copy, and they would of taken the other two.

Now, for me to believe you, I would like to see your copy of that said document that would prove to me without a shadow of a doubt that you Mr King are telling the absolute truth about your special access and employment.

(You can black out the Commanding Officers / Unit Commanders name, as well as the second witness and your Team Supervisors names. Please leave yours visible).

Or, as I said earlier in the thread, produce your little red book or cadre training certificate. The former soldiers and Royal Marines here on Avalon have done it so I can trust them in our email correspondance - please could you do so yourself so that I can lay this nagging doubt I have in my head about the reality of the information in this thread.

In short, I am amazed that this slipped your memory as it was truely a very stark warning you recieved in the five minutes before you signed this document, very bleak indeed from what I have been told by reliable, caste iron sources within the secretive world of military special warfare.

[Deb]

Originally Posted by Egg

What year did you aquire American Citizenship? all operatives be they green or blue are required by Federal Law to be American Citizens able to attain at least a Top Secret clearence - or do you mean that your unit is British and you work along side members of the United States Int/MILINT services?

ROLF! are you serious! by what law are you talking about! lol! What do you think?

[Kari Lynn]

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[blastawaycas]

firstly Kari Lynn I must correct you in that in no way were you ridiculed by egg or myself, that was not our intention, i am making it sound like we are working together i assure you i am not .......... i do not know who egg is whether male or female Egg and many like him/her have given some fantastic valuable information over time...........information i might add that has put them in direct danger for there livelyhood/lives and family.

i do not bring anything to this forum other than comments or stories, i have shown my respect to those putting there jobs/lives on the line by putting my name on the forum as i stated there is only one David Caster Middlesbrough
there thats me red tagged, because believe you me you are on a hit list coming onto this forum..........THEWATCHER took a lot of people into his confidence and recieved a lot of personal mail from members now if he is agovernment plant........then thats all them red tagged, and if true Egg who i strongly suggest you try follow some of his posts has just bust him wide open, and possibly stoppedwhat could have been the destruction of Avalon.

there is no negativity here no backstabbing and no evil, surely you did not only go onto the watchers thread Avalon has much much more to offer than that.........with regards Egg...........i don't know him/her but he/she is the mutts nuts...........follow some of his/her posts kindest regards dave caster

[Kari Lynn]

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[Kari Lynn]

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Originally Posted by Kari Lynn

Hi Kathleen

I will just quote the agent/Major that was using Barry's ID.
I know this person, have written to him. He is not Barry. But cared for the security of Barry's family and Barry himself while he lay in the hospital recouperating from almost being beaten to death by the NSA.
This is why Barry would hesitate posting any longer. Why should he subject himself to almost death, if no one believes him.

Hi Kari Lynn

I haven't been following this thread but I do know that there have been over 1,000 posts and 47,000 views of it. That can hardly be equated with no-one listening. Barry King also has his fair share of supporters on this thread so there are people who believe him. However, if he was expecting everyone to believe him then it was inevitable he'd be disappointed.

Surely any whistleblower or witness has to accept that they are not going to be universally believed, and that they will be challenged on their story by some of those who hear it. They also need to accept that emotions can run high on subjects like this and that they may open themselves up to criticism if there are certain questions they cannot or will not answer.

For those hearing whistleblowers' stories it is essential that they critically evaluate them and ask whatever questions seem pertinent. Taking any of these stories at face value is pointless because of all the disinfo that has been and is still being spread around. I think it is also worth remembering that not all those who are spreading disinfo know that they are doing it- they genuinely believe what they are saying. As Richard Hoagland has said, "the lie is different on every level."

I don't know enough about Mr King and his testimony to have an opinion one way or the other. I'm simply stating what I consider universal principles in this subject area.

[blastawaycas]

here here STEVIE G nice post and well said sir

it would be a shame to lose the watcher from this site as it is up to the individual to evaluate what is being written

the watcher would respect and an unreserved appology should he wish to supply the information egg was hinting at.

but i am afraid i fear not

which as i stated is a double shame

for those dedicated supporters and who placed there confidence in him
and for Avalon itself

my respect and best wishes dave caster

[THEWATCHER]

I am remaining, watching, from the sidelines, I shall continue to idle for the time being. I do not expect anyone to simply believe anything I have disclosed over the past 15 years. Never hinted that I expected to be believed by everyone so where did that come from?. I simply refuse to have certain joe public types demand data that are within areas that are of no business to anyone here. It is surprising that Egg has a knowledge database exceeding the regular joe public types but thats his business. BUT constant demanding specific data which I feel is beyond what I am allowed to provide is becoming a nuisance value here. I would appreciate the careful thinking before certain data is posted here by others re my past. I do not take kindly to certain events being openly displayed here and will contact the individuals concerned in order to delete that data. It is not for open discussion. IF I felt it were necessary I would provide my data, as demanded by Egg, NOT to the indians but ONLY to the chiefs. I.E., Bill and Kerry, but only under specific conditions. Interview and evaluation conditions set within parameters I would set out. Provided of course I was given clearance to do such a thing. Then and ONLY then would that data be provided. I hope I have made myself clear.
I also take offense at the assumption and accusation that I have collected names and addresses of members for undesirable purposes. People from all over the World have contacted me since the early 90's once my disclosures began. Still friends with many of them. They are not tagged, redlisted or anything insidious as stated by some paranoid thinkers here. Enough is surely enough. This can go one of two ways, a continuation or an abrupt ending. Those whom feel a threat from me should perhaps refrain from entering this thread, why should I pack up and deny others assistance? Why should I not be allowed to resume my disclosures because one or two feel intimidated? Today I am in a reasonable mood so reasonable attitude comes forth.


THE WATCHER

[Egg]

Originally Posted by THEWATCHER

They are not tagged, redlisted or anything insidious as stated by some paranoid thinkers here. Enough is surely enough. This can go one of two ways, a continuation or an abrupt ending. Those whom feel a threat from me should perhaps refrain from entering this thread, why should I pack up and deny others assistance? Why should I not be allowed to resume my disclosures because one or two feel intimidated? Today I am in a reasonable mood so reasonable attitude comes forth.


THE WATCHER

Yet you insist your life is in danger if you disclose that you have in fact served a single day in a unit under Her Majesties Armed Forces direction? your little red book is not classified Barry - SAS / SBS MILINT all get a little red book with their joining date and courses attended. All serving members do from all arms at the end of their service. (You would of got one even if you just did basic training and then INT cadre at Chicksands). Its all there in black and white. I should know, as a former UK Army SF trooper here on Avalon scanned his, deleted a few bits out that are sensitive and sent it to me - no harm no foul. Another former soldier scanned his cadre certificate and sent it to me. Both are now in my highly trusted list because I know they are not bull shipping about their past.

No Chiefs bull ship, no Indian Cwap, direct comms and a email discussion off board is taking place about some rather interesting subjects as a result.

Oh and as for being intimidated by you? you couldn't be further from the truth. I just decided to show people what professional psyops people like yourself are capable of, and how your people work. In short, I showed light into a murky world where people are employed as professional liars or truth twisters shall we say to be less harsh.

Oh and i'll enter this thread every single time I want to and raise what ever points I want to, and add links to what ever I want.

Avalons not a little psyops unit playground - we all pay, and can all add what we want, when we want.

[blastawaycas]

'KIN EL YOUR ON FULL BEAM EGG

[THEWATCHER]

Originally Posted by Kari Lynn

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Kari, I would appreciate the deletion of this post, the info here is not for public consumption, thanks

Regards

THE WATCHER

[Myplanet2]

The need and desire to be perceived in some particular way is simply ego-borne. It has nothing really to do with what one is or what one does. Those are what matter, not the careful "management" of ones image. Keeping it real speeds ones progress.

(helpful intent, in case it's not clear)

[Egg]

4. Do you have to be a U.S. Citizen to apply?

Yes. Only U.S. Citizens are eligible for NSA employment.

http://www.nsa.gov/careers/faqs/index.shtml#atNSA_4

Do I need to be a US citizen to work for the Central Intelligence Agency?

Yes, you must be a citizen of the United States when you apply to work for the Central Intelligence Agency. The CIA does not assist individuals in applying for US citizenship.

https://www.cia.gov/careers/faq/index.html#gr1

The applicant’s character, conduct, and discretion must be above reproach and he/she must have unquestioned loyalty to the U.S.

The applicant must be a U.S. citizen.

http://www.dia.mil/employment/Policies/index.html

Employment
The NRO is an Intelligence Community agency which employs personnel from within the Department of Defense and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). As such, the NRO does not directly hire employees, rather, they are assigned by their respective agencies. Should you be interested in seeking employment with these agencies, please contact the following:


Department of Defense
Washington Area Service Center
1900 E. Street NW
Washington, DC 20520
(202) 606-2700

That just clears up my question about the Watchers citizen status. The links show that it is policy that your needing to to be an American Citizen to be directly employed by any US 'Uber' Agency. Not a sole gets in as a employee without being a Citizen. Oh and One of those above flies the BBD, but, your guess is as good as mine.

Oh and the link.

http://www.nro.gov/contact.html

Question is then, who was thewatcher working for as a 'security guard' at this uber elite base then? UK military? then he better front up his little red book. lol.

[Orion11]

Damn!! you people are still giving him $h!t????

all this time...

He has been answering every question thrown out there, that he possibly can...

I mean.. we all knew that eventually.. more $h!t talkers would jump back in...
its what they do... ( run out of things to say and talk $h!t about, til they find more things to talk **** about).

Do any of you, who are really tossing **** out here... really know???

here , ill answer for you... NO, you do not.

We've been through this how many times already....... but i suppose we can do it again....

for you folks who are so paranoid.. and think you are actually important enough to have a secret agent watch you and secretly get your information.....

Get
Over
Your
Selves.

Seriously.

There are a few people in here, tossing turds in Mr.Kings direction..
that i am surprised by. (i thought you were above that), ohh well.

I gave Barry ( or Barrys agent) lol.. My personal info a long time ago....
I am no Einstien, but Im no dumba$$ either....
One thing I have learned over the years.. is to trust my intuition.. as it always proves to me that it knows better then "i" do.

SO, even IF.. Mr.King is a "secret agent" trying to gather up peoples info....
I am already sure.... that whatever agenda (would be) behind it.... Would not get "them" very far. lol

in all honesty... i am not in the least bit worried about giving my info to Mr.King...
( and for more honesty, I wouldnt even care if he kept it in his computer!!!) haha

There is sooooo much more to be focusing on.. than the little stories each ones mind likes to tell them.

and THEN.... to make matters worse..... some of you people in here,
throwing negativity to Mr.King.. are some of the same ones who are always preaching Love and Positivity!!!!! Can i get a "wtf "? lol

in a nutshell, what im saying is...
I do not feel that Mr.King has any ill intentions towards good people,
as i feel, quite strongly, that he is a good person himself.

also...... Just for the paranoids entertainment...

So what if Barry was a "secret agent" trying to gather folks info?....

Are there really some people, still simple enough.. to think that everything about them hasnt already been collected,
by powers much more sinister?

also.... for more of the paranoid folks entertainment....
lets just say for a minute......
that this paranoia did actually hold some merit...... and that a few folks ( mr.King and friends), sitting somewhere in the UK, were gathering our info......

well, if they are good intel gatherers... they will soon find out...
that there are some.... who you can gather all the info you want on,
But still cannot touch.

and hes already got my info..... so, if he and his so called 'secret agents' have done their jobs properly......
they will have already learned....... that they do not want to come here....
and if they have done their jobs properly in finding out all they can about me and mine..... i have nothing to worry about. lol

All you people are doing with your paranoid guesses and delusions..
is creating more negativity.. all around. ( niice one)

If you DO know the truth, REALLY know the truth,
come on out and tell us,
but, if all you have are silly accusations that you truly have no clue as to their truths..... You shouldnt come out and accuse people of things.
especially when they have done nothing but be nice and try to help those who seek some answers.

I think Mr. King, has been exceptionally nice.... even to those who are not so kind.. ( much more so than i could be, if it were me being falsely accused).

and dont forget.... just because you are paranoid... does not mean that they are not out to get you. run!!! lol

thanks for sticking around Barry. (and p.s... was that your buddies in the dark green chopper flying over my house the other day?)


( if theres any of my info that your "little red book" does not yet contain, regarding myself, let me know, and ill be sure to give you whatever else is needed for my 'profile" k?) lol


with all of the BS in this world today... this is the least of petty a$$ things ppl need to be worried and paranoid about. Seriously man.

Thanks again man, Love n Bless
Andy

[Orion11]

i should also add....

that i would LOVE for some secret agent to knock on my door and state that they had some "business" with me.. lol

It would only put what ive known, that is in concrete..
into granite. lol

So, secret agents.. come knock on my door, please.
Ill put the tea on.

[Orion11]

Blastawaycas: YOU NEED A GOOD MEMORY TO BE A GOOD LIAR

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT AND MY KINDEST REGARDS

uhh.... yeah... calling someone a LIAR is always done with respect and kindest regards. right?

lame.

[Egg]

Orion, if you knew jack squat about anything, you would know that the Watchers 'little red book' is about him, and him alone. It is his personal file, his personal book of what he has accomplished inside Her Majesties Armed Forces.

He would of been presented it when he left gainful employment and became a contractor.

[Kari Lynn]

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[Egg]

Originally Posted by Kari Lynn

Wow, now who's the one that's really gathering information about people here Egg? What are you doing with all that information?
Why do you feel you need to be privy to a person's private information, photo's and documents?

Comprehension skills - I learnt them when I was in Kindergarten - I suggest you try learning a set for yourself.

I want the watcher to front up to the Moderators that he has been in gainful HM Forces employment. Then I will say 'fair play' and leave it at that - he provides the proof, I'll provide the apology.

It shouldn't be too hard for him - I'll even get him the address for a re-print if he has 'lost' his first one.

he is making big claims, so he has to front up big proof.